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[elleng]

1. so typical

[AzDar]

2. ...

[JonLeibowitz]

3. I don't even know why I am surprised by this anymore. It seems routine.

By the way, do you have a link?

[JonLeibowitz]

9. The NRDC declaration you are quoting. I cannot find it on their FB page

[JonLeibowitz]

17. Thanks.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Why is it that I am not surprised?

[think]

5. Thank you for posting. /nt

[felix_numinous]

6. K&R for the truth

[GreatGazoo]

7. they did the same thing with Obama and various others

thanks for confirmation

[ciaobaby]

11. Sounds vaguely familiar....

Oh i know - was thinking about the Congressional Black Caucus - same thing happened - the CBC PAC and all those well connected lobbyists supported Hillary. Headlines were frequently misleading - CBC supports Hillary - neatly leaving off the PAC part. Ahhhh Hillary Hillary........

[JonLeibowitz]

18. If we're upset about this shameful endorsement, you know what the talking point will be?

Don't you support the environment!?!?!?! Stand with environmental groups!

[JonLeibowitz]

28. That just makes the endorsement better! There will be frequent communication!

Excellent!

[geek tragedy]

12. you forgot to include the link to the rightwing website where you got these descriptions.

here's the link you used (but forgot to include)

https://capitalresearch.org/2014/12/the-bauman-family-foundation-funding-community-organizers-for-a-progressive-paradise/

I like how they describe Catalist has funding "radical" groups.

I guess in Bernieworld these things are considered BAD BAD BAD:

--George Soros
-- liberal and pro-Democratic Party groups
--Catalist—arguably the Left’s most powerful electoral weapon
--nonpartisan” radical groups and every would-be Democrat officeholder who can afford it, including President Obama
--Patricia Bauman also serves as co-chair of the Brennan Center for Justice, which leads the Left’s assault on voter ID laws (see Organization Trends, April 2014). She is a vice chair of the Natural Resources Defense Council, and was a founding donor and advisory council member of J Street, which describes itself as “the political arm of the pro-Israel, pro-peace movement.” J Street has featured Obama administration speakers like White House aide Valerie Jarrett and Vice President Joe Biden at its meetings, reports DiscoverTheNetworks, and has criticized Israeli efforts to topple the terrorist group Hamas, because it “has been the government, law and order, and service provider since it won the [Palestinian] elections in January 2006.”

[geek tragedy]

15. Patricia Bauman sounds awesome

Patricia Bauman has degrees from Radcliffe and Georgetown University’s law school and is an especially powerful and influential leader of the Left. Her personal political giving has gone to such left-wing politicians as Sherrod Brown, Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean, John Edwards, Russ Feingold, Al Gore, Kweisi Mfume, and Barack Obama.

She is vice chairman of the Democracy Alliance, a secretive funding group founded by George Soros that has steered at least $500 million into liberal and pro-Democratic Party groups (see Foundation Watch, November 2014). She co-chairs the board of Catalist—arguably the Left’s most powerful electoral weapon—with the AFL-CIO’s political director, Michael Podhorzer. The for-profit (and therefore non-disclosing) Catalist is a state-of-the-art data firm that services both “nonpartisan” radical groups and every would-be Democrat officeholder who can afford it, including President Obama. It was founded by President Clinton’s most notorious aide, Harold Ickes (see Organization Trends, November 2012).

Patricia Bauman also serves as co-chair of the Brennan Center for Justice, which leads the Left’s assault on voter ID laws (see Organization Trends, April 2014). She is a vice chair of the Natural Resources Defense Council, and was a founding donor and advisory council member of J Street, which describes itself as “the political arm of the pro-Israel, pro-peace movement.” J Street has featured Obama administration speakers like White House aide Valerie Jarrett and Vice President Joe Biden at its meetings, reports DiscoverTheNetworks, and has criticized Israeli efforts to topple the terrorist group Hamas, because it “has been the government, law and order, and service provider since it won the [Palestinian] elections in January 2006.”

[geek tragedy]

23. Because it isn't a conflict of interest.

People who donate to liberal causes also donate to liberal politicians.

[Armstead]

26. People who donate to liberal organizations should have a choice though

If someone really supports the mission of the Defense Council, but does not support Clinton, should not be placed in that position of wondering whether their money is going to scuttle one candidate over their own preferred candidate in a primary.

[geek tragedy]

30. They are endorsing her versus Trump, not versus the second place finisher in the primary.

They are not 'scuttling' Sanders--he's already toast. Everyone outside the Bernie Bubble knows it.

She's the nominee, she's the one running against Trump, so they're throwing their weight behind her.

[Armstead]

33. Then they should wait til the damn primaries are over

They are not in the kingmaking (or queenmaking) business -- at least they shouldn't be.

There are still votes to be cast and counted, no matter who wins. Democracy is a process.

A few weeks won't make any difference. There's many months where Clinton and Trump can argue over the personal attacks that will doubtless characterize the General election.

[geek tragedy]

35. the message being sent is that it's time to start taking Trump seriously as a threat.

Primaries are effectively over. They're officially over in one week.

[azurnoir]

58. No they are officially over at the convention

[geek tragedy]

59. just like the president isn't officially elected until the electoral college casts their votes nt

[azurnoir]

60. That's right

[geek tragedy]

61. IIRC Romney gave his concession speech before that happened nt

[azurnoir]

62. exactly when did Romney give his concession speech Date and time please

[geek tragedy]

64. after the votes from all 50 states were in. nt

[azurnoir]

67. He didn't concede until Obama had more than electoral collage votes to win

Hillary does not nor is she likely to have the pledged delegates to secure the nomination and the super do not count until the convention

[geek tragedy]

69. but he conceded before the electoral college met nt

[azurnoir]

65. I'll help here's a vid of his speech notice the electorial collage vote total on screen-Obama 303

[geek tragedy]

66. the electoral college met and voted in December. nt

[azurnoir]

68. But the votes were decided in November

[geek tragedy]

70. the states will all be decided by June 8 nt

[azurnoir]

72. and Hillary is unlikely to have the pledged delegates needed to win the supers do not come into play

until the convention

[geek tragedy]

73. so what? Obama clinched with superdelegates months before the

convention.

Your argument has zero traction outside the Bernieverse.

The candidate who loses the voting is not the nominee. The candidate that wins the voting is the nominee.

Not any more complicated than that.

[azurnoir]

74. so it's because "we say so" good luck with that

[geek tragedy]

75. no, it's because the voters said so.

If a bunch of dead enders want to deny reality, the rest of us won't care.

[azurnoir]

76. what part of not all the voters have spoken and when they the results are likely to be..............

inconclusive

[geek tragedy]

78. as of June 14 they will all have spoken.

As of that time, Hillary Clinton will have decisive majorities of all delegates, and all categories of delegates.

She will be the winner, and the only question is whether Sanders will show dignity and class in respecting the will of the voters.

The results will not be 'inconclusive.' Sanders will likely trail by close to 1000 delegates, including over 300 pledged delegates.

This was never an issue before Weaver and Sanders started lying to their supporters about how primary contests are decided.

Quite honestly, people who want to disenfranchise a majority of Democratic primary voters--after the voting is done--are authoritarians and not progressives.

[azurnoir]

79. nothing is decided until the convention

[geek tragedy]

81. just like the president isn't decided until the electoral college

meets in December.

the winner of the primary voting is the nominee. Whether Sanders or his hardcore supporters accept that reality is completely and utterly irrelevant to it being the case.

[azurnoir]

82. lo go with that if it was any other way Romney would not have conceded

[geek tragedy]

84. Sanders will have been defeated this time next week.

Up to him how he handles that reality.

he will not be the nominee, and there is nothing he can do to not only be the nominee, but also even get anyone outside the Bernie Bubble to pretend he has a chance to be the nominee

The superdelegates and party establishment--the ones Sanders is supposedly going to persuade into stealing the nomination from the voters--will be planning Clinton's coronation ceremony instead.

[Armstead]

25. She (they) should have stayed the hell out of the primary

Another case of partisan political alliances (cronyism) getting in the way of a non-profit's mission.

That woman wants to donate money up the waxzoo for Clinton personally that's certainly her right.

But she should not be using the organization (many of whom's members I'm sure support Sanders) to help slam through a political crony.

[geek tragedy]

29. This is about the general election, not the primary.

The expiration date for the primary--and the Sanders campaign--is some time between June 7 and June 14.

[Armstead]

34. Last I looked it is May 31

[geek tragedy]

36. yes, if one is obsessed with formalities at the expense of substance nt

[Armstead]

41. I am concerned with formalities. You should be too.

Suppose the GOP decides to dispense with some formalities during the general election. Remember 2000? Disregarding the formalities was what the GOP did, and look at the result.

That's the basis of democratic systems. It's a pain in the ass sometimes, but that's also the basis of accountability and prevention of power grabs.

[geek tragedy]

45. no rules of any kind are being broken, it's just some sensibilties that are being offended

there will be some dead enders still claiming on June 8, and June 15 that the primary isn't over, etc etc.

what they should take away from this is that those who are serious about stopping Donald Trump are done messing around with distractions

[geek tragedy]

96. Again, no rules were broken and no one's rights were violated.

The very worst thing that happened is that some Sanders supporters were offended.

[cui bono]

95. What you call formalities we call democracy.

You should learn what that is considering you (presumably) live here. But then you're the type of person who pretends to be a certain someone's supporter in order to try to sabotage their candidacy in a democratic election so you probably know what democracy is and actually don't care for it much.

.

[ljm2002]

13. So the NRDC does not make political endorsements...

...but they do keep a "NRDC Action Fund"? Just goes to show how hard it is to keep up with things these days, and I have no doubt that is by design. It sounds to me like it is a way to keep their hands clean while... still being able to make political endorsements. Just not directly. Plausible deniability? Not really, not to me anyway.

I've always liked the NRDC, used to work with someone who was on their board. I am actually pretty disappointed that their Action Fund would endorse someone who loves fracking and the XL Pipeline. Oh well.

[YouDig]

19. That's the way it works. The NRDC itself doesn't make endorsements, the PAC, which

is the politically active wing does. Same way with Planned Parenthood.

It's a technicality which for practical purposes makes no difference. It's a great endorsement to have.

[NCTraveler]

20. My kind of lobbyist. Sweet. nt.

[geek tragedy]

22. Patricia Bauman sounds like a kick-ass machine

Patricia Bauman has degrees from Radcliffe and Georgetown University’s law school and is an especially powerful and influential leader of the Left. Her personal political giving has gone to such left-wing politicians as Sherrod Brown, Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean, John Edwards, Russ Feingold, Al Gore, Kweisi Mfume, and Barack Obama.

She is vice chairman of the Democracy Alliance, a secretive funding group founded by George Soros that has steered at least $500 million into liberal and pro-Democratic Party groups (see Foundation Watch, November 2014). She co-chairs the board of Catalist—arguably the Left’s most powerful electoral weapon—with the AFL-CIO’s political director, Michael Podhorzer. The for-profit (and therefore non-disclosing) Catalist is a state-of-the-art data firm that services both “nonpartisan” radical groups and every would-be Democrat officeholder who can afford it, including President Obama. It was founded by President Clinton’s most notorious aide, Harold Ickes (see Organization Trends, November 2012).

Patricia Bauman also serves as co-chair of the Brennan Center for Justice, which leads the Left’s assault on voter ID laws (see Organization Trends, April 2014). She is a vice chair of the Natural Resources Defense Council, and was a founding donor and advisory council member of J Street, which describes itself as “the political arm of the pro-Israel, pro-peace movement.” J Street has featured Obama administration speakers like White House aide Valerie Jarrett and Vice President Joe Biden at its meetings, reports DiscoverTheNetworks, and has criticized Israeli efforts to topple the terrorist group Hamas, because it “has been the government, law and order, and service provider since it won the [Palestinian] elections in January 2006.”

[Hoyt]

27. Almost every PAC has its strings pulled by the mother organization.

[Hoyt]

56. Appointment of overlapping boards, etc., pretty much assures PAC will do what momma

wants. Ask anyone who runs a PAC from right wing organizations like the NRA to this group.

[amborin]

31. was really shocking; we sent this email:

[e-mail]

My husband and I are saddened that you endorsed
Hillary Clinton for Dem Pres Nominee today.

She promotes fracking on a worldwide basis,
was originally for KeystoneXL (but changed
her position on the campaign trail as she often
is wont to do), etc.

Only Bernie Sanders is serious about the environment
and climate change.

We have donated to NRDC in the past but we
will never donate again.

[amborin]

77. i also called the santa monica office and SF office (and got the same lady twice)

she sounded chagrined herself at the endorsement, and said NRDC proper had nothing to do
with it, it was the Action division

[PJMcK]

32. Two points to consider

First, this story was not put out to the public by Secretary Clinton's campaign. I've seen it on various news sites across the political spectrum. To blame her for the news seems a bit of a stretch.

Second, the NRDC Action Fund, as noted above, is affiliated with the NRDC. This is from their webpage:

"About the NRDC Action Fund

(snip)

"Please note: the NRDC Action Fund is an affiliated but separate organization from the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC). As a 501(c)(4) nonprofit organization, the NRDC Action Fund engages in various advocacy and political activities for which the Natural Resources Defense Council, a 501(c)(3) organization, faces certain legal limitations or restrictions. News and information released by the NRDC Action Fund therefore needs to be identified as from the NRDC Action Fund."

There are obviously tax and other legal reasons that the NRDC has a PAC. As you're aware, many organization have affiliated PACs. As with those groups, it seems unlikely that the management of the NRDC is unaware and uninvolved with their PAC.

While it's understandable that you're disappointed that they didn't endorse your candidate, the skulduggery you've interpreted appear unfounded. After all, had they endorsed Senator Sanders, how would you have reacted?

[Armstead]

37. I don't like any organization picking sides in primaries -- at least not ones....

that don't have the clear consensus of its members through verified processes, and in which the margin is not absolutely overwhelming.

[PJMcK]

43. That's a very good point

If the NRDC had polled its members regarding the offer of an endorsement, that would be an excellent policy, Armstead.

Many newspapers will endorse candidates from both parties during their primary processes but then will choose one side in the General Election. They are, of course, editorializing whereas a group such as the NRDC or Planned Parenthood are supported, in part, by their members and should therefore represent their members collective viewpoint.

[LanternWaste]

38. That's a relief. Posters were ready to throw them under the bus as with Planned Parenthood.

That's a relief. Posters were ready to throw them under the bus as with Planned Parenthood, labor unions, John Lewis, Jerry Brown, the NEA (reactions to that particular endorsement was like reading a Free Republic editorial on education) on little more than a story too troubling for them to research themselves.

Visceral reactions are a fav of bias, but so very troubling to a rational mind.

So I'm happy no dogmatic hacks are forced to throw the NRDC under the bus as well.

[anotherproletariat]

39. Wow! Hillary was endorsed by the NRDC! That's great...going to put it on my Facebook page! nt

[me b zola]

40. K&R

[amborin]

42. great research! so hillary campaign endorses hillary, conflict of interest & disgusting

[Agschmid]

46. Democrat happens to work with another Democrat... "Disgusting".

[amborin]

80. elites of and for the elites, and you are ok with that

[Agschmid]

86. You are wrong here.

[Joob]

44. I will like to point out I called this but lacked complete research TY

I lacked sleep

[Tarc]

50. Back in the day, we'd call that a "distinction without a difference"

Yet another feather that did not go into Bernie's cap, so his fans have to find some way to save face...

[riversedge]

71. We have gone through this before. Days of ..blah blah-the union did not

not endorse Hillary, only the PAC did. dah. so boring.

[nc4bo]

51. There's ALWAYS a fat, juicy worm in those Clinton, Inc. apples.

That's why it's smart to not bite blindly.

[Orangepeel]

53. Nonprofits only make endorsements through their PACS

That's how they stay nonprofits.

[auntpurl]

98. Well, exactly.

That is how they DO endorsements. This is completely normal procedure.

So many things have happened this primary season that some Bernie supporters regard as brand new and deliberately detrimental to their candidate, while they have been running this way for years or decades. It's like it's a lot of people's first election.

[MattP]

54. Somebody on facebook told me it wasn't a endorsment

[mhatrw]

63. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ endorses $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

news at 11

[Beacool]

85. Color me as not giving a flying fig.

[azurnoir]

87. Thanks for posting this

[TwilightZone]

88. The NRDC disagrees with you.

"NRDC is also the parent organization of the NRDC Action Fund"

https://www.nrdc.org/about

[EndElectoral]

89. Wow...unbelievable.

[brooklynite]

90. Of course, it would be ILLEGAL for NRDC to make an endorsement...

[Recursion]

91. Sigh. Every single NGO and non-profit has a PAC to endorse candidates, because the NGO itself can't

DU's ignorance of how things actually work never fails to impress me.

[Number23]

92. Between this OP and the ones from people MYSTIFIED that Brown endorsed Hillary after she

campaigned for him when he was running for governor, I think that whole "liberals are smarter" thing can safely be put back under the bed where it belongs.

[PufPuf23]

93. Thank you. eom

[cui bono]

94. You mean Hillary supporters posted an OP on DU that isn't true?

Well that is what they do.

.

[TwilightZone]

97. No, the OP just has no clue why organizations have affiliated PACs

[JEB]

99. If it looks like, smells like and walks like corruption,

it probably is.

[Howler]

100. Whew!

They better work hard to get the word out. This election has very very defined lines. It could and already has hurt them in at let half the voters minds.