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trof

(54,255 posts)
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:36 PM May 2016

OK, listen up! I'm just gonna say this ONE time:

If you do not vote for whoever has the (D) after their name on the ballot for the presidency, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?

If you stay home because your candidate didn't get the nomination, you might as well vote for thuh Donald.

I'm 75 years old.
I've been around here since '02.
I've seen a lot of stuff, but NEVER like the bitterness between the two camps now.

Jesus, people?
Come on.

I vow that I will ardently support and work for whoever gets the Democratic nomination.

Who's with me?

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OK, listen up! I'm just gonna say this ONE time: (Original Post) trof May 2016 OP
Vote a straight Democratic ticket! (n/t) PJMcK May 2016 #1
*Raises Hand* LP2K12 May 2016 #2
I am with you! Tal Vez May 2016 #3
I would vote for Sanders. NCTraveler May 2016 #4
Thank you. That's all I'm asking. trof May 2016 #7
Yep. NCTraveler May 2016 #10
I will ardently work against Donald Trump The Velveteen Ocelot May 2016 #5
I'll look into it Press Virginia May 2016 #6
I would make you some popcorn. And a Margarita. trof May 2016 #9
I will always vote for the D ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #27
I'm getting the blender out now. trof May 2016 #29
Not fussy either way. NanceGreggs May 2016 #32
I'm totally in. we can do it May 2016 #8
Trump would be the worst President ever. nt oasis May 2016 #11
I will vote for anybody but Trump. I have been watching that self promoting asshole doc03 May 2016 #12
i am thinking i am not going to vote against my own self interests Viva_La_Revolution May 2016 #13
Please, PLEASE try. trof May 2016 #17
i live in oregon, it will go dem anyway, with or without my vote Viva_La_Revolution May 2016 #18
"I don't need to vote." mahatmakanejeeves May 2016 #41
no, i don't want to vote for either of them Viva_La_Revolution May 2016 #68
Ditto! brush May 2016 #14
it was pretty bitter here in '08 RazBerryBeret May 2016 #15
sorry, no more lesser of two evils for me. nt restorefreedom May 2016 #16
I read your journal and profile. trof May 2016 #23
What does that D stand for... coco77 May 2016 #35
Hillary is not the greater good. Fawke Em Jun 2016 #87
Or for me. 840high May 2016 #52
I agree! Still hoping for different outcome... Cooley Hurd May 2016 #19
What Cooley said! nt babylonsister May 2016 #34
The next 30 years of Supreme Court decisions is at stake Fresh_Start May 2016 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #21
I'm thinking that the combination of incrementalism, neoliberal economics and jeff47 May 2016 #22
OK, yeah, but is that a 'yes' or a 'no'? trof May 2016 #24
Welcome to the world you gave us. jeff47 May 2016 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #31
Please forgive me. trof May 2016 #33
Given that you've been arguing so strongly to continue down the road that brought us here jeff47 May 2016 #38
Ditto. seekthetruth May 2016 #44
+10 840high May 2016 #53
There you go. +100 Scootaloo May 2016 #59
and so what will deliver puffy socks May 2016 #66
Time. jeff47 May 2016 #69
I'm not. She doesn't need (nor deserve) my vote. Throd May 2016 #25
She has made no effort to distance herself from her Wall Street cronies... Yurovsky May 2016 #47
I will vote for whoever gets the nomination. barrow-wight May 2016 #26
I will vote the D ticket against Donald Trump if my state (Illinois) could flip to red Martin Eden May 2016 #30
It was pretty bad around here in 2008. madaboutharry May 2016 #36
Donald Trump is a real threat to all life on Earth. Bleacher Creature May 2016 #37
What am I thinking? seekthetruth May 2016 #39
I'll write Bernie's name in. 840high May 2016 #54
Ditto SciFiRK Jun 2016 #82
I'll vote against Donald Trump. Exilednight May 2016 #40
Amen. I'm a Bernie supporter who will vote a straight Demo. ticket. Laffy Kat May 2016 #42
I'm with you!!! intheozone May 2016 #43
So we should enthusiastically vote for our abuser? AZ Progressive May 2016 #45
Only if you want the 840high May 2016 #56
I will vote down ticket, my state is do red Duckhunter935 May 2016 #46
Donald Trump is a nightmare Haveadream May 2016 #48
If one does not vote for the Democratic nominee... quickesst May 2016 #49
In my book - I can't trust 840high May 2016 #57
Sorry I have to say this but.... quickesst May 2016 #67
You are 75 but you somehow missed out on the 2008 primary fight? AgingAmerican May 2016 #50
I am totally in! WhiteTara May 2016 #51
I'm with you. baldguy May 2016 #55
Well, I'm glad you're going to say it only once. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #58
D Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #60
You seem like a sincere person, but I just cannot stomach voting for someone who: jack_krass May 2016 #61
If Hillary gets the nomination... and I said "IF"... mac56 May 2016 #62
Understand completely Lazy Daisy May 2016 #63
I'l be 75 in a couple months and I've been a Democrat as long as I can remember tularetom May 2016 #64
And who are you? ibegurpard May 2016 #65
I have my clothespin ready. progressoid Jun 2016 #70
Only an utter moron, or a very sad and bitter person, would disagree (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #71
Yellow-Dog Democrat for life... VOX Jun 2016 #72
trof—What are your thoughts, feelings on Ds, Hillary, and Bernie with leadership, platform, etc.? CobaltBlue Jun 2016 #73
Well said, trof. GOTV, DU. FSogol Jun 2016 #74
I am totally! workinclasszero Jun 2016 #75
Thank you! I'm standing with you. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #76
She won't be on the ballot Merryland Jun 2016 #77
With you! auntpurl Jun 2016 #78
Write In Faux pas Jun 2016 #79
With you all the way to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue! MoonRiver Jun 2016 #80
I will not through action or inaction, support the Trumpenfurher. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #81
I'm not with you. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #83
Tore all four points straight out of my mouth, well done. VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #84
I'm thinking I want someone who isn't a corporate warmonger who supports fracking icecreamfan Jun 2016 #85
Yep. n/t Orsino Jun 2016 #86

LP2K12

(885 posts)
2. *Raises Hand*
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:38 PM
May 2016

I'm all in with ya. Bernie supporter, but will vote for whoever ends up on the ballot with a D next to his/her name.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
10. Yep.
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:41 PM
May 2016

I wouldn't think I was voting for the lesser of two evils, either. While I'm big for Clinton I can find many many admirable traits and qualities about Sanders.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,267 posts)
5. I will ardently work against Donald Trump
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:39 PM
May 2016

and will vote for the Democratic nominee.

I thought 2008 was worse, but the pettiness of some of the arguments turning up in GD-P is getting on my nerves. Maybe a lot of folks need to go on vacation for a bit.

trof

(54,255 posts)
29. I'm getting the blender out now.
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:14 PM
May 2016

Oh wait...did you want 'frozen' or on the rocks?
I like OTR myself.

doc03

(35,143 posts)
12. I will vote for anybody but Trump. I have been watching that self promoting asshole
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:43 PM
May 2016

for like 30 years, couldn't stand the SOB 30 years ago.

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
13. i am thinking i am not going to vote against my own self interests
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:46 PM
May 2016

I will try to change my mind enough to vote for hillary, but honestly i don't know if i can.

trof

(54,255 posts)
17. Please, PLEASE try.
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:55 PM
May 2016

You know this.
Every vote that the Dem doesn't get puts Trump closer to the oval office.
Think about that.
How long would it take us to recover from that?
He would have the guy with the 'football' and the nuclear codes.
As a veteran, just the thought of him as CinC makes me want to vomit.
If for nothing else, do it for me and other current and former members of the military.
They deserve better.
Thank you.

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
18. i live in oregon, it will go dem anyway, with or without my vote
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:58 PM
May 2016

I imagine turnout will be way down tho

RazBerryBeret

(3,075 posts)
15. it was pretty bitter here in '08
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:48 PM
May 2016

remember PUMA? yeah.
I think people will need a cooling off period -- between the convention and the election.
right now emotions are high...

trof

(54,255 posts)
23. I read your journal and profile.
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:08 PM
May 2016

And I think I understand where you're coming from.
I've voted for the lesser of two evils before.
Mainly in state and local politics.
Lord knows we have a plenty of that in Alabama.
Do you vote for the racist George Wallace, or the racist John Patterson?
Yeah, I'm that old.

But I still thought it was best for my state to vote for the less evil.
(It was Patterson)

As I said in the OP, I'm 75.
This may be the last presidential race I'll see.
Who knows?
So I'll make a totally hokie emotional appeal.
Please just do me, a sad old man, a personal favor and swallow your pride and principles, and vote D.
For the greater good.
And for me.
And a Margarita.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
87. Hillary is not the greater good.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:41 PM
Jun 2016

Neither is Trump.

Sorry, I can't vote for a person I think is criminally corrupt and I think both Hillary and The Donald are.

Good luck.

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
19. I agree! Still hoping for different outcome...
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:59 PM
May 2016

...but no chance I will vote for anyone but a Democrat in November.

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
20. The next 30 years of Supreme Court decisions is at stake
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:00 PM
May 2016

maybe you enjoyed Citizens United
maybe you delighted in hobby lobby
maybe you can't wait for the next Shelby County versus Holder

In that case, stay home or write in your protest vote but don't complain when the SC decides the next Bush v Gore

Response to trof (Original post)

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
22. I'm thinking that the combination of incrementalism, neoliberal economics and
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:06 PM
May 2016

neoconservative foreign policy has doomed Miami to the ocean, wrecked the economy multiple times, greatly expanded income inequality, started multiple wars as "business opportunities", and created massive numbers of refugees.

I'd like to not lose more coastal cities. I'd like an economy that does not only enrich the vultures. I'd like us to stop delivering large quantities of freedom bombs, and then pretend we are surprised when the results are massively unstable.

And incrementalism, neoliberal economics and neoconservative foreign policy can't deliver that. No matter what letter is after a person's name.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
28. Welcome to the world you gave us.
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:14 PM
May 2016

Now, tell me again how utterly critical a letter is. Maybe this time you'll manage to make it more important than the widespread droughts and famine we'll get to enjoy.

Response to jeff47 (Reply #28)

trof

(54,255 posts)
33. Please forgive me.
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:18 PM
May 2016

I tried my ass off, but I just couldn't get enough others of my generation to get involved.
mea culpa

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
38. Given that you've been arguing so strongly to continue down the road that brought us here
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:20 PM
May 2016

I don't think the problem was the "others".

 

seekthetruth

(504 posts)
44. Ditto.
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:25 PM
May 2016

Of course, the establishment would give Trump 24/7 news coverage just to scare the shit out of all of us to allow Her Majesty to ascend to her rightful throne....and voila! All you guys are falling for it!

Like the old The Who song says, I'm not getting fooled again......

jeff47 is hitting the nail on the head!

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
66. and so what will deliver
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:45 PM
May 2016

"an economy that does not only enrich the vultures, stop delivering large quantities of freedom bombs"

If not incrementalism then what? A violent coup?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
69. Time.
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:32 PM
May 2016

The people terrified of trying are gradually "leaving the voting pool". They are being replaced by younger voters not constantly trembling about losses 50 years ago, and so are not nearly as terrified.

And much more importantly, those new voters have little more to lose.

Unfortunately, time means we already will have a great deal of devastation. But incrementalism can not undo that either.

Throd

(7,208 posts)
25. I'm not. She doesn't need (nor deserve) my vote.
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:11 PM
May 2016

I live in a solidly blue state. She'll win here anyway.

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
47. She has made no effort to distance herself from her Wall Street cronies...
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:36 PM
May 2016

Obviously she needs their money more than progressive votes.

barrow-wight

(744 posts)
26. I will vote for whoever gets the nomination.
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:13 PM
May 2016

If it's Sanders, I will hold my nose and hope for the country, but Trump is truly a no go for me.

Martin Eden

(12,801 posts)
30. I will vote the D ticket against Donald Trump if my state (Illinois) could flip to red
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:15 PM
May 2016

Beyond that, I do not have the stomach to work for the Clinton campaign.

I'm a youthful 58, but already fed up with lesser evils.

madaboutharry

(40,148 posts)
36. It was pretty bad around here in 2008.
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:19 PM
May 2016

During the primaries in 2008, Democratic Underground was Ground Zero for the Primary Wars. It was awful. The bitterness and well, the venom, was impossible. But somehow as we rolled toward election day and President Obama took office, things calmed down. For years, everyone around here was on the "We hate George W. Bush" page and there was a common enemy. Almost overnight members were fighting and longtime DU friends were blocking each other. It was kind of sad. This doesn't surprise me. People get passionate about candidates. It is a lot like religion. Everyone thinks they're right. Hopefully, once the primaries end, people will come together and understand that the goal is to make sure Trump isn't elected. I hope we are all grown up enough to understand this.

Bleacher Creature

(11,235 posts)
37. Donald Trump is a real threat to all life on Earth.
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:20 PM
May 2016

I will vote for anyone with a legitimate chance to beat him. In a two party system, that only means the Democratic nominee. Period.

 

seekthetruth

(504 posts)
39. What am I thinking?
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:21 PM
May 2016

Well, nowadays just because someone has a "D" beside their name doesn't mean their views or policies are in line with mine. Sorry.....I'll probably vote Green this time around.

I know, I know, all you guys are going to say that I'm basically voting for Trump. But, in my view, Trump or Clinton, it'll all the same fucked up machine.

Laffy Kat

(16,354 posts)
42. Amen. I'm a Bernie supporter who will vote a straight Demo. ticket.
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:24 PM
May 2016

Regardless of the nominee, because I love my country. It's simple.

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
48. Donald Trump is a nightmare
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:38 PM
May 2016

Donald Trump wants to eliminate the Dept of Education. He wants to eliminate the Environmental Protection Agency. He wants to eliminate Affordable Healthcare and put everyone's health into the hands of the "free market system". He wants to privatize Social Security. He wants to increase production of fossil fuels in the US. He wants to "bomb" ISIS. He wants to build a wall between the US and Mexico. He wants to deport 11 million people. He wants to ban muslims from entering the country. He wants to reinstitute waterboarding and torture not just for suspected terrorists but their families, too. He is against abortion and wants to punish women if they have one. He is a proud racist, xenophobe and sexist. He has promised to put conservatives on the Supreme Court. He thinks the minimum wage is already too high. He wants to get much tougher on crime and drugs, especially in cities. He wants to expand gun rights so people can have pretty much any kind of gun they want.

Trump is the red meat the conservatives have been waiting for.

I am a Hillary supporter but if Bernie were to win the nomination, I would work my heart out to get him elected. I will do everything I can to prevent Trump from ever getting close to the White House and the chance to ruin the lives of generations of people here and abroad.

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
49. If one does not vote for the Democratic nominee...
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:42 PM
May 2016

.... then the Supreme Court, POC, women, children, this country, and the earth itself take a backseat to flawed ideology driven by selfish ego.

DEMOCRAT 2016!!!

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
58. Well, I'm glad you're going to say it only once.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:04 PM
May 2016

But, I'm sure the copycats will pick up the Loyalty Oath demand for you.

 

jack_krass

(1,009 posts)
61. You seem like a sincere person, but I just cannot stomach voting for someone who:
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:08 PM
May 2016

-most likely has taken hundreds of millions in bribes (ostensibly "giving speeches&quot . At *best* she used her position of power and connections to make sick amounts of money.

-has shown willingness to blow up countries like Iraq and Libya, causing mass death and chaos. I see her doing this on a larger scale if achieving POTUS.

-switches positions constantly on (what I believe are) critical issues, like LGBT, trade, the environment, gun policy, and others.

-has shown no inent to stop our disasterous drug war, most likely due to being beholden to prison, pharmaceutical, and millitary corporations. These catastrophic policies are still locking people (disproportionlly minorities) up at historical rates, causing harm not only to inmates, but chain reaction on their spouses, children, etc.

-just comes across as a fake, phoney person, her fake accent when talking in black churches, for example, makes me want to vomit.

I hate Trump too, but dont have the visceral reaction to him that I do with Hillary. I think probably because Hillary represents herself as someone good, someone on my side, as a progressive.

mac56

(17,561 posts)
62. If Hillary gets the nomination... and I said "IF"...
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:09 PM
May 2016

She will get my vote.

Ardent support? I'm not there yet, and I may not get there this time. My dime and my time will go for downticket races. There's where my ardent support will be.

I am not convinced that she is a superior candidate to Bernie. I'd prefer to vote for the candidate I think will best lead our country.

I hate to cast my vote out of fear (what if Trump wins?) or shame (what if Hillary loses? It's all you damn Bernie people's fault).

It's like praying I don't get sick, when I could be improving my habits instead.

But she will get my vote, IF she gets the nomination.



 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
63. Understand completely
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:12 PM
May 2016

But then there is the other side of the argument.

Allow me, if you will, to be "flowery" in my assessment:

There are only 2 places to eat. Everyday you eat at place #1. You love the place, although recently you've been getting a slight stomach ache from eating there. Nothing horrible, just a bit of heartburn. You've asked them to change the way they prepare the food, they say they will, but the changes they make don't stop the stomach ache, in fact it stays around longer.

place #2 is just too foul to eat at. Eating there gives you 3 days of retching and dysentery, so hell no, not gonna eat there

If you don't eat at #1 for just 1 day, there is a very good chance they will FINALLY get it and make the necessary changes needed to stop the slight queasiness you get from ingesting their food.

What to do? Do you:
A) keep eating at #1, keep trying to tell them to change and hope for the best?
B) try finding a #3. You've seen the signs in the window "coming soon" but the place never opens up
C) choke down the meal at #2. Deal with the sickness it causes the best you can and force #1 to pay attention

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
64. I'l be 75 in a couple months and I've been a Democrat as long as I can remember
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:31 PM
May 2016

My grandparents had a photograph of FDR hanging in their kitchen and they loved the man because he brought electricity to their farm and kept the bank off their butt during the depth of the depression. Friends of my granddad founded the electric cooperative that established service in their area of rural Tennessee after the passage of the Rural Electrification Act in 1935.

My mom and her two brothers were raised as yellow dog democrats and they stayed that way until Johnson pushed through the civl rights and voting rights acts during the 60's. They're all dead now and I'm the oldest of the next generation. Out of seven living grandchildren, only two of us are still Democrats - myself and my cousin who is a college professor in Kentucky. (By the way - my brother and I are the only members of our generation who have served in the military).

I will never vote for a republican in a national election. I would not vote for Donald Trump for dog catcher. But Hillary Clinton gives me the willies.

I make no promises, no commitments. I will have to proceed with caution and play it by ear.

progressoid

(49,824 posts)
70. I have my clothespin ready.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:49 AM
Jun 2016

This isn't the first time I've checked to box for someone I don't support.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
72. Yellow-Dog Democrat for life...
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:45 PM
Jun 2016

Have never, and will never vote for anything with an (R) attached to it.

 

CobaltBlue

(1,122 posts)
73. trof—What are your thoughts, feelings on Ds, Hillary, and Bernie with leadership, platform, etc.?
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:55 PM
Jun 2016
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
75. I am totally!
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:06 PM
Jun 2016

If Bernie would have won the nomination I would have voted for him vs Trump without the slightest hesitation.

I mean cmon Trump is an outright damned FASCIST people!

If anyone has to think about Hillary vs Trump they sure as hell ain't no democrat and they are a piss poor american to boot! IMO.

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
83. I'm not with you.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:22 PM
Jun 2016

First, I'm still working for Bernie to earn as many votes and dekeagtes as possible.

Second, I will not donate money to the DNC or Hillary or her PACs.

Third, I'll be following my conscience when I walk into the voting booth.

Fourth, I may end up voting for HRC but I will never support her. I won't even tell anybody I voted for her because of the shame of it.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
84. Tore all four points straight out of my mouth, well done.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:30 PM
Jun 2016

She exemplifies nothing I believe in. From where I stand, she and her husband both are the exact reason money should have been kept out of politics, the entirety of why I believe congresspeople and senators both need term limits, the exact reason I believe being in government should not be as lucrative a moneymaker as it is, because these people stop caring about the common man. When you can look down on everyone else, and literally say "we came, we saw, he died", and then laugh about it-- even after a goddamn human being got literally sodomized with a goddamn bayonet, there are problems.

I mean, yeah, Gaddafi was a dictator, but under his rule, Libya was shockingly peaceful, and shockingly prosperous! And then a human being gets assraped with a knife and people here are there like "oh so you're defending a dictator now" fuck off with that noise. I don't care if you're a King or Queen, a Dictator or a President-- that was still a human fucking being.

Money has made our politicians into sociopaths. The Clintons are my enemy. But Trump is worse.

icecreamfan

(115 posts)
85. I'm thinking I want someone who isn't a corporate warmonger who supports fracking
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:34 PM
Jun 2016

I'm thinking I'd like a candidate who will actually take aggressive steps to combat global warming and keep a good amount of the remaining carbon fuels in the ground. I'm thinking I'd like a candidate who doesn't use a corporate backed super pac. I'm thinking I'm sick of the US getting involved in civil wars around the world. I want someone who is honest and trustworthy too, and my vote will reflect that.

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