I am so tired of Bernie and his "Democratic Establishment" meme.

[madaboutharry]

I am friends with several people who have already voted for Bernie, including family members, and even they are getting weary. Bernie is looking like the guy who got lapped in a race and still thinks he can catch up. Well, he can't and he knows it. I don't think that Bernie is acting like a sore loser, I do think he is a guy who has a chip on his shoulder against the Democratic party and a lot of people in the Democratic party. Why else does he seem so focused on changing the Democratic party? Why does he even care about the Democratic party, a party he refused to join until he decided to run for president? Now, it all seems personal, like going after Barney Frank. The fact is that he only became a Democrat in order to run for president. He has no loyalty to the Democratic party. His colleagues in Washington most likely treated him like a bit of an annoyance, and his bitterness is showing. It is not becoming and if he doesn't exit graciously, the last few weeks of his campaign will become his legacy. And that will be a shame.

[Android3.14]

1. Not half as tired as you will be of a Trump presidency

Which your vote for Hillary in the primary will bring about.

[geek tragedy]

5. 16 days until those it's only those who want Clinton to beat Trump left here

But who's counting?

[annavictorious]

6. You'll be tired of it too, if it happens.

And you'll also get the blame, just like the Naderites get the blame for Bush.

[Android3.14]

14. Ooooh. Better cash that check

You have no idea why you support Hillary.

[roguevalley]

17. I'm sick of the establishment. It needs to be hammered

home forever.

[annavictorious]

2. Sanders has certainly raised entitlement to an art form.

He joined the party with the articulated intention of exploiting its resources to pursue a personal ambition.

And now 10 months later, he wants to dictate platform, define who is and isn't an authentic party member, and bully his way into a nomination he didn't win.

[kstewart33]

27. Anna, bingo.

[ladjf]

28. In my opinion Bernie is des parley

Trying to lead us out of the sordid political mess that we are in . Ms Clinton has. Been accepting from 200,000 to 400,000 dollars per speech. Everybody knows that the purpose of those speech payments used to buy influence. But, as long as she claims that the money is just for speeches it doesn't appear to be illegal.

[Armstead]

33. Close to half of primary voters supported his "personal ambition"

[pinebox]

60. People > Party.

What's more important?

Someone who has conviction to fight for the average person and has for decades or a logo?

Sorry, I don't care what Bernie is or how long he's been it for, people are greater than parties. You scream personal ambition yet your candidate has been waiting 8 years to run AGAIN despite being hated by the majority of American's. She has tax shelters set up and her foundation has taken money from countries she has had arms dealings with as SOS.

So please, let's not try and talk about party lapel pins and integrity. We see right through you and your candidate.

[mikehiggins]

62. "personal ambition"? Can't deny he's having fun with the run BUT

the reason for his campaign has little to do with "personal ambition". It has to do with the buck$ that now control "establishment" politician.

If nothing else this campaign has revealed the common wisdom--you need to suck up to Wall Street and the rich to run for President--to be a lie. That is in itself worth the effort.

[liberal from boston]

74. Go Bernie

Sanders Candidacy Has Evolved Into an Inspiring World-Changing Success


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu/-sanders-candidacy-has-ev_b_10215786.html

[JRLeft]

68. So you want more income inequality?

[Joob]

3. Bernie's started a movement, those don't go away.

I feel sorry for whoever becomes president if he's not the nominee, because the political revolution is Just getting started and that's what's going to be remembered. Bernie's policies wouldn't have a chance otherwise, so either way, we're fixing this broke party. And if he's not the nominee, we don't have to worry about winning states, just other elections.


That's what we're to focus on if he's nominee or not. It'll be prime time to get those establishment democrats out while they're distracted by GE and we just focus on getting progressives in, real ones.

[geek tragedy]

7. so defeating Trump isn't a concern of yours? nt

[NorthCarolina]

50. Apparently, it is more of a concern to Sanders supporters than it is to

Hillary supporters as evidenced by the simple fact that poll after poll shows Bernie besting Trump by significant margins whereas Clinton barely manages to best him by a single digit in some polls, but comes up short to Trump in most.

It's the Hillary camp that is tempting fate by backing a losing candidate. If Trump is 45 it will be the fault of the Hillary supporters without a doubt.

[brush]

10. Why not start your own party? Since Sanders is not really a Dem, only used the brand to run for pres

[ladjf]

32. We don't need our own party.

We need our Democratic Party back.

[Armstead]

35. Many people don't want to see the Democratic Party become a wholly owned subsidiary of Clinton Inc.

[tokenlib]

73. too late..The Clintons let the Third Way/DLC cockroaches in the door...n/t

[Cobalt Violet]

38. We're going to take back the party the Third Way stole from us 1st.

If that don't work and/or we end up with a Pres. Trump then we will see what we need to do.

[Matt_in_STL]

52. So you are advocating for a third party, and for Bernie to run as a member of that party?

[brush]

69. So many Sanders supporters seem dissatisfied with the Dem party, and since Sanders . . .

has filed his papers as an independent for his 2018 Senate race . . .

[Matt_in_STL]

70. So you would be okay with him jumping into the presidential race as an independent then

Since, as has been made abundantly clear, he isn't a "Democrat"

[kstewart33]

29. Joob, you're right on.

Bernie's focus should be on growing and solidifying his supporters into a movement that gets results - electoral victories.

As a Hillary supporter, I support Bernie's movement. But he will need the support of center-left and liberal Democrats. I'm concerned that if he tries to burn down the convention, the movement will be irreparably damaged because Bernie will be irreparably damaged.

[Bluenorthwest]

4. Know much about Barney Frank's history with the transgender community? Of course not.

Barney has been going after Bernie for months. Barney who supported the non inclusive ENDA. That Barney.

Hillary ran her 08 train till the very last stop but her supporters can't bear to see Bernie do the same, they paint it as some horrific offense. Hypocrisy is already boring and she's not even the nominee.

Oh, and you know that Bill Clinton attacked Jerry Brown for having expensive suits and family money when they ran against each other. Pointed out that Jerry comes from Democratic Party power and CA State power, born to it. Establishment. So it is fine that Bill said that, but if Bernie says the same thing, it is an horrific offense. What is the reasoning you use to excuse the double standard?

[annavictorious]

11. Are you aware of the complex legislative history of the bill?

It's the two gentlemen who Sanders wants removed from the Platform Committee who introduced and championed an inclusive ENDA bill.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/112th-congress/house-bill/1397
https://www.congress.gov/bill/112th-congress/senate-bill/811

[Puglover]

58. You are gonna

get a response from the OP when pigs fly. I mean why on earth would one think critically?

Vote Hillary!

[mmonk]

8. We're even. We're tired of the establishment.

[aikoaiko]

9. He cares about the Democratic party because he cares about people.

[annavictorious]

12. I remember when Al Gore was the lesser of two evils

and the idiotic Naderites gifted the country with a Bush presidency, complete with the wars, the deficits, and the conservative Supreme Court.

I wonder if the committee knew that Gore was evil when they awarded him the Nobel Peace Prize based on his environmental activism.

[aikoaiko]

13. Consider it an endorsement

Lord knows, HRC won't be getting a Nobel prize.

[GreatGazoo]

21. Nader had no impact on the 2000 elections but don't let facts get in the way of your baseless smear

(which really isn't yours, just something you repeat ad nauseum as if it was true for some reason...)

[BzaDem]

22. "Nader had no impact on the 2000 elections"

[GreatGazoo]

24. I had a dog that used to do that

didn't smell so good afterward

Recount shows Gore won:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/mar/12/uselections2000.usa

[BzaDem]

71. There wouldn't have been a recount if it weren't for Nader.

Nader won nearly 100k votes when the margin was 537 votes. Whatever you want to say about other factors, Nader was an absolutely necessary condition to Bush being inaugurated as our 43rd president. Without Nader, Gore would have been inaugurated.

[redstateblues]

56. Nader denialism lives! "Not a dimes worth of difference"?

Thank for Bush/Cheney Ralph. It's funny how no one admits voting for Nader, they just try to justify his narcissistic campaign that played a big part in BushCheney winning in FL. There were other things involved but without those 17,000 votes that Nader got there would have no BushCheney

[GreatGazoo]

65. Does Bush v Gore ring any bells for you? The SCOTUS decision that errantly awarded the Presidency

to Dumya?

Why does every other Hillary supporter on this board claim to be a psychic? Perhaps because it is easier than doing some research or admitting that you don't know everything.

Michigan....Indiana...California

See you in Philly my inaccurate psychic friends!

[RazBerryBeret]

15. Talk about being Tired and Weary of something..... n/t

[whistler162]

23. Twice a day and three times on Sunday

with whine!

"Bernie's being a mean ole' poopie head."

[seabeyond]

16. I think he has a chip on the shoulders for a life time, and is a sore loser. Nt

[anotherproletariat]

19. So true, even on TV interviews years ago he was always angry and yelling. nt

[AgingAmerican]

18. Hillary supporters are ill prepared for the mood of this electorate

[Cali_Democrat]

20. Actually Bernie and his supporters are the ones who weren't prepared for the mood of this electorate

That's why Bernie is losing by over 3 million votes and 270 pledged delegates.

[AgingAmerican]

66. The mood is decidedly anti-establishment

[VulgarPoet]

25. I could SWEAR you were on my ignore list already.

How do you people keep getting off it?

[pdsimdars]

41. Me too. Have to try it again.

[LexVegas]

26. Bernie is as establishment as it gets in America. nt

[TheKentuckian]

31. Establishment doesn't mean elected to office.

[Armstead]

39. Up is down, right is left, yellow is blue, big is small.....

[AntiBank]

43. so what does that make Hillary? Corporate Godess incarnate?

The Sanders' combined net worth is around 200 times less that the Clintons. Sanders is the most anti corporate candidate to run in decades. He is anti-war, anti bank, anti rapacious free trade deals, pro free university tution, pro single payer healthcare (or as close to it as the US can get atm), pro 15 usd/hr minimum wage.

Between the two, in terms of sprectrum gap on the establishment scale, there is a chasm the size of Vermont.

[B Calm]

30. Hmmm, I'm not weary of it.

[gollygee]

34. I agree with the meme

Bernie is outside of the establishment. Hillary supporters point that out when they say that he'll have trouble working with Congress because he isn't part of the group and doesn't get along with them as well. The other side of that is that he isn't part of that group and therefore is not part of the establishment.

[morningfog]

36. Need a nap?

[pdsimdars]

37. Give it a rest. Can't you people think of anything positive to argue FOR Hillary?

Is that why you have to keep trotting out these tired, old talking point fairy tales?

Tell you what, why not give us all a nice riff on which of these Hillary positions you love so much? And then explain how that position expresses the bedrock of the Democratic party.






We're still all waiting for you to stop your complaining and negative attacks on Bernie and give us your reasons FOR Hillary.





.

[AntiBank]

44. [phone] nt

[treestar]

64. She's allowed to oppose things

you don't agree with her on any single issue? That would be odd.

[Armstead]

40. It's not a meme and close of half of Democratic primary voters are tired of Clinton Inc.

[Gothmog]

42. I used to like and admire Sanders but no longer

Sanders is a petty person who would be a horrible candidate

[B Calm]

45. Another divisive post from another Hillary supporter.

[AntiBank]

47. Its all they have to offer. anti anti anti

nothing much in terms of pro.

[Carolina]

46. I am so tired of

corporate bribed establishment Dems and DINOs!

[LWolf]

48. And I haven't heard enough of it.

It will never be enough, until the neo-liberal establishment is removed from power.

[Jester Messiah]

49. Hillarites whine a lot for people who are supposedly winning. n/t

[Tom Rinaldo]

51. "Establishment" comes from the phrase "the established order"

It does not have to be seen as a negative description, unless there is dissatisfaction with the status quo. Of course the Democratic Party has an establishment. There are occasionally times of flux when there is uncertainty and transition in the established order, but having an establishment is the norm. And relative to other Democratic politicians at the national level, Sanders isn't in it.

[BeyondGeography]

54. That's helpful...Bernie should use that phrase instead

"Establishment" has been used so reflexively, it has lost meaning, a reflection of how underdeveloped his entire campaign has been from a language and policy standpoint.

[wendylaroux]

53. you seem to be "so tired" a lot,iron poor blood?

[Lizzie Poppet]

55. Your complaints seem to be mostly about the party. Couldn't care less.

party < policy

And too many of Hillary's policies are detestable...

[Trajan]

57. Barney Frank is no friend of regular working families

Like Hillary, his role is to ease the passage of legislation that is favorable to bankers and hedge fund managers, no matter how much it screws regular working folk ...

Fuck Barney Frank ... And Fuck anybody who defends that banker-loving asshole ...

Go Bernie ! ....

You? ... Gone ...

It's a brutal election season ... The collateral damage has been extraordinary ..... A major realignment is occurring .. I will not be part of a party that coddles bankers over the needs of regular working families ... No fucking way ... I am not alone ....

You love Barney Frank? ... You can have him, all to yourself ... Click

[leeroysphitz]

59. I'll just bet you are, lol. n/t

[Blue_Tires]

61. I debunked the 'establishment' meme months ago, so I just laugh at the ignorance

[aikoaiko]

75. I'd like to read this - have a link to it?

[beachbum bob]

63. sanders is doing a great GOTV for hillary as I type

diss a popular Governor days before a primary....that was smart....and of course the longer he stays in trying to be relevant only makes him less and less relevant....I have many sander supporter friends who even say they have had enough and its turning into a circus and making sanders look bad

[AgingAmerican]

67. It's not his job to campaign for her during the primaries

[Orsino]

72. Imagine how tired we are of the Democratic Establishment. n/t