2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTwo Problems with the Hillary/FBI RICO Story
Thanks to the wonders of the Internet, nothing truly goes away.
#1: The author, Frank Huguanard, is NOT a credentialed journalist. He also provides no source for the biggest part of his story, specifically detailing out what the FBI is actually going to do.
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James Comey and The FBI will present a recommendation to Loretta Lynch, Attorney General of the Department of Justice, that includes a cogent argument that the Clinton Foundation is an ongoing criminal enterprise engaged in money laundering and soliciting bribes in exchange for political, policy and legislative favors to individuals, corporations and even governments both foreign and domestic.
The New York Times examined Bill Clintons relationship with a Canadian mining financier, Frank Giustra, who has donated millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation and sits on its board. Clinton, the story suggests, helped Giustras company secure a lucrative uranium-mining deal in Kazakhstan and in return received a flow of cash to the Clinton Foundation, including previously undisclosed donations from the companys chairman totaling $2.35 million. -- Bloomberg Politics
Initially, Comey had indicated that the investigation into Hillarys home brewed email server was to be concluded by October of 2015. However, as more and more evidence in the case has come to light, this initial date kept being pushed back as the criminal investigation has expanded well beyond violating State Department regulations to include questions about espionage, perjury and influence peddling.
Heres what we do know. Tens of millions of dollars donated to the Clinton Foundation was funneled to the organization through a Canadian shell company which has made tracing the donors nearly impossible. Less than 10% of donations to the Foundation has actually been released to charitable organizations and $2M that has been traced back to long time Bill Clinton friend Julie McMahon (aka The Energizer). When the official investigation into Hillarys email server began, she instructed her IT professional to delete over 30,000 emails and cloud backups of her emails older than 30 days at both Platte River Networks and Datto, Inc. The FBI has subsequently recovered the majority, if not all, of Hillarys deleted emails and are putting together a strong case against her for attempting to cover up her illegal and illicit activities.
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Although many links are provided to "back up" his assertions (see below), "psychic intuition" is simply not a credible source for the portrayal of "insider knowledge" of what the Director of the FBI is going to do. At the end of the day, this is an opinion piece about what the author thinks will happen.
I did a little "Google" on the man, and he honestly seems nice enough. Like most of the people here on DU, he seems very interested in politics. He also apparently has a green thumb with heirloom tomatoes -- these plants are HUGE!
Https://vimeo.com/18401818
But he really isn't a credible source about the FBI or the DOJ activity beyond what is already being reported on the Internet.
#2: I had to look around to verify this guy wasn't credible, because I would not be surprised if the FBI does go for a RICO charge.
And that goes right to the heart of the problem with viewing Hillary Clinton as trustworthy. Between the never ending lies and deliberate attempts to confuse people (email accounts are not the same thing as private servers), and the fact the Clintons went from (per Hillary) "dead broke" to "mega rich" faster than his pension and her salary could reasonably account for, plus her laughably non-credible "inspirational speaking" career, she is not seen by a large percentage of voters as a person of integrity. I am hoping the FBI gives a nice press conference proclaiming her innocence of any form of wrong doing, but my own life experience does not find that scenario plausible.
And no, it's not "decades of right wing attacks" -- it is constant BAD JUDGMENT and cringeworthy STUPID lying. Why make a production of handing over 50,000 pages of printed emails unless you are trying to either be an ass or cover something up? Just put it on a stick, and let the recipient kill the trees, and maybe send an apology note for not having left the "work emails at work", too.
But she didn't, and now the entire Party is in an uproar because the best fundraisers we have are scandal magnets, and a large portion of the population would not be surprised at a criminal indictment.
The bar for acceptable behavior has officially been lowered.
And one of the worst things is how this election cycle is tainting the reputation of the rest of the party. I literally paused on his last two sentences --
"Perhaps the most interesting question here is whether or not the FBIs investigation will be able to directly link The Clinton Foundation with The Hillary Victory Fund. If this happens, the DNC itself may be in jeopardy of accusations of either being an accomplice or of being complicit in racketeering."
Yes, that would be a reasonable plot twist. And that scares me!
Maybe politics has always been like this - back room deals with slush funds for one candidate, and questionable tactics employed to keep the voters in a frenzy of hope for promises that can't be kept. I don't want to be cynical, but this guy's theories don't sound as far fetched as they used to, once upon a time, before the Internet....
But I am going to continue to await the FBI report. Hillary's word is just not good enough
Links from Article NOTE: All mainstream.
Clinton Foundation Failed to Disclose 1,100 Foreign Donations, Bloomberg Politics, May 13, 2016: https://archive.is/rknnm
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal, The New York Times, March 18, 2016: https://archive.is/crhPw
State Dept. watchdog: Clinton violated email rules, Politico, May 27, 2016: https://archive.is/nXWhW
Employee at Clinton's email hosting company feared cover-up, Politico, April 3, 2016: https://archive.is/Ahdqi
Unbeknownst to Clinton, IT firm had emails stored on cloud; now in FBIs hands, McClatchy DC October 6, 2015 http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article37968711.html#storylink=cpy
18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material, Cornell University Law School, September 1, 2015: https://archive.is/pp4Mj
18 U.S. Code § 798 - Disclosure of classified information, Cornell University Law School, July 13, 2015: https://archive.is/S6c5J
Office of the Secretary: Evaluation of Email Records Management and Cybersecurity Requirements, Office of Inspector General, May 2016: http://static.politico.com/f3/9b/19d29ab14abeb4a30ca2975f1e6c/oig-report.pdf
What we know about the FBIs investigation into Hillary Clintons emails, Politifact, May 12, 2016: https://archive.is/WYja6
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(14,668 posts)YouDig
(2,280 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)The idea that refusing to wait on glacially slow government IT and getting stuff done instead should be a RICO offense is ridiculous.
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)Over DU trashing every post with what your perceptions are. It really is getting to being annoying in a rather extreme way.
And you are right about RICO and email and server, but take it to the next level sweetie. "Pay to Play", Clinton Foundation, SOS.
Blue Meany
(1,947 posts)of bribes and/or shaking down foreign governments for donations in exchange for approving sales of weapons. I think this is unlikely to be true--the Clintons are just not that desperate for money--and nearly impossible to prove, if it were true. What might be true is that Bill Clinton timed some of his donation requests around arms purchases, which is arguably unethical but probably is not a crime. In any case, it takes a long time to build a RICO case and I don't think that would be completed within the time frame of the election.
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)much larger issue. Pay to play and the "Clinton Foundation".
Didn't Carlin say it best? Paraphrasing, it is a club and we are not in it.
IdaB, you have put a lot of time into this research.
Thank you.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Time looking for him, but honestly, I already had learned about this stuff from DU, except in bits and pieces.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)I've seen stories like these, and the undisclosed donations coupled with the Canadian foundation linked to the guy who got the uranium deal paint a startlingly bad picture.
The e-mail problem, although serious, is just the beginning.
The FBI may have enough, or be on the trail of enough, to put together a case for criminal RICO. That criminal RICO case would pull in many people in addition to Hillary. Bill would be caught, as would Chelsea, probably, in addition to many others.
I hope that someone at the DNC is bracing for this, and has a plan B for criminal referral from the FBI to the DOJ from now until the inauguration.
WhiteTara
(29,704 posts)but you are quoting from his article anyway?
"Perhaps the most interesting question here is whether or not the FBIs investigation will be able to directly link The Clinton Foundation with The Hillary Victory Fund. If this happens, the DNC itself may be in jeopardy of accusations of either being an accomplice or of being complicit in racketeering."
Did I misunderstand? Or what?
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)"reporting" and thus not credible BUT (and this was my second point) I actually wouldn't be surprised if it happened. I was also taken aback by his last two sentences -- and seriously, that whole Hillary Victory Fund deal just seems Not Legit -- gave me a "hmmm" moment.
WhiteTara
(29,704 posts)Bernie didn't get busted for the bank deal with Jane. There is an ethics violation regarding his influence peddling for a loan that brought down an entire institution while she got the sweetheart deal of a couple hundred thousand dollars for her efforts right before she was fired.
Speculation only of course. See how easy that is?
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)The difference between smear (what you did) versus speculation is credible sources which is why this "RICO" story isn't credible. But as I said, her "trustworthy" numbers are so low, it seems plausible.
The FBI is the final arbiter. Her word is not enough.
WhiteTara
(29,704 posts)as well as DOJ.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)riversedge
(70,195 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)riversedge
(70,195 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)bahahahahahahaha!!!
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)This is fizzling faster than Benghazi did on Trey Gowdy.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)K/r
2banon
(7,321 posts)I'm of the same mind. Personally, I don't expect an indictment, not ever.
But I'm no psychic, I'm just looking at stuff like Fitzmas and countless other instances of corruption and nefarious machinations throughout our entire history which went unnoticed by the press or the justice dept, and yet there it is in countless history books.
(DNA origins of Tammany Hall began before we were officially, USA)
My sense there is a very dangerous shell game in play, only to be revealed at some point after the primaries.
In the meantime, I won't be reading anything stating: "FBI WILL be bringing charges or indictments any day now, or sometime soon"
Only if, FBI HAS handed over an indictment. Grand Jury Subpoena or other procedures, will I read, if from credible source.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)Good job!
randome
(34,845 posts)No matter how much money Clinton asks to be donated to it, it is the CF Board that decides how to disburse it. And the 'just $9 million figure is disingenuous, to say the least.
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/where-does-clinton-foundation-money-go/
Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina says that so little of the charitable donations to the Clinton Foundation actually go to charitable works a figure CARLY for America later put at about 6 percent of its annual revenues but Fiorina is simply wrong.
Fiorina and others are referring only to the amount donated by the Clinton Foundation to outside charities, ignoring the fact that most of the Clinton Foundations charitable work is performed in-house. One independent philanthropy watchdog did an analysis of Clinton Foundation funding and concluded that about 89 percent of its funding went to charity.
Simply put, despite its name, the Clinton Foundation is not a private foundation which typically acts as a pass-through for private donations to other charitable organizations. Rather, it is a public charity. It conducts most of its charitable activities directly.
So you and Crazy Frank and Carly Fiorina are all wrong. Because you don't care about anything but trashing a Democrat.
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beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)wealthy in 20 years or so. Taxes alone, not assuming it was laundered through the CF, would be huge. To Net that kind of money ????? Four huge mansions, HRC is reported to have never driven since the 90s???
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)she gave?
Some people think corruption is involved, but that is a cynical thought process, right?
realmirage
(2,117 posts)And Hillary has both on her side