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Csainvestor

(388 posts)
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:58 PM May 2016

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Promise? Starry Messenger May 2016 #1
Ha! Very good! YouDig May 2016 #2
I know. Then we can rename it The Hillary Club! highprincipleswork May 2016 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Csainvestor May 2016 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #10
I'm going to hold you to that. Starry Messenger May 2016 #13
Her supporters can't seem to repel people fast enough for their liking AgingAmerican May 2016 #21
truth grasswire May 2016 #63
Gee how many is that now 10? 12? upaloopa May 2016 #103
... puffy socks Jun 2016 #126
You can always go to the Jackpine sewer CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #34
And you can freely use the c-word. Agschmid May 2016 #48
Wow Bobbie Jo May 2016 #77
Post a few tidbits from there, with links, to prove your assertions AgingAmerican May 2016 #67
No thanks. CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #68
So you are just blowing smoke out your AgingAmerican May 2016 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #71
I did and nothing came up AgingAmerican May 2016 #72
Yes, I'm sure you believe that CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #73
Thanks for the link, they were having a great time larkrake Jun 2016 #138
My God, those women on that site Clemenza Jun 2016 #151
Aren't they? CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #152
Do a google search specific to the site mythology Jun 2016 #121
OMG very nasty stuff rbrnmw Jun 2016 #156
I'm sorry to see you go. kstewart33 Jun 2016 #141
Seriously. bravenak May 2016 #44
IKR? rbrnmw Jun 2016 #157
So glad skinner made his announcement bravenak Jun 2016 #158
me too this divisiveness has gone on long enough rbrnmw Jun 2016 #159
You win the internet today! nt JTFrog Jun 2016 #134
Okay. This is the way every presidential election/primary has sufrommich May 2016 #5
That's not TRUE!!! DU is RIGGED!!! annavictorious May 2016 #9
This post wins the thread! nt MADem May 2016 #18
. bravenak May 2016 #46
Insightful HERVEPA May 2016 #87
LOL larkrake Jun 2016 #137
He stopped paying us that million ran out rbrnmw Jun 2016 #160
no. this is the worst. roguevalley Jun 2016 #150
Bye KingFlorez May 2016 #6
Be careful what you wish for... you may find yourselves turning on each other.... reformist2 May 2016 #40
Oh, most assuredly so. A cohesive group always seems to need an external enemy to feel solidarity. bjo59 May 2016 #57
So by that logic... Ford F-150 Jun 2016 #140
Nope, what you posit is no logic at all. Don't take my word for it, there are several attorneys on stevenleser Jun 2016 #163
Making threats that no one cares about annavictorious May 2016 #7
Same for Huffpo! Hopefully things will return to normal after next week. nt eastwestdem May 2016 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #12
Yes, I have noticed that. Brought to you by AOL and its parent company, Verizon. bjo59 May 2016 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #81
Me, too bobmartel May 2016 #11
Well for someone who doesn't say much (5posts in 10 years!!) you just definitely said a lot. JudyM May 2016 #42
Absolutely right. bjo59 May 2016 #64
I've been here a long time too arikara May 2016 #118
+100 840high Jun 2016 #130
You agreed to the terms of service like all of us. hrmjustin May 2016 #14
See ya... DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #15
Wow. There sure are a LOT of ill mannered and mean spirited comments here. Land of Enchantment May 2016 #16
Somebody here said JPR is a crypto MRA site. Is that correct? DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #19
Somebody said it? lol AgingAmerican May 2016 #23
Nothing crypto about it. Open sewer. okasha May 2016 #49
I just don't understand the ugliness of this kind of comment. bjo59 May 2016 #70
See post 74. okasha May 2016 #88
Never disparage a cult figure. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #92
I don't understand you defending a site that uses the 'c' word to describe women. stevenleser Jun 2016 #164
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #74
Not sure what you mean by that. zappaman May 2016 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #38
Jury results. Funny that none of the three "hide" votes explained their votes. George II May 2016 #53
Juror #5 zappaman May 2016 #56
So it is like thepeoplesview? AgingAmerican May 2016 #58
Don't know that one, so couldn't tell you. zappaman May 2016 #61
Does that use the C word? nt MADem May 2016 #116
Are you serious? MADem May 2016 #115
Yes. zappaman May 2016 #119
No words-smh! Especially after all the discussion about that here on previous occasions. nt MADem May 2016 #120
Somebody with the IQ smaller than their shoe size, apparently. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #91
Whatever their IQ they were apparently right. Here is the link to prove it. stevenleser Jun 2016 #165
I have to agree with your every word. SmittynMo May 2016 #22
Glad to see this discussed. I never post on the issue because I haven't been on here very long. bjo59 May 2016 #66
Rude=telling the truth GulfCoast66 May 2016 #104
This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo May 2016 #17
Try spouting a conservative viewpoint here NobodyHere May 2016 #20
For the most part SmittynMo May 2016 #26
That is in the Terms Of Service DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #32
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #82
I have taken the test several times and receive -7 s which puts to me the left of Bernard Sanders DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #85
Then your choice is bizarre. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #90
Respectfully, I don't believe he has the requisite knowledge and experience to be president. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #95
Okay, that's fair. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #96
By the standards of this board you were pleasant. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #98
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #111
I explained my position to the satisfaction of Ms. Poppet. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #113
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #114
Amf taught_me_patience May 2016 #24
Apparently you haven't noticed ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #25
You beat me to pointing out that obvious hypocrisy by mere seconds....LOL Trust Buster May 2016 #30
GMTA! NanceGreggs May 2016 #41
I have two points in response; Trust Buster May 2016 #27
IMO there should be a separate group where Sanders supporters can still communicate to work through JudyM May 2016 #52
Well, you used the word...emotionally GulfCoast66 May 2016 #106
Of course if emotion "rules" it is problematic but emotions are psychologically important and valid JudyM Jun 2016 #146
I will be the first to tell you GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #147
The emotional investment is warranted in light of the stakes. But it is not about *him* - he is the JudyM Jun 2016 #148
My served to vote to hide ratio might be 1000-1 and if you were upheld or hid I put my name to it TheKentuckian May 2016 #100
DailyKos is paying the price basselope May 2016 #28
That is interesting. Land of Enchantment May 2016 #37
use Alexa basselope Jun 2016 #124
So has the Sanders Reddit jaceaf Jun 2016 #123
I am one they lost. +100 eom Karma13612 Jun 2016 #155
The site has TOS ... getting a hide for not following the TOS is NOT Censorship. JoePhilly May 2016 #29
Don't be afraid of Ideas FFS... jack_krass May 2016 #84
The folks who wanted O primaried were not hidden ... sparky. JoePhilly May 2016 #89
This is a Democratic board, where people of like mind can gather without RW bullshit. Go away, if seabeyond May 2016 #31
There is no point to allowing DEMOCRATIC Underground to become a shill for Trump barrow-wight May 2016 #33
Goodbye cruel world! CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #35
Not me. I'll just go back to the lounge. cliffordu May 2016 #39
Yuuuup SwampG8r Jun 2016 #135
Really. Fringe DOES make the ensemble....! cliffordu Jun 2016 #136
slots enid602 May 2016 #43
Of course. n/t Yo_Mama May 2016 #45
Hillary supporters can't figure out any other way to do things other than by force AZ Progressive May 2016 #47
I hear the URL "PerpetuallyDisgruntledUnderground" is available. JoePhilly May 2016 #93
You neither confirm nor deny it AZ Progressive May 2016 #112
Oh good grief! bravenak May 2016 #50
This isn't censorship. This has been the rules of DU for some time. There is the Primary mode, and still_one May 2016 #51
Why would say it is not censorship? TimPlo May 2016 #105
Imagine GulfCoast66 May 2016 #109
Ok. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #54
I'm constantly amazed by the fact that many people in this country (and many liberals) bjo59 May 2016 #55
When you joined all of three months ago, you agreed to the terms of membership. TwilightZone May 2016 #80
People do not understand the difference between government censorship and private behavior. LonePirate Jun 2016 #128
the purpose of this private site is to promote democratic party candidates. nt msongs May 2016 #59
Other forums will remain open with interesting discussions on oasis May 2016 #60
Free speech is censored here every day... SidDithers May 2016 #65
Okay. Mr Maru May 2016 #75
Me too Vote2016 May 2016 #76
Looks like you just got here. Bobbie Jo May 2016 #78
When you joined all of three months ago, you agreed to the terms of membership. TwilightZone May 2016 #79
Lol! +1000. nt ecstatic Jun 2016 #162
from your post bigtree May 2016 #83
Something about Felecia? MFM008 May 2016 #86
You mean all the Hillary haters will leave? workinclasszero May 2016 #94
Be careful what you wish for, you may get it and lose the election in the process EndElectoral May 2016 #97
Yeah, your join date pegged you as a Kos refugee Godhumor May 2016 #99
Feeeellllliiiiiccccciiiiaaaaa Tarc May 2016 #101
OK by me. upaloopa May 2016 #102
Way to GOTV! AgingAmerican May 2016 #107
dont let the door hit you on the way out.nt. drray23 May 2016 #108
Ok MyNameGoesHere May 2016 #110
If somebody can't not advocate for not-Clinton once she is officially the presumptive nominee mythology May 2016 #117
Don't forget to take your parting gift. grossproffit Jun 2016 #122
buhbye workinclasszero Jun 2016 #125
The wittiest people on DU are Berners. It'll be Dullsvile here with the snagglepuss Jun 2016 #127
This board has always been about what is best for Democrats. You've applegrove Jun 2016 #129
God, I hope it does. RandySF Jun 2016 #131
Damn GRhodes Jun 2016 #132
Free speech has never been allowed here, so see ya. JTFrog Jun 2016 #133
Is meta complaining about DU allowed in GDP now or something? JTFrog Jun 2016 #139
People who won't support the Democratic nominee. I think that's the point. baldguy Jun 2016 #142
How is what you're calling "Censorship" different than the TOS you agreed to? brooklynite Jun 2016 #143
it will be a tragic loss - your three months here have been ground-breaking DrDan Jun 2016 #144
Ok, this is a bit mean, but...lol auntpurl Jun 2016 #149
"I will leave and never return." Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #145
DU has always been a censored site. LWolf Jun 2016 #153
So how does this impact the 100 delegates Codeine Jun 2016 #154
1!-2!-3!-4! johnp3907 Jun 2016 #161

Starry Messenger

(32,381 posts)
1. Promise?
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:59 PM
May 2016

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
2. Ha! Very good!
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:00 PM
May 2016
 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
3. I know. Then we can rename it The Hillary Club!
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:00 PM
May 2016

Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #1)

Response to Csainvestor (Reply #4)

Starry Messenger

(32,381 posts)
13. I'm going to hold you to that.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:04 PM
May 2016


 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
21. Her supporters can't seem to repel people fast enough for their liking
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:15 PM
May 2016

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
63. truth
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:50 PM
May 2016

every one of those posts is a vote lost for HRC.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
103. Gee how many is that now 10? 12?
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:55 PM
May 2016

Sure will hand it to Trump.

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
126. ...
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:28 AM
Jun 2016
 

CorkySt.Clair

(1,507 posts)
34. You can always go to the Jackpine sewer
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:22 PM
May 2016

Working against Dems is encouraged there as is all the Hillary hate you'd ever want.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
48. And you can freely use the c-word.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:35 PM
May 2016

Bobbie Jo

(14,344 posts)
77. Wow
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:02 PM
May 2016

What a dump.

They deserve each other.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
67. Post a few tidbits from there, with links, to prove your assertions
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:53 PM
May 2016

Thanks in advance.

 

CorkySt.Clair

(1,507 posts)
68. No thanks.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:54 PM
May 2016

I just showered. Not interested in taking another one to get rid of the smell of patulli, cumin and feet.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
69. So you are just blowing smoke out your
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:55 PM
May 2016

....

Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #69)

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
72. I did and nothing came up
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:57 PM
May 2016

Because you made it all up

 

CorkySt.Clair

(1,507 posts)
73. Yes, I'm sure you believe that
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:57 PM
May 2016
 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
138. Thanks for the link, they were having a great time
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:07 AM
Jun 2016

I could just picture the big hats and mint juleps , just sitting around a table

Clemenza

(1 post)
151. My God, those women on that site
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:55 PM
Jun 2016

Are disgusting.

 

CorkySt.Clair

(1,507 posts)
152. Aren't they?
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:00 PM
Jun 2016

It's an anti Dem hate site at this point. Populated by cranks.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
121. Do a google search specific to the site
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:00 AM
Jun 2016

site:jackpineradicals.org and the word in question.

It appears that one poster after being asked multiple times, finally edited their posts:

http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?11829-Trump-goes-for-Hillary-s-jugular-posts-video-of-Bill-s-rape-accusers-on-Instagram

Then there's this post:

http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?10687-Hillary-nicknames

Dorkzilla in particular seems rather fond of the word.

Or here:

http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?5258-The-New-York-Times-now-featuring-anti-Clinton-articles

So now you can no longer pretend that you don't realize what utter scum some Sanders supporters who have left here for jackpineradicals are.

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
156. OMG very nasty stuff
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:01 PM
Jun 2016

kstewart33

(6,552 posts)
141. I'm sorry to see you go.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:02 AM
Jun 2016

There are plenty of Bernie websites where you can post.

So long and good luck!

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
44. Seriously.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:33 PM
May 2016

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
157. IKR?
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:01 PM
Jun 2016
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
158. So glad skinner made his announcement
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:06 PM
Jun 2016

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
159. me too this divisiveness has gone on long enough
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:13 PM
Jun 2016
 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
134. You win the internet today! nt
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:09 AM
Jun 2016

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
5. Okay. This is the way every presidential election/primary has
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:01 PM
May 2016

been done on DU since I've been here . People come and go,that's the way it's always been.

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
9. That's not TRUE!!! DU is RIGGED!!!
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:03 PM
May 2016

HOW MUCH IS BROCK PAYING YOU?????

MADem

(135,425 posts)
18. This post wins the thread! nt
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:12 PM
May 2016
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
46. .
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:33 PM
May 2016
 

HERVEPA

(6,107 posts)
87. Insightful
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:24 PM
May 2016
 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
137. LOL
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:57 AM
Jun 2016

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
160. He stopped paying us that million ran out
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:16 PM
Jun 2016

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
150. no. this is the worst.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:26 PM
Jun 2016

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
6. Bye
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:01 PM
May 2016

And just so you know, private websites set their own rules and are not obligated to allow free speech.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
40. Be careful what you wish for... you may find yourselves turning on each other....
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:27 PM
May 2016

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
57. Oh, most assuredly so. A cohesive group always seems to need an external enemy to feel solidarity.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:44 PM
May 2016

It's a shame but that's the reason for scapegoating and blacklisting. I'll never forget having to read Shirley Jackson's *The Lottery* in jr. high school. Quite a lesson in that story.

 

Ford F-150

(72 posts)
140. So by that logic...
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:07 AM
Jun 2016

A bakery run by fundies "should" also be free to refuse service to those they don't agree with?

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
163. Nope, what you posit is no logic at all. Don't take my word for it, there are several attorneys on
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:38 PM
Jun 2016

DU.

jberryhill and msanthrope are two. One of them a Bernie supporter and one a Hillary supporter.

Both will tell you a bakery vs an internet discussion forum are apples and oranges for the purposes of what you are discussing.

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
7. Making threats that no one cares about
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:01 PM
May 2016

has become the go-to strategy for one candidate's supporters.

 

eastwestdem

(1,220 posts)
8. Same for Huffpo! Hopefully things will return to normal after next week. nt
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:01 PM
May 2016

Response to eastwestdem (Reply #8)

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
62. Yes, I have noticed that. Brought to you by AOL and its parent company, Verizon.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:49 PM
May 2016

They post articles under obnoxious headlines all day long and many, many of those articles are just links to other publications so there is no way to respond to or discuss the article with other HuffPo readers. Shutting down conversation and also reducing cost and maximizing benefit for the corporation. If Clinton is elected the next president, I predict that it will be under her administration that the corporate leviathan gains full control of the Internet. What's going on hasn't been referred to for decades as "global corporate totalitarianism" for nothing.

Response to bjo59 (Reply #62)

bobmartel

(5 posts)
11. Me, too
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:04 PM
May 2016

I am not a poster. I read DU everyday and have since it began. It is not about free speech when it defends a person who plays hardball. Declaring victory before victory has been obtained is done to fool people not educate and organize. There is truth and then there is what ever is not truth. Power doesn't respect truth. Truth is power makes up the truth. A very Bush-Clinton idea.

JudyM

(29,785 posts)
42. Well for someone who doesn't say much (5posts in 10 years!!) you just definitely said a lot.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:31 PM
May 2016

Thank you for your thoughts!

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
64. Absolutely right.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:50 PM
May 2016

arikara

(5,562 posts)
118. I've been here a long time too
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:48 PM
May 2016

15 years, all through the insane Bush/Cheney years of torture, war and killing. Obama has been no saint on that front either what with his drones but I see things only getting worse if Mrs Clinton actually does get her wish to become the first woman president. I have no plans to become a cheerleader for any of that.

But it isn't over yet, and won't be on Spinner's arbitrary date either. Declaring victory before victory has been obtained just might bite them in the arse. I hope it doesn't hurt them too badly if it does, but I doubt I'll be here anymore regardless.

 

840high

(17,196 posts)
130. +100
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:56 AM
Jun 2016
 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
14. You agreed to the terms of service like all of us.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:04 PM
May 2016

No one is forcing you to post here.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,852 posts)
15. See ya...
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:06 PM
May 2016

Land of Enchantment

(1,217 posts)
16. Wow. There sure are a LOT of ill mannered and mean spirited comments here.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:09 PM
May 2016

I too was on KOS for years and left for the same reasons. I came here because of the civility and interesting conversations and topics.

Nowadays it is just toxic. Good luck to you Csainvestor, see you at JPR.

To those who are so very rude...
Just wait until your chickens come home to roost because they will.

Anything can happen.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,852 posts)
19. Somebody here said JPR is a crypto MRA site. Is that correct?
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:12 PM
May 2016
 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
23. Somebody said it? lol
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:16 PM
May 2016

lol

okasha

(11,573 posts)
49. Nothing crypto about it. Open sewer.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:35 PM
May 2016

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
70. I just don't understand the ugliness of this kind of comment.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:55 PM
May 2016

What do you gain by calling that site an "open sewer"? Is that how you want people to talk to you?

okasha

(11,573 posts)
88. See post 74.
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:27 PM
May 2016
 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
92. Never disparage a cult figure.
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:38 PM
May 2016

Their acolytes get real ugly, real fast.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
164. I don't understand you defending a site that uses the 'c' word to describe women.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:40 PM
Jun 2016

Is that how you want people to refer to the women in your life? To you if you are a woman?

Response to okasha (Reply #49)

zappaman

(20,627 posts)
36. Not sure what you mean by that.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:23 PM
May 2016

If you mean posting Hillary is a c**t, a "Hildebeast", and other repulsive things, then yes.
That and worse get posted there.
Take a look if you don't believe me.
So, it's not for me.

Response to zappaman (Reply #36)

George II

(67,782 posts)
53. Jury results. Funny that none of the three "hide" votes explained their votes.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:39 PM
May 2016

On Tue May 31, 2016, 06:33 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Not sure what you mean by that.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2098103

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Unnecessary to associate the c-word with Hillary to make the point. This is over the top even if it's a Hillary supporter.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue May 31, 2016, 06:37 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Point well made. That sick language is posted there a lot. Here too. The poster was making the point that such language about our likely eventual nominee is beyond the pale.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The poster isn't associating the c-word with Clinton, Sanders supporters have done so a number of times, along with many other disgusting characterizations. There is nothing wrong with this post, that word is being used as an example of what OTHER DUers have called our presumptive nominee. LEAVE!
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: looks like he discretely added asterisks after the alert got sent
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

zappaman

(20,627 posts)
56. Juror #5
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:42 PM
May 2016

"looks like he discretely added asterisks after the alert got sent "

Funny...when you click on the post it says on the bottom "This post has been edited 0 times."

Oh well.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
58. So it is like thepeoplesview?
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:44 PM
May 2016

zappaman

(20,627 posts)
61. Don't know that one, so couldn't tell you.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:45 PM
May 2016

Sorry.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
116. Does that use the C word? nt
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:33 PM
May 2016

MADem

(135,425 posts)
115. Are you serious?
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:32 PM
May 2016

I think that's pretty egregious. If that place is so great, though, why are they here?

zappaman

(20,627 posts)
119. Yes.
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:49 PM
May 2016

Beats me why they're here.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
120. No words-smh! Especially after all the discussion about that here on previous occasions. nt
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:53 PM
May 2016
 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
91. Somebody with the IQ smaller than their shoe size, apparently.
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:37 PM
May 2016

I recommend you never listen to a word that idiot says ever again...whoever it may have been.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
165. Whatever their IQ they were apparently right. Here is the link to prove it.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:41 PM
Jun 2016

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
22. I have to agree with your every word.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:16 PM
May 2016

I'm so fed up with it, as are others. My time here has been limited lately. I will continue that way until next weeks landslide in CA. It's all bullshit, and rigged, and ridiculous.

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
66. Glad to see this discussed. I never post on the issue because I haven't been on here very long.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:52 PM
May 2016

But "toxic" is the word. Extremely demoralizing and I'm certain that this is the intention. It's not demoralizing with regard to support of a candidate as much as it's demoralizing because it opens a window onto a part of American culture that I cannot stand.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
104. Rude=telling the truth
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:59 PM
May 2016

Response to Csainvestor (Original post)

 

NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
20. Try spouting a conservative viewpoint here
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:12 PM
May 2016

DU is free speech only for liberal free speech.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
26. For the most part
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:17 PM
May 2016

Yuuuuuuup!!!

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,852 posts)
32. That is in the Terms Of Service
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:18 PM
May 2016

Don't be a wingnut (right-wing or extreme-fringe).
Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office. Teabaggers, Neo-cons, Dittoheads, Paulites, Freepers, Birthers, and right-wingers in general are not welcome here. Neither are certain extreme-fringe left-wingers, including advocates of violent political/social change, hard-line communists, terrorist-apologists, America-haters, kooks, crackpots, LaRouchies, and the like.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #32)

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,852 posts)
85. I have taken the test several times and receive -7 s which puts to me the left of Bernard Sanders
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:17 PM
May 2016

I have taken the test several times and receive -7 s which puts to me the left of Bernard Sanders and at the bottom left of the left quadrant with Mandela and Gandhi.

Thank you very much for judging me, though.




 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
90. Then your choice is bizarre.
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:35 PM
May 2016

That's probably the least objectionable way I can put it...

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,852 posts)
95. Respectfully, I don't believe he has the requisite knowledge and experience to be president.
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:45 PM
May 2016

I am not singling him out... I believe few people do...


 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
96. Okay, that's fair.
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:47 PM
May 2016

I don't agree, but that's a reasoned, substantive rationale for your preference. Thank you for the civil response. Sorry if I was snippy.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,852 posts)
98. By the standards of this board you were pleasant.
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:52 PM
May 2016

Have a nice evening, what's left of it.

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #85)

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,852 posts)
113. I explained my position to the satisfaction of Ms. Poppet.
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:30 PM
May 2016

You can litigate it with her.

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #113)

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
24. Amf
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:16 PM
May 2016

NanceGreggs

(27,835 posts)
25. Apparently you haven't noticed ...
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:17 PM
May 2016

... that HRC supporters have been "censored" here for months, thanks to a jury pool that consists of 85% BS supporters.

Posts that were considered even remotely anti-Bernie were hidden, and those who posted them were sent on time-outs - thus rendering the jury pool even more than 85% BSers.

Funny how "censorship" has a whole different meaning when YOU'RE the one being censored as opposed to the "other guy".

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
30. You beat me to pointing out that obvious hypocrisy by mere seconds....LOL
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:18 PM
May 2016

NanceGreggs

(27,835 posts)
41. GMTA!
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:28 PM
May 2016

Amazing how the Bernie supporters, who have had total control over DU for months, are now also claiming that DU will become an "echo chamber" if only HRCers and actual Democrats get to post here.

Exactly what did they think this place was when THEY were controlling it?

The mind boggles ...

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
27. I have two points in response;
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:17 PM
May 2016

1) I find it pretty funny that those that hide posts day and night can complain about censorship. That takes real projection.

2) There is no way that DU can allow the destructive behavior directed towards the Democratic nominee. It's counterproductive to DU's interests. DU had to choose a cut off point. You are not being fair to DU.

JudyM

(29,785 posts)
52. IMO there should be a separate group where Sanders supporters can still communicate to work through
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:38 PM
May 2016

however this goes down. It is, I always thought, a community. So many of us are so emotionally tied to our candidate and yes, eventually we will come to terms with it. But certainly not before the convention.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
106. Well, you used the word...emotionally
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:08 PM
May 2016

And that pretty much sums up most of the Bernie supporters.

When emotion rules, intellect goes out the window. It has been decades since I have been emotionally tied to a candidate. Makes it too much like religion.

There is a certain blond headed fellow with a shit ton of supporters emotionally tied to him.

JudyM

(29,785 posts)
146. Of course if emotion "rules" it is problematic but emotions are psychologically important and valid
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:30 AM
Jun 2016

signals and motivators for most well adjusted people, as with many, many Sanders supporters whose emotions are based on very real, principled values. We hate unnecessary war-for-profit. We are disgusted by corruption in our political system. We feel protecting the environment, such as stopping fracking, is urgently needed. Etc.

Glibly comparing us to tRump supporters reflects poorly on your understanding of the emotions underlying our passion. As does denigrating our position as based on being "ruled" by emotions with no intellect. If anything, I would argue that Clinton supporters are more ruled by emotions than intellect... How, as "democrats" you could support a candidate with such a horrible record in terms of both substance and process is stunning to most of us. And continuing to cling to her even with what has been unfolding in this primary and with investigations...

When we have "discussions" on DU it is strikingly apparent that an actual intellectual basis for supporting her over Bernie is not proffered. Vague assertions of her "effectiveness" or "electability" have been disproved. The only thing left that I see is that she is a female, which, even to me as an ardent feminist, pales in comparison to how she would run the country. Identity politics seems to subsume the rest of Clinton supporters' position.

Just my opinion, of course. But certainly you show no understanding if you think yourself on higher intellectual ground.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
147. I will be the first to tell you
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:18 AM
Jun 2016

I am not on higher intellectual ground! If I gave you that impression it was not my intention.

But I have used what intellect I was born with and I do not think Bernie is electable. Your assertion that it has been proved is spurious as it is impossible to prove the result of an election before it occurs.

I like Bernie and I am not afraid of the label of socialist. But I am not most Americans. I think if he is the candidate he will be shredded once the GE campaign starts. Maybe I am wrong, but I do not think we will ever know.

I know we will continue to disagree but have no doubt I am as sincere in my beliefs as you are yours.

What seems to separate some Bernie supporters, not necessarily you, from almost all Hillary supporters is there emotional investment in him the man. To the point that they have convinced themselves that he is the only hope the country has. Like a Savior.

JudyM

(29,785 posts)
148. The emotional investment is warranted in light of the stakes. But it is not about *him* - he is the
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:23 AM
Jun 2016

one who is championing our values and we have reason to trust him. But make no mistake, the emotion is passion for the movement that he is articulating and leading.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
100. My served to vote to hide ratio might be 1000-1 and if you were upheld or hid I put my name to it
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:53 PM
May 2016

and comment why.

I think the real projection is maybe coming from someone who votes to hide based on disagreement or who is your buddy.

Why would you assume such a voting pattern? I've always been fine with making them public and I've always believed in petty ass alert gangs trying to pick people off, I've even seen it bragged about off site.

I mostly believe that the whole thing is a fix to help the conservatives in a series of attempts that never works because most of the folks that want to be spouting conservative crap on the internet go ahead and get about it all out. It is hard to have numbers on liberal sites so it has to be massaged a bit or the moderate right would get rolled over.

The problem of course is it doesn't work, there is no way to get enough woodchuck traffic especially on too many large sites, if the liberals aren't distributed and significantly allowed to say their piece the flow will go to where it will and the click rates suffer.

It also is a piss poor feline herding technique if you are into that kind of thing.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
28. DailyKos is paying the price
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:18 PM
May 2016

Their traffic has seen a steep drop since the end of March.

Land of Enchantment

(1,217 posts)
37. That is interesting.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:23 PM
May 2016

How do you track traffic? If it's true that 70-80% of Duers are Bernie supporters it will be devastating. I have no idea because I have hundreds on 'Ignore'.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
124. use Alexa
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:20 AM
Jun 2016

jaceaf

(89 posts)
123. So has the Sanders Reddit
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:09 AM
Jun 2016

They're also getting less hits at the sanders4pres reddit.

Although, more important than hits is integrity.

Karma13612

(4,981 posts)
155. I am one they lost. +100 eom
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:32 PM
Jun 2016

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
29. The site has TOS ... getting a hide for not following the TOS is NOT Censorship.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:18 PM
May 2016

And look ... this site allowed a ton of people to attack Obama for his entire Presidency.

They could post any crazy theory they wanted.

Call him a "F**king used car salesman".

Take on multiple personas and attack other democrats.

Hell ... in 2012 ... you could support a primary challenge against Obama (ignoring the fact that there was absolutely no candidate to run against him ... but still ... you could do it.)

So its clear DU allows a very wide interpretation of the TOS. If you can find the already blurry lines and not stray to far ... you'll survive here ... and maybe even spend 8 years attacking President Clinton predicting all manner of catastrophe as we've seen during the Obama administration.

 

jack_krass

(1,009 posts)
84. Don't be afraid of Ideas FFS...
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:13 PM
May 2016

So what if someone wanted O primaried?. Is that a thought crime or something? BTW, that's neither against the TOS nor the spirit of this site.

Seems like Hildenburg watchers want an echo chamber with no dissent from the party lie(sic) allowable.

There is somethjng about HRC that attracts the authoritarian types.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
89. The folks who wanted O primaried were not hidden ... sparky.
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:32 PM
May 2016

They were allowed to do so on DU.

Which was my point, and you ... ironically helped reinforced it.

After that you babbled some really serious nonsense ("Hildenburg&quot to let us all know you might not be bright enough to understand that DU allows all kinds of attacks on Dems.

Then, you finish with a rather stupid statement .... "There is something about HRC that attracts the authoritarian types."



 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
31. This is a Democratic board, where people of like mind can gather without RW bullshit. Go away, if
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:18 PM
May 2016

you have a problem with it being a Democratic board.

barrow-wight

(744 posts)
33. There is no point to allowing DEMOCRATIC Underground to become a shill for Trump
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:20 PM
May 2016

And that's exactly what it would be if, after we have a presumptive nominee, this site continues to allow the very worst of the anti Hilllary Democrata to continue scorching the earth of the party. None of us has a right to post here. It is a privilege as this site is privately owned. There are plenty of Bernie-based hate sites you can visit like that JimJonesRadicals site.

 

CorkySt.Clair

(1,507 posts)
35. Goodbye cruel world!
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:22 PM
May 2016

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
39. Not me. I'll just go back to the lounge.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:26 PM
May 2016

Stay out of the echo chamber for another three years.

Who knows, maybe find someone to primary Trump who isn't being investigated by the EFF BEE EYE.....

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
135. Yuuuup
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:25 AM
Jun 2016

Just disengage as much as possible here
Hell openly speaking progressive ideas here now is like giving cheat sheets to the conservatives.
Cliff we have been waving back and forth now.for.the best part of ten years. Did you know.when i.signed up here i wondered if i was too center to fit in. Now im fringe left
I dont mind being the fringe tho the fringe makes the whole.outfit cool

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
136. Really. Fringe DOES make the ensemble....!
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:29 AM
Jun 2016

Shit, man, I was probably center- right....this place taught me true progressivism thru a couple of hardheaded Angels of Merciless Candor who are probably not around any longer......

I've met a couple DU'ers in real life and enjoyed their company quite a bit.....You are another human I'd like to hang out with for an afternoon or so and chew the fat.....

enid602

(9,684 posts)
43. slots
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:31 PM
May 2016

How in the world will DU ever be able to fill all the vacated juror slots come June 16?

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
45. Of course. n/t
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:33 PM
May 2016

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
47. Hillary supporters can't figure out any other way to do things other than by force
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:35 PM
May 2016

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
93. I hear the URL "PerpetuallyDisgruntledUnderground" is available.
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:39 PM
May 2016

Go get it.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
112. You neither confirm nor deny it
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:18 PM
May 2016
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
50. Oh good grief!
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:35 PM
May 2016
 

still_one

(98,883 posts)
51. This isn't censorship. This has been the rules of DU for some time. There is the Primary mode, and
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:36 PM
May 2016

there is an election mode. They are governed by different rules.

If you don't want to abide by the rules, that isn't censorship, that is on you

 

TimPlo

(443 posts)
105. Why would say it is not censorship?
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:03 PM
May 2016

Do you even know what word means?

"the practice of officially examining books, movies, etc., and suppressing unacceptable parts."

It most certainly is censorship, you can not argue that. It is fine if they do it because it is the TOS, but it is still censorship no matter what.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
109. Imagine
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:13 PM
May 2016

Democratic Underground censoring those opposing the Democratic Nominee. Oh, the injustice.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
54. Ok.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:40 PM
May 2016

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
55. I'm constantly amazed by the fact that many people in this country (and many liberals)
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:40 PM
May 2016

are perfectly fine with censorship when it's shutting up another person's speech. Democratic principles are loved by most, living by those principles is very difficult for many!

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
80. When you joined all of three months ago, you agreed to the terms of membership.
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:11 PM
May 2016

Don't like the terms? There are plenty of other websites to visit.

LonePirate

(14,367 posts)
128. People do not understand the difference between government censorship and private behavior.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:36 AM
Jun 2016

This is a private entity. It's no different than walking into a restaurant wearing a shirt that says "F*** You" and being asked to leave. Restrictions on posting here at DU are nowhere in the same league as government censorship of the media, internet, school books, etc. I suppose it is easy to make such ridiculous false equivalencies while under the influence of wine made from sour grapes.

msongs

(73,754 posts)
59. the purpose of this private site is to promote democratic party candidates. nt
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:44 PM
May 2016

oasis

(53,693 posts)
60. Other forums will remain open with interesting discussions on
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:45 PM
May 2016

a variety of topics.

SidDithers

(44,333 posts)
65. Free speech is censored here every day...
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:51 PM
May 2016

We don't allow right wingers to post at DU, and we don't allow racist or homophobic or misogynistic or bigoted content at DU either.

You agreed to a certain level of censorship when you agreed to the site's Terms of Service.

Nobody's holding you hostage here, if you don't like the TOS.

Sid

Mr Maru

(216 posts)
75. Okay.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:59 PM
May 2016
 

Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
76. Me too
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:00 PM
May 2016

Bobbie Jo

(14,344 posts)
78. Looks like you just got here.
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:07 PM
May 2016

I'm sure you'll be missed?

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
79. When you joined all of three months ago, you agreed to the terms of membership.
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:10 PM
May 2016

Don't like the terms? Find someplace else to rant.

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
162. Lol! +1000. nt
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:35 PM
Jun 2016

bigtree

(94,261 posts)
83. from your post
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:12 PM
May 2016

...to my ignore list.

MFM008

(20,042 posts)
86. Something about Felecia?
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:21 PM
May 2016
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
94. You mean all the Hillary haters will leave?
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:42 PM
May 2016

SWEET!!!

EndElectoral

(4,213 posts)
97. Be careful what you wish for, you may get it and lose the election in the process
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:48 PM
May 2016

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
99. Yeah, your join date pegged you as a Kos refugee
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:52 PM
May 2016

Almost made it 4 months here, I see.

Tarc

(10,601 posts)
101. Feeeellllliiiiiccccciiiiaaaaa
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:54 PM
May 2016

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
102. OK by me.
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:54 PM
May 2016
 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
107. Way to GOTV!
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:11 PM
May 2016

Corporate style. You don't need us cuz DIEBOLD!!

drray23

(8,757 posts)
108. dont let the door hit you on the way out.nt.
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:13 PM
May 2016
 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
110. Ok
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:13 PM
May 2016
 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
117. If somebody can't not advocate for not-Clinton once she is officially the presumptive nominee
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:45 PM
May 2016

then that's kind of on them. People won't be banned because there were Sanders supporters. They will be banned because they post attacks on the Democratic candidate. You can feel free to promote downstream candidates, or discuss other matters of interest.

But if it's really so hard for you to not attack the Democratic nominee, well okay, go find the rectangle with the knob on it. You don't have the right to free speech here. None of us do. If tomorrow the admins decided they wanted to only allow video posts of paint drying or grass growing, they can. You aren't having your freedom of speech violated as while Skinner is a pretty powerful guy here, he's not the U.S. government passing a law. You are welcome to go to any number of websites devoted to attacking Clinton. Others have suggested some.

grossproffit

(5,591 posts)
122. Don't forget to take your parting gift.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:04 AM
Jun 2016
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
125. buhbye
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:22 AM
Jun 2016

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
127. The wittiest people on DU are Berners. It'll be Dullsvile here with the
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:32 AM
Jun 2016

Hill-rah-rah-corporate-team. For snagglepuss, who's been here since 2002, it'll be exit stage left even...

applegrove

(132,209 posts)
129. This board has always been about what is best for Democrats. You've
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:48 AM
Jun 2016

had a good long run here. Good luck.

RandySF

(84,274 posts)
131. God, I hope it does.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:04 AM
Jun 2016

GRhodes

(162 posts)
132. Damn
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:07 AM
Jun 2016

and I just started posting recently. Now where am I going to go to watch Democrats pathetically defend corruption, right wing and pro-corporate economic policies and a hawkish foreign policy? Now where am I going to go for poorly argued defenses of things people shouldn't be defending, followed by an immature emoji? Say, if she's indicted, can we come back? Maybe Chairman Mao will let a thousand flowers bloom then.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
133. Free speech has never been allowed here, so see ya.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:08 AM
Jun 2016

There were terms when you signed up. Should have thought about the decision to do so a little harder I guess.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
139. Is meta complaining about DU allowed in GDP now or something?
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:09 AM
Jun 2016

Didn't think so.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
142. People who won't support the Democratic nominee. I think that's the point.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:02 AM
Jun 2016

And it's long overdue.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
143. How is what you're calling "Censorship" different than the TOS you agreed to?
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:05 AM
Jun 2016

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
144. it will be a tragic loss - your three months here have been ground-breaking
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:21 AM
Jun 2016

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
149. Ok, this is a bit mean, but...lol
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:18 PM
Jun 2016
 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
145. "I will leave and never return."
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:55 AM
Jun 2016

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
153. DU has always been a censored site.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:25 PM
Jun 2016

Read the TOS again.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
154. So how does this impact the 100 delegates
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:28 PM
Jun 2016

you expected Bernie to get from just three states?

johnp3907

(4,308 posts)
161. 1!-2!-3!-4!
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:32 PM
Jun 2016
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