This time in 2008, I was really angry that Clinton was not dropping out

[Armstead]

I supported Obama, and wanted the fighting of the primary to be over and have Clinton safely fading away in the rear view mirror.

Her stubborn refusal to do so until the "last dog died" despite all of the calls from the media and Party to quit and stop being obstructionist was very frustrating.

Now the shoe is admittedly on the other foot for all concerned. Here are the Clinton supporters pushing for Bernie to GET OUT NOW, and let Clinton take it all over now. And here am I and other Sanders supporters saying he has every right to stay in until the end of the process.

There is no cosmic conclusion to be drawn from that except to say, I understand how Clinton supporters feel. But I still don't think he should just walk away before the process is officially over.

We all have our glass houses I guess.

[Ash_F]

1. I am also angry at Clinton for not dropping out.

This year.

[geek tragedy]

4. yes, how dare she win, doesn't she know her place? nt

[Ash_F]

5. What's her plan if she is charged a month before the election?

Two months?

A week?

A day?

Gotta have a plan. They got on Bernie's case for allegedly not sharing details

[geek tragedy]

15. what's Bernie's plan if he's abducted by UFOs?

She's not going to be indicted

[Ash_F]

17. You don't know.

You just know she is being investigated and one person connected to the situation got a deal from the FBI. Maybe two.

PS - It's not a good sign for the big fish when a little fish gets a deal.

[geek tragedy]

23. wish upon a star .... nt

[Ash_F]

27. Don't be juvenile

I don't know if she will be charged, but it is not a good sign that they haven't dropped this case yet.

[geek tragedy]

29. obviously Clinton wishes this were already done with, but they're going to be very painstaking about

this so that they can't be accused of half-assing it by partisans on either side.

[Ash_F]

32. Either way the FBI is going to get a lot of scrutiny over it.

I feel that Comey's press conference a while back, to confirm the investigation, was also to telegraph that it will take a while.

If they charge her before the convention, it will hurt the party, but it will be recoverable. But what is the plan if it happens after the convention?

[rhett o rick]

26. The problem is she thinks she is entitled to the presidency and so do those that

have never wanted her to have to participate in a primary. Her followers think we should all take their example and blindly follow her like she is the chosen one. But she hasn't won. It's in the 8th inning and apparently your side is terrified to continue. The fact you guys keep demanding we pay homage is very telling.

[mythology]

35. You seem to be confused

She's winning the primary handily. It's Sanders' supporters who think he's entitled to the presidency given that they want it handed to the guy who is behind by every measure.

She won back in March when she won the Ohio, North Carolina etc primaries. He can keep running until after the last primary. It won't make a bit of difference. Trying to make a case after that would be rather sad.

[One Black Sheep]

7. +1000

Same here! In my humble opinion, it was very selfish of her to run this year, and put her blazing thirst for power and life-long ambition above the people and the Democratic party. She is such a flawed candidate that if she does lose, that means she single-handedly took the whole party down with her in her quest for power. That is selfish beyond belief...

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. In 2008 I was mildly ammused

in 2016 after the GAO report came out, I am worried the Ds are about to hand over the WH to a fascist, and this has not one thing to do with Bernie, I expect a low turnout election... which is bad for dems, and this to continue, So before I gave Trump an even chance, now it is higher.

And how the party goes for plan B if they wake up, is their business. I really do not care who replaces a weak, damaged, and uninspiring candidate under a huge legal cloud. This is no longer partisan noise. She is. It is what it is.

But I will soon let them have their bunker to themselves, IT will not be easy, but I will not let them blame the rest of us for this impeding Weimar Republic level mistake.

I suspect it is time to start considering where I can get asylum though. It is that real for me.

I personally find it liberating not to fall in love with politicians That is part of the problem.

[geek tragedy]

3. I was mad at her in 2008, appalled by how she behaved down the stretch

But she won me over at the convention

Sanders has a similar opportunity, hope he makes the most of it (not that my approval is necessary)

[Armstead]

6. The future is as yet unwritten

Sanders might fight till the convention and maybe beyond.

Or he might become an incredibly potent ally against Trump.

One never knows....

[geek tragedy]

16. he opened his campaign like Woodstock.

I think we all hope he'll end it like Woodstock instead of like Altamont Speedway.

[Raster]

24. Oh my Gawd, The Stones are playing the convention?

[geek tragedy]

25. security would hopefully be more professional nt

[Raster]

28. No shit... although if we wanted to stay with the "motorcycle gang" theme....

...my vote is for Dykes on Bikes!

[rhett o rick]

33. I don't think there is any question. Sen Sanders is a hard fighter because he believes in

what he is fighting for, but he is not stupid. He will help Clinton defeat Trump. That doesn't at all mean he wont continue to fight for the rights of the People beyond the convention.

[HubertHeaver]

8. Her "stubborn refusal" to concede in 2008 kept the news focus on the Democratic campaign.

If you recall 2004, when Kerry had the nomination in hand in March, the campaign went "dark". When the Democratic Party tried to re-ignite the campaign, Ronnie died and sucked up the news coverage for all of June. After that, it was exceptionally difficult to get any traction at all.

Our goal should be to keep Chris Mathews breathless. Maybe he'll hyperventilate and pass out on the air.

[Armstead]

39. well the Chris Matthews part would certainly be a fringe benefit

[Bluenorthwest]

9. I supported Obama and wanted them both in the race until the end for the good of the Party

and the country. Same thing I wanted this year. Got it both times. Lucky me.

[cynatnite]

10. I was disappointed Hillary dropped out in 2008...

but the writing was on the wall and it was important to unite the Dems. Not only that, I liked Obama a lot. The switch wasn't a difficult thing for me.

I do understand the need to fight until the end, but at the same time I do worry about party unity and beating Trump when the time comes.

I do hope that Bernie will come to see in the next few weeks that the nomination is not his and he will do the right thing by endorsing Hillary. I fear what a convention fight will mean for the Dems and that it could potentially be a disaster where it helps Trump walk into the WH.

After the primaries in California and New Jersey, should Hillary win those...I hope Bernie will see that it's time to rally together to keep a Dem in the WH.

I also hope he takes the loss as gracefully as Hillary did when she conceded and threw her support behind Barack Obama.

[merrily]

11. 2008 is not 2016, Hillary is not Obama, Trump is not McCain and other

circumstances are also different.

Among many other things, Obama was not being investigated at the time or accused of violating federal law and Sanders has no deal to cut about running 8 years from now.

[Ned_Devine]

20. ^^^THIS^^^

[Bob41213]

12. At least you admit it.

[Downwinder]

13. I don't like to see anyone drop out.

The voters deserve multiple choices.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

18. Even after the voting? N.T.

[peace13]

14. I would say the case is a little different this time.

Without mentioning any Hill negatives.

[Tal Vez]

19. I couldn't agree with you more.

It takes an effort to try to see how this situation looks to someone on the other side, but it's something that all of us should try to do. I like both of these candidates, but there is only room for one. They may have some not so major differences, but in the context of a Republican Congress, the differences are probably meaningless. I have given significant weight to which of the two might be better at making some progress in a very difficult legislative environment. But, again, I like and could support either one of them as a nominee.

I hope everyone feels that way.

[LoverOfLiberty]

21. Thanks for this thread

I've (mostly silently) disagreed with you since my return to DU but I appreciate your reflection. Its helpful for both sides to hear.

[joshcryer]

22. She did drop out, though, and did this:

Sanders has every right to stay in this even though Clinton has 4x as many delegates more than Obama had over her in 2008.

But he should, and very likely will, follow Clinton's footsteps as a graceful loser.

[tonyt53]

30. Sadly, I think he will only follow that endorsement with a "but".

[joshcryer]

31. I don't see him being as graceful.

For instance, I don't see him releasing his delegates. I hope he does, but it wouldn't fit the narrative.

[k8conant]

34. This is supposed to be fun...

or so I thought.

The real way to avoid all this hullaballoo would be to have a nationwide primary in June.

Better yet, make the presidency non-partisan and have the top two (or three) from the primary run in the general election!

Just musing here, but I think our whole presidential election system is screwed up.

[LoverOfLiberty]

36. You've got to work with what you've got

not with what you want.

[k8conant]

37. Still you have to work for what you want

not for what you don't want.

[Trenzalore]

38. I was for Obama in 2008 and Clinton now

The only thing I ask of Bernie in closing it out is to do no harm. If on June 14th the super delegates are flocking to Clinton acknowledge defeat and move forward to the general election.