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Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:44 AM

Robert Kagen Endorses Hillary!

From the May 26th Arch Druid Report:

For the connoisseur of sociopolitical absurdity, the last few weeks’ worth of news cycles very nearly defines the phrase “target-rich environment.” I note, for example, that arch-neoconservative Robert Kagan—the founder of the Project for a New American Century and principal architect of this nation’s idiotically bloodthirsty Middle East policies, a man who never met a body bag he didn’t like—has jumped party lines to endorse Hillary Clinton’s presidential ambitions.


Go. Read. Learn.


http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/2016/05/against-cultural-senility_25.html?m=1

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Reply Robert Kagen Endorses Hillary! (Original post)
Meteor Man Jun 2016 OP
applegrove Jun 2016 #1
Scuba Jun 2016 #26
madokie Jun 2016 #31
Scuba Jun 2016 #38
oasis Jun 2016 #2
Meteor Man Jun 2016 #3
oasis Jun 2016 #6
jillan Jun 2016 #9
oasis Jun 2016 #13
JackRiddler Jun 2016 #18
Meteor Man Jun 2016 #4
jfern Jun 2016 #11
oasis Jun 2016 #15
jfern Jun 2016 #19
Broward Jun 2016 #25
oasis Jun 2016 #42
Armstead Jun 2016 #30
oasis Jun 2016 #40
PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #50
nationalize the fed Jun 2016 #51
oasis Jun 2016 #53
oasis Jun 2016 #52
oasis Jun 2016 #43
Renew Deal Jun 2016 #36
oasis Jun 2016 #41
Renew Deal Jun 2016 #44
Meteor Man Jun 2016 #5
jillan Jun 2016 #8
jillan Jun 2016 #7
elleng Jun 2016 #14
Meteor Man Jun 2016 #20
winter is coming Jun 2016 #10
Meteor Man Jun 2016 #12
JackRiddler Jun 2016 #17
JackRiddler Jun 2016 #16
Nyan Jun 2016 #21
KoKo Jun 2016 #48
Vote2016 Jun 2016 #22
Doctor_J Jun 2016 #23
YouDig Jun 2016 #24
Armstead Jun 2016 #32
YouDig Jun 2016 #33
Armstead Jun 2016 #35
YouDig Jun 2016 #39
oasis Jun 2016 #47
ebayfool Jun 2016 #56
djean111 Jun 2016 #27
Peace Patriot Jun 2016 #28
Armstead Jun 2016 #34
KoKo Jun 2016 #49
Tarc Jun 2016 #29
Armstead Jun 2016 #37
Peace Patriot Jun 2016 #55
Tarc Jun 2016 #57
bemildred Jun 2016 #45
Vinca Jun 2016 #46
Octafish Jun 2016 #58
mhatrw Jun 2016 #54

Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:49 AM

1. Neocons are looking for a new perch. I doubt he gets the time of day

from Hillary.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:24 AM

26. Try to keep up ...

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-02-18/neoconservative-is-down-but-not-out-of-the-2016-race

Kagan served on Clinton’s bipartisan foreign policy advisory board when she was Secretary of State, has deep neocon roots. He was part of the Project for a New American Century, a now-defunct think tank that spanned much of the second Bush presidency and supported a “Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity.” PNAC counted Kagan, Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld, William Kristol, and Jeb Bush among its members. In 1998, some of its members—including Wolfowitz, Kagan, and Rumsfeld—signed an open letter to President Bill Clinton asking him to remove Saddam Hussein from power.

A month before the Heilbrunn piece, the Times profiled Kagan, who was critical of Obama’s foreign policy, but supported Clinton. “I feel comfortable with her on foreign policy,” Kagan told the Times. “If she pursues a policy which we think she will pursue … it’s something that might have been called neocon, but clearly her supporters are not going to call it that.”



Emphasis mine.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #26)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:41 AM

31. Why is is that so many so called, or self styled

progressives not pay attention to what they type on these pages? Statements that belie their stated or insinuated beliefs

Maybe I take what I read too seriously, I just don't know

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Response to madokie (Reply #31)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:49 AM

38. When Republicans do it we call it "willful ignorance."

 

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:52 AM

2. So what? At least he'll vote Democratic. Bernie or Busters won't. nt

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Response to oasis (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:55 AM

3. Going for the warminger Vote

Great plan!

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Response to Meteor Man (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:00 AM

6. If you see a Hillary ad heading in that direction I'm sure you'll waste

no time in posting it on DU. Until then, Kagan is just another Repulican who knows Trump is a danger to America.

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Response to oasis (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:03 AM

9. PNAC is a danger to America and to the world.

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Response to jillan (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:09 AM

13. As POTUS, Hillary will be in charge, not PNAC. So relax.

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Response to oasis (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:16 AM

18. That's soooo reassuring.

 

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Response to oasis (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:56 AM

4. Bring in the clowns!

Great plan!

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Response to oasis (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:06 AM

11. I don't vote for warmongers

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Response to jfern (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:14 AM

15. And the millions who have made Hillary the Democratic nominee don't

vote for warmongers. You're in good company.

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Response to oasis (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:18 AM

19. They might want to take a closer look at her Syria policy

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Response to oasis (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:19 AM

25. You clearly don't know what you're voting for then.

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Response to Broward (Reply #25)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:01 PM

42. Yup.blind allegiance.

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Response to oasis (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:35 AM

30. Were you here for all the talk of PNAC back in the day?

 

My,my,my how times -- and DU -- have changed

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Response to Armstead (Reply #30)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:51 PM

40. Hill did not, does not support or embrace PNAC. If one or

more former PNAC "masterminds" like her better than Trump, it's because she has a far better grasp of the critical political situation in the Middle East than does Donald Trump.

Jeb Bush, a PNAC charter member and his dopey brother George have also turned away from the GOP choice. Weekly Standard honcho and neo-con William Kristol is trying his best to stop Trump by introducing a third party challenger. There seems to be a hidden message to concerned patriots in the GOP that Hillary is the only safe option available.

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Response to oasis (Reply #40)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:43 PM

50. The first PNAC project adopted was Plan Colombia while Bill Clinton was POTUS.

Victoria Nuland is married to Robert Kagan. Nuland would likely have a prominent in a Hillary Clinton administration.

from wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland

During the Bill Clinton administration, Nuland was chief of staff to Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott before moving on to serve as deputy director for former Soviet Union affairs.

She served as the principal deputy foreign policy adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney and then as U.S. ambassador to NATO.

Nuland became special envoy for Conventional Armed Forces in Europe and then became State Department spokesperson in summer 2011.[5]

She was nominated to serve as Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs in May 2013 and sworn in to fill that role in September 2013.[6] During her confirmation hearings, she faced "sharp questions" about a memo she had sent outlining the talking points that would be used by the Obama administration in the days shortly after the 2012 Benghazi attack.[7]

In her role as Assistant Secretary, she has been the lead U.S. point person for the Ukrainian crisis. She was a key figure in establishing loan guarantees to Ukraine, including a $1 billion loan guarantee in 2014, and the provisions of non-lethal assistance to the Ukrainian military and border guard.[8][9] Along with Secretary of State John Kerry and Secretary of Defense Ash Carter, she is seen as a leading supporter of defensive weapons delivery to Ukraine. In 2016 Nuland urged Ukraine to start prosecuting corrupt officials: "It's time to start locking up people who have ripped off the Ukrainian population for too long and it is time to eradicate the cancer of corruption".[10]

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American foreign policy Ukraine, the Baltics, and other former states of the USSR are also part of the PNAC plans for global dominance as are the leftist governments of South America.

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Response to PufPuf23 (Reply #50)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:01 PM

51. The 78 day bombing of Serbia was also a PNAC project

but that fact is not exactly a popular talking point. I can't begin to imagine why...



http://web.archive.org/web/20020205133621/http://www.newamericancentury.org/balkans.htm

A problem can't begin to be addressed until it is identified.



“The affirmative task we have now is to actually create a new world order” - VP Joe Biden, 2013

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Response to nationalize the fed (Reply #51)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:11 PM

53. Nice pic of our Secretaries of State.

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Response to PufPuf23 (Reply #50)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:08 PM

52. Thanks. Great info on Nuland. nt

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Response to Armstead (Reply #30)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:06 PM

43. I put in my time getting the word out on PNAC, back in the day.

At my own expense, I printed, and distributed flyers in two major cities.

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Response to oasis (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:48 AM

36. There are votes you don't want and this is one of them

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #36)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:59 PM

41. If Kagen goes out and stumps for Hillary's campaign, then I'll

be concerned. Right now, he's just one of many GOP votes she'll get to keep Trump out of the White House.

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Response to oasis (Reply #41)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:13 PM

44. I agree

It says more about Trump than Hillary

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:59 AM

5. Go. Read. Learn.

Kagan seems to be quite sincere in his adulation for Clinton. What’s more, his wife Victoria Nuland, a Hillary Clinton protegé in the State Department and a major player in the Obama administration’s pursuit of Cold War brinksmanship against Russia, is now being rumored as Clinton’s most likely pick for Secretary of State.


http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/2016/05/against-cultural-senility_25.html?m=1

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Response to Meteor Man (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:02 AM

8. Wrong place. sorry



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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:00 AM

7. O.M.G.

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Response to jillan (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:11 AM

14. Quite something.

Been wondering what if anything Wes Clark might think/say substantively re: hrc's foreign policies, as he's endorsed her, and been a friend for a long time. Found this: http://www.scriptonitedaily.com/2013/08/27/us-general-wesley-clark-war-on-syria-planned-in-1991-as-part-of-middle-east-land-grab/

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Response to elleng (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:32 AM

20. Yep

Because War Is A Force That Gives Us Meaning https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/835823-war-is-a-force-that-gives-us-meaning

Nothing like a good old fashioned war to make everybody happy.

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:05 AM

10. With friends like that... n/t

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Response to Meteor Man (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:15 AM

17. Project, not "People"

 

You're doing the right thing posting this, of course. Thanks.

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:15 AM

16. Kagan.

 

Always get the names right!

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:34 AM

21. Robert Kagan, Victoria Nuland, Hillary Clinton.

Oh, what a great crowd. You can almost hear war drums in the backdrop.

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Response to Nyan (Reply #21)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:31 PM

48. Sadly...yes...getting louder...n/t

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:23 AM

22. Why WOULDN'T he endorse a fellow neocon? There is nothing "Democratic" about her foreign policy

 

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:15 AM

23. Disgusting

 

Kagan, Murdoch, Kissinger, Koch. To the hillarians: please stop saying the Hillary and Bernie agree 93% of the time. Don't insult Sanders like that.

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:18 AM

24. Republicans are starting to jump off the Trump ship. Good news.

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Response to YouDig (Reply #24)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:42 AM

32. Do you know anything of the PNAC....and how it used to be regarded on DU?

 

Kind of like saying "Let's put Dick Cheney on the campaign trail as a surrogate for Clinton."

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Response to Armstead (Reply #32)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:44 AM

33. Would you rather have him supporting Trump? Not me. If Republicans think Trump is too

crazy and they come over to support Hillary, that's a good thing in my book.

I don't know much about this guy, and I don't care.

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Response to YouDig (Reply #33)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:47 AM

35. yes I'd rather have him supporting Trump...and your admission.....

 

that you don't know anything about him and the PNAC is another indication that you might want to study up on your 21st Century history a little bit

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Response to Armstead (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:52 AM

39. If Republicans want to jump ship, I'm happy with that. More votes for us.

That's how you win elections, getting more votes.

So PNAC is a neo-conservative think tank that was dissolved in 2006. Co-founded by Robert Kagan and Bill Kristol. Big deal, it's not like this is David Duke. If Bill Kristol wants to get on board, I'd take him too. It's not like they are going to be running her administration.

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Response to YouDig (Reply #39)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:20 PM

47. Trump bashed Kristol yesterday in the press conference. Kristol is

doing his best to keep Trump from reaching the White House.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #35)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:01 AM

56. That whooshing sound you just heard? Your point going right over someone's head.

Another DU first. A welcome post about PNAC. And so proud of the ignorance.


I'm getting too old for this shit.

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:16 AM

27. Yep. Had a nauseous feeling that I would be seeing "Democrats" enthusiastically embracing war

 

and fracking and the TPP, now that the Third Way has oozed its greasy way into the entity formerly known as the "Democratic Party". I cannot and will not support those things, which is why the "Democratic Party" has left me.

And the kill-the-messenger thing, really, has gotten pathetic and formulaic. It is becoming like a call center operation of sorts, with hundreds of operators reading from scripts that they don't really fully understand are trite and obvious.

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:29 AM

28. The Neo-Cons are planning to ride Hillary back into the White House.

Kagan was the architect of Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld's blueprint for U.S. military occupation of the Middle East and world domination.

I've been warning about this for some time. The Neo-Con's are back. And they have Hillary as their tool this time. She wants to play with "the big boys." She vacations with and gets advice from Henry Fucking Kissinger.

This is what the Libya clusterfuck was about. This is what the Honduran coup was about. She was already "getting blooded" as Secretary of State.

Is this what feminism is these days? Playing bayonet rape, torture and murder games** with the "big boys" and not having to say you're sorry?

I am so-o-o-o-o-o-o-o disgusted by this! Kagan! Kissinger! WHAT NEXT? Cheney? Wolfowitz? Rumsfeld?

HAVE WE NOT HAD ENOUGH OF THIS!?

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**(That's how Gadaffi died. Hillary laughs about it. "We came, we saw, he died! Har-har-har!" It's on vid. Check it out.)

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Response to Peace Patriot (Reply #28)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:45 AM

34. Maybe Condi Rice will become a bi-partisan Secretary of State

 

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Response to Peace Patriot (Reply #28)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:40 PM

49. HAVE WE NOT HAD ENOUGH OF THIS!?

Couldn't agree with you more... "Enough is Enough." Let's hope that there are those in our Shadow Government getting ready to break ranks with the PNAC'ers and the death and destruction they've brought to the ME with their "Regime Change" policies while wrecking our economy by funding endless wars leaving the American people to suffer while the 1% of the MIC/Wall Street fortunate thrive.

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:34 AM

29. It is more of a commentary about how much the right hates Trump, than being about Clinton

Everytime Bill Kristol gives Trump a sad, I smile inside.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #29)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:49 AM

37. That's a little bit topsy turvey

 

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Response to Tarc (Reply #29)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:22 AM

55. Could be that that's some of it. But we cannot escape the fact that Hillary...

...has Kagan, and Henry Kissinger, as advisors. These are monstrous warmongers! They are the architects of devastation for millions of people! And, as Clinton's actions on Libya and Honduras illustrate, she is with them. She now thinks like them. Have you seen the vid of Hillary's jolly laugh at the torture and murder of Gadaffi? How could anybody laugh at that? How could anybody make a joke of it? ("We came, we saw, he died! Har-har-har!" --Hillary Clinton).

The first word that sprang to my mind, watching that vid, was "psychosis." A break with reality. Not that I think Clinton is crazy or psychotic. I think the psychosis is social--a sort of catchable disease that roams among the people who hold great power or seek great power, in the most powerful country in the world, and some people get infected with this disease. The effects may be temporary, or may lead to slaughtering a hundred thousand innocent people, if the victim of the disease is in a position to do so. (Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al.)

I'll venture a diagnosis that John Kerry has never been infected with this disease, nor Barack Obama. Kerry might have gotten immunized by his service in Vietnam. Obama just doesn't seem to have the kind of personality that would be vulnerable to it. I can't imagine him ever laughing at the torture and murder of another person, no matter who it was. Nor do I think he considers the disaster of "Hillary's War" (as I've heard it's called in DC) to be a triumph of any kind, worthy of celebration.

Maybe a better word for it is "war fever" but I do think it's catching, and I think Hillary "caught" this illness from Kagan, Kissinger and others of that ilk whom she pals around with and wants to impress. Her joking remark and her laughter at Gadaffi's murder--it seems without a thought of the horrible chaos that that act unleashed--is naked and open (for those moments in the vid), whereas her mentors mask the sense of power they get from commanding others to kill and inflicting mass death. They are colder and more practiced at it. Hillary is more like a raw recruit.

This worries me a lot about Hillary. I fear that she's they're tool, and that they do, indeed, intend to ride her back into the White House for another round of U.S. war on the Middle East and another go at "The Project For A New American Century." I'm talking about the Neo-Cons who brought us the war on Iraq. I think she has too much of a need to be accepted by these militarists.

Well, enough of my amateur psychoanalysis! I'm an old lady myself and have endured my country inflicting unjust war after unjust war upon other people in the world, while our soldiers come home crippled and broken, or in body bags. And I remember, like it was yesterday, who Henry Kissinger is and what he did, in the heyday of his mass murder binges. His name is anathema to most people of my age. When I learned that Hillary Clinton is close with Kissinger, vacations with him, is friends with that bastard, is advised by him, I knew what direction she was headed in, and I cringed, as if a car wreck was coming.

You could say that she's being very clever, wrapping all these men around her little finger, and that we probably need a president who is clever and is able to move around in all the circles of the rich and powerful. There is an argument to be made for that view (--although I don't think she's clever, leaving herself wide open to attack, as she did, with the private email server). But I don't read her that way--as a master manipulator of the imperial dons. I think it's the other way around--that she is being manipulated. That vid of her laughing at torture and murder tells me that she has caught their disease. She is, in a sense, "ill," and she doesn't hide it very well--and, in that vid, is unable to hide it at all.

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Response to Peace Patriot (Reply #55)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:32 AM

57. I have no objections to the actions taken in Libya

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:31 PM

45. Yep.

Whereas the Greeks gave to will the boundaries of reason, we have come to put the will’s impulse at the very center of reason, which has, as a result, become deadly. ... Nature is still there however. She contrasts her calm skies and her reasons with the madness of men. Until the atom too catches fire and history ends in the triumph of reason and the agony of the species. But the Greeks never said that the limit could not be overstepped. They said it existed and that whoever dared to exceed it was mercilessly struck down. Nothing in present history can contradict them.

-- A. Camus "Helen's Exile"

"A time is marked not so much by ideas that are argued about as by ideas that are taken for granted. The character of an era hangs upon what needs no defense."

-- Jonathan Lethem "The Ecstasy of Influence" Harper's Feb. 2007

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:32 PM

46. Time to invest in companies that are known as war profiteers.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #46)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:38 AM

58. That's why the Carlyle Group and Trireme Partnerships...

...even the nice lady who said all the dead Iraqi babies was "worth it" is in on the action, via Albright Stonebridge: "Money trumps peace."

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:24 PM

54. With friends like that, who needs Democrats? nt

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