A Frenzy of Anti-Clinton Posts on DU Won't Affect Anything

[MineralMan]

As the June 7 primaries loom closer, it seems like there is a redoubling of the effort to post just about anything that is negative with regard to Hillary Clinton. From the frequently seen photo of the Clintons standing at a wedding reception with Donald trump to a plethora of right-wing bloggers with "bad news" about Clinton, DU seems to be pulling out the stops all the way and kicking the FULL ORGAN piston in an attempt to fill the Internet with the loudest possible sound (sorry about the pipe organ reference).

It's a lot of work digging up that stuff, but it's a total waste of time. One look at the view count for posts in GD-P demonstrates that only a handful of people see that stuff, and even fewer live in June 7 primary states. So, what's the frenzy about, really?

In California, New Jersey, New Mexico and the other states that vote next Tuesday, voters will be making their choices based on all sorts of criteria. They won't be checking into DU to see what right-wing pundits think or to go over the email controversy one more time. They already know who they'll vote for, and what they do will be duly reported on Tuesday night and Wednesday morning.

DU is a great place for Democrats to discuss politics, but it has almost nothing to do with the actual voting. A couple thousand people read this site every day, and a few people post things for them to read. Most have already voted. Most have already made up their minds. Most know that electing Donald Trump is about the worst thing that could happen in November.

I'm sure the posting will continue apace, but it's not going to change the outcome one bit. We'll know the results after people vote. That's how it always works. People vote. Pledged delegates are allocated in states, and we get to see what happened. But we don't make any of it happen. We just don't.

[NCTraveler]

1. But it is fun to watch. nt.

[aikoaiko]

15. More fun to do. You should know from your antiBernie OPs

[NCTraveler]

18. No, I think it's more fun to watch.

But what do I know before you tell me what I'm allowed to know about myself. lol.

[aikoaiko]

19. Then why do you take time away from watching to post antiBernie OPs?

[NCTraveler]

20. I'm not a one trick pony.

Unlike the Sanders camp, I seem to be able to do more than simply trash all that is good around me. I appreciate that question from you. Some other things make more sense now.

[aikoaiko]

21. I will agree that you are more than a one-trick pony.

You do a fair share of trashing Bernie and his supporters.

And Camp Bernie as you call us have plenty of positive things to say about Bernie that you and yours mock.

[NCTraveler]

23. Some of you are the best posters on this board.

I don't doubt that for a second. A couple of Sanders posters here are my favorites of all time. Still are.

"You do a fair share of trashing Bernie and his supporters."

I do think on a number of instances I have gone overboard on my attacks of Sanders. Ok. Not think. I know I have. Sanders is overall a solid guy and the parties tent should be big enough to include him. I have said that from the beginning. "Supporters" on the other hand, I have been very generous and tempered with. Some of them deserve much more scorn than given. Please not I said some.

"And Camp Bernie as you call us have plenty of positive things to say about Bernie"

Not really. GD P has very little positive about Sanders at all times. There are always more complimentary ops on Clinton than Sanders. I do think that is a part of human nature as well. Most Sanders supporters are more displeased with the system than Clinton supporters so they automatically are on a more pessimistic/negative footing. I don't think that is a bad comment. I share many of their deep concerns.

[aikoaiko]

26. Likewise there are Hillary supporters deserve more scorn than they have received

I'm glad you think the party's tent should include Sanders and his agenda. Only 40-45 % of primary voters think he should be the nominee. Maybe even a seat at the kiddie table inside the tent.

I know you're trying to be magnanimous here, but like most HRC supported you have to diminish Sanders while trying.

Barring some catastrophe HRC will be the nominee and president. The Clintons have worked a long time for this. I'm glad the Democratic Party will be the party to get behind the first female US President. I always hated that Reagin beat us to the Supreme Court.

Having said that I will be changing my affiliation to independent because of this primary. As I said elsewhere I may end up voting for HRC because of Trump but I will never support her. I dont think I'll be able to admit to anyone that I voted for her out of shame. And I know HRC supporters won't care because all that matters is HRC winning. POC and women think they will get something with her presidency and I hope so because then there will at least be some good to come from it. I'm doubtful.

[NCTraveler]

30. I don't think you do get where I'm coming from.

I'm not talking kiddie table crap. Our tent should include Sanders. He simply isn't that far left. Much of his support is further to the left than he is and they aren't a good match for the party. Sanders himself fits in.

Some have difficulty separating Sanders supporters from Sanders himself. Overall, they aren't on the same page.

Nothing magnanimous here.

[Maru Kitteh]

24. Because sometimes they are so goddamned funny, we can't help it. Thinks like

"Bernie will be the Savior of the Democratic party." (yes that was an actual post)

Some of ya'll have been living in a bouncy castle built on rainbows. What's not to mock?

[aikoaiko]

37. OFFS there are adulous posts from HRC supporters too.

Maybe you're happy with the party and the current state of economic and social affairs but there are a lot of us who think it needs to change.

[Jester Messiah]

2. "A lot of work" ?

No sir, easy as pie to find. It's no trouble I assure you. The news media is absolutely rife with bad news for and about Hillary. You'd have to shut your eyes or else enter some kind of echo chamber... oh I see. Carry on then.

[MineralMan]

4. I will carry on, thanks. I'll be working my ass off to

keep Donald Trump out of the White House. How about you?

[Fast Walker 52]

8. those who support Bernie ALSO think they are working their asses off to keep Trump out of the WH

The thing is, a lot of people worry about Hillary's numbers.

It's nice you are so confident in her.

[Demsrule86]

56. So you worry about Hillary's numbers

But she has an insurmountable delegate lead, thus you trash her and reduce the numbers further...sounds like helping Trump to me...anger and spite.

[Fast Walker 52]

61. No, it sounds like supporting my candidate of choice. It's not over.

It's close to over, but it's not over.

[lunamagica]

57. Is that the same media that's "in the tank" for her?

[MohRokTah]

3. But it is like watching a slow train wreck.

The train collides with the side of the mountain on June 7.

[MineralMan]

5. I suppose. Trouble is that there's a tunnel

coming up and the Donald Trump train is on the tracks, heading the opposite direction from the Democratic train. A train wreck is possible unless we can move the rail switch and put the Trump train on a siding. That's what I'm trying to do and that's the thing I'll keep trying to do until November.

[think]

6. Watching Hillary get caught lying & breaking govt rules does resemble a slow train wreck....

[840high]

35. ...!100++++

[firebrand80]

7. I don't think it's even reached it's peak yet

That will happen after the "corporate" media starts "lying" to the public by calling Hillary the presumptive nominee.

[CorkySt.Clair]

10. If she wins Cali and the others on Tuesday

And there is no indictment I hope someone has grief counselors standing by for the Berners here because they're going to need them.

Actually at this point it's down to hoping the presumptive nominee gets a visit from the indictment fairy. The Cali results are not as relevant to them as hoping for that.

What began as an issues campaign has quickly devolved into a BoB sewer.

Sad.

[onehandle]

9. Actually, they've almost convinced me.

To come here much less often.

Waiting with bated breath to see what changes on June 16th.

[aikoaiko]

17. Don't tease me like that.

[NWCorona]

11. While I do agree with you that the posts will have little impact on the minds here

The subject matter of the most recent posts tells me that Hillary's political future isn't in the hands of the voters anymore.

[HumanityExperiment]

12. Bubble initiative commences...

I see the insulation within the bubble has begun, ticking off as each day passes and gets closer to the 15th...

I will fully expect majority of HRC supporters out with 'post pitchforks' and 'topic torches' to snare folks into banning action

Once that 'purge' has run its course the bubble will be complete

This 'DU is a great place for Democrats to discuss politics', let me correct... 'DU is a great place for establishment Democrats to post'

There isn't much 'discussion' going on, let me give one example

HRC's unfavorables are historically high, same as Trumps, knowing these are the facts and that both are running dead even... any post that points this out is met with an instant pivot away and statement that these numbers will 'change', really? Let's discuss that point... but alas that 'topic' will be met with the ban hammer in some way shape or form....

Here's one of those lovely establishment type posts: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512101832

So taking that post, primaries don't really matter now do they...

then there's this...
'Most know that electing Donald Trump is about the worst thing that could happen in November.'

If Trump is that bad, or the 'worst thing', why is HRC dead even with him, why are her and his unfavorables both at historic levels?

You point to party, I would reply with principle, which I believe is more important that party... but you would disagree... so if you want HRC to 'win' then you better get crackin' at making a better case since the folks standing for principled policies / issues are quite numerous and your only option to beat 'Donald Trump...the worst thing that could happen in November.' will require more than just DEM party

you can tout party... but this fight is going to need more than just DEM party to win

[randome]

25. Like most Sanders supporters, you talk more about Clinton than Sanders.

If 3 million more voters have said they prefer Clinton, what business is it of yours or mine to say they're wrong? Maybe, just maybe, you're wrong?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[HumanityExperiment]

41. ...principle...

principles stand on their own merit, HRC has shown to have a much tougher time with principle.. hence my point about historic unfavorables

We live in a 'reality tv' culture, where name recognition is a premium and can be leveraged into catapulting someone into a 'lead' position in most contest involving public input...

Bernie started out at 3%, was labelled 'fringe candidate', scroll through the posts here in GD-P and I'm sure many HRC supporters posted that very narrative...

what's 'wrong' is that you're missing the point about public gullibility and reality tv mentalility, so maybe, just maybe you're missing the more critical point

[Warren Stupidity]

13. Yours included.

At this point the endless tirades against Sander's supporters should be considered deliberate efforts to sabotage the Democratic Party's chances in November.

[aikoaiko]

14. People are discussing the candidates for the party's nomination. That's worthwhile.

Your OPs seem to be a lot of work for you and are probably a waste of time, but yet you do them. Even if you are correct about anti-HRC pieces, why would you try to persuade others to not do the very thing you indulge often?

[azurnoir]

16. no DU will not change the outcome but at least some of the more virelent anti-Hillary posters were

corralled here, now they will be turned loose on the wider net with a much larger audience

[geek tragedy]

22. Who's going to give the Not Hillary types a platform?

Trump's too broke to hire them.

They'll be ignored.

[David__77]

27. Probably not much more or less than anything else posted on this site.

Some people might be motivated by posts to take some action or to not take some action. Others might have some emotional reaction or another.

[Garrett78]

28. And I'm sure the vast majority of people in the US have never even heard of DU.

Nothing posted here impacts US politics.

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. Though at one time it did

Those glory years are very much gone. But congressional staffers used to read this place, especially for the deep though investigative pieces that good people, since chased or banned, or who have passed, produced. Those days are not just long gone, but as more people are chased, that institutional memory is gone.

But you are right, that moment in the sun is gone, and damn was it fleeting

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

29. DU won't affect anything.

It's an internet message board where people work themselves into a lather fighting with total strangers whom they will never meet and who might be paid trolls. It's entertainment, basically.

[Garrett78]

33. Agreed.

Though I doubt anyone is getting paid to post here.

[beachbumbob]

31. It's over for sanders

All he can do is con his supporters at this point

[1StrongBlackMan]

32. The cynic in me ...

says, they are kicking the views, so when the memes are (re)searched during the G/E, by the people that haven't been paying attention during the primaries, the memes will be all the more convincing because ... "this must be true/important ... it came up first in my google!"

[LexVegas]

34. It makes it even sweeter when you see most of them swallow their pride on the 16th.

[MineralMan]

36. I'm not much for gloating. I don't find it useful.

Instead, I think people should support the candidate they prefer. If their candidate doesn't succeed, however, there's a far more ominous consequence lurking in November. People of sense recognize that and shift their support to the better of the two options.

Now, those who can't see their way to do that are simply acting out of spite, and spite is one of the ugliest human responses.

Once it's certain who the nominee will be, spiteful people will be way off my radar. We have a nation to save in November, and the threat is real. We must act. We must vote together.

But I won't be gloating. I'll be welcoming Democrats who understand what the real race is.

[840high]

38. That will be your joy? How very

childish and sad.

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. And this is why I think of many of you as nothing more than well

children

This is the way children behave in the face of a very serious issues. Don't Danders me, the emails and the FBI investigation is her own doing.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

51. Would be possible for some of you to at least try to be gracious in victory?

Sore losers are annoying; sore winners are assholes.

[Android3.14]

39. Oh get over yourself. She'll probably win the nomination, but will lose the general election

And you will have no one to blame but yourself for supporting such a damaged candidate...except that you won't. You'll probably act like those other idiots during the mid-terms and blame the people she was unable to lead.

[MineralMan]

40. I see. I guess I can't count on your vote for Hillary in November, then.

Good luck to you...

[Android3.14]

45. Real Democrats can count on my vote. Otherwise, I'm keeping my integrity

She might be able to count on my vote, but I don't think it will matter. She, and folks like you, have proven what a sham is our democracy.

If she wins the primary, it will be because TPTB have deemed it so. If she wins the general, it will be for the same reasons. Our voting franchise means nothing.

You are a brick in the wall.

[MineralMan]

47. A brick in the wall. Yes, in fact, I am.

And that wall is still standing strong. Maybe someone will put you back in that will with a little mortar and make it even stronger.

We do need education, but education does not equal thought control. Real education teaches people to think clearly and visualize future results of actions.

That's the kind of education I've had. Sorry you missed that part.

[obamanut2012]

42. lolz

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. You are correct

The FBI continues apace

[MineralMan]

44. And exactly like me, you have no earthly idea what the FBI

will do.

[nadinbrzezinski]

49. Given the OIG report seems to point to the backbone

Of a case, I recommend you pay close attention to whom the veep is. And the FBI investigation continues apace. That you cannot stop. I am sure you wish you could.

Unlike you, I put my country far ahead of any party. My ethics are not situational to letters behind names. If this was Paul Ryan (R) you people would be demanding his head. And that is the truth.

By the way, fully anecdotal. Two of my neighbors were hard core HRC supporters. They also happen to have pesky clearances. Guess what? June 7 they are staying home. If she is on the ballot in Nov...again they are staying home. They say that this is the view with a few of their friends and they have talked more than a few people to not vote for her on national security grounds.

My goodness they had no clue, but they read the editorials and they do understand the issues.

Fully anecdotal as well. Local party leaders are getting a tad panicked. This is a military town, so they got those issues explained. So now we are starting to see this small scandal penetrate the fog. I expect DU to be the last place where this is aknowledged. You should be familiar with this, not unlike Free Republic. It will be treated by me the same way...a place to point and laugh at the very much willful ignorance.

[Demsrule86]

58. The IG report

was an indictment of State's archaic email system more than anything...and the FBI is bullshite...so keep waiting...

[nadinbrzezinski]

60. If you say so

experts who know this better than you, hardly agree. I am sorry if I will take their words over a mere partisan on the internet.

[BobbyDrake]

48. The Revolution Messaging funds will dry up shortly.

And I strongly doubt many of their employees will keep doing this for free.

[Stuckinthebush]

52. I think they are effectively gone now

Perhaps a few $27 donations here and there. But, the account is depleted and the game is long over.

[Xyzse]

53. I've already come to acceptance.

- A Democratic win on November will be a miracle in my view.
- Either a Clinton or Trump presidency would be a disaster for the country in different ways. Clinton comes ahead by a bit, but far less than I am comfortable with. There are quite a few reasons for that.
- Not much would change at this point, so I've resolved to help outside my area for local races.

At some point or another however, as Hillary is the presumptive nominee, I would like to know what is the threshold for reporting and bashing?

Bad behavior by any politician is worth mentioning, even though uncomfortable.

The problem I have with some of the mentioned bad behavior done by Bernie, is that it generally misses the point and they are mad at him for something he did not do or say, merely attributing positions on him that is not his. This is the case with the gun issue, the super delegate issues and so forth. Once put in context, the argument tends to loses validity.

That happens quite a bit with Clinton as well. When put in to context her Iraq War Vote can be easily understood and forgiven, however in a broader view, the way she is hawkish puts to light that she did not learn her lesson, and that militaristic attitude towards tackling foreign affairs is just... well, pointless.

I do not blame Clinton for the voting irregularities. However, the glee people have here in dismissing such matters is sickening. What Lange, has done in changing the rules being the sole executor of that, and the bald-faced lies done by the DNC, and surrogates in regards to reports of violence, is unfortunate and merely hardens opposition towards Hillary. Not to mention all the videos that came out of that. Lange changing the rules, bringing out the police, Barbara Boxer blowing sarcastic kisses and flipping people off, with nary a video of an actual thrown chair. The one video where there was one almost thrown, was put down, hugged out, and looks to be in the Clinton area.

Finally, even though I have not waded in to the email issues of Clinton, it looks like there is now more information coming in. Even if I am not going to press her on this, others will, and I can only see it hurting her even more towards the General Election.

If by some miracle, she does win the Presidency, it will be mired by this controversy by those who will not let it go, affecting job performance via Republicans spamming this issue like there is no tomorrow, and probably passing laws that mostly give Republicans what they want.

So... Corporations win.

[lunamagica]

54. ITA. I find those post really amusing. The frenzy to post negative stuff about her over, and over

again, like it will make a difference. Even if the whole site switched to Sanders, it'd wouldn't make a dent on the primary.

[Dem2]

55. It certainly is a frenzy

Thank God for voice to text on my phone.

[AgingAmerican]

59. Translstion: Hillary supporters are in a frenzy over criticism