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FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:22 AM Jun 2016

Hillary Clinton’s Emails Now Might Finally Take Her Down

Note the author's mini-bio before responding with the jerking knee:

Dan Metcalfe is a registered Democrat who has long said that he will vote for Hillary Clinton in November “if she escapes indictment and manages to become the Democratic presidential nominee.” He served as Director of the Justice Department’s Office of Information and Privacy for more than 25 years, during which time he handled information-disclosure policy issues on the dozens of Clinton Administration scandals that arose within public view, as well as two that did not. Since retiring in 2007, he has taught secrecy law at American University’s Washington College of Law.

For those of us who recognized from the outset that Ms. Clinton’s exclusive use of a personal email system for all her official business (not to mention her unprecedented use of a private server atop that) was a clear violation of the Federal Records Act (“FRA”), the findings of the State Department’s Inspector General (“IG”) to that effect in his May 25 report were no surprise. In fact, on the admitted facts of the case, no other conclusion was possible, and it was simply another “shoe waiting to be dropped.”

To us, knowing that there are no applicable penalties within the FRA (or in the FOIA, for that matter, which Ms. Clinton also blatantly circumvented), the primary significance of the IG report is that it so flatly and persuasively belies nearly every public “defense” that she has uttered on the matter, from her extraordinary news conference at the United Nations on March 10 of last year to even her initial stunned reactions to the IG report itself this past week.

No, her self-serving email set-up was not “allowed” under the State Department’s rules. No, she was not “permitted” to use a personal email system exclusively as she did. No, what she did was hardly just a matter of her “personal convenience.” No, there is no evidence that any State Department attorney (other than perhaps Secretary Clinton herself) ever gave “legal approval” to any part of her special email system. No, everything she did was not “fully above board” or in compliance with the “letter and spirit of the rules,” far from it. Yes, she was indeed required by the FRA to maintain all official emails in an official system for proper review, delineation, and retention upon her departure. Yes, her private server equipment was in fact the subject of multiple attempted intrusion attempts (i.e., hacks), including by foreign nations. The list goes on and on. (Note that this does not even include Ms. Clinton’s many serious “misstatements” about her handling of classified or potentially classified information.)

...snip...

If you’re a do-or-die Clinton supporter on the other hand, you look at the IG report as a damning blow to your candidate, as you must, but you console yourself with the fact that it is in effect a “civil law indictment” of her, not a criminal law one. After all, only the Department of Justice can take that latter step and it is clear to you that Ms. Clinton had no intent to break any criminal law — so she’s still got that going for her, right? But what if you’re a more mainstream member of the Democratic Party, one who views him- or herself as a “keeper of the flame” and cares above all else about a Democratic victory in November — both nationwide and locally, “up and down the ticket,” so to speak. You, my friend, are simply scared to death, terrified even, for reasons that are truly unprecedented.


http://lawnewz.com/politics/hillary-clintons-emails-now-might-finally-take-her-down/
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Hillary Clinton’s Emails Now Might Finally Take Her Down (Original Post) FBaggins Jun 2016 OP
Clap harder DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #1
Clap, clap NWCorona Jun 2016 #22
servergate, if you please Viva_La_Revolution Jun 2016 #36
... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #37
Lol, Reagan appointee claims to be a Hillary supporter while chanting "Hillary for Prison 2016" geek tragedy Jun 2016 #2
They shouldn't go to the Oval Office, either. dchill Jun 2016 #4
"15 more days until those who don't prefer Clinton to Trump leave us Democrats alone." DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #8
Either they STFU, or they GTFO! eom MohRokTah Jun 2016 #12
You put it more bluntly. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #13
DSB, thanks for the gif...made me laugh!!!! all american girl Jun 2016 #21
Like this one. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #28
You are making me so happy...and on a day like today, that's pure awesome... all american girl Jun 2016 #29
... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #31
There's that jerking knee, eh? FBaggins Jun 2016 #24
Yes, threads like this do go away during the general election. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #25
Not a chance FBaggins Jun 2016 #32
How many threads criticizing Obama for Benghazi did you see in 2012? geek tragedy Jun 2016 #33
In 2012? FBaggins Jun 2016 #42
primary season ends in two weeks here, after the voting is over. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #46
That's where you're confused FBaggins Jun 2016 #49
this OP is not a thoughtful analysis but rather a hostile screed. anyone who refers to the OIG geek tragedy Jun 2016 #50
Sorry. Untrue. FBaggins Jun 2016 #53
Seems he did not read it correctly. Bonobo Jun 2016 #59
Now see... THAT's the kind of post that's going to be a problem in a couple weeks. FBaggins Jun 2016 #60
Hillary seems to have a "get out of jail free card". Not sure exactly how she acquired it. ladjf Jun 2016 #3
Power and money--the usual requirements. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #6
Gov. Don Seigleman was sentence to 78 months in jail on ladjf Jun 2016 #10
That's right he didn't. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #18
Did Colon Powell spend time in prison for the same thing? No? workinclasszero Jun 2016 #7
If she wasn't running for pres there wouldn't even be an investigation DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #9
Pray harder the Indictment Fairy can't hear you. workinclasszero Jun 2016 #20
It. Was. Not. The. Same. Thing. ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2016 #16
Pray harder the Indictment Fairy can't hear you. workinclasszero Jun 2016 #23
Click your heels three times. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #26
exactly... The "everyone did it" lie has already been exposed... Yurovsky Jun 2016 #41
Total BS workinclasszero Jun 2016 #56
As an aside, there are at least some new IF pictures here. libdem4life Jun 2016 #58
he didn't use a private server, but you know that Viva_La_Revolution Jun 2016 #38
The Sanders campaign dies a pathetic death workinclasszero Jun 2016 #39
Ah, this is how the HIllarians try to win our votes. ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2016 #40
Who the hell is trying to win your vote cause it aint me I assure you workinclasszero Jun 2016 #44
Caught in a lie, you resort to this nonsense. frylock Jun 2016 #47
"Colon" Powell didn't do the same thing. frylock Jun 2016 #43
Do you not understand that a Justice Dept. run by... Herman4747 Jun 2016 #54
Very good review of the situation. Rec'd. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #5
THE INDICTMENT FAIRY IS COMING!!! THE INDICTMENT FAIRY IS COMING!!! MohRokTah Jun 2016 #11
It's amusing that people think their scorn will change reality. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #14
We're just shot from "amusing" to highly disturbing. Bonobo Jun 2016 #17
LOL DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #19
Its all the berners have since Hillary cleaned Bernie's clock in the primary workinclasszero Jun 2016 #35
The full-scale denial is going to make the emotional breakdowns highly entertaining. frylock Jun 2016 #48
Holy fuck. This is damning in the extreme. Bonobo Jun 2016 #15
There desperation in the OPs.... seabeyond Jun 2016 #27
Sanders couldn't "take her down". What do they have left but desperate foolishness between Trust Buster Jun 2016 #30
Tomorrow will always be a new "now" for you. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #34
sure tandot Jun 2016 #45
Recommend Read... KoKo Jun 2016 #51
K & R AzDar Jun 2016 #52
People are forgetting the FBI head is a Republican from the Bush admin. who voted McCain and Romney EndElectoral Jun 2016 #55
K & R imagine2015 Jun 2016 #57
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
2. Lol, Reagan appointee claims to be a Hillary supporter while chanting "Hillary for Prison 2016"
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:24 AM
Jun 2016

P.S. No one goes to jail for violating FOIA.

15 more days until those who don't prefer Clinton to Trump leave us Democrats alone

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
29. You are making me so happy...and on a day like today, that's pure awesome...
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:56 AM
Jun 2016

Where I'm at...nothing but pouring down rain for 3 days....I need some sun!!!!!!

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
24. There's that jerking knee, eh?
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:45 AM
Jun 2016

It takes some serious spin to turn him into a Reaganite. I suppose he registered as a Democrat so that he could cover it up?

15 more days until those who don't prefer Clinton to Trump leave us Democrats alone

Did Skinner say anything about sticking our heads in the sand at that point too? Threads like this don't go away during the general election... because they're real sources that we'll have to deal with - not RW rags shilling for Trump. Posts that say "I knew that $&%&$& was going to cost us the election - I'm voting for Trump!" will get blocked (as they should always have been) , but not threads like this.

P.S. No one goes to jail for violating FOIA.


Seems like he's got your number, eh?

but you console yourself with the fact that it is in effect a “civil law indictment” of her, not a criminal law one. After all, only the Department of Justice can take that latter step and it is clear to you that Ms. Clinton had no intent to break any criminal law — so she’s still got that going for her, right?


 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
25. Yes, threads like this do go away during the general election.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:50 AM
Jun 2016

The fact that he refers to this as "civil law indictment" shows he's an utter hack.

Those trying to help defeat the Democratic nominee will not be welcome here in 15 days.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
32. Not a chance
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:03 AM
Jun 2016

We don't get to wish away bad news. We can call him a hack, but his resume says exactly the opposite. He put it in quotes and said "in effect" - it's clear what he meant and that he doesn't think there is such a thing. Entertaining that he has you pegged so clearly.

Those trying to help defeat the Democratic nominee will not be welcome here in 15 days.

Sigh. But what about all the loyal, longtime DUer Democrats who you imagine are "trying to help defeat the Democratic nominee" and fail to pass your purity test? It's clear that there are lots of those on DU. Skinner isn't going to hamstring DUs finances by banning the overwhelming majority of DUers just because they preferred the more progressive candidate.

For the record... I've made clear that I'll be voting for Clinton in November (absent a Deus-ex-Machina moment) and was long-ago banned from the Sanders group for failing to drink the cool aid that Bernie wasn't really a socialist.

Her email "scandal" will certainly be an ongoing issue throughout the campaign that Democrats will have to deal with. We won't be hiding those threads if they're from legitimate news sources. We'll no doubt hide the ones from new posters who are suddenly "concerned" that something Hannity said was going to hurt us... but the issue doesn't go away just because her strongest supporters want to play all three monkeys at once.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
33. How many threads criticizing Obama for Benghazi did you see in 2012?
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:06 AM
Jun 2016

Or criticizing him for Jeremiah Wright after the primaries were over?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
46. primary season ends in two weeks here, after the voting is over.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:22 AM
Jun 2016

then we have our nominee. At that point, no pissing in the pool.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
49. That's where you're confused
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:24 AM
Jun 2016

"No pissing in the pool" does not mean that we don't discuss the news and what impact it could have on the race or how to deal with it.

We would not be helping our candidate win the election by pretending that some issues don't exist.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
50. this OP is not a thoughtful analysis but rather a hostile screed. anyone who refers to the OIG
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:26 AM
Jun 2016

report as a "civil law indictment" has an explicitly hostile agenda.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
53. Sorry. Untrue.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:34 AM
Jun 2016
Anyone who refers to the OIG report as a "civil law indictment" has an explicitly hostile agenda.

And he didn't do that. Did you even read what you're replying to? He was referring to her "do or die" supporters who have to deal with the IG report by concentrating on the fact that it isn't a criminal indictment - as you just did. Nowhere does he pretend that there is such a thing as a civil indictment.

Such articles aren't going to magically go away in two weeks. Posters who are still trying to kill her candidacy will be gone (and good riddance), but mainstream news doesn't cease to exist just because it's inconvenient... just as Bernie didn't cease to be a socialist just because the Bernie group decided to ban anyone who admitted it.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
60. Now see... THAT's the kind of post that's going to be a problem in a couple weeks.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:00 PM
Jun 2016

There's no need to make it personal like that (on either side really).

Implying that Clinton supporters know (or should know) that she's a crook and are broken up about having to stick with her is just as inappropriate as taunting Sanders supporters (the clear majority on DU from what I've seen) when he eventually has to step aside.

We can't hide bad news just because we don't want to deal with it... but we also can't continue to snipe at each other. A national version of that nonsense is more likely to give us President Trump than the email scandal.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
10. Gov. Don Seigleman was sentence to 78 months in jail on
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:31 AM
Jun 2016

charges that were never legitimately proven to be true.

He probably didn't have enough money and/or power.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
7. Did Colon Powell spend time in prison for the same thing? No?
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:29 AM
Jun 2016

Was he even criticized by anyone for it? No?

Pray harder the Indictment Fairy can't hear you.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
9. If she wasn't running for pres there wouldn't even be an investigation
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:31 AM
Jun 2016

That suggests she is held to a higher standard than you or I.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
16. It. Was. Not. The. Same. Thing.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:35 AM
Jun 2016

No matter how often you repeat that lie, it still will never be true.

After she is indicted, I wonder what your position should be? Should she continue to run, so she can pardon herself?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
26. Click your heels three times.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:51 AM
Jun 2016
After she is indicted, I wonder what your position should be? Should she continue to run, so she can pardon herself?

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
41. exactly... The "everyone did it" lie has already been exposed...
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:19 AM
Jun 2016

yet the Cult of Hillary still clings to Her Majesty's lie. I guess if Hillary said it, it must be true, or at least that's how they see the world.

I guess if Hillary gets tossed in the slammer they'll think she's just visiting...

Bottom line, she broke the law. Now it's just a matter of whether she'll be indicted, impeached, or both...

Linking fairy pictures doesn't alter the reality that Hillary has self-inflicted political wounds that will end her career in shame.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
58. As an aside, there are at least some new IF pictures here.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:42 AM
Jun 2016

That one of a very ugly guy with a girl's clothes, unflattering camera angle and even uglier wings ... does not do any "fairy " any favors...especially the subject at hand.

The others look more appropriate. JMO.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
39. The Sanders campaign dies a pathetic death
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:14 AM
Jun 2016

Hopin the FBI will save them because America rejected their fantasy land BS.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
54. Do you not understand that a Justice Dept. run by...
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:34 AM
Jun 2016

...a Bush II appointee would let Mr. Colin Powell get away with it (that is, if your allegation is in fact true)?

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
14. It's amusing that people think their scorn will change reality.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:35 AM
Jun 2016

Last edited Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:30 AM - Edit history (1)

I'm well-stocked with popcorn. And as a real-time follower of Watergate, I know how to wait for the last shoe to drop. It might be an Imelda-Marcos-closetful of shoes this time.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
17. We're just shot from "amusing" to highly disturbing.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:36 AM
Jun 2016

All the ROFLMAO's in the world are not going to make THIS go away.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
35. Its all the berners have since Hillary cleaned Bernie's clock in the primary
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:07 AM
Jun 2016

Trump is right there with them too, praying to the Indictment Fairy.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
48. The full-scale denial is going to make the emotional breakdowns highly entertaining.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:24 AM
Jun 2016

Normally, I'd feel some degree of sympathy, but I'm going really enjoy the show.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
15. Holy fuck. This is damning in the extreme.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:35 AM
Jun 2016

We are fucked. And no, this piece, far from being "Pro Sanders" comes out and says that Sanders is also a bad choice to run against Trump...

This is getting very, very scary.

As I have said, a train wreck. In slow motion. And denial or ear-plugging is not going to help.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
30. Sanders couldn't "take her down". What do they have left but desperate foolishness between
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:57 AM
Jun 2016

now and June 16.

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