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highprincipleswork
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Starry Messenger
(32,381 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)every one of those posts is a vote lost for HRC.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Sure will hand it to Trump.
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)Working against Dems is encouraged there as is all the Hillary hate you'd ever want.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)What a dump.
They deserve each other.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Thanks in advance.
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)I just showered. Not interested in taking another one to get rid of the smell of patulli, cumin and feet.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)....
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AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Because you made it all up
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)They just love Hillary at the Jackpine sewer.
http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?9921-TYT-Hillary-Doesn%92t-Care-About-Appealing-To-Bernie-Voters
larkrake
(1,674 posts)I could just picture the big hats and mint juleps , just sitting around a table
Clemenza
(1 post)Are disgusting.
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)It's an anti Dem hate site at this point. Populated by cranks.
mythology
(9,527 posts)site:jackpineradicals.org and the word in question.
It appears that one poster after being asked multiple times, finally edited their posts:
http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?11829-Trump-goes-for-Hillary-s-jugular-posts-video-of-Bill-s-rape-accusers-on-Instagram
Then there's this post:
http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?10687-Hillary-nicknames
Dorkzilla in particular seems rather fond of the word.
Or here:
http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?5258-The-New-York-Times-now-featuring-anti-Clinton-articles
So now you can no longer pretend that you don't realize what utter scum some Sanders supporters who have left here for jackpineradicals are.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)kstewart33
(6,552 posts)There are plenty of Bernie websites where you can post.
So long and good luck!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)been done on DU since I've been here . People come and go,that's the way it's always been.
annavictorious
(934 posts)HOW MUCH IS BROCK PAYING YOU?????
MADem
(135,425 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)And just so you know, private websites set their own rules and are not obligated to allow free speech.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)bjo59
(1,166 posts)It's a shame but that's the reason for scapegoating and blacklisting. I'll never forget having to read Shirley Jackson's *The Lottery* in jr. high school. Quite a lesson in that story.
Ford F-150
(72 posts)A bakery run by fundies "should" also be free to refuse service to those they don't agree with?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)DU.
jberryhill and msanthrope are two. One of them a Bernie supporter and one a Hillary supporter.
Both will tell you a bakery vs an internet discussion forum are apples and oranges for the purposes of what you are discussing.
annavictorious
(934 posts)has become the go-to strategy for one candidate's supporters.
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)Response to eastwestdem (Reply #8)
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bjo59
(1,166 posts)They post articles under obnoxious headlines all day long and many, many of those articles are just links to other publications so there is no way to respond to or discuss the article with other HuffPo readers. Shutting down conversation and also reducing cost and maximizing benefit for the corporation. If Clinton is elected the next president, I predict that it will be under her administration that the corporate leviathan gains full control of the Internet. What's going on hasn't been referred to for decades as "global corporate totalitarianism" for nothing.
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bobmartel
(5 posts)I am not a poster. I read DU everyday and have since it began. It is not about free speech when it defends a person who plays hardball. Declaring victory before victory has been obtained is done to fool people not educate and organize. There is truth and then there is what ever is not truth. Power doesn't respect truth. Truth is power makes up the truth. A very Bush-Clinton idea.
JudyM
(29,785 posts)Thank you for your thoughts!
arikara
(5,562 posts)15 years, all through the insane Bush/Cheney years of torture, war and killing. Obama has been no saint on that front either what with his drones but I see things only getting worse if Mrs Clinton actually does get her wish to become the first woman president. I have no plans to become a cheerleader for any of that.
But it isn't over yet, and won't be on Spinner's arbitrary date either. Declaring victory before victory has been obtained just might bite them in the arse. I hope it doesn't hurt them too badly if it does, but I doubt I'll be here anymore regardless.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)No one is forcing you to post here.
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,852 posts)Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)I too was on KOS for years and left for the same reasons. I came here because of the civility and interesting conversations and topics.
Nowadays it is just toxic. Good luck to you Csainvestor, see you at JPR.
To those who are so very rude...
Just wait until your chickens come home to roost because they will.
Anything can happen.

DemocratSinceBirth
(101,852 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)lol
okasha
(11,573 posts)bjo59
(1,166 posts)What do you gain by calling that site an "open sewer"? Is that how you want people to talk to you?
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Their acolytes get real ugly, real fast.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Is that how you want people to refer to the women in your life? To you if you are a woman?
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zappaman
(20,627 posts)If you mean posting Hillary is a c**t, a "Hildebeast", and other repulsive things, then yes.
That and worse get posted there.
Take a look if you don't believe me.
So, it's not for me.
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George II
(67,782 posts)On Tue May 31, 2016, 06:33 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Not sure what you mean by that.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2098103
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Unnecessary to associate the c-word with Hillary to make the point. This is over the top even if it's a Hillary supporter.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue May 31, 2016, 06:37 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Point well made. That sick language is posted there a lot. Here too. The poster was making the point that such language about our likely eventual nominee is beyond the pale.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The poster isn't associating the c-word with Clinton, Sanders supporters have done so a number of times, along with many other disgusting characterizations. There is nothing wrong with this post, that word is being used as an example of what OTHER DUers have called our presumptive nominee. LEAVE!
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: looks like he discretely added asterisks after the alert got sent
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
zappaman
(20,627 posts)"looks like he discretely added asterisks after the alert got sent "
Funny...when you click on the post it says on the bottom "This post has been edited 0 times."
Oh well.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)zappaman
(20,627 posts)Sorry.
MADem
(135,425 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)I think that's pretty egregious. If that place is so great, though, why are they here?
Beats me why they're here.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I recommend you never listen to a word that idiot says ever again...whoever it may have been.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)I'm so fed up with it, as are others. My time here has been limited lately. I will continue that way until next weeks landslide in CA. It's all bullshit, and rigged, and ridiculous.
bjo59
(1,166 posts)But "toxic" is the word. Extremely demoralizing and I'm certain that this is the intention. It's not demoralizing with regard to support of a candidate as much as it's demoralizing because it opens a window onto a part of American culture that I cannot stand.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Response to Csainvestor (Original post)
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NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)DU is free speech only for liberal free speech.
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)Yuuuuuuup!!!
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,852 posts)Don't be a wingnut (right-wing or extreme-fringe).
Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office. Teabaggers, Neo-cons, Dittoheads, Paulites, Freepers, Birthers, and right-wingers in general are not welcome here. Neither are certain extreme-fringe left-wingers, including advocates of violent political/social change, hard-line communists, terrorist-apologists, America-haters, kooks, crackpots, LaRouchies, and the like.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice
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DemocratSinceBirth
(101,852 posts)I have taken the test several times and receive -7 s which puts to me the left of Bernard Sanders and at the bottom left of the left quadrant with Mandela and Gandhi.
Thank you very much for judging me, though.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)That's probably the least objectionable way I can put it...
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,852 posts)I am not singling him out... I believe few people do...
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I don't agree, but that's a reasoned, substantive rationale for your preference. Thank you for the civil response. Sorry if I was snippy.
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,852 posts)Have a nice evening, what's left of it.
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DemocratSinceBirth
(101,852 posts)You can litigate it with her.
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NanceGreggs
(27,835 posts)... that HRC supporters have been "censored" here for months, thanks to a jury pool that consists of 85% BS supporters.
Posts that were considered even remotely anti-Bernie were hidden, and those who posted them were sent on time-outs - thus rendering the jury pool even more than 85% BSers.
Funny how "censorship" has a whole different meaning when YOU'RE the one being censored as opposed to the "other guy".
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,835 posts)Amazing how the Bernie supporters, who have had total control over DU for months, are now also claiming that DU will become an "echo chamber" if only HRCers and actual Democrats get to post here.
Exactly what did they think this place was when THEY were controlling it?
The mind boggles ...
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)1) I find it pretty funny that those that hide posts day and night can complain about censorship. That takes real projection.
2) There is no way that DU can allow the destructive behavior directed towards the Democratic nominee. It's counterproductive to DU's interests. DU had to choose a cut off point. You are not being fair to DU.
JudyM
(29,785 posts)however this goes down. It is, I always thought, a community. So many of us are so emotionally tied to our candidate and yes, eventually we will come to terms with it. But certainly not before the convention.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)And that pretty much sums up most of the Bernie supporters.
When emotion rules, intellect goes out the window. It has been decades since I have been emotionally tied to a candidate. Makes it too much like religion.
There is a certain blond headed fellow with a shit ton of supporters emotionally tied to him.
JudyM
(29,785 posts)signals and motivators for most well adjusted people, as with many, many Sanders supporters whose emotions are based on very real, principled values. We hate unnecessary war-for-profit. We are disgusted by corruption in our political system. We feel protecting the environment, such as stopping fracking, is urgently needed. Etc.
Glibly comparing us to tRump supporters reflects poorly on your understanding of the emotions underlying our passion. As does denigrating our position as based on being "ruled" by emotions with no intellect. If anything, I would argue that Clinton supporters are more ruled by emotions than intellect... How, as "democrats" you could support a candidate with such a horrible record in terms of both substance and process is stunning to most of us. And continuing to cling to her even with what has been unfolding in this primary and with investigations...
When we have "discussions" on DU it is strikingly apparent that an actual intellectual basis for supporting her over Bernie is not proffered. Vague assertions of her "effectiveness" or "electability" have been disproved. The only thing left that I see is that she is a female, which, even to me as an ardent feminist, pales in comparison to how she would run the country. Identity politics seems to subsume the rest of Clinton supporters' position.
Just my opinion, of course. But certainly you show no understanding if you think yourself on higher intellectual ground.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)I am not on higher intellectual ground! If I gave you that impression it was not my intention.
But I have used what intellect I was born with and I do not think Bernie is electable. Your assertion that it has been proved is spurious as it is impossible to prove the result of an election before it occurs.
I like Bernie and I am not afraid of the label of socialist. But I am not most Americans. I think if he is the candidate he will be shredded once the GE campaign starts. Maybe I am wrong, but I do not think we will ever know.
I know we will continue to disagree but have no doubt I am as sincere in my beliefs as you are yours.
What seems to separate some Bernie supporters, not necessarily you, from almost all Hillary supporters is there emotional investment in him the man. To the point that they have convinced themselves that he is the only hope the country has. Like a Savior.
JudyM
(29,785 posts)one who is championing our values and we have reason to trust him. But make no mistake, the emotion is passion for the movement that he is articulating and leading.
TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)and comment why.
I think the real projection is maybe coming from someone who votes to hide based on disagreement or who is your buddy.
Why would you assume such a voting pattern? I've always been fine with making them public and I've always believed in petty ass alert gangs trying to pick people off, I've even seen it bragged about off site.
I mostly believe that the whole thing is a fix to help the conservatives in a series of attempts that never works because most of the folks that want to be spouting conservative crap on the internet go ahead and get about it all out. It is hard to have numbers on liberal sites so it has to be massaged a bit or the moderate right would get rolled over.
The problem of course is it doesn't work, there is no way to get enough woodchuck traffic especially on too many large sites, if the liberals aren't distributed and significantly allowed to say their piece the flow will go to where it will and the click rates suffer.
It also is a piss poor feline herding technique if you are into that kind of thing.
basselope
(2,565 posts)Their traffic has seen a steep drop since the end of March.
Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)How do you track traffic? If it's true that 70-80% of Duers are Bernie supporters it will be devastating. I have no idea because I have hundreds on 'Ignore'.

basselope
(2,565 posts)You can see that DU has held up
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/democraticunderground.com
jaceaf
(89 posts)They're also getting less hits at the sanders4pres reddit.
Although, more important than hits is integrity.
Karma13612
(4,981 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)And look ... this site allowed a ton of people to attack Obama for his entire Presidency.
They could post any crazy theory they wanted.
Call him a "F**king used car salesman".
Take on multiple personas and attack other democrats.
Hell ... in 2012 ... you could support a primary challenge against Obama (ignoring the fact that there was absolutely no candidate to run against him ... but still ... you could do it.)
So its clear DU allows a very wide interpretation of the TOS. If you can find the already blurry lines and not stray to far ... you'll survive here ... and maybe even spend 8 years attacking President Clinton predicting all manner of catastrophe as we've seen during the Obama administration.
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)So what if someone wanted O primaried?. Is that a thought crime or something? BTW, that's neither against the TOS nor the spirit of this site.
Seems like Hildenburg watchers want an echo chamber with no dissent from the party lie(sic) allowable.
There is somethjng about HRC that attracts the authoritarian types.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)They were allowed to do so on DU.
Which was my point, and you ... ironically helped reinforced it.
After that you babbled some really serious nonsense ("Hildenburg"
to let us all know you might not be bright enough to understand that DU allows all kinds of attacks on Dems.
Then, you finish with a rather stupid statement .... "There is something about HRC that attracts the authoritarian types."
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)you have a problem with it being a Democratic board.
barrow-wight
(744 posts)And that's exactly what it would be if, after we have a presumptive nominee, this site continues to allow the very worst of the anti Hilllary Democrata to continue scorching the earth of the party. None of us has a right to post here. It is a privilege as this site is privately owned. There are plenty of Bernie-based hate sites you can visit like that JimJonesRadicals site.
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Stay out of the echo chamber for another three years.
Who knows, maybe find someone to primary Trump who isn't being investigated by the EFF BEE EYE.....
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)Just disengage as much as possible here
Hell openly speaking progressive ideas here now is like giving cheat sheets to the conservatives.
Cliff we have been waving back and forth now.for.the best part of ten years. Did you know.when i.signed up here i wondered if i was too center to fit in. Now im fringe left
I dont mind being the fringe tho the fringe makes the whole.outfit cool
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Shit, man, I was probably center- right....this place taught me true progressivism thru a couple of hardheaded Angels of Merciless Candor who are probably not around any longer......
I've met a couple DU'ers in real life and enjoyed their company quite a bit.....You are another human I'd like to hang out with for an afternoon or so and chew the fat.....
enid602
(9,684 posts)How in the world will DU ever be able to fill all the vacated juror slots come June 16?
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Go get it.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)still_one
(98,883 posts)there is an election mode. They are governed by different rules.
If you don't want to abide by the rules, that isn't censorship, that is on you
TimPlo
(443 posts)Do you even know what word means?
"the practice of officially examining books, movies, etc., and suppressing unacceptable parts."
It most certainly is censorship, you can not argue that. It is fine if they do it because it is the TOS, but it is still censorship no matter what.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Democratic Underground censoring those opposing the Democratic Nominee. Oh, the injustice.
bjo59
(1,166 posts)are perfectly fine with censorship when it's shutting up another person's speech. Democratic principles are loved by most, living by those principles is very difficult for many!
TwilightZone
(28,836 posts)Don't like the terms? There are plenty of other websites to visit.
LonePirate
(14,367 posts)This is a private entity. It's no different than walking into a restaurant wearing a shirt that says "F*** You" and being asked to leave. Restrictions on posting here at DU are nowhere in the same league as government censorship of the media, internet, school books, etc. I suppose it is easy to make such ridiculous false equivalencies while under the influence of wine made from sour grapes.
msongs
(73,754 posts)oasis
(53,693 posts)a variety of topics.
SidDithers
(44,333 posts)We don't allow right wingers to post at DU, and we don't allow racist or homophobic or misogynistic or bigoted content at DU either.
You agreed to a certain level of censorship when you agreed to the site's Terms of Service.
Nobody's holding you hostage here, if you don't like the TOS.
Sid
Bobbie Jo
(14,344 posts)I'm sure you'll be missed?
TwilightZone
(28,836 posts)Don't like the terms? Find someplace else to rant.
bigtree
(94,261 posts)...to my ignore list.
MFM008
(20,042 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)SWEET!!!
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Godhumor
(6,437 posts)Almost made it 4 months here, I see.
Tarc
(10,601 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Corporate style. You don't need us cuz DIEBOLD!!
drray23
(8,757 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)then that's kind of on them. People won't be banned because there were Sanders supporters. They will be banned because they post attacks on the Democratic candidate. You can feel free to promote downstream candidates, or discuss other matters of interest.
But if it's really so hard for you to not attack the Democratic nominee, well okay, go find the rectangle with the knob on it. You don't have the right to free speech here. None of us do. If tomorrow the admins decided they wanted to only allow video posts of paint drying or grass growing, they can. You aren't having your freedom of speech violated as while Skinner is a pretty powerful guy here, he's not the U.S. government passing a law. You are welcome to go to any number of websites devoted to attacking Clinton. Others have suggested some.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)Hill-rah-rah-corporate-team. For snagglepuss, who's been here since 2002, it'll be exit stage left even...
applegrove
(132,209 posts)had a good long run here. Good luck.
RandySF
(84,274 posts)GRhodes
(162 posts)and I just started posting recently. Now where am I going to go to watch Democrats pathetically defend corruption, right wing and pro-corporate economic policies and a hawkish foreign policy? Now where am I going to go for poorly argued defenses of things people shouldn't be defending, followed by an immature emoji? Say, if she's indicted, can we come back? Maybe Chairman Mao will let a thousand flowers bloom then.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)There were terms when you signed up. Should have thought about the decision to do so a little harder I guess.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Didn't think so.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)And it's long overdue.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)Read the TOS again.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)you expected Bernie to get from just three states?
