2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe MSM wants Bernie to go away
Which is out of the question...His candidacy is supported by a very independent minded, angry and determined base who see his campaign as a building block for a different sort of politics. He represents a social democratic impetus that must be heard in Philadelphia and beyond. To leave now would be a betrayal of principle, something he has never done and something his supporters would never forgive him for. This election cycle has raised political principle as a necessary part of participating in the process and has revealed the "lesser of two evils" argument for what is...an excuse to ignore the democratic path we should be following for business as usual. Leave Bernie alone and let the process play out; the possibility of a real alternative depends on it.
boston bean
(36,910 posts)It's a pipe dream.
Sorry to be so blunt. But it is the truth.
It will be Hillary v Trump. Get on board or don't.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)control the Senate and the House. If that continues, then Sanders and his ilk will continue to be irrelevant.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)that would be the historic failure that is one Debbie Wassermann Schultz..
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)very reason. Why, on earth, would you sit back and expect her to promote candidates that you believe she won't ? I don't think you thought that one out very well.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)"Sanders should work on getting down ticket Democrats elected. The Republicans currently control the Senate and the House."
" The committee coordinates strategy to support Democratic Party candidates throughout the country for local, state, and national office."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)and now to hear that Sanders can't help with the down ticket but must rely on the good graces of DWS is WEAK AND PATHETIC !!!!!!!!!
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)here, let me remind you of what the op was about;
"The MSM wants Bernie to go away
Which is out of the question...His candidacy is supported by a very independent minded, angry and determined base who see his campaign as a building block for a different sort of politics. He represents a social democratic impetus that must be heard in Philadelphia and beyond. To leave now would be a betrayal of principle, something he has never done and something his supporters would never forgive him for. This election cycle has raised political principle as a necessary part of participating in the process and has revealed the "lesser of two evils" argument for what is...an excuse to ignore the democratic path we should be following for business as usual. Leave Bernie alone and let the process play out; the possibility of a real alternative depends on it."
I see nothing in there in regards to the direction you are trying to take the conversation into..
and yes DWS does need to go, I know the establishment is appalled that the left dare to challenge an entrenched DINO - but here we are.. anywho, we have plenty of threads addressing that issue..
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Your "DWS must do that " is weak and pathetic. That's all.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)everyday
he offers no solutions and only blah blah blah freestuff....never been a leader and never got stuff done in congress...but give him a microphone.....
his footnote in history is becoming smaller and smaller
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Sanders will go back to the Senate for a couple of years.
His revolution never was much but a lot of people at rallies. Nothing came of it.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Report the reality. Stop trying to create it, fuckers!
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)It must be frustrating for them.
They do the jitters really well here.
Triana
(22,666 posts)...who know Sanders will make them pay/pay their fair share of taxes and that he may regulate them and force a breakup (badly needed IMO). They don't want that. So they're going to do everything in their considerable (unfair frankly) power to stop him.
Clinton has the MONEY - the money and power of Big Media, Wall St., Big Pharma, Big AG, Big Oil & Gas, Big Insurance.
Bernie has the PEOPLE.
That's what Election 2016 boils down to: MONEY vs. PEOPLE.
It's an Oligarchy. The question is do we want it to stay that way for the rest of all of our and our children's lives or do we want our Democracy back? That's what's meant by "revolution". If we want Democracy, WE have to TAKE it, MAKE it.
MONEY will likely win though. It always does. Until the PEOPLE find a way to overtake it.
For some reason in America, too many of them either can't or don't want to. And the MONEY is horrendously, dangerously and far too powerful.
Democracy's last gasp is this year. It's been on its last legs for a while now. After this, it's gone completely and yep - forever in the United States.
Because most people here have no concept of anything else. They're afraid of anything else. And they're dumbed down by decades of corporate propaganda and gutted public schools and they will vote against themselves. That's how propaganda works after all.
thesquanderer
(12,922 posts)So while they may not want him to win, they probably don't particularly want him to immediately go away, either.
