Democratic Underground, June 16, 2016....

[FSogol]

[DemocratSinceBirth]

1. ...

[Trust Buster]

2. Yes, the good guys celebrate their victory.

[Renew Deal]

4. I don't buy that Sanders supporters are bad guys

There are bad elements and there are misguided people as there are in all groups, but Sanders supporters are our friends, partners, and allies. As a group we only have each other. No one else cares.

I'd rather have a DU full of honest and enthusiastic Sanders supporters than a DU full of stiffs that are here to trash people and rub it in.

[Trust Buster]

5. That's certainly your right to hold that opinion. Personally, I would never consider people that

have called me a "Republican", a "Third Wayer", a "corporatist" and a "paid David Brock poster" a friend of mine. There is disagreeing with one's opinion and there is personal attacks. They chose the road of personal attacks. In so doing, I do not share the same goals and values with the likes of them. Did I clear that up for you ?

[Renew Deal]

9. I understand

I've endured the insults and abuse. One of the biggest problems this cycle has been the lack of respect. It comes straight from the top of Sanders campaign. But I've been through this before. The campaign will pass and life will go on. Your opponents today are your friends tomorrow. Many are the same people that support Bernie got Obama elected, fought for equality, sent flowers to Barbara Boxer, marched against the wars.

Do you know that there are Clinton supporters this time that were Obama supporters last time? Did you know that there are former Clark and Dean supporters that fought tooth and nail in 2004 and fought together in 2008? That's the way it goes. It's better to focus on the big picture. Winning the primary is nice. Winning the GE matters. Getting a guaranteed Supreme Court justice changes things. Grudges don't.

[Trust Buster]

15. I understand and respect what you're saying. But, I don't share the comparison of the

Obama-Clinton circumstance that I've seen forwarded many times on DU. The political disparities between Hillary supporters and Sanders supporters are much greater than what we experienced with Obama and Hillary. These "new people" that Sanders attracted are very different in temperament IMO.

[betsuni]

19. I agree.

[demmiblue]

6. That was a very nice post.

Thank you.

[VulgarPoet]

8. You're more than welcome to believe that, but

people who have insinuated that I'm not really biracial, people who've called me racist, misogynistic, libertarian, tea partier, privileged(now that one's a laugh, since when is an E-4 in the military anything CLOSE to privileged) and the like are not my friends. There is a VERY large contingent of people who I've come to realize are my enemies, and it'd take a miracle on par with the second coming of a deity I haven't even believed in since I was 15 for me to consider them even close to an ally of mine.

They struck me, I struck back and removed them from my line of sight.

[LoverOfLiberty]

24. There are a number of Sanders supporters

who are not our allies. They will only vote Democratic if Sanders is on the ticket.

These are the posters who will flee after June 16th.

[Renew Deal]

36. I agree

Not much we can do for the dead ender types

[ScreamingMeemie]

52. Respectfully, there are a number of Hillary supporters who are not Democrats.

It goes both ways. I have been a happy, paying member of DU for many years, and have done my part both here (as a moderator, host and member of MIRT) and on the streets, campaigning for Democrats from Bill Clinton on through Bernie. After this primary season (thanks, in part, to some of her more vocal, distasteful supporters) I don't want to be part of campaigning for a candidate (Hillary) who doesn't care about working-class women like me. I can't knock on a door and sell someone I don't believe in. Republicans do that. Not me.

Sorry, but I am an ally to actual Democratic values, and no, that doesn't make me a scary "bad" person.

[Silver_Witch]

57. This^^

[demmiblue]

3. "The really big change coming in general election season is that people on this website...

will need to stop bashing each other." - Skinner

It will be nice to tame the Yellow Button Brigade.

[mac56]

23. Can you explain "yellow button" to me?

Eyedoan geddit.

[demmiblue]

26. Here ya go:

[mac56]

34. Got it, thanks!

[NorthCarolina]

63. Mine isn't even activated

on my page, but then again I am no longer a star member since DU jumped on board the Hillary train. Never even knew about "that yellow button" before this mention of it though.

[LWolf]

7. I'm not sure what significance June 16th has.

As far as I know, the convention is in late July, and there will be no nominee to get behind until then.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512100266

As far as DU goes? If the worst happens and Clinton ends up the nominee, I won't be talking about her at all on DU. I don't have much to say now.

That picture, though? That ain't happening. I am not going to be celebrating, or uniting with, neo-liberals.

[MohRokTah]

10. On June 16, it's STFU or GTFO.

Skinner has declared he will no longer tolerate the bullshit and DU will be 100% on a GE footing as of that date.

[IdaBriggs]

22. And also that people can't behave like assholes. YEAH! nt

[JudyM]

33. +666

[woodsprite]

61. That's not how I'm reading this post....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910516#post2

[MohRokTah]

64. It's how I read it.

99% of the anti-Hillary crap will have to go because none of it meets the criteria as laid out in that post.

[pdsimdars]

11. Everyone has seen that classic picture before but did you ever notice her stockings?

I never really saw them before. MAN! They look as thick as pants.

[FSogol]

12. All the nylon went to the war effort. Nice stockings were a real luxury. n/t

[brooklynite]

13. I was thinking more a bird quietly chirping in a tree...

[Armstead]

14. An Echo Chamber

http://davidbyrne.com/the-echo-chamber

By its nature, a social network is adept at creating in-groups that share similar likes and opinions. Like many people nowadays, followers of Trump (and other candidates) often get their news from social media platforms like Twitter and Facebook—which allows users to post articles and video from other sources. (TV is a big source of information, too, but then folks still gravitate to shows that project familiar and agreeable point of views.) The problem with Facebook and Twitter is that those platforms mostly present a point of view that you already agree with, since you only see what your “friends” are sharing. We all do this to some extent—your friends share news with you and presumably many of your friends share your viewpoints. The algorithms built into those social networks are designed to reinforce this natural human tendency and expand upon it—if you like this, you’ll like this. The networks reinforce your existing point of view in order to give you more of what you like, as that will make you happy and keep you on the network—and, in turn, more ads can be accurately targeted your way. You remain blissfully happy “knowing” or, rather, believing, more and more about less and less. Add that algorithm to folks’ natural inclination to seek points of view that confirm existing biases and you’ve got a potent combination. Once you’ve surrounded yourself with only one point of view, soon that point of view is all you hear.

[geek tragedy]

42. Every online community has some form of censorship, otherwise they're 4chan.

Acting in a manner that helps Donald Trump defeat Hillary Clinton seems like a very reasonable kind of obnoxious, toxic behavior to prohibit at a Democratic website.

[Raine1967]

70. What an amazing thing to read.

Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

[NCTraveler]

16. I might be open to a dip from some of DU's fine Clinton supporters.

[hellyall]

29. smokeless tobacco isn't good for you.

n/t

[NCTraveler]

45. That really depends.

I don't view very occasional use as being too bad. The joy overcomes the risk.

[baldguy]

17. DU will finally be safe for Democrats.

[FSogol]

18. +1. I hope so. n/t

[BillZBubb]

53. Third Way "Democrats."

[baldguy]

55. No, just Democrats.

Pretty soon, your slander won't fly anymore.

[BillZBubb]

58. Support Hillary, support the Third Way agenda. It's pretty simple--she's the embodiment of that.

Not to mention her innate corruption.

[baldguy]

62. And BoBs are nothing more than Trumpists. Without question

Donald Trump is "Bernie or Bust".

[BillZBubb]

68. You make a lot of silly comments, but that one might be near the most absurd and childish.

[Lizzie Poppet]

20. Democratic Underground, June 16, 2016...

[FSogol]

21. Hey, I thought we were the red baiters?

[fleur-de-lisa]

32. Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

On Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:59 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Democratic Underground, June 16, 2016...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2100489

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

So we have an upset user that is calling the DU a bunch of Communists. Isn't this the type of stuff that Skinner would like to clear out sooner rather than later?

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:06 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter misread the content of the political poster in the alerted post. Is that clear or have I used post and poster in confusing ways?
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh Noes! Not the TRUTH!
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think it is time for this post to leave the site. DU is a business. A private business. No one is forced to be here. The Admin of this site making the best decision they can for their business does not reflect on America at large. A broad attack on the site by tying it a Dictatorial Conspiracy strikes me as someone who no longer believes in the Democratic Party - or the Democratic Underground. I wish this poster well. They need a new home on the internet.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter is over-reaching. This is a really silly alert.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[Lizzie Poppet]

35. The alerter (hilariously) misinterpreted the image and my intent.

I practically am a Communist (a socialist, for sure), and the image was using old-school communist stylings to ridicule corporatism. So a comprehension fail led to an alert fail. Fucking priceless...

[fleur-de-lisa]

40. Yep . . . DU is getting weirder by the day.

[snooper2]

54. Sweet! You'll love this I posted

This is the way a good leader works!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027872266

[FSogol]

37. Pretty dumb alert. Nothing surprises me on DU anymore.

[cherokeeprogressive]

25. On the day after, it'll probably look like this.

BTW do you know the history and current popular view of that picture you're using as a celebratory device?

[FSogol]

28. "celebratory device?" Maybe more of a statement on "War is over, focus on destroying Trump"

You going -splain something to me?

[cherokeeprogressive]

38. I ain't explainin' shit to you, but I'd do a little research on the sexual assault aspect of it.

At least one of DU's BIGGEST Hillary supporters hates that picture.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018207201#post2

[FSogol]

46. That's one of the dangers of applying today's standards to the past.

One day mankind will think we were the biggest cretins in history because of all the fossil fuels we burned.

Here's a good sign you are in a bubble:

At least one of DU's BIGGEST Hillary supporters hates that picture.

so what?

[Betty Karlson]

27. --- is the day that Hillary supporters can finally harrass strangers with impunity?

[Cobalt Violet]

51. so nothing changes then since they already do.

[Betty Karlson]

60. we all know where the elite's allegiance lies.

[QC]

69. They've been doing that for the past year. n/t

[lagomorph777]

30. The day that half of the Democratic Party evaporates

and the other half gloats, briefly.

[FSogol]

31. DU is hardly the Democratic Party. Oh, the drama!

[pinebox]

39. Although there are several here who in fact work & volunteer for the party

[FSogol]

43. Several! Oh noes! I go to all my local Democratic party meetings, fundraisers, bbqs, etc.

Am I suspect too?

[pinebox]

47. Uh. It was a "real" comment bro. Settle down.

I meant it at face value. Not a pejorative sarcastic attack.

Suspect? Why would you be suspect of anything? Who cares if you do.

[FSogol]

48. LOL, Translation: Pinebox has in his hands a list of DUers who support the Democratic Party!

[pinebox]

49. Translation: You went down the rabbit hole

and can no longer tell when someone is being real with you vs when someone is being an asshole.

Here's a rope. Climb for fresh air.

[FSogol]

59. Maybe you should use a cypher for when your comments are real? Something like:

pinebox (R)

[pinebox]

65. Yawn

Seriously, I'm sorry you're projecting and unable to bait me into an argument while obviously misinterpreting what I said.

As far as the (R). That's interesting. I wasn't aware that Republicans were for things like cities turning things like long standing and abandoned buildings into homeless shelters that are apartments & which also happen to offer free eduction and are self reliable with huge gardens for a food supply. I also wasn't aware that Republicans were for things like a basic income for every person in America that everyone gets.

But if you want to go with that, please be my guest.

[mac56]

66. Projection. It's not just for the movies anymore.

[pinebox]

67. Apparently not

Some need to get out their bunker it seems

[geek tragedy]

44. The vast majority of Democrats are committed to seeing Clinton defeat Trump.

Those who are content to see Clinton lose to Trump are a discredited fringe.

[pinebox]

41. #Nope

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

50. Will the Loyalty Oaths come with pom-poms?

[workinclasszero]

56. Celebrate good times cmon!