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Tue May 31, 2016, 11:32 PM

Third Party Candidates Polling Abnormally High, Media Doesn't Care



I wouldn't be surprised to see the Green Party do very well, if Clinton is the nominee. We'll see.

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Reply Third Party Candidates Polling Abnormally High, Media Doesn't Care (Original post)
GRhodes May 2016 OP
Dem2 May 2016 #1
GRhodes May 2016 #10
azurnoir Jun 2016 #42
MohRokTah May 2016 #2
dchill May 2016 #3
lagomorph777 Jun 2016 #57
dchill Jun 2016 #59
msongs May 2016 #4
reformist2 Jun 2016 #28
Scootaloo May 2016 #6
GRhodes May 2016 #8
Dem2 May 2016 #9
GRhodes May 2016 #11
Dem2 May 2016 #12
GRhodes May 2016 #17
Dem2 Jun 2016 #27
GRhodes Jun 2016 #32
Dem2 Jun 2016 #45
still_one Jun 2016 #53
dchill May 2016 #18
Dem2 May 2016 #21
GRhodes May 2016 #22
Dem2 Jun 2016 #25
Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #40
NurseJackie Jun 2016 #44
GRhodes Jun 2016 #47
FSogol Jun 2016 #48
GRhodes Jun 2016 #49
FSogol Jun 2016 #50
GRhodes Jun 2016 #56
still_one Jun 2016 #51
workinclasszero Jun 2016 #55
yourout May 2016 #5
Ed Suspicious May 2016 #7
EndElectoral May 2016 #16
Autumn Colors Jun 2016 #33
pinebox Jun 2016 #58
GRhodes May 2016 #13
geek tragedy May 2016 #15
GRhodes May 2016 #19
geek tragedy Jun 2016 #23
JRLeft Jun 2016 #29
GRhodes Jun 2016 #30
geek tragedy Jun 2016 #35
GRhodes Jun 2016 #37
jack_krass Jun 2016 #26
GRhodes Jun 2016 #31
jack_krass Jun 2016 #43
dchill Jun 2016 #39
GRhodes Jun 2016 #46
geek tragedy May 2016 #14
GRhodes May 2016 #20
geek tragedy Jun 2016 #24
GRhodes Jun 2016 #34
geek tragedy Jun 2016 #36
Fumesucker Jun 2016 #41
JackRiddler Jun 2016 #38
Trust Buster Jun 2016 #52
GRhodes Jun 2016 #54
DonJohnson Jun 2016 #60

Response to GRhodes (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:34 PM

1. 1992 all over again

A Clinton won that election too.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #1)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:42 PM

10. Crap

I took at nap, and I ended up in 1991? Wait, no I didn't, that was a quarter of a century ago. the situation in the US is radically different, and the potential Democratic nominee is historically unpopular and may be indicted by the FBI.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:47 AM

42. yep because of a 3rd party candidate we're told

and the latest has Bill Kristol ofing up the possible gift to the DNC of a 3rd party candidate -David French

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-05-31/kristol-eyes-conservative-lawyer-for-independent-presidential-run

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Response to GRhodes (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:34 PM

2. CENK UYGAR!!!! ROFL!!!!!!

 











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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #2)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:37 PM

3. But can you ROFL yourself to sleep?

I sure can't.



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Response to dchill (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:34 AM

57. How bizarre - a poster that can only spell ROFL

and is too lazy to do anything but copy/paste a block of ROFLs as the reply to any post.

This is what passes for critical thinking in Hillary-land.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #57)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:49 PM

59. That's because critical thinking causes reality.

Can't have that.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #2)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:38 PM

4. he's got to find a new cash cow ASAP or he will have to get a real job nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:14 AM

28. I know, right? Take the Rachel Maddow show, now that's a *real* job!


It's only a real job when you work for someone else. When you do it all by yourself, you have no restrictions, you just say whatever you want!

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #2)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:38 PM

6. MOHROKTAH!!!! LMAO!!!

 










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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #2)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:40 PM

8. Head back in the sand, I see

See, this is how you all got into this position. You didn't want to listen to people telling you about Clinton's horrible polling, you didn't want to listen to people not liking her corruption, not trusting her. You didn't want to have unemotional conversations about her economic record and foreign policy record, and you don't want to be adults about approaching half the public refusing to identify with either of the major parties. Laugh all you want, it only makes sense to those in the bubble, and your bubble is shrinking.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #2)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:40 PM

9. He really is a blathering blowhard idiot

I like his style actually, too bad what he says is so dumb.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #9)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:45 PM

11. Nice claims

I like logic and facts to back up claims, and all you got is a claim. Anyone can call someone names and say unsubstantiated comments about another person. Cenk's analysis is often, not always, right on in my mind.

Any rate, have at it. He put forward some logic, cited facts, in the video, show that what he is saying is dumb. Should be easy for ya.

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Response to GRhodes (Reply #11)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:46 PM

12. I watched him nightly on MSNBC and also on TYT

He's a blowhard who makes little logical sense. Too much anger. Too much bias.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #12)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:51 PM

17. "Too much bias"

First off, if you don't like bias, I assume you don't watch any of the major networks. They have a bias, an ideological bias, a class bias, and they are biased in what issues they discuss, the range of opinion allowed on the air, etc.

I agree with Howard Zinn, it isn't possible to be free of bias. Those that put their biases out front are more honest. If you don't agree with their values, then view people with different world views.

Any rate, you're welcome to comment on the contents of the video. If not, I won't bother responding to you and you can go back to evading.

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Response to GRhodes (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:07 AM

27. I stopped watching him years ago

you know, just like those here who stopped watching Rachel, Chris's etc because they don't speak to them.

Get over it, I'm sorry that your friend isn't my cup of tea.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #27)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:30 AM

32. Well, given the posts I've seen from you

I am more likely to like someone you don't like. I just don't buy your logic. No one on TV is free of bias, not a single person, and certainly those that own the networks aren't free of ideological and class biases.

You didn't address the contents of the video that started the thread, and so I don't see why you bothered to post since you said nothing of substance about what he said.

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Response to GRhodes (Reply #32)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:44 AM

45. I said I don't like HIS bias

He's over the top with his little gestures at the audience. I'm not his lackey.

I don't watch Cenk any more - this is what happens when people lose all respect for a person.

Sorry your friend isn't my cup of tea.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:24 AM

53. Not one third party candidate will be able to win any state, and states determine

elections, not national polls

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #9)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:53 PM

18. It must really be painful...

to be the smartest supporter of a tragically flawed, morally challenged candidate who can't even convincingly pull off an inevitable primary win against a 74-year-old socialist.

Thinking of good, positive things (that are actually true) to say about her would seem to be an impossibility. So, you're left with trashing ba real progressive workhorse. Congrats!

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Response to dchill (Reply #18)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:57 PM

21. Yes, I do like Bernie

It is a shame that he isn't winning.

But yeah, Cenk is just a rambling loud-mouthed troll.

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Response to dchill (Reply #18)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:57 PM

22. Be fair now

How good of an argument would you give if you were forced to argue that gravity didn't exist?

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Response to GRhodes (Reply #22)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:05 AM

25. Welcome to DU!

Jump right in, toss ad hominems like you know everybody already.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:13 AM

40. If you guys are going to shoot every messenger with unpleasant news,

 

tell me how there will be any free press at all? Is Clinton all about censorship and shot messengers now?

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:50 AM

44. I know!

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #44)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:57 AM

47. My god those emojis

Instead of posting emojis, maybe respond with something of substance and address what was in the video. Is that possible with the Clinton crowd, to have unemotional, adult conversations about uncomfortable truths? Doesn't seem to be the case.

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Response to GRhodes (Reply #47)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:01 AM

48. Fuck 3rd party candidates, especially libertarians and their idiotic supporters.

That enough substance for you?

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Response to FSogol (Reply #48)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:10 AM

49. Nope

a seventh grader could have said as much. I think the libertarians' economic ideas are a joke, and yet 10% of the public would vote for them over the two unpopular nominees in the major parties. That's an issue.

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Response to GRhodes (Reply #49)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:14 AM

50. Laughable. The libertarians will never get 10%. n/t

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Response to FSogol (Reply #50)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:34 AM

56. I hope they don't

their economic ideas are insane. They are though, so maybe you should do less laughing and more thinking. Now, I would welcome the Green Party getting 10% nationally, and hope they do. I welcome the Democrats having to compete with someone for the left's vote. Maybe then they'll deliver more than empty words in a speech.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:19 AM

51. Johnson is polling less than 5%, and Stein less than 3%. Doesn't sound particularly

significant to me, and neither one will capture any state, and it is states that determine elections, not national polls.



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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:30 AM

55. CENK UYGAR the biggest homer for Sanders on the internets

 

Well next to HA HA Goodman anyway!

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Response to GRhodes (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:38 PM

5. If no Bernie....I'm going green.

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Response to yourout (Reply #5)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:39 PM

7. Me too.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #7)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:47 PM

16. Threepeat

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Response to yourout (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:35 AM

58. +1

 

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Response to GRhodes (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:47 PM

13. Me as well

I live in a state that will go to the Democrats anyway, so I don't have to vote for a corrupt, center-right war hawk and a reduction in my living standards.

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Response to GRhodes (Reply #13)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:47 PM

15. 16 days nt

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #15)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:54 PM

19. Translate for those outside the bubble

Is it 16 days until the "left" and the left is supposed to give a monopoly to the right wing on pushing the Democratic nominee? Is it 16 days until people are expected to stop critiquing her corruption, her center-right economic record, and her hawkishness? 16 days until the Democrats start defending the very things they should be challenging, no matter which person gets the nomination? Why in the heck should anyone stop critiquing anyone in power? How pathetic is that?

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Response to GRhodes (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:01 AM

23. 16 days until those seeking to defeat the Democratic nominee

 

and ergo elect Donald Trump take their act somewhere else.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #23)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:20 AM

29. If she loses it's because she was awful and the country was dumb enough to elect Trump.

 

This country is definitely dumb enough to elect him too.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #23)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:25 AM

30. I find the mindset to be pathetic

Let's assume the FBI doesn't drop the ax (the likely nominee has to worry about this, so head in the sand, I guess). Can you argue that she isn't corrupt? Can you argue she isn't hawkish? Can you argue that she doesn't have a center-right record? No, and how does it benefit me or working people not challenge her on these things? What you want to do is to stop critiquing her and pushing her, which no thinking person should agree to. I say this if Sanders gets the nomination. If you have a friend that is doing drugs or harming themselves, are you a good friend if you shield them from criticism, or are you a good friend if you confront them about their behavior?

You're giving the right wing a monopoly on critiquing her, and your mindset is going to turn off and alienate a lot of people. Given her horrible polling, I can't imagine a worse thing to do. This head in the sand mindset is how we got here in the first place, possibly nominating someone that may get indicted by the FBI, the most unpopular nominee in the party's history, someone that is now tied with the most unpopular nominee in polling history, and is not trusted. Wake up.

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Response to GRhodes (Reply #30)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:46 AM

35. This is tedious.

 

I dispute a lot of what your claims about her, but I really don't care to have this debate for the 1000th time with those whose mind is already made up.

Her partisan enemies--such as yourself--don't want to push her in the right direction. They want her defeated and driven from public life.

There is no point in debating those whose goals run directly counter to one's own. You want her to lose, and I want her to defeat Trump.


We have no common ground. We are not allies. There is nothing to discuss.

16 days, and then this place is for those with a common cause.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:54 AM

37. 16 days

and this place becomes a place where you all agree, and your bubble drastically shrinks.

"Her partisan enemies--such as yourself--don't want to push her in the right direction"

I stated what I want, and you can't read my damn mind. You can't just make things up so your argument becomes easier. There are many ways to push her, and providing cover for her for things you shouldn't isn't one of them. Go ahead, post 16 days in every damn thread. It looks really bad to people outside your bubble, it does.

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Response to GRhodes (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:05 AM

26. 16 days until the Hildenburg passengers have their echo chamber

 

and nobody.can say anything mean about their annointed one.

The real authoratative types (like the blowhard above) are foaming in the mouth, counting down the days to when they can alert/tattletale/ban those of us "thought criminals" who might dare criticiize her majesty.

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Response to jack_krass (Reply #26)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:27 AM

31. What a pathetic

mindset to have. My god, look at the horrible situation they've gotten themselves into, and they still haven't learned a lesson from this. Sticking the head in the sand, or sticking the fingers in the ears and going "la la la", isn't going to make uncomfortable truths go away.

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Response to GRhodes (Reply #31)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:04 AM

43. Yep, pathetic is the word

 

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Response to GRhodes (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:05 AM

39. 16 days until the Democratic party shrinks...

from its current 29% share of the electorate to a statistical insignificance. With Hillary's inability to attract independents and her overall unlikability and untrustworthiness, it's conceivable that a third party candidate could, at the least, hand the election to Trump.

Congrats are in order for the Bubblists.

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Response to dchill (Reply #39)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:52 AM

46. Well

in places like Spain and Greece, when their formerly left of center parties turned to the right on economic issues, new left of center parties have emerged (Podemos in Spain and Syriza in Greece). I realize that they have different political systems, but when a system no longer benefits the majority of people, there's no logical reason to work within the system. Sometimes systems become so corrupt and stale they become unrecoverable. Few in Mexico bother to delude themselves that the PRI can be reformed and made progressive once again. When the more "progressive" party is something like the modern Democratic Party, the time is near. Having said that, whatever emerges won't be built overnight and people cannot splinter off into a thousand different parties. If the left wants to matter nationally, it has to have a common vision and a coherent strategy on how to get there.

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Response to GRhodes (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:47 PM

14. Third parties always underperform their polling when votes get cast. nt

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #14)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:55 PM

20. You really

don't fully appreciate how much has changed in recent years and how much people are sick of the status quo. This isn't 1997, and the two major party's nominees are the most unpopular nominees in polling history.

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Response to GRhodes (Reply #20)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:01 AM

24. Clinton is the only person standing between Trump and the White House. nt

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #24)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:32 AM

34. Yuk

No thanks. Good luck to her in ducking the FBI.

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Response to GRhodes (Reply #34)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:48 AM

36. Bye. nt

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #24)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:41 AM

41. God help us all..

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:59 AM

38. Yeah, like look at Lincoln, right?

 

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Response to GRhodes (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:19 AM

52. Yeah, go vote for Gary Johnson if you wish,,,..LOL

 

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #52)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:27 AM

54. As I said below

I will vote for Stein, would never vote for the libertarians because of their economics. But yeah, go vote for the most unpopular nominee in party history, someone tied with Donald freaking Trump nationally,,,..LOL

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Response to GRhodes (Reply #54)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:40 PM

60. I get that...

 

And economics is naturally where genuine liberalism and libertarianism diverge. I hope that bridge is gapped sometime soon, because an alliance between the two ideologies would help put the fundie-dominated GOP voting base to rest for good.
With our present political system dominated by lobbyists who vouch for the "security" of shady multi-national corporations, it would be pretty profoundly naive to invest blind faith that our gov can possibly pull off corporate regulation successfully. Not all libertarians subscribe to the Ayn Rand mentality but those that do, ruin it for the rest of us.

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