2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI believe NJ and Cali might severely weaken Sanders standing.
To those of us who pay close attention to politics we know NJ and Cali are really uncertain at this point. I would hate to be running a campaign under these conditions.
The nominee is known. Outside of a small group of very special people, we know Clinton is going to be the nominee. How does Clinton get her people to the polls?
The nominee is known. Outside of a small group of very special people, we know Clinton is going to be the nominee. How does Sanders get his people to the polls?
I'm going to argue that NJ and Cali will be landslides for Clinton. Clinton has been staying on message and building her coalition. She is gaining SD's and big endorsements almost every single day. Outside of her attacks on Trump she has been staying on message and positive. That is know as building your core support in politics. All of her opposition is attacking her relentlessly. Not promoting their own qualities.
Sanders is now, for the most part, running against everyone and everything. It's hard to find a positive message though one occasionally creeps in. It is a tactic to attempt to suppress your opponents vote. The problem is it doesn't increase ones base coalition. We have seen SD's and prominent supporters of Sanders leaving him or speaking less than flattering of him over the past weeks. We know Sanders has a very enthusiastic base but they aren't even close to putting him over the top. He has had to count on Democrats to put him over the top in many instances. I believe they have and are leaving him in droves. Some of the more recent national polls back that thought.
The DNC and Clinton should be completely hands off with respect to the Sanders campaign until after these two states have voted. They are being promoted as possibly being something positive for Sanders when he has already lost the nomination. Losing these two states big would simply crush the limited clout he has amassed. Gone. Bye.
The people in our process have spoken and their voice is crystal clear; they want Clinton. Time to let the remaining states voice their opinion and I think that opinion is going to be huge for Clinton.
That being said, what a strange environment to try to get people to the polls. I would hate to be running either campaign.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,333 posts)jk
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)Because any argument based on "MIGHT" is pretty highly suspect.
You've heard the saying that "monkeys might fly out of your butt" as well.
Here's another "might" headline.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/us-elections-2016/Hillary-Clinton-might-not-be-nominee-this-is-not-just-a-theory-anymore-Report/articleshow/52538677.cms
Here's another one. This time they use "could".
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/us-elections-hillary-clinton-could-lose-democratic-nomination-to-bernie-sanders-a7059076.html
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)SpareribSP
(325 posts)What will probably happen is Bernie will do okay but won't nearly make up the distance. I'd be pretty surprised by a Hillary landslide.
I think Bernie supporters would still back him even if he lost those states though, and will continue to raise issues with Hillary's policies.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Of Hillary voters staying home after she has big nights that make her look inevitable.
Bernie had a good stretch of results, after Super Tuesday (won Michigan), after FL/IL/OH (won Wisconsin), and after NY/PA/MD (won Indiana).
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I really don't know what is going to happen. I would hate to be charged with the GOTV effort in these two states.
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aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)Bernie's message has stayed positive and a lot people are still coming to his events and blviting for him (albeit not enough to win the nomination). Criticizing the process is not negative campaigning.
Bernie is doing a great job campaigning against one of the most formidable political machnes in US history. Yes he will lose and you will rejoice.
Your concern about clout is typical of a HRC supporter who doesn't understand a candidate with principles.