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elleng

(130,825 posts)
Tue May 31, 2016, 03:46 PM May 2016

How to Explain the Sanders Campaign to an Idiot, Paul Krugman or a Clintonite in 8 Sentences

'Sentence #1: If a Democratic primary candidate can win 59 percent of the Party’s “pledged” (primary- and caucus-won) delegates or more, the primary is decided by pledged delegates; if a Democratic primary candidate fails to meet that threshold, they are considered by DNC electoral processes to be a weak front-runner and the nomination is finally decided, instead, by “superdelegates” — who can express support for a candidate at any time, but cannot commit themselves to anyone (i.e., cast a binding vote for any candidate) until the Democratic National Convention in July; superdelegates are unlike pledged delegates in this regard because, while pledged delegates also do not vote until the Party’s convention, they cannot change their votes from what their state’s voting results pledged them to be — though it has been argued by some that in fact they can change their votes at the Convention, with this argument most recently having been advanced by Hillary Rodham Clinton in 2008.'>>>

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/how-to-explain-the-sanders_b_10206250.html

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How to Explain the Sanders Campaign to an Idiot, Paul Krugman or a Clintonite in 8 Sentences (Original Post) elleng May 2016 OP
But, we know how they will vote unless Berners can come up with some BS on Clinton by the convention Hoyt May 2016 #1
Hillary Clinton broke the rules: Our view elleng May 2016 #10
Seth Abramson certainly is an expert on idiocy--Clinton is a vastly stronger frontrunner than Obama geek tragedy May 2016 #2
I know. Remember the Federal investigation hanging over his head in 2008? Matt_in_STL May 2016 #3
16 more days to pray to the Indictment Fairy, use them well nt geek tragedy May 2016 #6
I know if the indictment fairy spreads enough fairy dust all over maybe magic will happen and Seeinghope May 2016 #18
Oh, I don't think she'll be indicted Matt_in_STL May 2016 #20
16 more days of listening to you people bleat about the number of days.. frylock May 2016 #21
Referring to the FBI criminal investigation of Hillary's use of morningfog May 2016 #30
The manner of the discussion will be factual, not politically weaponized geek tragedy May 2016 #31
The fact is until all the facts are publicly known, she is a liability to the party. morningfog May 2016 #33
Fact is she won, in 16 days this won't be a place for dead enders to try to relitigate the primary geek tragedy May 2016 #34
Her pollinc vs Trump is terrible Baaadger May 2016 #15
lol, welcome to DU. geek tragedy May 2016 #16
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #25
Good to have you here. 840high May 2016 #26
Epic fail! At least ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #4
You can make a sentence run for months with enough semicolons! randome May 2016 #8
What's even worse is that this guy evidently ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #14
First it was Bernie Math and now they bring us Bernie Lit! ContinentalOp May 2016 #13
You do realize... quickesst May 2016 #5
The media and the Democratic party have pretended he doesn't exist for the last year AgingAmerican May 2016 #7
He isn't anywhere near a virtual tie. mythology May 2016 #11
She has not cinched the nomination and the primaries are almost over AgingAmerican May 2016 #12
I would hardly call it... quickesst May 2016 #19
"Third base." randome May 2016 #22
Seth Abramson, hoping to convince idiots with his idiotic reasoning. YouDig May 2016 #9
Paul Krugman is the youngest recipient of the John Bates Clark Medal and a Nobel Prize winner... DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #17
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #35
Win the John Bates Clark Medal and a Nobel Prize and get back to me, okay? DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #36
Nice but I can explain the Sanders campaign in one word... jcgoldie May 2016 #23
Well, if anyone knows what it takes to be an idiot, it's Abramson. Beacool May 2016 #24
In that case, Obama was an even weaker frontrunner in 2008, as he was further from 59%. Garrett78 May 2016 #27
How to explain punctuation to a Sanders supporter Number23 May 2016 #28
to an Idiot, Paul Krugman or a Clintonite in 8 Sentences elleng May 2016 #29
An idiot OR Krugman or a Clintonite. Yeah, I got that. Number23 May 2016 #32
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
1. But, we know how they will vote unless Berners can come up with some BS on Clinton by the convention
Tue May 31, 2016, 03:49 PM
May 2016

I doubt they will, but they'll try to the detriment of the Party. And even then, I bet the delegates go for a candidate with a chance to win.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
2. Seth Abramson certainly is an expert on idiocy--Clinton is a vastly stronger frontrunner than Obama
Tue May 31, 2016, 03:50 PM
May 2016

was in 2008

 

Seeinghope

(786 posts)
18. I know if the indictment fairy spreads enough fairy dust all over maybe magic will happen and
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:54 PM
May 2016

All of the proof will go poof!

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
20. Oh, I don't think she'll be indicted
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:41 PM
May 2016

But let's not pretend she is clean and hasn't lied repeatedly. But hey, it runs in the family.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
21. 16 more days of listening to you people bleat about the number of days..
Tue May 31, 2016, 06:42 PM
May 2016

till you get your little safe space where nothing happening in the real world will have any effect on you.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
30. Referring to the FBI criminal investigation of Hillary's use of
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:06 PM
May 2016

her server is not "praying for the indictment fairy" and the story will continue beyond June 18 and will be discussed here. Brace yourself for dispointment.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
31. The manner of the discussion will be factual, not politically weaponized
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:09 PM
May 2016

So no more sewage like one sees from the HA Gooddman, Seth Abramson, Shaun King crowd.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
34. Fact is she won, in 16 days this won't be a place for dead enders to try to relitigate the primary
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:14 PM
May 2016

by flogging that issue.

Trashing the nominee helps Trump.

 

Baaadger

(5 posts)
15. Her pollinc vs Trump is terrible
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:48 PM
May 2016

Hillary Clinton leads Donald J. Trump by just 4 points in New Jersey, a state that hasn't voted for a Republican presidential nominee since 1988.

Response to geek tragedy (Reply #16)

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
8. You can make a sentence run for months with enough semicolons!
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:28 PM
May 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
14. What's even worse is that this guy evidently
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:41 PM
May 2016

is the chief editor for a writing program! See the end of the OP link.

ContinentalOp

(5,356 posts)
13. First it was Bernie Math and now they bring us Bernie Lit!
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:40 PM
May 2016

Just as convoluted, but with words instead of numbers!

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
5. You do realize...
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:05 PM
May 2016

... that the claims of Hillary Clinton being a weak candidate only tells everyone else that Bernie's supporters believe that if she can't put Sanders away then he is an even weaker candidate and not formidable at all. If she is that weak how come Bernie can't beat her? That statement is a double edged sword and Bernie supporters are trying to climb it with both hands, one on each edge.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
7. The media and the Democratic party have pretended he doesn't exist for the last year
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:25 PM
May 2016

And yet he has managed to scratch and claw his way into a virtual tie with her. I would say he is a very, very strong candidate despite all odds.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
11. He isn't anywhere near a virtual tie.
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:35 PM
May 2016

He's behind by more than twice as much as Clinton was in 2008.

Apparently we get our news from different sources as I've heard about Sanders on every news source I read, watch or listen to.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
12. She has not cinched the nomination and the primaries are almost over
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:38 PM
May 2016

It's near a virtual tie and it won't be resolved until the convention, or someone gets indicted, whichever happens first.

If she or anyone involved is indicted AFTER the convention, Trump is the next president. Especially if they throw someone besides Sanders in.

The Democratic party is incompetent.

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
19. I would hardly call it...
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:06 PM
May 2016

... a virtual tie. You are absolutely wrong if you think the public and the media do not know who Bernie Sanders is now. He gets more airtime than Hillary Clinton does, especially on Sunday. What I'm trying to tell you is that if you believe that Hillary Clinton is a weak candidate and she is leading Bernie Sanders substantially in votes and delegates, then how do you expect him to be a more formidable opponent against Donald Trump than Hillary Clinton? Why can't he be a weak candidate if he is so formidable? Logic is not on your side.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
22. "Third base."
Tue May 31, 2016, 06:44 PM
May 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
17. Paul Krugman is the youngest recipient of the John Bates Clark Medal and a Nobel Prize winner...
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:53 PM
May 2016

Professor Abramson is a professor at a small state university.

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #17)

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
36. Win the John Bates Clark Medal and a Nobel Prize and get back to me, okay?
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:30 PM
May 2016

I have another fan... I feel like Elvis, lol.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
27. In that case, Obama was an even weaker frontrunner in 2008, as he was further from 59%.
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:19 PM
May 2016

As for Clinton "having every possible advantage...in terms of the logistics of individual state electoral processes," Sanders benefited from caucuses, which greatly suppress the vote. Replace caucuses with primaries and I doubt Clinton would have much trouble reaching 2383 via pledged delegates alone.

And Clinton's early superdelegate advantage in 2008 didn't prevent Obama from beating her. If anything, in an anti-establishment climate, Sanders probably got a boost from Clinton's superdelegate advantage.

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