2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSen. Boxer to Sanders: 'You can't just diss everybody' backing Clinton
By Nick Gass
6/1/16
Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) sharply criticized Bernie Sanders on Wednesday for lumping her and Jerry Brown into the "establishment" wing of the Democratic Party after the California governor announced the previous day that he, along with Boxer and other high-ranking California lawmakers, would be supporting Hillary Clinton.
"For Bernie to say that Jerry Brown is establishment is kind of the biggest joke of the day," said Boxer, a top Clinton ally in the Senate. She made her remarks in an interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" while promoting her latest book, "The Art of Tough."
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"Just because you are supporting Hillary doesn't mean you are, quote, the establishment. It means you are progressive and you want to see her [as president]," Boxer said. "She is so qualified for this post. She is just what we need. I love Bernie, hes my friend for a long time. But you can't just diss everybody who supports Hillary Clinton."
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/barbara-boxer-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-223772
That seems to be his catchall word for those who didn't endorse him, such as Planned Parenthood and NARAL.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Beacool
(30,244 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)Seems like everyone who bumps up against the Clintons comes away SLIMED.
Beacool
(30,244 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)for a contested convention to paint Bernie delegates as disruptors.
RazBerryBeret
(3,075 posts)so if someone "disrespects" you it is justification for flipping them off? even if you're an elected official? ok. that explains a lot.
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)booe'd Sanders suppporters, I put NOTHING past the liar.
When The Likes Of Carly Fiorina and Wolf Blitzer Call You Out For Your Obvious LIES...(2010) UGH.
She's a liar. Deal
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)Video shows she wagged her index finger.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)And you missed her condescending little tirade too I suppose?
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)Not sure what's so hard about seeing that.
trudyco
(1,258 posts)but the smug look of disdain on her face was crystal clear, along with the smarmy blowing of kisses.
She was not scared. She was defiant. Rude. Uncaring. Taunting an upset crowd of fellow DEMOCRATS who were supporting her friend Bernie and were upset by the sleazy way the convention circumvented rules. Absolutely unacceptable.
Not the Barbara Boxer I supported so long ago. Obviously she's been in politics too long.
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)She also shouldn't have to put up with a crowd of misogynists at a Democratic convention.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Be progressive. And shouted off the stage. That's the truth of it.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)kiva
(4,373 posts)The neon lights flickered as frost settled on the casino walls..
dragonfly301
(399 posts)Dem2
(8,166 posts)scscholar
(2,902 posts)We don't know what happened after that. How can you say you know for sure she wasn't scared of people raising chairs and threatening to hit her with them and with people yelling death threats? We all heard the Bernie people yelling. They yelled at her. They held weapons above their heads. They did. Don't deny what we all saw.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)you say? Please provide evidence to back this bullshit up... I'll be waiting.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)We all heard the Bernie people screaming death threats. We heard them. We know it happened. I would have been terrified in the same position with a large crowd with weapons yelling death threats. Bernie needs to calm his people down instead of riling them up more until they explode.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)assertions so you double down on the lies? Again, links or pix, please...
arikara
(5,562 posts)There is video of one guy who picked up a chair, somebody calmly took it away from him and somebody else went up and hugged him to calm him down. Frickin' HUGGED him. There was NO violence or threat. But every moron MSM went into full lie mode talking about all the violence and chair throwing anyhow, then they quietly retracted but they have all their believers like you converted the way they want and still spreading it on thick.
Boxer spread it on thick too and said she was scared for her life or some baloney when video shows her sashaying out blowing sarcastic kisses to Bernie people. And at the end it shows what looks like her flipping the bird although some say she's just shaking her finger. Whatever it was it was not the actions of someone who was frightened, what she was doing was deliberately inflaming the situation.
dflprincess
(28,057 posts)because we saw the video of the people around him getting him to put the chair down and then they had a group hug.
And strange that with all these chairs flying through the air that this is the only video that has surfaced showing someone even picking one up.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Beacool
(30,244 posts)It's a convoy of buses by now. I predict that the next person will be Obama, as soon as the last vote has been cast and he's free to endorse.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Ted Canova, and others under there
Beacool
(30,244 posts)Stop making things up. On the other hand, Sanders has gone out of his way to tell us how disappointed he has been that X person or group endorsed the "establishment candidate".
Funny, that coming from a man who's been on the public pay for decades.
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)Most Berners have hated him the second he did something that didn't pass their ideological purity muster. Obama was among the first under the bus.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)liberal from boston
(856 posts)The Untold TRUTH About The Nevada Convention Chaos
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)coyote
(1,561 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)He's telling the fucking truth.
What ear wax walked into her empty head this time?
Not only is Jerry Brown "establishment", he loves fracking. Reality gets harder for these insiders more and more each day!
jillan
(39,451 posts)If Jerry Brown Is So Green, Why Is He Allowing Fracking in California?
The California governor wants to be known as a climate leader. But he has said yes to frackingfor now.
http://www.thenation.com/article/if-jerry-brown-so-green-why-he-allowing-fracking-california/
I have NO respect for anyone that supports fracking.
Beacool
(30,244 posts)So much hypocrisy..........
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)... Hypocrisy relates to those who have been sworn to uphold the Constitution of the United States but instead return that call to serve only to the corporate stake-holders, while the people beg for better demonstrations of leadership.
sheshe2
(83,324 posts)Beacool
(30,244 posts)I find it ironic that a man who has spent 26 years in Washington calls everybody else the "establishment". Then what the heck is he????
Oh the irony.
Triana
(22,666 posts)Alrighty then.
Bluestar
(1,400 posts)Stop dissing my California lawmakers.
Triana
(22,666 posts)Regardless what their names are.
Shameful. Spineless.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)dchill
(38,320 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Looks like you could use one of these
jillan
(39,451 posts)You worked hard all these years, now it's obviously time for you to rest. Go play with your grandkids.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Response to Beacool (Original post)
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Beacool
(30,244 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)yodermon
(6,143 posts)That's the point of being the establishment. She should take it as a compliment. Geez.
Beacool
(30,244 posts)He's spent 26 yeas in Congress and some years as mayor of Burlington. He too is part of the establishment he so readily speaks against when it suits him.
yodermon
(6,143 posts)The *party* establishment. He joined with the Dems so as not to be a spoiler.
"Congress" and "Burlington" are where the bar is set for being "establishment" for you?
wow
right he should have started his own Congress and created his own city. got it.
He was a Representative and then became a Senator. Independent or not, he IS part of the establishment.
yodermon
(6,143 posts)That's the whole poi .. oh never mind.
Beacool
(30,244 posts)that he spent decades criticizing and running against, only to join it for self serving reasons when he chose to run for president.
yodermon
(6,143 posts)Everyone was applauding him for running as a Democrat when he announced.
If you had preferred he run as an independent and split the vote, just say so.
Beacool
(30,244 posts)I thought he that he had no business running as a Democrat when he only joined to gain media attention, not out a true belief in the party.
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)Broward
(1,976 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,303 posts)Trump does the same thing. Binary thinking. Thin-skinned. Rigged! It's the media!
At the end of this, they will both be guys who lost to PHRC.
Beacool
(30,244 posts)Dogmatic, my way or the highway, and both trying to hijack the two major political parties. Unfortunately for the GOP, Trump succeeded. Fortunately for the Democrats, Sanders did not.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)calls them "the establishment" just about daily on his show. Did she also "scold" the Tweetmeister for his using the term? Oh, I get it...he can because he's establishment too. Gotcha.
If you own it, wear it. I really don't get what has their panties in such a bunch whenever regular folks use the term too.
Beacool
(30,244 posts)He must have forgotten that for decades his salary has been paid by the taxpayers. He too is part of the establishment.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Had he been "establishment", the DNC wouldn't have felt it necessary to work so hard to derail his campaign at every opportunity.
Bernie is the antithesis of "the establishment", but I suspect that you already know that and are just about defusing the term by conflating it with meaning nothing more than having served in public office for some period of time; which we all know is BS.
Beacool
(30,244 posts)You can't spend decades in elected office and then pretend that you're not part of the establishment. If he means that he bucks the status quo, I may agree with him somewhat.
surrealAmerican
(11,339 posts)... with the party establishment? If Sen. Boxer considers "establishment" an insult, it might be interesting to know why.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Triana
(22,666 posts)Bill USA
(6,436 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)have to be taken with extreme skepticism and a lot
of distrust.
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PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Is incorrect.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...then it would be ridiculous to call him "establishment."
But the Jerry Brown of today vetoed bills to protect farm workers from heat deaths.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)most powerful political families in California history. When he ran against Bill Clinton, Bill contrasted himself to Brown's 'expensive suits and family money'. Called him establishment.
Brown constantly holds office, his siblings have held office and of course his father. Establishment, from established power. The fact that he had ideas that differed from his establishment peers at times does not change him into some orphan child who rose by talent and merit alone. I like Jerry by and large and I'm not trying to disparage him, it's just the fact.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)The first I remember hearing about him, he was CA governor married to Jane Fonda (or they were just dating...?), but I knew nothing about him or his family, so that came as a surprise to me.
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)Why are they running away from it? If not people like Boxer and Clinton, then who is the established Democratic power base pushing mainstream ideas with little gain.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)She's running a double standard and I'm used to liking her. She's a hypocrite.
TSIAS
(14,689 posts)It's just the ones that lie without remorse that I throw under the bus. It's a shame that Boxer, in one moment, chose to destroy the reputation she built over the past decades. I include the likes of Dolores Huerta and Ted Strickland in that group as well.
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)and can't let it go
dubyadiprecession
(5,620 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)If he were any less establishment he'd be performing danger music and giving himself facial tattoos!
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)You show no respect, so you get none.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Confusing that with being "progressive," though, is definitely Establishment.