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pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:18 PM Jun 2016

How to Explain the Sanders Campaign to an Idiot, Paul Krugman or a Clintonite in 8 Sentences


Sentence #1: If a Democratic primary candidate can win 59 percent of the Party’s “pledged” (primary- and caucus-won) delegates or more, the primary is decided by pledged delegates; if a Democratic primary candidate fails to meet that threshold, they are considered by DNC electoral processes to be a weak front-runner and the nomination is finally decided, instead, by “superdelegates” — who can express support for a candidate at any time, but cannot commit themselves to anyone (i.e., cast a binding vote for any candidate) until the Democratic National Convention in July; superdelegates are unlike pledged delegates in this regard because, while pledged delegates also do not vote until the Party’s convention, they cannot change their votes from what their state’s voting results pledged them to be — though it has been argued by some that in fact they can change their votes at the Convention, with this argument most recently having been advanced by Hillary Rodham Clinton in 2008.

Sentence #2: Superdelegates were created in 1984 to enable elected Democratic Party officials and some others of high standing within the Party (including, remarkably, some lobbyists) to overturn the will of the voters if the Party deems it necessary for a November general election win; in both this election cycle and every other, superdelegates interviewed by the media have stated, en masse, that they are in no way bound to vote for the pledged delegate or popular-vote winner, but instead cast their July ballots on the basis of — depending upon which superdelegate you talk to — “the good of the Party” or “who can win in November” (the two usually being seen as synonymous).

Sentence #3: Hillary Clinton currently leads Bernie Sanders in pledged delegates, superdelegates, and the popular vote, and would continue to lead Sanders even were the pledged or superdelegate allotment rules to be changes in any one of a number of ways, but has nevertheless failed to receive 59 percent of the pledged delegates — despite having every possible advantage on her opponent American politics is able to bestow, both financially, in terms of Party support, and in terms of the logistics of individual state electoral processes — a fact for which she has only her own poor campaigning skills and inability to generate a 59-percent-plus level of enthusiasm from Democrats to blame; what this means is that her only hope for clinching the Democratic nomination, short of a Sanders concession that the Senator has assured the nation is not forthcoming, is to convince a large number of superdelegates to not just voice support but actually vote for her when they cast their ballots at the Democratic convention in July.

Sentence #4: Superdelegates, who have only been around for six contested Democratic primaries, have, depending upon the primary, not previously voted against the pledged-delegate or popular-vote leader for one of two reasons: either the candidate leading in pledged delegates and the popular vote has been a “strong front-runner” with more than 59 percent of the pledged delegates, making superdelegate votes immaterial, or else the candidate behind in pledged delegates and the popular vote has conceded prior to the Democratic National Convention, rendering superdelegate votes essentially meaningless; in the 2016 Democratic primary, it is presumed by the media and many political observers that superdelegates will not switch their endorsements from Hillary Clinton, not because she leads in pledged delegates and the popular vote, and not because the current hard data suggests she’s the strongest Democratic candidate for the fall, but rather because she and her husband built the modern neoliberal Democratic Party and therefore own more cultural capital within that context than any other husband and spouse, she and her husband have raised a lot of money for the Party, and she and her husband are believed to be such strong fundraisers that it is felt they will be able to spend their way to a low-turnout general-election victory against Donald Trump.

Sentence #5: Bernie Sanders, who in fact has never called Democratic primaries and caucuses “rigged” — only an Establishment-favoring superdelegate system that allowed Mrs. Clinton to amass a 400-superdelegate lead on all challengers before the Democratic field had even been set — is staying in the race because all the extant hard data suggests he is a stronger general election candidate than Mrs. Clinton, because he passionately believes the Democrats must defeat Donald Trump in the fall, and because Mrs. Clinton’s stunning failure to secure 59 percent of pledged delegates didn’t merely invite but indeed encouraged him to take his case to superdelegates in July; claims by Clinton and her supporters that no general election polling showing Mr. Sanders beating Mr. Trump nationally and in battleground states by significantly more than Mrs. Clinton can be trusted because only Mrs. Clinton, and not Mr. Sanders, has been vetted by the American media and the American political system are wrong on four separate grounds:

Americans have long been aware of what is allegedly the most damning allegation against Sanders, that he is a socialist, and all current polling reflects this knowledge;
Mrs. Clinton has slandered Mr. Sanders repeatedly in the current primary, including falsely alleging that he opposes Planned Parenthood (he has a 100 percent rating from them), falsely alleging he opposes gun control (he has a “D-“ rating from the National Rifle Association), and falsely alleging he voted against the auto bailout (a claim rated 50 percent false by Politifact);
opposition research conducted on Sanders during his many, many prior runs for federal office has been dumped into the media en masse this election cycle, including false allegations that he “honeymooned” in Russia (he took a sanctioned goodwill trip to Burlington, Vermont’s “sister-city” as Mayor of Burlington), false allegations that he wrote “rape fantasy fiction” in 1972 (he wrote a feminist essay that used retrograde views on sexual relations as a rhetorical counterweight), and false allegations that he has supported repressive Communist regimes abroad (he has noted that certain things can be learned from healthcare and education systems in other countries, a small minority of which were non-democratic); and
historical analyses of Clinton’s favorability ratings, which are currently as bad as Donald Trump’s, show that these have dropped not because of several GOP-manufactured scandals but because of (a) political campaigns Clinton was then running, as tellingly her approval ratings crater every time she’s in the public eye daily as part of a political campaign, and (b) public scandals explicitly the result of Clinton’s own poor judgment, distaste for transparency, and unwillingness to take responsibility for her actions, three core personality traits which (i) will continue to plague her throughout any general election campaign, and (ii) remain in particularly high relief during the current FBI investigation into a non-permitted clandestine basement server she used to escape FOIA requests from American citizens for two years.

Sentence #6: The Democratic Party has never, in modern history, run a candidate with an unfavorable rating as high as Mrs. Clinton’s; it has never, in modern history, run a candidate who was currently under FBI investigation; it has never, in modern history, run a candidate who will (per polling reported by Nate Cohn) not receive the support of fully 50 percent of her opponent’s supporters, under circumstances in which her opponent has commanded nearly 45 percent of the popular vote; it has never successfully run a candidate for President who previously lost a Party primary, which loss suggested now-evident infirmities in that candidate’s appeal even to Democratic voters; it has never run a candidate who secured only 50 percent of the pledged delegates in the final two-thirds of Party nominating contests; it has never run a candidate whose only consequential primary challenger came from outside the Party, due to her cynical strategy of intimidating other qualified Democrats away from running using a massive pre-election superdelegate lead; it has never, in what is at once predicted to be a “movement” and “base” election, successfully run a candidate for President who neither has broad support from the Party’s progressive wing nor is at the head of any identifiable political movement; and it has never nominated for President a candidate losing in national polls, at the time of her media-driven elevation to the status of “presumptive nominee,” to a clinical sociopath; for these and other reasons, Sanders plans to continue his campaign in the hope of saving Democratic elders from their slavish devotion to a political dynasty that’s turned the Party from its New Deal roots toward a neoliberal corporatism now destroying the middle class.

Sentence #7
: While not rigged, there is no question that the Democratic Party’s primary process — which uses superdelegates to create an appearance of pre-election electoral inevitability and closed primaries and onerous registration requirements to exclude many new, independent, and party-switching voters — has dramatically favored Mrs. Clinton, just as the mainstream media, while not engaged in a massive conspiracy, has without question done all it can to aid Mrs. Clinton and hinder Mr. Sanders (as to airtime, coverage, reporting of superdelegate tallies contrary to explicit DNC instructions, and much more); and now, having failed to stop Sanders via either a lack of media coverage or the superdelegate process, a host of arguments against the Senator are now being marshaled by Party and media forces, not a single one of which is novel, and all of which are familiar strategies for decimating grassroots movements before they have an opportunity to threaten entrenched power:

alleging, alternately, that the movement’s leader is vain, self-interested, foolish, disloyal, senile/demented, short-sighted, or dangerous;
alleging that participants in the movement are violent, spiteful, unrealistic, self-defeating, ignorant, destructive/anarchistic, or in some way grievously biased;
alleging that hard data supporting the causes of the movement have in some way been misconstrued, miscast, over-emphasized, or wrongly elevated to the level of polite, reasonable national discourse; and
alleging, with little proof, that absolutely nothing about the current movement is novel, and that it is instead merely a rehashing of other failed movements from the past, doomed to fade from public view and relevance in short order.

Sentence #8:
In view of all the foregoing, allegations, like those by Paul Krugman and other supporters of Mrs. Clinton, that Sanders supporters continue their fight because of a foolhardy resistance to facts or indifference to consequences are not just misplaced but predictably disingenuous and strategic; what these allegations cannot overturn, however, is a simple fact few on any side neglect to acknowledge: given Mrs. Clinton’s certainty (and her supporters’ certainty, and Democratic Party leaders’ certainty, and media elites’ certainty) that she will ultimately prevail; given that the general election is many, many, months away; given that the responsibility for uniting a political party always and forever lies with its elected and nominated leaders, not with its dissidents; given that the length of time between today and the Democratic National Convention means that there’s nearly two months for unforeseen events to make it useful for the Democratic Party to have an active backup choice after Clinton (an FBI indictment of Clinton or an associate being, in fact, only one of these); there is no harm whatsoever in Mr. Sanders following DNC procedure and staying in the Democratic primary race until July 25th, fighting for superdelegate votes — on the basis of his consistent-with-process electability arguments — all the while, and for Clinton supporters and their numberless allies in the media to, as to that subject, spend the next two months doing little other than, with respect, shutting the hell up and letting the process play out like we do here in America.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/how-to-explain-the-sanders_b_10206250.html

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How to Explain the Sanders Campaign to an Idiot, Paul Krugman or a Clintonite in 8 Sentences (Original Post) pdsimdars Jun 2016 OP
More accurate: CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #1
Exactly tonyt53 Jun 2016 #3
Even more accurate: Fawke Em Jun 2016 #21
I love it when real questions and issues are infantilized Armstead Jun 2016 #36
A piece by Seth Abramson is not "real questions". The guy is a hack, almost as bad as HA Goodman. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #37
More people want Hillary to be President than want Bernie very simple upaloopa Jun 2016 #2
False. basselope Jun 2016 #8
Fine, let's rephrase it. More people have VOTED for Hillary to be President than Bernie. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #15
Maybe. basselope Jun 2016 #18
of those that were allowed the privilege of voting azurnoir Jun 2016 #20
Which is to say, everyone. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #26
More false informatrion Android3.14 Jun 2016 #28
I suggest editing your post to reflect the 1st 4, then others can click on the link to see the rest. grossproffit Jun 2016 #4
Use crayons too. Katashi_itto Jun 2016 #5
Or, more concisely: #berniemath YouDig Jun 2016 #6
Can it really be that simple? rock Jun 2016 #7
Sentences? lol. Those make Trump's blithering, run-on nonsense look halfway concise. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #9
Please do not quote more than four paragraphs! DU could be sued, thanks. bettyellen Jun 2016 #10
+1 grossproffit Jun 2016 #12
"Hillary Clinton’s Support Among Nonwhite Voters Has Collapsed." from same 'author.' grossproffit Jun 2016 #11
Astounding. Please notice that the Clintonites have no substantial arguments, only Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #13
I don't notice any such thing. It says right now that there are 15 replies and I only see 2. pdsimdars Jun 2016 #16
Do you see this? Darb Jun 2016 #19
Welcome to JUNE MFM008 Jun 2016 #14
More like: Fawke Em Jun 2016 #22
Or maybe, on June 16th edgineered Jun 2016 #27
Anyone who lumps Paul Krugman in with 'idiots' cannot be taken seriously on any topic. n/t pampango Jun 2016 #17
Paul has been acting looney lately. pdsimdars Jun 2016 #23
You or I may disagree with Krgman at times but he is never "looney". n/t pampango Jun 2016 #24
Go explain it to the guy who wrote the article. From some of his nonsensicle statements as of late pdsimdars Jun 2016 #25
Krugman is human and makes mistakes like anyone else Hydra Jun 2016 #33
He is human. He should not be lumped in with 'idiots'. n/t pampango Jun 2016 #35
It's straightforward strategy Android3.14 Jun 2016 #29
K&R Spot On! B Calm Jun 2016 #30
For A Greenback Restoration Counselor1 Jun 2016 #31
Is your post an original piece by you GP6971 Jun 2016 #32
pdsimdars—Paul Krugman is not worthy of respect. CobaltBlue Jun 2016 #34
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
36. I love it when real questions and issues are infantilized
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:07 AM
Jun 2016

A very astute defense of the status quo you support

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
26. Which is to say, everyone.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:36 PM
Jun 2016

"Democrat" and "Independent" are not died into your soul. If you support the Democratic party and wish to join it, you are always free to do so.

What people are not free to do, and there is no reason they should be free to do, is vote in the Democratic primary without also joining the party. But since anyone can do that, that's all fine.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
28. More false informatrion
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:02 PM
Jun 2016

Polls show quite clearly that Sanders performs better than Clinton against Trump in the general election.

Will you continue to lie after June's gag order goes into effect?

grossproffit

(5,591 posts)
4. I suggest editing your post to reflect the 1st 4, then others can click on the link to see the rest.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:30 PM
Jun 2016

I believe there's a 4 paragraph rule in place.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
13. Astounding. Please notice that the Clintonites have no substantial arguments, only
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:54 PM
Jun 2016

the usual infantile belittling.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
16. I don't notice any such thing. It says right now that there are 15 replies and I only see 2.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:20 PM
Jun 2016

My filtering is really working well.

MFM008

(19,803 posts)
14. Welcome to JUNE
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:54 PM
Jun 2016

June 7 ............Sanders is out of States
June 14 ............HRC wins D.C.

June 16............... DU returns to normal.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
23. Paul has been acting looney lately.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:09 PM
Jun 2016

Beauty is as beauty does. Someone can be smart and still do some stupid things. Just look at this Hillary email scandal. No one thinks she's dumb, but . . . . .

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
25. Go explain it to the guy who wrote the article. From some of his nonsensicle statements as of late
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:28 PM
Jun 2016

I do see some "looney" in them.
Go ask the author what he was referring to. I just posted his article which I thought was great. I heard Thom Hartmann do a talk on it after his show. He really liked it and so did I.
If you want to knit pick on one word usage, and that is all you got out of the article, you are not demonstrating much balance or thought, in my opinion.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
33. Krugman is human and makes mistakes like anyone else
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:47 PM
Jun 2016

He's been making a lot of them lately because he sees something he wants. That's never a good thing when trying to keep an objective position.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
29. It's straightforward strategy
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:06 PM
Jun 2016

The Clinton folks may dislike the strategy, but at this time the Sanders campaign really is the only hope the Democrats have of winning in November.

Counselor1

(5 posts)
31. For A Greenback Restoration
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:20 PM
Jun 2016

Progressives can't rest all our hopes on Bernie as a person getting the nomination. We need him and his supporters to push the DNC platform committee to clearly indicate in the platform that there needs to be an explicit change of foreign policy from regime change and "destroying ISIS" to strategic containment of non state terrorist organizations. Dem Congress peeps also need to be instructed to stop authorizing funding for "regime change."

There is a progressive issue he could adopt that Clinton, I'm pretty sure, would not. I call it "Greenback Restoration." Since the Crash America is in protracted civilian austerity, repeatedly relapsing toward recession. Roughly 120 million middle income Americans (and 45 million poor) suffered severe losses in pay and home value. Republicans and Democrats passed phony “Recovery” acts that failed utterly to restore us. We 165 million Americans are still insecure, angrily waiting for our restoration!

A Presidential leader can order the Treasury to create greenbacks, electronically only, like the $ trillions created by the Federal Reserve and “quantitatively eased” (QE) into the gambling banks. Those $ trillions never got to consumers for them to inflate consumer prices. Never once, during QE, has the CP index risen to a troublesome level. Let Fox TV and the Republican “Freedom Caucus” of Congress, constipated by Kochs’ Institutes and PACs for National Debt Terrorism, whine about usurpation! Let them sue all the way to the Supreme Court that Republicans gridlocked by refusing to consider a Scalia replacement!

“Ooooh! You can’t just give people free stuff or money!” I’m not arguing that. Make us work for it. Paid work is ennobling at living wages. Blamelessly, many Americans can no longer be privately, profitably, productive! So find government - payable work, at living wages, for infrastructure maintenance, Universal Day Care, Health and Respite care assistants, etc. maybe second jobs for a family. Greenbacks can be paid out slowly for such jobs, with even a legitimate debt pay-off set-aside. They can also be merely deposited (without investment in government bonds) just to top off allegedly "insolvent" entitlement funds like Social Security, and Medicare. Current National Debt accounting rules are maintained by the Executive branch (Treasury Department.) They’re not Holy Writ!

Let American governments hire a few million people at decent wages and tax those wages! Hires will buy some stuff, pay their legitimate debts and taxes; the taxes will “trickle around,” up through local governments and down into services. Property values will rise slowly, and many will have a future again!

 

CobaltBlue

(1,122 posts)
34. pdsimdars—Paul Krugman is not worthy of respect.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:44 AM
Jun 2016

I reject him. And I hope more people catch on and do that as well.

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