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Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:36 AM Jun 2016

It's time for Democratic super-delegates to give Bernie Sanders a second look


First, Hillary is imploding amidst a rash of bad news -- from her bloated speaking fees to her dubious control over her potential co-president husband to this latest installment in the email saga that won't die.

Second, Sanders often beats presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump in head-to-head polls. The Manhattan mogul has pulled even with Clinton in many national canvasses.

And in the all-important California primary on June 7, Sanders and Clinton are in a statistical dead heat.

But most importantly, Sanders, like President Barack Obama eight years ago, has spawned a passion and an eagerness that has energized the Democratic party far more than Clinton's.


http://www.pennlive.com/opinion/2016/05/theres_nothing_super_about_hil.html#incart_river_index
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It's time for Democratic super-delegates to give Bernie Sanders a second look (Original Post) Jester Messiah Jun 2016 OP
What about Clinton's speaking fees has been newsworthy in the past six months or so? brooklynite Jun 2016 #1
just the fact that we have no idea what she told them that was worth $225k Viva_La_Revolution Jun 2016 #20
That world view isn't shared by the Super Delegates. But keep trying if it gives you hope. upaloopa Jun 2016 #2
This OP is not very well thought out. Super delegate ARE the Establishment. They are Governors, Trust Buster Jun 2016 #3
And presumably they would like to win in the general. Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #4
No, the Super delegates can't stand Sanders for his attacks. Hillary received far more votes. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #10
Do you think so? MineralMan Jun 2016 #5
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #6
From the same poster who said this last month LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #7
And I stand by it. Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #11
15 more days until members of the Not Hillary Party have to part ways geek tragedy Jun 2016 #15
Right. 400 SDs will jump ship for no reason. You keep hoping for that. baldguy Jun 2016 #8
Even though she can't draw regular folks to a GOTV rally like Bernie does, the NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #9
With all those big Bernie crowds, why hasn't he won more, then? Tarc Jun 2016 #13
Closed Democratic primaries and registered Independents mix like oil and water. NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #18
Nothing stops them from registering Tarc Jun 2016 #22
Super-delegates supporting Clinton do so because she is who the voters have chosen Tarc Jun 2016 #12
people who admire Fidel Castro aren't exactly big believers in the democratic process nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #19
and the 400 who announced before anyone else joined the race? before the first votes were cast? Viva_La_Revolution Jun 2016 #21
If Bernie loses the voting, he can't be the nominee. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #14
Love that positive, uplifting Bernie message. ucrdem Jun 2016 #16
this is the Altamont Speedway phase of the Bernie movement nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #17

brooklynite

(93,347 posts)
1. What about Clinton's speaking fees has been newsworthy in the past six months or so?
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:39 AM
Jun 2016

And I thought we'd dispensed with the whole head-to-head polls argument.

As for "energizing" the Democratic Party, apparently they're not energized enough to vote for him?

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
2. That world view isn't shared by the Super Delegates. But keep trying if it gives you hope.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:39 AM
Jun 2016

At some point reality will sink in.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
3. This OP is not very well thought out. Super delegate ARE the Establishment. They are Governors,
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:40 AM
Jun 2016

federal and state legislators, mayors and the like. Why would a group of people that Sanders has been relentlessly attacking turn around and support the guy ? You're just in a denial stage. This soon will pass.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
10. No, the Super delegates can't stand Sanders for his attacks. Hillary received far more votes.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:46 AM
Jun 2016

You will need intervention from a Messiah to see your fantasy come to fruition.....LOL

MineralMan

(146,062 posts)
5. Do you think so?
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:43 AM
Jun 2016

I noticed that, yesterday, CA Governor Jerry Brown endorsed Hillary Clinton. He's a super delegate, too.

The thing is that the super delegates are pretty much all long-time Democratic Party leaders and elected officials. They're pretty politically savvy, and have formed their opinions over time. For most, an early endorsement of Clinton's candidacy was based on long-term thinking and experience.

Those who think that many of those solid Democratic Party members are going to suddenly abandon that and opt to endorse Bernie Sanders are kidding themselves. The vast majority of super delegates will stick with their earlier decision to support Hillary. They don't really have any reason to change their opinion. So, they won't.

What they'll do is look at the pledged delegate count and popular vote following the June 7 primaries and that will convince them that they were right in the first place. Hillary will have the majority in both. Why would any super delegate switch to the candidate that has lost both of those things?

It's not happening. Sorry.

LoverOfLiberty

(1,438 posts)
7. From the same poster who said this last month
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:44 AM
Jun 2016
"Hillary should get out.

Because she's a republican-loving warmongering bag of sleaze who never met a corporate anus she couldn't pucker up and kiss."
 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
11. And I stand by it.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:46 AM
Jun 2016

But weren't you the one who alerted and had that post hidden? Thanks for bringing it back out into the light. Censorship sucks, am I right?

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
9. Even though she can't draw regular folks to a GOTV rally like Bernie does, the
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:46 AM
Jun 2016

establishment media pundits nevertheless LOVE her, even if the average voter doesn't. TPTB already lost the Bush half of their 2016 campaign script to the Donald, they will do whatever it takes to ensure they do not lose their one remaining horse in the race.

Tarc

(10,469 posts)
13. With all those big Bernie crowds, why hasn't he won more, then?
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:57 AM
Jun 2016

Why can't these YUUUGE CROWDS get to the ballot box in sufficient numbers?

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
18. Closed Democratic primaries and registered Independents mix like oil and water.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:07 AM
Jun 2016

They can all vote in the GE though.

Tarc

(10,469 posts)
12. Super-delegates supporting Clinton do so because she is who the voters have chosen
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:56 AM
Jun 2016

I find it odd that the supporters of the grassroots "of the people" candidate wan't something very UNdemocratic to happen to propel their candidate to the nomination.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
14. If Bernie loses the voting, he can't be the nominee.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:05 AM
Jun 2016

People who respect democracy agree with that basic principle.

Certain authoritarians do not respect democracy, especially if they dislike the will of the voters, so they do not care about this.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
16. Love that positive, uplifting Bernie message.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:06 AM
Jun 2016
First, Hillary is imploding amidst a rash of bad news -- from her bloated speaking fees to her dubious control over her potential co-president husband to this latest installment in the email saga that won't die.


Such idealism.

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