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imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:33 PM May 2016

Pro-Bernie Sanders posts to be banned on DU before Democratic Party has a candidate for President?

I hope not.

So is June 16th the "magical date" when pro-Bernie Sanders democrats and independents will be prohibited from presenting their views and news on Democratic Underground? That's what Hillary Clinton DU supporters have been joyfully claiming and gloating about for weeks now! How do they know in advance what DU administrators have planned? Maybe they had a look at some e-mails not shared with most DU members. I don't know.

So I have to ask, is the June 7th cutoff date based on e-mails received from top Democratic Party officials such as Debbie Wasserman Schultz or something else such as political opposition to Bernie Sanders or personal political support for Hillary Clinton's nomination by DU administrators?

In any case, everyone knows the General Election doesn't really begin until the two major party candidates have been decided at their respective conventions.

Hillary Clinton simply does not and can not have a sufficient number of pledged delegates to secure the nomination before the convention takes place. And secondly over 160 unpledged superdelegates have not indicated a preference for the nomination and the balance of superdelegates remain unpledged and they are free to vote for a candidate other than the one they have indicated a preference for. They are "free agents" at the national convention. And there is a very good chance that collectively the convention delegates won't elect Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders as their presidential candidate. Serious talk is beginning to surface among Democratic Party leaders on selecting Joseph Biden and others for the Democratic Party presidential ticket.

Only one thing can be accomplished by prohibiting pro-Bernie Sanders posts on DU before the convention. And that is to make DU a Hillary Clinton convention tool that will only serve to weaken Bernie Sanders and his supporters at the convention.

If that's what DU adminstrators want, they have a right to turn DU into an anti-Bernie Sanders discussion board.

That would mean that most posters will have to organize or find a democratic discussion board to permits free debate and discussion before the candidates have been selected for the General Election.

I urge DU Administrators to not ban posts by supporters of Bernie Sanders that criticize Hillary Clinton's policies until after the Democratic Party has selected their presidential candidate.

That seems like a completely fair and democratic proposal to me.

Isn't it?

I look forward to receiving a frank and positive response to my proposal


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Pro-Bernie Sanders posts to be banned on DU before Democratic Party has a candidate for President? (Original Post) imagine2015 May 2016 OP
Pro-Bernie posts will be allowed Cali_Democrat May 2016 #1
And if Bernie says or writes something critical of Clinton will that be allowed? imagine2015 May 2016 #3
Nope. grossproffit May 2016 #16
And if Hill supporter says or writes something critical of Bernie will that be allowed? B Calm May 2016 #91
We will be onto beating the LUNATIC FrankenTrump which is ALL that will matter. Move on please. RBInMaine May 2016 #113
Yeah I'll bet Scootaloo Jun 2016 #203
Did they give you a stick and a whistle yet, RB? Sounds that way. leveymg Jun 2016 #277
He isn't the nominee. Random Democrats and others get criticized all the time here. Mr Maru May 2016 #181
funny how the pest hole discussionist can do what it wants but this roguevalley Jun 2016 #198
That kind of question should be in ATA because only Skinner knows the answer. merrily May 2016 #85
Why would he even think of doing that when Democrats need to beat Trump??? riversedge May 2016 #177
Really? Did you buy DU, mein fuhrer? tabasco May 2016 #21
I was wondering that too... eom Purveyor May 2016 #38
It's all right here: barrow-wight May 2016 #47
Same thing happened to Hillary supporters in 2008. annavictorious May 2016 #80
Well done outing yourself. Who were you before? riderinthestorm May 2016 #128
heh, thanks. One wonders. nilram Jun 2016 #197
Oh here's a PUMA that's proud of it. And PUMA stands for Party Unity My ASS. Zen Democrat Jun 2016 #253
They want a safe space like college students nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #109
Way to make fun of fellow progressives metroins May 2016 #155
As a matter of fact I am eating gluten free bread nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #187
Why don't you expect me to get that? metroins May 2016 #188
I just don't anymore nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #189
My wife's is Celiac metroins May 2016 #191
It is quite self efacing. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #194
I tested negative for celiac, but am highly allergic to wheat. Duval Jun 2016 #257
Gluten free coodies... SidDithers May 2016 #161
"gluten free coodies": lol at that imagery Babel_17 Jun 2016 #243
Good, my typiing has been going down hill nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #244
Maybe it's just that your powers of observation are improving? Babel_17 Jun 2016 #246
I might look into it nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #247
Ok MyNameGoesHere May 2016 #136
So, are people just going to ignore all the negatives things that come out about Hillary? Loudestlib May 2016 #39
Jesus fucking christ Actor May 2016 #58
Stay in that bubble! basselope May 2016 #162
God fucking damn Loudestlib May 2016 #169
well, THAT will certainly cramp the style of the Repugnants "for" Bernie!! LOL!! Bill USA May 2016 #56
Well that's a load of crap. seekthetruth May 2016 #93
According to Skinner, just viewing an ad on DU-as in it simply appearing on your screen JimDandy May 2016 #125
Great....thanks for the tip! seekthetruth May 2016 #174
Even if she is indicted? AgingAmerican May 2016 #139
Keep hoping for the indictment fairy if it makes you feel better. nt Cali_Democrat May 2016 #142
It's a possibility given she is under active FBI investigation AgingAmerican May 2016 #143
Keep acting like it's nothing that she has done. Because that is just head in the sand time. bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #231
A lot of people are taking it upon themselves to speak for admin, here, aren't they. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #209
As a Bernie supporter, I'm fine with that democrattotheend Jun 2016 #249
Pro-Bernie posts will never be banned on DU. Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #2
+1 grossproffit May 2016 #18
Yup. Agschmid May 2016 #59
+1 RelativelyJones May 2016 #86
No one will be banned. It means the primary season is over still_one May 2016 #92
The presumptive nominee is NOT the nominee passiveporcupine May 2016 #183
I agree. Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #221
I agree. And posts before the convention pointing out why Bernie is a better nominee lostnfound Jun 2016 #227
Unfortunately, passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #238
Not only is it not fair, it isn't accurate. Zen Democrat Jun 2016 #256
And if criminal or other serious matters come up with the presumptive nominee we are bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #233
Please point to evidence that "Serious talk is beginning to surface among Democratic Party leaders" brooklynite May 2016 #4
That'll be a long wait, I suspect... nt MADem May 2016 #6
Something like this, I imagine. greatauntoftriplets May 2016 #94
LOL! nt MADem May 2016 #103
Keep your ear to the ground for the next few weeks, Reiyuki Jun 2016 #208
Pro-Bernie posts are welcome. You just can't attack the presumptive Dem nominee. hack89 May 2016 #5
I agree with you -- this has always been my understanding during election season Samantha May 2016 #12
I don't presume the conventions will select Hillary. She doesn't have enough pledged votes. imagine2015 May 2016 #15
All well and good. Just don't attack Hillary here on DU and you won't have any problems. hack89 May 2016 #19
The question is: How about anti-Bernie posts? Will they be allowed? Fawke Em Jun 2016 #248
If the smug HRC supporters are so certain that she has it locked up, panader0 Jun 2016 #252
Skinner says no. hack89 Jun 2016 #260
Doesn't matter what Sanders says LoverOfLiberty May 2016 #48
You have a very active imagination. barrow-wight May 2016 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author Actor May 2016 #63
but she's a presumptive felon too. Cobalt Violet May 2016 #23
It simply means you will go away if you cannot constrain yourself. hack89 May 2016 #27
we are to ignore facts about one of the candidates? grasswire May 2016 #32
You can certainly walk that line if you wish by keeping things factual and unemotional. hack89 May 2016 #37
No, that won't work. sibelian Jun 2016 #266
Positive post about Bernie: panader0 Jun 2016 #254
That's nice. And irrelevent. nt hack89 Jun 2016 #263
Presumptive? barrow-wight May 2016 #51
Felon? Sheepshank May 2016 #89
And here I thought it was presumed innocent until proven guilty. Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #96
Not one of those things matters to these folksq nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #112
Yes, it's the bunker mentality...where have we seen this before??? nt haikugal Jun 2016 #279
How about Jester Messiah May 2016 #41
Don't be an ass about it would be my recommendation hack89 May 2016 #43
I think that advice needs to be pointed in a different direction. Scootaloo Jun 2016 #204
I think we all need to tone it down hack89 Jun 2016 #218
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #75
Then DU will support him. hack89 May 2016 #114
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #120
The purpose of DU is to support Democrats hack89 May 2016 #124
This message was self-deleted by its author CobaltBlue May 2016 #133
Makes total sense, if you haven't been paying attention to current news. anotherproletariat Jun 2016 #202
What exactly is "attack"? Is it any mention of her weakness, poor decisions history? Is mentioning Vincardog May 2016 #104
Ask Skinner. nt hack89 May 2016 #117
I would assume so. Donald Ian Rankin May 2016 #138
Just to be clear it is your opinion that mentioning true facts in regard to HRC is attacking her. Vincardog May 2016 #180
It always has been that way arikara May 2016 #186
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #196
Well aren't you special Hekate Jun 2016 #213
It can be. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #234
That's how it sounds and for added fun we Sanders supporters azurnoir May 2016 #7
I noticed that dismissive phrase too Armstead May 2016 #20
I found that to be kind considering. barrow-wight May 2016 #49
what does it say about a candidate when pointing out their record is called vitriol? azurnoir May 2016 #147
Right. barrow-wight May 2016 #171
skewed as opposed to sugar coated ? and when it comes to hateful tone ....... azurnoir Jun 2016 #200
I have never seen Hillary for America. barrow-wight Jun 2016 #210
well Google can be your friend azurnoir Jun 2016 #211
Or my enemy. barrow-wight Jun 2016 #212
perhaps you'd be interested in visiting jackassradicals magical thyme Jun 2016 #268
they're so worried about Trump that they'll run the weaker candidate against him MisterP May 2016 #53
The weaker candidate is the one currently losing the primary. nt Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #100
No matter how many times their prediction models fail... sibelian Jun 2016 #267
that was literally their approach to the 2010, '12, and '14 elections: "our campaigning was PERFECT MisterP Jun 2016 #270
It's............ BIZARRE. BIZARRE. It's the WEIRDEST political system in the world. sibelian Jun 2016 #272
it's got a lot of parts: 1. blaming the voters is just easy, especially when you see MisterP Jun 2016 #273
EXACTLY, it's not a political ideology at all, it's just a bunch of DEBATING TACTICS sibelian Jun 2016 #275
It's no different that what we Hillary supporters had to do in 2008. Beacool May 2016 #145
it's different Hillary conceded she had enormous campaign debt that Obama agreed to pay off for her azurnoir May 2016 #148
That exact same wording was used after the 2008 primary voting ended. n/t musicblind May 2016 #172
I don't call it condescension, I call it bigotry. sibelian Jun 2016 #265
^^^^^THIS^^^^^ haikugal Jun 2016 #280
If it comes to pass catnhatnh May 2016 #8
Say the weather that day was nice. mmonk May 2016 #35
I won't nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #118
Leaving again, are you? zappaman May 2016 #126
Her loss will be devastating to me!!!!! beaglelover May 2016 #167
It will be pleasant for us. We will work to defete Trump. upaloopa May 2016 #156
You do know there are options for those who stand up nc4bo May 2016 #9
Thanks for posting this trudyco May 2016 #119
"there is a very good chance that collectively the convention delegates won't elect Hillary Clinton" sufrommich May 2016 #10
that's what Hillary said nt grasswire May 2016 #34
Unless pro-Bernie... JSup May 2016 #11
Anti what Hillary represents -- DLC, Corporate and Wall St. owned pseudo centrism and.... Armstead May 2016 #24
Not allowed. barrow-wight May 2016 #55
First the Democratic nominee has been clear since March mythology May 2016 #13
Great post grossproffit May 2016 #29
You mean "presumptive" nominee. The nominee will be decided at the convention. senz May 2016 #62
I asked all of my questions in "Ask The Admins" today. Miles Archer May 2016 #14
That would be just stupid AgingAmerican May 2016 #17
The Adminstrators are not stupid but I bet they are under enormous pressure to transform DU into a imagine2015 May 2016 #26
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #36
You've been here since 2002 and you think Skinner has been "bought"? onenote May 2016 #68
I didn't say that. grasswire May 2016 #70
Skinner has stayed in AtA that he sees Trump as a threat to the nation Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #40
And most DU'ers will support the Democratic candidate AFTER the party decides on a candidate! imagine2015 May 2016 #69
That's not how this is going to play out Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #73
There is another thread on the recent history of presumptive nominees. magical thyme Jun 2016 #269
Bernie supporters think the report was scathing Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2016 #282
actually, the media described the IG report as scathing magical thyme Jun 2016 #283
OK, I posted that I'd behave and stop arguing, so I'm going to do that Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2016 #284
Your denial of reality doesn't make it any less real. TwilightZone May 2016 #77
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #90
Tell Skinner Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #97
In fact barrow-wight May 2016 #61
Thank goodness you signed up last week to condescend to us long timers today Ned_Devine May 2016 #101
long timer what? barrow-wight May 2016 #102
I think as a newbie here in 2004, I didn't condescend to those... Ned_Devine May 2016 #107
That one's not a newbie fyi whatever their join date says riderinthestorm May 2016 #135
I try not to respond Ned_Devine May 2016 #137
Agreed. I'm bummed its come to this actually. I've been here since 2005 riderinthestorm May 2016 #151
After there are no more contests the primary is over KingFlorez May 2016 #22
You're mistaken. Hillary will not have enough pledged delegates to capture the nomination. imagine2015 May 2016 #30
See Skinner's response here Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #42
Skinner will call the election before Hillary has secured the nomination and when Bernie says he is imagine2015 May 2016 #153
There's another thread on this Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #154
She needs around 256 pledged delegates to reach 2026 KingFlorez May 2016 #46
She needs 612 pledged delegates to reach 2383. senz May 2016 #98
Bingo! +1. This primary will be decided on the convention floor. B Calm May 2016 #108
Does it really matter what DU allows? senz May 2016 #115
In every contest since 1984 when superdelegates began, the election has been "called" pnwmom Jun 2016 #250
The word underground won't have meaning anymore. B Calm May 2016 #25
It technically lost its meaning when Obama was elected Blue_Adept May 2016 #31
Huh? CountAllVotes May 2016 #28
This is a privately owned website. barrow-wight May 2016 #65
DU is not a democracy and its top administrator is a Hillary supporter. senz May 2016 #66
And no one is making you post here. onenote May 2016 #72
Did I say they were? senz May 2016 #82
silly people expecting PRIVATE ventures to operate as if it were a government entity Sheepshank May 2016 #87
Can I come into your house and make political speeches? Nye Bevan May 2016 #122
My advice to you Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #33
Been here since 2004, butif this place is going to go full Free Republic Arkana May 2016 #44
+1,000 !! CountAllVotes May 2016 #54
I've been searching for greener pastures. tabasco May 2016 #74
This place only has started to resemble Free Republic Happyhippychick May 2016 #83
hell yeah!!! Sheepshank May 2016 #88
Like what? Give some examples of these "outrageous venomous attacks." Scootaloo Jun 2016 #207
It's quite easy to find, just check the latest and greatest pages Happyhippychick Jun 2016 #219
So, you can't find any. Dawgs Jun 2016 #225
LOL Happyhippychick Jun 2016 #228
LOL, indeed. Dawgs Jun 2016 #229
Yep Happyhippychick Jun 2016 #230
Please, show me some examples of what you consider "outrageous and venomous attacks" Scootaloo Jun 2016 #236
I know you can do it Happyhippychick Jun 2016 #237
I can't read your mind, I'm afraid Scootaloo Jun 2016 #262
Of course you can't Happyhippychick Jun 2016 #271
Hell, even if he doesn't... Scootaloo Jun 2016 #205
One place to start -- senz May 2016 #45
Will administrators ban Hillary supporters posts that criticize Bernie? B Calm May 2016 #52
Of course not. senz May 2016 #79
Bernie Sanders forum won't be dissolved. blm May 2016 #57
HRC supporters will s.t.r.e.t.c.h the DU 'mandate' to burn any Bernie supporters HumanityExperiment May 2016 #60
The Democratic Party already has a nominee. Tortmaster May 2016 #64
The focus will be on criticizing Trump. Please make a note of it Gomez163 May 2016 #67
Tell Hillary supporters, they'll still be criticizing Bernie B Calm May 2016 #71
Just put up a pro Bernie post after June 16 and see what happens. Gomez163 May 2016 #76
Nothing in the rules says after June 16 I can't put up a Pro Bernie post. You B Calm May 2016 #78
It doesn't matter, B Calm senz May 2016 #105
Spare me. nt nc4bo May 2016 #99
Hey, Clint Eastwood, looks like you'll need to holster your Magnum typing fingers suffragette Jun 2016 #235
Yeah yeah yeah Gomez163 Jun 2016 #241
Nope, it is the date the official primary season ends, and the still_one May 2016 #81
It would have to be called felix_numinous May 2016 #84
So sorry, it must be vexing -not to mention tiresome- to return to talking about issues. randome May 2016 #95
LOL! Throughout 2015 we were begging y'all to discuss issues. senz May 2016 #110
I think if Bernie supporters want to plan strategy for the convention Lodestar May 2016 #106
Definitely. Obviously. senz May 2016 #121
This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Colors May 2016 #111
People should consider websites/forums that are well known among political junkies. senz May 2016 #129
exactly. They will get their echo chamber back but they will lose a lot of members and a lot of liberal_at_heart May 2016 #159
"Bernie Sanders is a great guy" = fine Nye Bevan May 2016 #116
There are very few pro Bernie posts in the main forums. NCTraveler May 2016 #123
Hillary will not have the required amount of 2,383 pledged delegates for a clinch. B Calm May 2016 #127
I've seen a few Posts libodem May 2016 #130
Skinner et al have every right to do what they will with DU. PufPuf23 May 2016 #131
What about posts regarding Hillary's own record TrueDemVA May 2016 #132
Of course they will. smiley May 2016 #149
Ha ha ha TrueDemVA May 2016 #157
I've been lurking here for 12 years.... smiley May 2016 #166
I'm with you TrueDemVA May 2016 #184
I think a lot of us are going to miss it Hydra May 2016 #190
We'll get it out of our systems very easily. After watching the various purges and the abuse of haikugal Jun 2016 #281
Your denial is deeply deeply pathetic. Skinner giving you a boost of reality is actually a huge gift tritsofme May 2016 #134
"not enough pledged delegates" jcgoldie May 2016 #140
It's an acknowledgment of how weak and vulnerable they think she actually is. Ferd Berfel May 2016 #141
The same rules were in place 2004, 2008, and for those that didn't get their pony in 2012 Renew Deal May 2016 #150
I think that Skinner has had enough of the people who live in denial. Beacool May 2016 #144
Yada yada yada. Give me a whine. seabeyond May 2016 #146
Why do you post so unkind and disrespectful? eom PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #199
The primary here is over when the voting ends. upaloopa May 2016 #152
How about just no more trashing the nominee after the date given? bravenak May 2016 #158
What if the nominee is trash? basselope May 2016 #163
Then move on after that date bravenak May 2016 #164
It's a shame when a candidate is so weak it can't stand up to criticism. basselope May 2016 #170
You can criticize her elsewhere as much as you please bravenak May 2016 #173
Guess the bubble helps people think they are safe, eh? basselope May 2016 #175
Why should we feel unsafe? Hmmm. I hope that's not meant as a threat of some sort. bravenak May 2016 #176
Obviously you (the collective you) feel unsafe since you feel the desperate need to censor opinions basselope May 2016 #178
This is silly bravenak May 2016 #179
Yes, censoring people b/c of the weakness of your candidate IS silly. basselope Jun 2016 #193
The bubble must be preserved at all costs! basselope May 2016 #160
It will be nice when DU is once again a site that supports Democrats...nt SidDithers May 2016 #165
well Robbins May 2016 #168
Once that happens, no one in their right mind will use DU as a legit source for anything. It litlbilly May 2016 #185
These days... quickesst May 2016 #182
We can't help it if Hillary Clinton is scandal ridden and distrusted by most people. imagine2015 May 2016 #192
Thanks... quickesst Jun 2016 #216
"And that is to make DU a Hillary Clinton convention tool..." Garrett78 Jun 2016 #195
You're right. NanceGreggs Jun 2016 #201
Why would they do that? Rex Jun 2016 #206
There is a difference though between having an honest difference of opinion and just trying to stir cstanleytech Jun 2016 #214
K&R. Please Skinner, don't pull a DWS on us. It won't work, but it will have consequences Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #215
we have our nominee on June 6th skinner is being gracious to allow the bashing of her until the 16th beachbum bob Jun 2016 #217
Who posts "pro-Bernie" OPs on DU these days? JoePhilly Jun 2016 #220
They dropped the idea of 'issues' a long time ago. randome Jun 2016 #223
I and many other posters do. He is running for the nomination and criticizes Hillary's positions. imagine2015 Jun 2016 #224
I hope that if someone finds another good site for discussion that doesn't have the censorship pdsimdars Jun 2016 #222
we have our candidate June 7th around 9pm est beachbum bob Jun 2016 #226
Are you going to apologize for your false accusation for an Op of whining that had no basis? seabeyond Jun 2016 #232
I guess I'll have to patronize that Naveed fellow at that other website. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #239
This op will never be banned at DU in GD. Ever. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #240
It sounds funny when you demo the reasoning out loud Babel_17 Jun 2016 #242
Are you being forced to participate here? You're not even a Star Member who contributed... BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #245
The Democratic Party has not picked anyone to run for President no matter how much you protest that imagine2015 Jun 2016 #264
no they won't, and neither will pro-Hillary supporters as long as they follow the TOS after the still_one Jun 2016 #251
Oh what bullshit. Problems with reading comprehension? Where did you see that? Lil Missy Jun 2016 #255
Well said! rurallib Jun 2016 #258
I just read the Skinner post. It says nothing like you claim. rurallib Jun 2016 #259
"you're intemperate!" *intemperately ignores imagine2015* MisterP Jun 2016 #274
Half of it is complete bullshit anyway and has no business being posted here. ucrdem Jun 2016 #261
Did you actually READ Skinner's post? That would help. Hekate Jun 2016 #276
As Per Skinner's post, your statement is incorrect. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #278
 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
3. And if Bernie says or writes something critical of Clinton will that be allowed?
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:37 PM
May 2016

If it's done before the convention decides who to run for President?

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
91. And if Hill supporter says or writes something critical of Bernie will that be allowed?
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:42 PM
May 2016

They are suppose to be focusing on Trump after that date.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
113. We will be onto beating the LUNATIC FrankenTrump which is ALL that will matter. Move on please.
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:57 PM
May 2016

Mr Maru

(216 posts)
181. He isn't the nominee. Random Democrats and others get criticized all the time here.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:56 PM
May 2016

This isn't hard to figure out. It's not like it's MATH or anything.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
198. funny how the pest hole discussionist can do what it wants but this
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:28 AM
Jun 2016

place is closing down before the process is over. I don't know which one is sadder.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
21. Really? Did you buy DU, mein fuhrer?
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:46 PM
May 2016
No dissent will be tolerated?


A safe zone for the Clinton crew?


I suppose I'll kiss DU goodbye if that's the case.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
128. Well done outing yourself. Who were you before?
Tue May 31, 2016, 06:12 PM
May 2016

Cause according to your profile you're "new" here (and with 4 hides already too)

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Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
253. Oh here's a PUMA that's proud of it. And PUMA stands for Party Unity My ASS.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:39 PM
Jun 2016

And yet Bernie supporters are somehow casting shade on Hillary? Hillary supporters were the worst in 2008 and they are adding to their infamy in 2016.

Trump and Hillary -- NEVER. People who want to beat Trump should pray that Bernie get the nomination. It's the only chance we have.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
109. They want a safe space like college students
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:55 PM
May 2016


Next we will have to send them gluten free coodies, I suspect time stories on the email sage will lead to bannings too, This has happened in the past, 2004 and 2008 to be specific.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
187. As a matter of fact I am eating gluten free bread
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:38 PM
May 2016

right now, since I do have those allergies... so it is quite self efacing humor, Not that I expect you to get that

metroins

(2,550 posts)
191. My wife's is Celiac
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:55 PM
May 2016

She had the egd and biopsy in her teens. She is also dairy free, but not lactose intolerant.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
194. It is quite self efacing.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:28 AM
Jun 2016

It is not so bad that I cannot eat out, but it is bad enough that if I get gross cross contamination I am out for the day

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
257. I tested negative for celiac, but am highly allergic to wheat.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:51 PM
Jun 2016

Some restaurants have gluten-free menus, but they do warn of cross-contamination. Sometimes it's a royal pain when invited for dinner at someone's home.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
243. "gluten free coodies": lol at that imagery
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:07 PM
Jun 2016

I'm thinking Sesame Street characters (for some reason) because of the typo, so I enjoyed it.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
244. Good, my typiing has been going down hill
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:08 PM
Jun 2016

I think I need to seriously talk to the doctor about that.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
246. Maybe it's just that your powers of observation are improving?
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:17 PM
Jun 2016

My sister was once briefly an editor for Omni magazine. She shared with me a piece the legendary Isaac Asimov quickly rattled off for an even quicker check. Have no fear for what you're submitting!

Though you did misspell typing. Ha!

More seriously, because of course your writing is very important to you, think about investing in a good mechanical keyboard. (like the ones IBM used to make) These newer "chiclet" style ones making hitting the wrong key much easier to do.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/240939/mechanical_keyboards_should_you_switch_.html

Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
56. well, THAT will certainly cramp the style of the Repugnants "for" Bernie!! LOL!!
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:13 PM
May 2016

With only positive pro-Bernie posts, the number of posts from alleged Bernie supporters would drop off about 97%!!!
 

seekthetruth

(504 posts)
93. Well that's a load of crap.
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:43 PM
May 2016

I guess I'll have to find some other forum because that is completely undemocratic.

Sorry....your ad revenue from click counts will diminish a bit.....

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
125. According to Skinner, just viewing an ad on DU-as in it simply appearing on your screen
Tue May 31, 2016, 06:04 PM
May 2016

Last edited Tue May 31, 2016, 08:43 PM - Edit history (1)

brings in revenue for him.

www.JackpineRadicals.org, a website for Bernie supporters is making it's forum site more user friendly. It will surely get a boatload of new members soon.

edited web address

 

seekthetruth

(504 posts)
174. Great....thanks for the tip!
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:29 PM
May 2016

Sorry DU....all of my progressive friends will hear about this site. BTW, it's jackpineradicals.org - not .com

For what it's worth, I hope this other site gets plenty of traffic.....!

DU is for the Democratic Sucker Party.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
143. It's a possibility given she is under active FBI investigation
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:10 PM
May 2016

So you don't want to discuss that possibility? I understand!

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
209. A lot of people are taking it upon themselves to speak for admin, here, aren't they.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:00 AM
Jun 2016

....having been through several primary cycles here, my two non-official pieces of advice to you are-

One, to not get too prematurely excited. You probably arent going to find all the banned long-time members under the xmas tree that you think you will.

And two, to not take it upon yourself to speak for the people who, unlike you, actually do run this place.



My gut feeling is, they don't much appreciate that.

you know, though, "post accordingly", lol

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
249. As a Bernie supporter, I'm fine with that
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:23 PM
Jun 2016

We have a really great candidate, and yet you wouldn't know it from some of his supporters here. For every pro-Bernie post I see at least 3 anti-Hillary posts and it's frustrating. Bernie is a unique and inspiring candidate and has a great message that I think gets lost here when people on our side litter the forum with anti-Hillary threads, especially the crap from right wing sources, much of which is a rerun of right wing crap from 20 years ago.

That said, I would like to know what exactly constitutes "anti-Hillary". I remember 8 years ago constructive criticism of Obama was allowed even after the switch.

For example, will it be okay to say that she is not handling the e-mail issue well, and to point out that her tendency to be secretive has hurt her a lot over the years because it makes it look like she has something to hide when she probably doesn't? Is it okay to express concern about her views on foreign policy and military engagements?

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
2. Pro-Bernie posts will never be banned on DU.
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:36 PM
May 2016

Ever. But pro-Bernie =/= anti-Hillary. I'm pro-Bernie. I'm also pro-Hillary. The two are not mutually exclusive.

still_one

(91,937 posts)
92. No one will be banned. It means the primary season is over
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:42 PM
May 2016

advocation for third party runs or continuing the campaign against the presumptive nominee may result in an undesired result though

If someone does not want to support the presumptive Democratic nominee, as long as they keep that to themselves there will be no issues

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
183. The presumptive nominee is NOT the nominee
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:03 PM
May 2016

In a race like this where neither candidate can win enough pledged delegates to automatically become the nominee before the convention, the race is still active until the opposition concedes to the media-declared "presumptive" nominee.

Bernie is not going to concede, so it would be totally unfair to Bernie supporters to stop the primary race here and switch to GE.



Any night that you have a primary or caucus, and the media lumps the superdelegates in, that they basically polled by calling them up and saying who are you supporting, they don't vote until the convention, and so they shouldn't be included in any count."

lostnfound

(16,138 posts)
227. I agree. And posts before the convention pointing out why Bernie is a better nominee
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:21 AM
Jun 2016

Should definitely be allowed unless and until a) Bernie concedes or b) the nomination process is complete

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
238. Unfortunately,
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:06 PM
Jun 2016

Skinner has decided the nominee is decided by majority pledged delegates, after the final primary, even if the opposition has "not" conceded. I don't think that is fair (no matter which candidate it is), but it's his ball game here.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
233. And if criminal or other serious matters come up with the presumptive nominee we are
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:10 AM
Jun 2016

not to speak of it. I am talking about absolute problems with the candidate and anyone (except some with their heads possibly in the sand) would be very concerned about the candidate. The candidate that would be running to be the most powerful person in the world and representing ALL of us in the United States.

brooklynite

(93,834 posts)
4. Please point to evidence that "Serious talk is beginning to surface among Democratic Party leaders"
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:38 PM
May 2016
Serious talk is beginning to surface among Democratic Party leaders on selecting Joseph Biden and others for the Democratic Party presidential ticket.


Anonymous blog posts don't count.

Reiyuki

(96 posts)
208. Keep your ear to the ground for the next few weeks,
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:49 AM
Jun 2016

If they are, not one would admit it. The only way you could tell is by looking at public strategy changes over the next few weeks.

If they are making backup plans, you'll see things like:
* Party leaders saying the primaries are still in process and nothing is finalized until the convention, then they're priming expectations so you're not as surprised in July.

and

* Various mainstream news editorials talking about 'alternative options' and names like Biden or Elizabeth Warren pop up. Trial balloons to gauge potential support.



If I had to bet, I'd say the 'clinched nomination' bell gets loudly rung after the California primaries, but has little effect to the Sanders people and in the end gets very little traction. If that happens, June 10th-14th will be when the above starts to play out.


I'm not saying it's going to happen, but you asked for evidence, so this is the evidence to look out for.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
5. Pro-Bernie posts are welcome. You just can't attack the presumptive Dem nominee.
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:39 PM
May 2016

It shouldn't be that different for you.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
12. I agree with you -- this has always been my understanding during election season
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:43 PM
May 2016

One cannot undermine the official Democrat nominee or advocate for a third party. It is pretty simple really.

Sam

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
15. I don't presume the conventions will select Hillary. She doesn't have enough pledged votes.
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:44 PM
May 2016

Bernie Sanders says that will not be decided until the convention delegates meet and vote.

That's why he will be campaigning from now until the convention delegates vote.

He's not suspending his campaign and he shouldn't.

He can and I think will win the nomination.

The superdelegates will decide to select someone who can beat Trump and since Hillary can't I think they will vote for Bernie.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
19. All well and good. Just don't attack Hillary here on DU and you won't have any problems.
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:45 PM
May 2016

you can still post about Bernie and his campaign.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
248. The question is: How about anti-Bernie posts? Will they be allowed?
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:20 PM
Jun 2016

Neither candidate will have the required pledged delegates, so they both have the potential to be the nominee.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
252. If the smug HRC supporters are so certain that she has it locked up,
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:37 PM
Jun 2016

why are they continuing anti-Bernie posts? They are driving voters away from HRC. By the boatload.
I suspect some of the recent influx of HRC supporters will leave when their checks stop.

LoverOfLiberty

(1,438 posts)
48. Doesn't matter what Sanders says
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:09 PM
May 2016

When Hillary has the majority of pledged delegates, as was the case in 2008, she will be the presumed nominee.

Response to imagine2015 (Reply #15)

hack89

(39,171 posts)
27. It simply means you will go away if you cannot constrain yourself.
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:51 PM
May 2016

why not simply post positive things about Bernie and leave it at that?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
37. You can certainly walk that line if you wish by keeping things factual and unemotional.
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:59 PM
May 2016

I have a hard time imagining that the most rabid Hillary haters will be able to pull it off - the venom will leak through into their posts. They can't help themselves.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
266. No, that won't work.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:03 AM
Jun 2016

Any observer of any post on this site has tacit (although never explicitly stated) permission to read any emotional overtone they wish into any text and claim that that subtext is the primary message. This is completely obvious to anyone reading the site.
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
112. Not one of those things matters to these folksq
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:56 PM
May 2016

this is a really mature scandal, They want a bunker, let them have it.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
43. Don't be an ass about it would be my recommendation
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:04 PM
May 2016

if you start racking up the hides then you might consider toning it down. It will be a learning experience for all of us.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
218. I think we all need to tone it down
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:00 AM
Jun 2016

There is plenty of snark and vitriol from both sides. It is what happens when everyone gives up the pretense of intellectual discussion and jumps in the mosh pit instead.

Response to hack89 (Reply #5)

Response to hack89 (Reply #114)

hack89

(39,171 posts)
124. The purpose of DU is to support Democrats
Tue May 31, 2016, 06:03 PM
May 2016

this year the goal is to put a Dem in the White House. Why wouldn't we support Sanders? Who else are we going to support?

Response to hack89 (Reply #124)

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
202. Makes total sense, if you haven't been paying attention to current news.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:25 AM
Jun 2016

Or know the rules of the Democratic Party nominating process.

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
104. What exactly is "attack"? Is it any mention of her weakness, poor decisions history? Is mentioning
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:50 PM
May 2016

Criminal investigations and attack?

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
138. I would assume so.
Tue May 31, 2016, 06:54 PM
May 2016

Certainly, if I were to describe you as being weak and having a history of poor decisions, I suspect that you would feel attacked, and while mentioning her emails isn't *necessarily* an attack on her, I've seen very few posts on the subject by Sanders supporters on DU that weren't.

arikara

(5,562 posts)
186. It always has been that way
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:25 PM
May 2016

True facts have always = attacks here. It looks like business as usual except now they get to turf the Bernie people.

Response to arikara (Reply #186)

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
234. It can be.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:09 PM
Jun 2016

Hitler was a strong leader who rebuilt Germany's shattered military, reduced unemployment and build good roads.

There are more true facts out there than anyone could list in a lifetime.

"It's just true facts" is not always a sufficient defence if those facts are selectively chosen to create a misleading impression.


I think that it's very sensible that the rule is "no attacks on the nominee" rather than "no attacks on the nominee, unless you genuinely believe they're true, in which case go ahead and launch them".

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
7. That's how it sounds and for added fun we Sanders supporters
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:41 PM
May 2016

have to "get it out of our systems " IMO that's rather condescending

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910474#post1

After the primaries on June 7 (California, New Jersey, etc.)...

...we will announce that the primaries are nearing an end, and members will have one more week to "get it out of their systems".

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
20. I noticed that dismissive phrase too
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:46 PM
May 2016

I can understand how the admins might get a little cynical at the sniping we engage in here in the groundlings ring.

But many of us take the larger implications that the primary represents very seriously. And that transcends the Bernie v. Hillary round of the ongoing debate over who what what the Democratic Party represents.

barrow-wight

(744 posts)
49. I found that to be kind considering.
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:10 PM
May 2016

I've only been here a short time and the vitriol towards Clinton is so vicious and hateful, I'm not sure how these folks will "get it out of their systems," but I applaud the admins for being as patient as they've been.

barrow-wight

(744 posts)
171. Right.
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:11 PM
May 2016

Not only is the perspective of many of you on her record about as skewed as it gets, the tone many of you take when you present it is hateful as it gets. All one has to do is visit that JimJonesRadicals site to see what many of you think unfettered by a jury system. It's scary as hell.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
200. skewed as opposed to sugar coated ? and when it comes to hateful tone .......
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:20 AM
Jun 2016

the difference between JackPineRadical and Hillary for America (a site started by DUers) is openness everything done and said @ HfA is secret and dark whereas JPR is open and anyone can access their site and view it

why is that?

barrow-wight

(744 posts)
210. I have never seen Hillary for America.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:05 AM
Jun 2016

I can't imagine I'd want to if it's got the same cult of personality vibe that Jacked Up Radical has. I know this is her for some here to understand, but what I find so annoying about the Bernie movement, I would find just as annoying if her people were that way but they seem much more grounded.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
268. perhaps you'd be interested in visiting jackassradicals
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:52 AM
Jun 2016

seeing as you find it "funny" to mock the site's name.

This knockoff site will give you a clue to the mentality of the hillary site mentionedabove, without actually having to google for it.

http://jackassradicals.com/main

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
267. No matter how many times their prediction models fail...
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:04 AM
Jun 2016

It's the system that's misbehaving, not the models...

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
270. that was literally their approach to the 2010, '12, and '14 elections: "our campaigning was PERFECT
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:34 AM
Jun 2016

it's not our fault the voters didn't go for it!"
that's been their approach: to purge, exclude, cull, prune, garden, and otherwise engineer the electorate to keep voting for people who'll make sure the gravy train keeps going: winning seats is secondary to this

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
272. It's............ BIZARRE. BIZARRE. It's the WEIRDEST political system in the world.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:25 PM
Jun 2016

There's nothing like it anywhere else on the planet. It's BARKING FUCKING MAD.

Is there any other human system anywhere in the world where a model for explaining human behaviour fails repeatedly and somehow it's the fault of the people it's trying to model? WHAAAT the FUUUUUUCK? What's happened inside their heads? What's happening to their BRAINS? Has some kind of weird alien virus got in?

WHO arrives at conclusions like this? What do they think ordinary people ARE?

"HI EVERYONE! We've decided to construct our behaviour in a way that is TOTALLY all about giving ourselves maximal leverage over you without your having any say in the matter whatsoever and if you don't like it, well there's pretty obviously something VERY weird about YOU!!! MY GOODNESS, what strange emotional reactions you have to everything!"

I cannot understand how they've managed to end up like this. They go off and invent whatever heroic fantasies they need to (featuring themselves as protagonists) to make them feel good about themselves, populating said fantasies with the rest of us as secondary characters and open their mouths and start talking as if it's all to be taken as read. Then they blink and fluster when real people turn out not to be things on the inside of their heads. And then they get angry! They start throwing toys out of the pram because it's "not fair"!

I think we're dealing with levels of emotional underdevelopment that can't be mitigated against. They've placed so much emotional investment in being able to outsmart people that they're supposed to be cooperating with that they can't be communicated with any more.

I don't see a way of recovering it.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
273. it's got a lot of parts: 1. blaming the voters is just easy, especially when you see
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:33 PM
Jun 2016

them as flipping easily to Pubs rather than disaffected because what 70-90% of the country wants has been blocked
2. they are all certain that they're lefties and progressives--in fact the leftmost fringe possible under the current system; now there's some people who gave up on the party and want to take it back after being indies? nuh-uh
2a. any attacks on them are either originated in the GOP or, by weakening the party, serve the GOP's purposes
3. they're also "pragmatic": they "get things done" while the critics can never be satisfied--why appeal to them?
3a. that's also why they are so close to the megadonors, since you can't win without their millions--
3b. --ironically erasing a lot of the DNC's need to win since the amounts are the same regardless of what happens in the provinces ...
3c. ... so they can punt on a few elections if it'd mean winning with a Dem who'd upset the gravy train

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
275. EXACTLY, it's not a political ideology at all, it's just a bunch of DEBATING TACTICS
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:50 PM
Jun 2016

It's a bunch of debating tactics that have emerged reflexively through previous lost battles instead of establishing a functional ideology through any observation of realpolitik, it's completely eclipsed anything that resembles a desire to relate cause to effect prosaically.

The most profoundly head-cracking thing about it is that they absorb wholesale the assumptions they need to make the debating tactics look reasonable to themselves AS IF THEY ARRIVED AT THEM THROUGH AN ANALYSIS OF EXTERNAL REALITY even when said assumptions contradict each other.

"Excuse me? Sir? Did you notice that thing you just did where you completely re-wrote what you believe just so you get to carry on arguing with your opponent, sir? Uh, sir? Sir? The irony of your implied insistence on principle is lost on no-one but you."
blaming the voters is just easy, especially when you see
I'll go through your stuff

Your list is excellent. I'd add:

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
148. it's different Hillary conceded she had enormous campaign debt that Obama agreed to pay off for her
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:17 PM
May 2016

and she was awarded the SoS position

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
118. I won't
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:59 PM
May 2016

if they want a bunker, let them have it. (Though the place will be fun to watch, like Free Republic, for the same reasons actually)

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
126. Leaving again, are you?
Tue May 31, 2016, 06:07 PM
May 2016

Makes sense I suppose, since you say you're not a Democrat and constantly tell us how much you hate this place.
Oh well, DU will try to soldier on...


nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
9. You do know there are options for those who stand up
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:41 PM
May 2016

To hypocrisy, right?

They have plans and are gathering resources as we speak.

There is also this: http://www.brandnewcongress.org because the movement will not end until the 99% are treated fairly.

Take my hand.......let's keep it moving.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
10. "there is a very good chance that collectively the convention delegates won't elect Hillary Clinton"
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:42 PM
May 2016

There is literally no chance of that happening.

JSup

(740 posts)
11. Unless pro-Bernie...
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:42 PM
May 2016

...and anti-Hillary are synonymous you are basing this opinion on a false premise.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
24. Anti what Hillary represents -- DLC, Corporate and Wall St. owned pseudo centrism and....
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:49 PM
May 2016

the "centrist" antipathy to the idea that the Democratic Party should actually be as strong a Liberal/Progressive Populist (in a good sense) Counterweight to clearly oppose the GOP as the Party of Big Money and Big Power and Narrow-Minded Right Wing Bigotry.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
13. First the Democratic nominee has been clear since March
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:43 PM
May 2016

Second, this is the same policy as in 2008 and 2004. It's not some anti-Sanders plot.

Third this is kind of the general point of the board, to support Democratic candidates.

Fourth, the posts that will be banned are the ones attacking the Democratic nominee for President. If you can't avoid that, that's on you.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
14. I asked all of my questions in "Ask The Admins" today.
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:44 PM
May 2016

I see it two ways. Skinner can spell out his expectations or he can just start shitcanning people. It's his Website, he can do whatever he wants.

But it has been my experience that every time DU goes through a major change, he does spell them out, and quite clearly.

So that's what I asked.

My suggestion is that anyone who has concerns about this should go to ATA and look for his response.

Common sense only goes so far, and there are going to be a shit load of "gray areas," like the one you suggested (criticism of Clinton from anyone, Sanders or not, no matter how it's presented).

I don't know.

Skinner knows.

And I asked him.

Best I can do, folks.

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
26. The Adminstrators are not stupid but I bet they are under enormous pressure to transform DU into a
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:50 PM
May 2016

Hillary Clinton campaign website even before the Democratic Party delegates decide who they want to run for President.

Response to imagine2015 (Reply #26)

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
70. I didn't say that.
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:25 PM
May 2016

It certainly has been implied by various factions over the years. I just know that there is a family connection to the Clinton camp.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,780 posts)
40. Skinner has stayed in AtA that he sees Trump as a threat to the nation
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:00 PM
May 2016

...and he expects DUers to unite behind the Democratic Party nominee to combat that threat.

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
69. And most DU'ers will support the Democratic candidate AFTER the party decides on a candidate!
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:24 PM
May 2016

And that happens at the national convention, not before it is held.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,780 posts)
73. That's not how this is going to play out
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:27 PM
May 2016

Not at DU and not in the media. There is another thread on the recent history of presumptive nominees. You should check it out.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
269. There is another thread on the recent history of presumptive nominees.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:57 AM
Jun 2016

perhaps you could provide a link? I'm wondering how many of those recent presumptive nominees were under FBI investigation and had scathing reports issued by IGs.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,780 posts)
282. Bernie supporters think the report was scathing
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:42 PM
Jun 2016

Most others shrugged it off; noted that Powell and Rice were also cited for wrongdoing; and concluded that little rises to the level of criminality. Sandy Berger stole classified documents from the NARA and ditched them in a construction trailer until he could pick them up. He only got charged with a misdemeanor. I think if the FBI was charging people, they'd have done it by now.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
283. actually, the media described the IG report as scathing
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:56 PM
Jun 2016

I borrowed the description from what I read.

The IG report is about FOIA and record keeping. The FBI investigation is separate and about handling national defense information and public corruption. The FBI won't be charging anybody because that is not their jurisdiction. The make recommendations; Justice either brings charges or doesn't.

Powell, Rice and Berger were not and are not running for president. None of them claimed they didn't have any classified or marked classified information on their private server, only to have thousands of classified documents turnup. None of them had single email instructing aides to strip classified headings from documents and email unsecure. None of them confirmed by email that they understood not to use a blackberry in SE Asia due to security risks and then turned around and used an unsecured blackberry in SW Asia. None of them claimed for a year that they looked forward to talking to the FBI and then refused to cooperate. None of them had aides pleading the 5th. None of them had aides admitting intent to evade FOIA.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,780 posts)
284. OK, I posted that I'd behave and stop arguing, so I'm going to do that
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:42 PM
Jun 2016

Someone will be the Democratic nominee. I will support that person, and I hope you will too.

However, I have to be totally honest: I'm in an Applebees, and it's Karaoke night. I would vote for Trump if he'd pass an edict outlawing Karaoke for all time in public. Seriously, they should use this to make the terrorists talk.

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
77. Your denial of reality doesn't make it any less real.
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:32 PM
May 2016

There will be a presumptive candidate on June 8th.

Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #40)

barrow-wight

(744 posts)
61. In fact
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:15 PM
May 2016

The anti-Hillary bashing will not be allowed after the DC Primary. He's going to give you a warning on June 7th so you have a week to get it out of your system.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910474

barrow-wight

(744 posts)
102. long timer what?
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:49 PM
May 2016

Do you think because you've been on this site longer that you automatically have more interest in political campaigns?

 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
107. I think as a newbie here in 2004, I didn't condescend to those...
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:52 PM
May 2016

...who'd been here much longer than me. My political interest was the same, but I had some manners. That's all. If you're content being the way you are, don't be surprised when you get some backlash.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
135. That one's not a newbie fyi whatever their join date says
Tue May 31, 2016, 06:29 PM
May 2016

Already obsessed with the Stockholm Syndrome thread, Willy, "Bernie Bros" and Bernie’s "racism", "being followed around" (snort), and AAs getting unfair hides amongst other obvious clues to their real alter ego here.

Same writing style too ("whatevs&quot and rudeness.



 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
137. I try not to respond
Tue May 31, 2016, 06:51 PM
May 2016

After reading stuff that is clearly provocative; you know, the kind of stuff that if a person said it face to face with someone, it could probably end in a physical confrontation; I ask myself, "Is that the kind of thing an asshole would say?" If the answer is yes, more often than not, I just put the person on full ignore. As you may have guessed, I've got a lot of people on full ignore here. I've been here since Dean was the front runner back in 2004 and I've never seen it like this. This is what happens when the conservative corporatists take over the party.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
151. Agreed. I'm bummed its come to this actually. I've been here since 2005
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:27 PM
May 2016

The nastiness is outsized now. Without any checks there's tremendous hatred. I know I'll never see some longtime posters in the same way again, many I used to call friends.

The admins clearly hold Bernie supporters in contempt ("letting" us "get it out of our systems&quot .

The alt-DailyKos site is thriving. Despite the current design JPR is growing and with the launch of their new friendlier layout, I suspect it will see big influx after the hammer lands here.

Peace!

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
22. After there are no more contests the primary is over
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:48 PM
May 2016

The convention is not where the nominee is selected, it's a mere formality unless the results are deadlocked enough where a contested convention is necessary. However, that is not the case as Clinton will cross the pledged delegate threshold next week and that will be the end of the primary. In 2008 the same thing happened here, so it's not a new rule.

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
30. You're mistaken. Hillary will not have enough pledged delegates to capture the nomination.
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:54 PM
May 2016

That's just a fact of life no matter how much you may protest it.

You could put up the number of pledged delegates she has now and how many more pledged delegates she needs to secure the nomination.

You could do that. I hope you do! That will prove she can only capture the nomination if enough unpledged superdelegates vote for her.

So go ahead, put up the pledged delegate totals!

So do you think pro-Bernie posts should be banned before the convention decides who to run for President?
 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
153. Skinner will call the election before Hillary has secured the nomination and when Bernie says he is
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:40 PM
May 2016

still running to win the nomination?

That wouldn't be exhibiting impartiality in the election contest for the party nomination if that's actually true.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,780 posts)
154. There's another thread on this
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:42 PM
May 2016

Skinner expects a presumptive nominee 6/7 and is shutting down GD: P debate as of 6/15.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
46. She needs around 256 pledged delegates to reach 2026
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:07 PM
May 2016

Even a tie in California would get here around 240 delegates and when you consider New Jersey, she's going to definitely clinch next week.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
98. She needs 612 pledged delegates to reach 2383.
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:46 PM
May 2016

Not that it matters within DU (which is, after all, only a website), but ...

Hillary has 1771 pledged delegates. Bernie has 1487 pledged delegates (284 fewer than Hill).

Hillary needs 612 more pledged delegates to get to 2383.

There are only 781 pledged delegates left in the remaining nine primaries:

Virgin Islands, PR, CA Mont NJ, NM, ND SD, DC

Even if Hill does well in several states, she will not be able to reach 2383.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
108. Bingo! +1. This primary will be decided on the convention floor.
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:55 PM
May 2016

They can presume the winner will be Hillary, but that's all it is a presumption. I just pray the administrators will also ban anti Bernie posts too during this time frame up until the convention.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
115. Does it really matter what DU allows?
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:58 PM
May 2016

DU is not the center of the Democratic universe -- much less the electoral universe. It's just a website.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
250. In every contest since 1984 when superdelegates began, the election has been "called"
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:30 PM
Jun 2016

when a candidate reaches the "magic number" -- that is, the majority of the combination of pledged and superdelegates. And the superdelegates ARE included in that count.

Hillary was slightly ahead of Obama in the popular vote and yet the race was called -- ahead of the convention -- based on Obama's lead in the delegate count (a much smaller lead than Hillary has now). That's the way it's always been done and it won't change this year.

Blue_Adept

(6,384 posts)
31. It technically lost its meaning when Obama was elected
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:55 PM
May 2016

Democrats hold the white house - and at the time had both the senate and the house. We certainly weren't the "underground" at that point.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
87. silly people expecting PRIVATE ventures to operate as if it were a government entity
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:39 PM
May 2016

...once people are able to get that straight, come to an understanding, a lot of angst would disappear.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
44. Been here since 2004, butif this place is going to go full Free Republic
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:05 PM
May 2016

and start banning people because they didn't support the guy who won...

CountAllVotes

(20,854 posts)
54. +1,000 !!
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:12 PM
May 2016

No kidding! is going on around here anyway?

Should those that don't agree with all that is said related to someone's name that begins with an H and wears a pantsuit most of the time just go away?

Just say the word and I too shall be a distant memory of the past.

Sad really, very.



Happyhippychick

(8,379 posts)
83. This place only has started to resemble Free Republic
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:37 PM
May 2016

When the outrageous venomous attacks startled occurring against the presumptive Democratic nominee.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
207. Like what? Give some examples of these "outrageous venomous attacks."
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:46 AM
Jun 2016

Let's see what your standard for that claim is.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
236. Please, show me some examples of what you consider "outrageous and venomous attacks"
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:53 PM
Jun 2016

They may be "easy to find" but I'm not you, so I don't know what you consider such. Show me, pelase.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
205. Hell, even if he doesn't...
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:42 AM
Jun 2016

Giving a paranoid personality cult the keys seems like a bad idea.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
45. One place to start --
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:06 PM
May 2016

I don't know if you're familiar with the "Ask the Administrators" Group, but lots of people have been using it to inquire about this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1259

So that's a good place to check first. I think the administrator chooses his words pretty carefully. I would be cautious about taking anyone else's word for it.

As I've understood it so far, if "Hillary" is determined to the the nominee or even the "presumptive" nominee, they won't allow any posts that seem to prefer her Republican opponent to her. I'm not sure if information about her that is not total adulation will be disallowed, but probably posts that completely trash her won't be allowed.

However, if the replies in the group don't answer a specific question, you could always write your own question, as others are probably wondering about it also.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
79. Of course not.
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:35 PM
May 2016

They will have made a leap into an imagined future in which Hillary has already been nominated and is not under investigation by the FBI. At that point, DU will exist in that particular imaginary world, and those who prefer reality-based internet communications will have to go elsewhere.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
60. HRC supporters will s.t.r.e.t.c.h the DU 'mandate' to burn any Bernie supporters
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:15 PM
May 2016

Mark this OP post for future ref...

'DU Administrators to not ban posts by supporters of Bernie Sanders that criticize Hillary Clinton's policies until after the Democratic Party has selected their presidential candidate.'

Any and all 'rabid' HRC supporters will push the limits of 'enforcement' of what pertains to 'criticism' of HRC...

DU will become an echo chamber unparalleled this election cycle

HRC is so feckless of a candidate that she's running even against TRUMP... any other candidate should be so far ahead of TRUMP at this moment it's stunning that HRC isn't able to beat the monstrosity that's TRUMP and GOP party

DU will be a become a joke trying to keep HRC on life support through this election cycle with the depth of her unfavorables that she can't clear or get past, that's on her, nobody else can take the blame for that... and every HRC supporter here knows that...

But with the transition from primary to GE fully expect HRC supporters here to push banning and censor to the fullest extent

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
71. Tell Hillary supporters, they'll still be criticizing Bernie
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:25 PM
May 2016

when he takes his campaign to the convention floor.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
78. Nothing in the rules says after June 16 I can't put up a Pro Bernie post. You
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:35 PM
May 2016

need to get your head out of the mud.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
105. It doesn't matter, B Calm
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:51 PM
May 2016

DU is not the Democratic Party. DU is merely a website. A privately owned website. That's all.

still_one

(91,937 posts)
81. Nope, it is the date the official primary season ends, and the
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:37 PM
May 2016

Campaigning against the presumptive nominee will not be tolerated.

No one needs to express a loyalty oath, just no undermining of the presumptive nominee after the primaries are finished

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
95. So sorry, it must be vexing -not to mention tiresome- to return to talking about issues.
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:44 PM
May 2016

You'll need to find a big, fluffy pillow to punch if you think trash-talking our leading candidate is something you need to do. Maybe print out a picture of Clinton so you can get your hate on.

Or maybe, you know, like I said, talk about issues. Remember those? They were what the Sanders campaign was all about...a long, long time ago.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
110. LOL! Throughout 2015 we were begging y'all to discuss issues.
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:55 PM
May 2016

But of course, Hill didn't know what her issues were until aides wrote them up for her. And her supporters have never been interested in issues. They want exactly what she wants: to get her into the WH by hook or by crook. Period. Nothing more. Nothing else matters.

Lodestar

(2,388 posts)
106. I think if Bernie supporters want to plan strategy for the convention
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:51 PM
May 2016

then it might be wise to find another site to do that on. Just saying....

Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
129. People should consider websites/forums that are well known among political junkies.
Tue May 31, 2016, 06:14 PM
May 2016

At this point, only two things matter: 1) influencing the voting public. 2) a place to strategize.

These will not be in the same location.

1) Influencing the voting public -- means known, visible websites. It probably means being around Republicans, but after a year of Hill's Bros, Republicans aren't any big deal.

It's not going to last forever, just a few months.

We are part of the media.

2) Strategizing -- means smaller more private sites for fellow progressives. These are also where we would go for socializing and comfort.

On the bright, bright, bright side: certain unpleasantries will no longer be a factor. Think of what's on your ignore list.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
159. exactly. They will get their echo chamber back but they will lose a lot of members and a lot of
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:55 PM
May 2016

revenue. I'm not even sure I will come back after the GE. If Hillary wins the GE and that is a big if, we will be harassed for criticizing her policies just as we have been harassed for criticizing Obama. The only time dissent is allowed is if there is a Republican president. As you mentioned there are better places on the internet, places where discussion on actual policy is allowed and not just useless cheer leading and cult of personality.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
116. "Bernie Sanders is a great guy" = fine
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:59 PM
May 2016

"Hillary is a flawed candidate but vastly better than Trump" = fine

"Everyone shoukd stay home in November instead of voting for that corporatist Third Way warmonger" = not fine.

This stuff is really not that complicated.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
123. There are very few pro Bernie posts in the main forums.
Tue May 31, 2016, 06:02 PM
May 2016

His supporters aren't that in to promoting him.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
127. Hillary will not have the required amount of 2,383 pledged delegates for a clinch.
Tue May 31, 2016, 06:08 PM
May 2016

They can presume the winner will be Hillary, but that's all it is a presumption.

I just pray the administrators will also ban anti Bernie posts too during the time frame up until the convention, unless Bernie drops out of the race before then. After all we're suppose to be focusing on Trump, right?

libodem

(19,288 posts)
130. I've seen a few Posts
Tue May 31, 2016, 06:14 PM
May 2016

Personally requesting, Skinner, to just finally declare her the winner, after California. They'd like to shut us up now.

They have their cave, to plot snark in, at that other site. They could stop doing it here. Mean girls.

PufPuf23

(8,687 posts)
131. Skinner et al have every right to do what they will with DU.
Tue May 31, 2016, 06:14 PM
May 2016

Skinner has been up front about his intentions at DU.

Skinner has been up front about personal support for Hillary Clinton yet has allowed much criticism (which IMO is valid and I have posted my share).

I don't think DU has been 100% fair regards Clinton vs Sanders.

In general, the Clinton supporters have been allowed to abuse Sanders supporters with little consequence.

Skinner says that the jury system is broken and I agree, but also that the jury system has been biased in favor of Clinton supporters.

I have my own personal experience. I have had two posts hidden at DU.

(1) "Hillary Clinton is a psychopath". Title to a post that contained the infamous video of Hillary Clinton "We came ... He Died" I am OK with this.

(2) "Who cares what you think? nt" Response to a long thread started by Bravnak. There was probably a dozen or more posts by Bravnak in the thread more worthy of a hide and ultimately Bravnak was locked out of their own thread by a hide.

I seldom use the alert function, don't lock or otherwise limit other posters, and was on a jury nearly every day

I have used the alert function now 4X but when this occurred 3X - one hide, one non-hide, and two someone else beat you with an alert.

The one hide ended up the subject of a long and mocking post in the Hillary Clinton group. The alert was presented as alert stalking and conspiracy to "hide" against the poster. The poster said they were going to Admins to get my jury ability removed. Nothing happened then.

About two weeks later I had a neutral interaction with the poster my alert caused the hidden post that resulted in the long Hillary Clinton group thread. I seldom PM but PMed the poster in a respectful and collegial manner and told them the OP and thread in the Hillary Clinton group was a flight of fantasy (or similar words) as it was only my 3rd alert and I did not alert stalk nor work as a team ever and strived to be fair when I was on a jury, maybe on that time and day I was somewhat thin skinned in the moment. The poster thanked me and asked for links to the threads which I provided. Evidently the poster went to Admin as from that moment on April 27 I have never had a jury notification after 100s before. I admit I have hid more posts from Clinton supporters than Sanders supporters but only because the Clinton supporters generated more alerts. Other than that I have been fair and adhere to TOS; I did read threads when on jury and sometimes did vary some in context of the give and take of posts. Point is that I was not guilty of being an unfair and biased juror but an Admin thought I was not a qualified juror. There was no notification, just that I have never since received a jury summons.

So I have an experience to note that DU is not always fair (and admittedly DU does not have to be fair). DU is just another place in the USA and life where some are more equal than others.

I don't intend to leave DU unless I am banned but will probably post less (more like my history at DU) and somewhat walk the edge, accustomed to being loyal opposition.

TrueDemVA

(250 posts)
132. What about posts regarding Hillary's own record
Tue May 31, 2016, 06:22 PM
May 2016

Will stating facts about her own past policy positions be alerted?

TrueDemVA

(250 posts)
157. Ha ha ha
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:49 PM
May 2016

This place is getting nutty. I guess centrist/moderate underground is on the way. Too bad. I really enjoyed reading post on here for the past 7, going on 8 years. This has been my go to.

smiley

(1,432 posts)
166. I've been lurking here for 12 years....
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:59 PM
May 2016

Love this site.... but if it goes full on pro-Hillary mode, then count me out. I can't support a corrupt and dishonest politician.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
190. I think a lot of us are going to miss it
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:54 PM
May 2016

But this place has gotten progressively more nutty over the years. I can't believe I'm watching the place that was built against Bushco swear fealty to it an its policies.

But as a political science experiment, DU was amazing.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
281. We'll get it out of our systems very easily. After watching the various purges and the abuse of
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:22 PM
Jun 2016

liberals and progressives I've witnessed here over the years I have to agree that it was a political science experiment for the third way.

tritsofme

(17,320 posts)
134. Your denial is deeply deeply pathetic. Skinner giving you a boost of reality is actually a huge gift
Tue May 31, 2016, 06:29 PM
May 2016

You should thank him.

jcgoldie

(11,582 posts)
140. "not enough pledged delegates"
Tue May 31, 2016, 06:58 PM
May 2016

Good grief that mathematically ignorant argument is so damn tired. Are you the kid that kept insisting Santa was real until he was 12?

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
141. It's an acknowledgment of how weak and vulnerable they think she actually is.
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:05 PM
May 2016

Authoritarian RW are very frightened and controlling creatures.

That's what is rearing it's ugly head here

Renew Deal

(81,801 posts)
150. The same rules were in place 2004, 2008, and for those that didn't get their pony in 2012
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:18 PM
May 2016

It's nothing new and the same rules would have applied if Bernie won.

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
144. I think that Skinner has had enough of the people who live in denial.
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:10 PM
May 2016

Hillary's pledged delegate advantage, and even her large popular vote advantage, make her the prospective nominee. Therefore, it's about time that after the last vote has been counted, we pivot to Trump.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
152. The primary here is over when the voting ends.
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:33 PM
May 2016

You won't be able to bash Hillary anymore after 5-16-16

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
176. Why should we feel unsafe? Hmmm. I hope that's not meant as a threat of some sort.
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:41 PM
May 2016

The admin said the 16th is the day. That's it and that's all. Arguing with me has absolutely no effect on how things will go. It's done. Deal.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
178. Obviously you (the collective you) feel unsafe since you feel the desperate need to censor opinions
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:16 PM
May 2016

critical of a potential candidate.

Why do people feel threatened by it? Is the candidate THAT weak on the issues??

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
168. well
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:00 PM
May 2016

I know then when it's time for me to leave.that is when it becomes clinton underground.me and all other bernie supporters can
leave and never return.

 

litlbilly

(2,227 posts)
185. Once that happens, no one in their right mind will use DU as a legit source for anything. It
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:10 PM
May 2016

will make this site worthless IMO.

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
182. These days...
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:57 PM
May 2016

... There are very few Pro Bernie threads. There are however a plethora of anti-Hillary threads. Try not to confuse the two.

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
216. Thanks...
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:39 AM
Jun 2016

...for confirming my opinion concerning some Bernie supporter's priorities.

Bernie: " I'M NUMBER TWO!! I'M NUMBER TWO!!!!"🙌🙌🙌

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
195. "And that is to make DU a Hillary Clinton convention tool..."
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:41 AM
Jun 2016

The grand conspiracies keep getting grander.

The vast majority of people have never even heard of DU, but it's a potential convention tool? M'kay.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
201. You're right.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:24 AM
Jun 2016

It makes much more sense for everyone to just pretend that we don't know what the outcome of the Convention will be.

That way, we can all act surprised when Hillary is declared the nominee - much more fun that way, no?

cstanleytech

(26,080 posts)
214. There is a difference though between having an honest difference of opinion and just trying to stir
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:16 AM
Jun 2016

shit up and the stirring shit up is what I think skinner is referring to not being allowed.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
217. we have our nominee on June 6th skinner is being gracious to allow the bashing of her until the 16th
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:00 AM
Jun 2016

and he will be busy with daily house cleaning as so many don't believe the rules apply to them

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
220. Who posts "pro-Bernie" OPs on DU these days?
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:45 AM
Jun 2016

Most of DU's Bernie supporters gave that up long ago and switched to an "all anti-Hillary all the time" OP format.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
223. They dropped the idea of 'issues' a long time ago.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:38 AM
Jun 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
222. I hope that if someone finds another good site for discussion that doesn't have the censorship
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:36 AM
Jun 2016

they will post it to let us know where we can go to get freedom of speech back.
Thanks in advance.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
239. I guess I'll have to patronize that Naveed fellow at that other website.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:29 PM
Jun 2016

I hear he's a comparatively enlightened and tolerant sort.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
242. It sounds funny when you demo the reasoning out loud
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:03 PM
Jun 2016

Campaigns involve contrast. Candidate B's actions are not under FBI investigation while Candidate C's are under investigation. Etc.

The facts, even the ones from editorials from The New York Times editorials, have an anti-Clinton agenda and must no longer be mentioned. Maybe if we use acronyms? The Goldman Sachs speeches transcripts can be referred to as TGSST. So maybe we'll be allowed to say we agree with The New York Times about releasing TGSST?

I doubt it though.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
245. Are you being forced to participate here? You're not even a Star Member who contributed...
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:12 PM
Jun 2016

...but you think it's your place to question the DU admins motives? Denigrate them for exercising their right to vote as they see fit, rather than how you demand?

The Democratic Party has already selected its nominee by voting. The convention is a formality.

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
264. The Democratic Party has not picked anyone to run for President no matter how much you protest that
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:57 PM
Jun 2016

It appears you just don't understand the Democratic Party primary and convention rules and nominating process.

That's unfortunate.

Perhaps someone can explain the delegate rules and procedures to you but I don't really have enough time to take on that task.

Case Closed.

still_one

(91,937 posts)
251. no they won't, and neither will pro-Hillary supporters as long as they follow the TOS after the
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:36 PM
Jun 2016

primaries

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
255. Oh what bullshit. Problems with reading comprehension? Where did you see that?
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:40 PM
Jun 2016

We're not going to play pretend, that we don't have a presumptive nominee, after June 14th, per Skinner.

Don't like it? Simple solution - go somewhere else. You haven't been here for even a year yet so I'm sure you can adjust.

PS - we don't have "pretend delegates" that don't count yet. That's another Bernie edict that he has no authority to make true.

rurallib

(62,342 posts)
259. I just read the Skinner post. It says nothing like you claim.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:47 PM
Jun 2016

Strongly suggest you reread and repost.
But I will not see it. My ignore list now has nearly as many Berners as Hillaryites.
Welcome aboard.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
261. Half of it is complete bullshit anyway and has no business being posted here.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:27 PM
Jun 2016

But it lives forever no matter how many times it's shown to be completely bogus.

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