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Survey Shows the Hillary Clinton Supporters are More Racist Than Sanders Supporters (Original Post) JRLeft Jun 2016 OP
This thread should be locked. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #1
Why it's a study. You hate the results? JRLeft Jun 2016 #8
Its a opt in poll belongs on drudge not du MattP Jun 2016 #93
Yep. barrow-wight Jun 2016 #124
LOL no it should get thousands of recs Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #32
It probably will. ucrdem Jun 2016 #36
K&R B Calm Jun 2016 #139
Why? Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #60
I know that you would have leapt to make that same post if the study had come out the opposite way. merrily Jun 2016 #76
I too pretend bones and tea-leaves tell us "what would have been," though science giggles at us. LanternWaste Jun 2016 #144
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #121
LOL, it's a study. B Calm Jun 2016 #138
No it's a #BernieStudy. ucrdem Jun 2016 #155
Most racists are supporting Donald Trump because he is one of their own. Hillary and Bernie are not. phleshdef Jun 2016 #2
+1111 Peacetrain Jun 2016 #6
Excellent point. JimDandy Jun 2016 #78
Yep. The millions of black and Hispanic and Asians ones are the worst of the lot Number23 Jun 2016 #3
My first thought, too Haveadream Jun 2016 #11
Apparently they surveyed reddit. ucrdem Jun 2016 #17
DU's demographics are pretty abysmal too. Which explains GDP better than anything anyone could Number23 Jun 2016 #19
Yes it's been eye opening. ucrdem Jun 2016 #20
Did you read the report? JRLeft Jun 2016 #44
What report? You linked to an empty questionnaire. ucrdem Jun 2016 #48
This is the best link I can find, but the study is real passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #82
Why in the world would I read or listen to anything that attempts to portray the supporters of a Number23 Jun 2016 #52
They probably can't see the data because they aren't registered at that site. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #65
It's not "totally normal" to pretend an empty questionnaire contains data except in #BernieScience. ucrdem Jun 2016 #66
yeah right. He linked to the site where you can get the data apparently if you register Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #67
OP links to a YouTube and empty questionnaire. The YouTube has the same link. No data. nt ucrdem Jun 2016 #68
Well I guess the questionnaire from the survey. What's wrong with that? Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #69
No data = bogus link to bogus story. nt ucrdem Jun 2016 #71
No, you can't see the data unless you register on the site. That's YOUR problem. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #73
the study is real passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #85
No data at that link. nt ucrdem Jun 2016 #109
the study is real passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #83
POC can be bigoted just the same. TimPlo Jun 2016 #72
Intolerance/bigotry has been openly displayed here on DU by POC. JimDandy Jun 2016 #81
I'd allege the same as well were the candidate I'm supporting in second place. LanternWaste Jun 2016 #147
EXCEPTIONALLY cool story, Tim. Number23 Jun 2016 #103
It's a guy in his car giving made up numbers. No data has been provided. #BernieScience. nt ucrdem Jun 2016 #108
Signup JRLeft Jun 2016 #116
No data = bogus link to bogus story. nt ucrdem Jun 2016 #126
Just because you personally don't have access to it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #150
. ucrdem Jun 2016 #152
Get an account and log into it if you're so concerned. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #153
LOL. You're not taking this very well. nt ucrdem Jun 2016 #154
On the contrary I couldn't care less. You're the one obsessed with "debunking" an academic study Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #157
. . . that only exists in your imagination. ucrdem Jun 2016 #158
Oh Lordy.. Peacetrain Jun 2016 #4
I just looked at this study, and looked up the source. Everyone should read this. Exilednight Jun 2016 #5
Who said Sanders supporters were more racist? UMTerp01 Jun 2016 #7
I felt the same way about white Hillary supporters, lecturing me about Hillary. JRLeft Jun 2016 #9
As you should!!!! UMTerp01 Jun 2016 #22
I get that. bravenak Jun 2016 #134
On the first day that he announced his campaign in his home state, the narrative was written... Luminous Animal Jun 2016 #28
Despicable UMTerp01 Jun 2016 #31
It was a whole image, a major negative branding campaign. Just awful. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #99
Lol Ohioblue22 Jun 2016 #10
"pilot survey of 1,200 individuals online opted in" ucrdem Jun 2016 #12
The study is legit, but it doesn't fit your narrative so throw it out right? JRLeft Jun 2016 #15
There isn't a study. There's a youtube somebody made in their car. ucrdem Jun 2016 #18
Nope, you are wrong passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #87
No "opt in" online study is legit. But it fits your narrative so you believe it. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #24
+1, some of them are still in anger stage uponit7771 Jun 2016 #26
The study is real. Watch the video if you don't want to sign up. JRLeft Jun 2016 #100
The video is a guy in a car talking to his laptop. nt ucrdem Jun 2016 #128
No its not, some dude sitting in is car with an online poll... yaw desperate no? tia uponit7771 Jun 2016 #133
You didn't read it, and it's not his poll. You hate the results so you decided to ignore it. JRLeft Jun 2016 #137
Appropriate thread? Seriously? BootinUp Jun 2016 #13
Duh. Anyone who follows the Clinton vs. Sanders wars on Twitter would know this Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #14
No problem. JRLeft Jun 2016 #16
What lines? ucrdem Jun 2016 #21
I don't need a survey to know that. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #23
This is garbage! hrmjustin Jun 2016 #25
It is indeed. There's no such study. nt ucrdem Jun 2016 #27
If you are going to spam this thread with your insistence that the study is fake passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #88
No data there, either. More #BernieScience. Did you think I wouldn't check? ucrdem Jun 2016 #107
You are unbelievable. passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #123
There's no evidence of data, no link to it, no HINT of it. Just a guy in a car and his webcam. nt ucrdem Jun 2016 #125
I"m not talking about the video link passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #129
There's no data at that link. No data = bogus story. nt ucrdem Jun 2016 #130
Now I know you are trolling passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #132
You probably meant to say, "These are not the droids you're looking for." merrily Jun 2016 #102
That is the second one nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #29
My response - CORNEL WEST underthematrix Jun 2016 #30
Come on MFM008 Jun 2016 #33
It's baloney. There's no such survey, just an empty questionnaire and a guy in his car. ucrdem Jun 2016 #34
So you didn't read the report. JRLeft Jun 2016 #47
There isn't any report. You linked to an empty questionnaire. nt ucrdem Jun 2016 #49
the study is real passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #89
Bullshit. Miles Archer Jun 2016 #35
Most racists do not like being named. guillaumeb Jun 2016 #37
Ask yourself, who would make such a video and then try to pass it off as legit? ucrdem Jun 2016 #40
I read the accompanying link. guillaumeb Jun 2016 #42
The link goes to an empty questionnaire. There's no data, just a guy in his car. nt ucrdem Jun 2016 #45
In the questionnaire is this: guillaumeb Jun 2016 #51
There's nothing to validate. There's no data. nt ucrdem Jun 2016 #54
That is a question for the poster. guillaumeb Jun 2016 #56
I've searched the ANES site and can't find any such report there either. ucrdem Jun 2016 #57
I agree with you that it is posted constantly. guillaumeb Jun 2016 #58
It's up to the OP. Now that he or she knows they can either leave it or nuke it. ucrdem Jun 2016 #59
Here you go again passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #92
You keep posting a bogus link. No data, no study, no article. nt ucrdem Jun 2016 #114
register JRLeft Jun 2016 #143
Someone who is telling the truth? passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #91
I have to call bullshit on this gollygee Jun 2016 #38
Hillary's group is more diverse than BS's.. dubyadiprecession Jun 2016 #39
Well if it were an opt in survey gollygee Jun 2016 #41
He's right passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #43
This is the kind of sleaze that right wingers bring into du MattP Jun 2016 #46
Just because you don't like the results you want it trashed. I'm black I know there is a lot of JRLeft Jun 2016 #50
There are no results. That's what people are objecting to. It's bogus #BernieNews. ucrdem Jun 2016 #53
"To view the links to the data files for each study, you must register and agree to our terms Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #63
A log-on link is not data. And neither the OP nor YouTube link to it anyway. nt ucrdem Jun 2016 #70
Here is some info on the study...just for you passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #95
You've posted that link ten times but it's not a study or data set. Post the survey results. nt ucrdem Jun 2016 #120
No data = bogus link to bogus story. nt ucrdem Jun 2016 #112
You're being intellectually dishonest. I've shown you the link to the study data Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #115
A log-in page is not a study or data set. nt ucrdem Jun 2016 #117
I can see why you're voting for Hillary Clinton Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #118
Because I'm not a sucker or because she won't put up with bullshit? ucrdem Jun 2016 #127
This is not a link to the data passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #94
I implore you to take this down. Its disgusting and without merit. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #55
What a pantsload. zappaman Jun 2016 #61
More on this here... Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #62
Thanks for this link passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #74
Another great thought from the link passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #75
and this just has to be said loud and clear passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #77
You linked to a You Tube video and blank survey form Generic Brad Jun 2016 #64
Here is a link to the study passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #96
Yes, the study is real passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #79
I went to that site once. And It was one time too many. BootinUp Jun 2016 #90
You mean like if a candiate made the statement like TimPlo Jun 2016 #104
Yeah, I've seen the quote. Whenever a politician brings up race, its BootinUp Jun 2016 #105
Sure it does. Yep, Bhaskar Sunkara, inspired by the Black Jacobins in Haiti has a soft spot Luminous Animal Jun 2016 #159
So far no one including the OP has provided an actual study or data set. nt ucrdem Jun 2016 #111
There are plenty of links up the thread yet you keep repeating the same crap. JRLeft Jun 2016 #119
LOL, they're all the same bogus links. No one has posted any actual data. nt ucrdem Jun 2016 #122
David Brock is the one who claimed Michelle Obama said whitey jfern Jun 2016 #80
Opt in internet panel MattP Jun 2016 #84
Sounds about as legit as a Drudge opt in poll MattP Jun 2016 #86
This is why many of you will be purged, you will not stop bashing our nominee nt. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #97
This is what we have to look forward to for the next 2 weeks. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #98
How about for the last eight years?? ucrdem Jun 2016 #131
Of course. Its been dreadful. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #142
True that Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #167
I coulda told you this easy enough Scootaloo Jun 2016 #101
man, the denials here by Clinton supporters is bbgrunt Jun 2016 #106
Exactly, I can't count how many race baiting posts I've seen from Hill supporters B Calm Jun 2016 #140
Sanders campaign in miniature: deceptive claims defended by true believers. nt ucrdem Jun 2016 #110
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife Jun 2016 #113
There are far more racists among Hilary supporters ContinentalOp Jun 2016 #135
#BernieStudies (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #136
This is a non-partisan election study passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #160
It's not even a "study", partisan or otherwise. Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #161
I would have called it a survey, passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #163
Nope, not a "survey" either (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #165
Not playin, passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #166
What a shame you would post this....nt asuhornets Jun 2016 #141
Bwahaha... B Calm Jun 2016 #145
I would venture to guess that would be a given. NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #146
It looks like Ford Fairlane got his video taken down. nt ucrdem Jun 2016 #148
What did Hillary supporters post porn on his site until it got removed? Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #149
Don't let Tink die! ucrdem Jun 2016 #151
The PDF isn't a study, it's a template for an interview. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #156
Don't be ridiculous. It's a serious, peer-reviewed study conducted by a respectable academic, Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #162
That report showed both Bernie and Hillary supporters are racist. Spacedog1973 Jun 2016 #164

barrow-wight

(744 posts)
124. Yep.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:53 AM
Jun 2016

You folks are just going to keep diving down to the very bottom of the cesspit in this last two weeks. No grace at all.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
76. I know that you would have leapt to make that same post if the study had come out the opposite way.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 12:51 AM
Jun 2016

I can just feel it in my bones.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
144. I too pretend bones and tea-leaves tell us "what would have been," though science giggles at us.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:56 AM
Jun 2016

I too pretend bones and tea-leaves tell us "what would have been," though science giggles at us.

Response to Trust Buster (Reply #1)

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
2. Most racists are supporting Donald Trump because he is one of their own. Hillary and Bernie are not.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:41 PM
Jun 2016

Number23

(24,544 posts)
19. DU's demographics are pretty abysmal too. Which explains GDP better than anything anyone could
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:38 PM
Jun 2016

ever hope to.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
20. Yes it's been eye opening.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:41 PM
Jun 2016

Disappointing but instructive. It's like the Civil Rights Act has to be written and debated every day.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
48. What report? You linked to an empty questionnaire.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:16 PM
Jun 2016

I've looked for some kind of report at the ANES site and can't find it there either.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
52. Why in the world would I read or listen to anything that attempts to portray the supporters of a
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:21 PM
Jun 2016

candidate that are the most diverse, ethnically racially and economically as the more racist?

This is nothing but a classic and desperate attempt at projection. Like all of those online surveys that mysteriously (and hilariously) portrayed Clinton supporters as the more aggressive. Because Sanders supporters don't know anything about skewing online polls, do they?

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
65. They probably can't see the data because they aren't registered at that site.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:19 PM
Jun 2016

A lot of times you will need to login to view academic studies. That's totally normal.



To view the links to the data files for each study,
you must register and agree to our terms of use.
http://www.electionstudies.org/studypages/download/datacenter_all_NoData.php
 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
67. yeah right. He linked to the site where you can get the data apparently if you register
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:44 PM
Jun 2016

I'm not sure if you need a school credential to login or what.

He named the reference. It took me 3 seconds to look that up.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
73. No, you can't see the data unless you register on the site. That's YOUR problem.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:53 PM
Jun 2016

That's not my problem, not OP's problem, and not Mr. Dixon's problem.

The data is here: LINK

It's not a bogus story, it's just that you personally are not logged into the site to see the data.

American National Election Studies, ANES is a collaboration of Stanford University and the University of Michigan, with funding by the National Science Foundation.

 

TimPlo

(443 posts)
72. POC can be bigoted just the same.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:51 PM
Jun 2016

My Grandfather a full blood Mohawk Tribe member would spout racist crap all time about Whites,blacks, and as he called them celestial(Asian). So don't think just because someone has different skin color they are either more or less likely to be racist than a white person.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
81. Intolerance/bigotry has been openly displayed here on DU by POC.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:10 AM
Jun 2016

A significant part of Clinton's campaign strategy has been based on not just exploiting, but creating racial divisiveness, for goodness sakes.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
147. I'd allege the same as well were the candidate I'm supporting in second place.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:01 AM
Jun 2016

I'd allege the same as well were the candidate I'm supporting in second place. No doubt, you have objective evidence to support "a significant part of Clinton's campaign strategy..." (If not, I understand-- statistical math can be difficult)

Number23

(24,544 posts)
103. EXCEPTIONALLY cool story, Tim.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:56 AM
Jun 2016


And it's clear from your response that you didn't watch the video or read the thread before responding to my post. Don't feel bad, I didn't watch the video either.
 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
150. Just because you personally don't have access to it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:25 PM
Jun 2016

DU links are sometimes to resources that are behind newspaper paywalls and registration walls.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
157. On the contrary I couldn't care less. You're the one obsessed with "debunking" an academic study
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:46 PM
Jun 2016

on the basis that you personally didn't register on the site to see the study.

 

UMTerp01

(1,048 posts)
7. Who said Sanders supporters were more racist?
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:50 PM
Jun 2016

First of all, who said that more Bernie Sanders supporters were racist? What I have pointed out is being sick of the lecturing from Bernie Sanders supporters about why the overwhelming majority of Black voters have chosen to support Hillary Clinton. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't doubt that Hillary Clinton's supporters may be more racist. Lest we forget the 2008 campaign and a lot of racist comments coming from her supporters about then Senator Obama. So the result of that survey doesn't surprise me.

What has bothered me is this sort of elite white liberalism tinged with racial overtones that somehow White liberals need to be telling Black folk about "Stockholm Syndrome" and "MississippiBurning" hashtags after Hillary had overwhelming Black support in the Mississippi. But neither of these can be put on the candidate (although Bernie has been dismissive of the southern vote, which was heavily African American).

But still...the topic here is racist supporters and that can't be put on Bernie Sanders nor Hillary Clinton. Because more Blacks are supporting Hillary of course there is going to be more commentary about the lack of Black support for Bernie Sanders and therefore this implication that Bernie supporters are just a bunch of racist White people. Not the case. You don't hear it talked about with Hillary's folk because she has the majority of Black votes. So while I hear what this vlog guy is saying I don't see how one candidate having more racist supporters has anything to do with why African Americans chose Hillary Clinton in overwhelming fashion to Bernie Sanders. But hell yes there are plenty of racist Democrats. In other shocking news, water is wet.

 

UMTerp01

(1,048 posts)
22. As you should!!!!
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:45 PM
Jun 2016

Nobody should be lecturing anybody. Make the case for your candidate in a general manner but don't get all "why are you voting for Bernie" or "why are you voting for Hillary"

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
28. On the first day that he announced his campaign in his home state, the narrative was written...
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:53 PM
Jun 2016

"Not good enough, Bernie." To add fuel to the fire… The, "Not good enough Bernie" article was illustrated (and replicated here on DU) with a picture of an injured or dead black man with his head being held up by two white men and depicted as the result of a game hunt. It was absolutely sickening to tie Bernie to such a racist and violent act. But you see, people didn't know Bernie. They were not aware of his civil rights activism… his arrest… his consistent criticism over the years of over-policing and criticism of the mass incarceration of black and brown youth. You see, Bernie hasn't, throughout his career promoted racist policies; whereas Hillary has. So they had to kneecap him early. Near simultaneously, 2 white conservative authors mirrored the the narrative.

So the narrative was threaded; and over months, stitched into a whole with BernieBros; and then tied off. It was a brilliant piece of advertising. More brilliant than the kneecapping of Gore smearing him as a fabricator… When Gore was probably the sincerest candidate since Carter.

 

UMTerp01

(1,048 posts)
31. Despicable
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:55 PM
Jun 2016

I never saw that picture of the dead Black man and the head being held up by two White men. Thats absolutely despicable.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
99. It was a whole image, a major negative branding campaign. Just awful.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:33 AM
Jun 2016

Now I don't want to let the Sanders campaign totally off the hook. Bernie left himself vulnerable to that kind of attack because he didn't anticipate it. He didn't really have much on his website about race issues until after he got attacked. But nothing warranted what was done. Like you said, they had the story written on the first day.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
12. "pilot survey of 1,200 individuals online opted in"
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:15 PM
Jun 2016

What's a pilot survey and why is this story broadcast from a car?



p.s. answer: A pilot survey is a strategy used to test the questionnaire. In other words, it hasn't actually been administered yet. Also, there is no print story, and the linked document is a draft online questionnaire without any data.

And in other #BernieNews . . .

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
18. There isn't a study. There's a youtube somebody made in their car.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:24 PM
Jun 2016

Where did you find this link, anyway?

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
14. Duh. Anyone who follows the Clinton vs. Sanders wars on Twitter would know this
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:21 PM
Jun 2016

And read between the lines a little bit and you can see a lot of it on DU too.

And thank you for posting this.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
123. You are unbelievable.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:43 AM
Jun 2016

I posted the link to the website connected to that study, with the text explaining the study and the dates it was conducted on, and you still say you don't believe there was a study because you don't see the actual data?

From that 'bogus' link:

To view the links to the data files for each study,
you must register and agree to our terms of use.


There is a button on the study link page that takes you to the data center. Click on that and register to see the data.

ANES is committed to protect the privacy and confidentiality of our survey respondents and to provide our data in ways that are most useful to the user community. To that end, we now require people who want to download the data to agree to our terms of use. We also ask that you provide some information that will help us better serve the research community.


STUDY HIGHLIGHTS:
The ANES 2016 Pilot Study was conducted for the purpose of testing new questions and conducting methodological research to inform the design of future ANES studies, particularly the ANES 2016 Time Series. Much of the content was based on proposals from the ANES user community submitted through the Online Commons. The survey included questions about preferences in the presidential primary, stereotyping, the economy, discrimination, race and racial consciousness, police use of force, and numerous policy issues.

Data collection was conducted between January 22 and January 28, 2016. The sample consisted of 1,200 individuals who were part of an opt-in internet panel and who completed the 32 minute (median) questionnaire online. See the Codebook for more information about the sample.


http://www.electionstudies.org/studypages/anes_pilot_2016/anes_pilot_2016.htm?version=meter+at+null&module=meter-Links&pgtype=article&contentId=&mediaId=&referrer=&priority=true&action=click&contentCollection=meter-links-click

To see the data you need to register and I'm not giving them my e-mail address. You are welcome to go there. But even without the data in your face, the above text proves the study is real and you are just being deliberately obtuse or obstinate or you are trolling. Yes, I've gone through shit like this with you before. I should have expected this.

I'm not wasting any more time on this. I think it's pretty obvious to most people here the study is real.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
129. I"m not talking about the video link
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:12 AM
Jun 2016

I'm talking about this link that I gave you in all the posts I replied to. Geeze...you obviously didn't even look at it.

Here, there is a link to the data (upper left where it says return to data center). But you have to register to have access to it.

http://www.electionstudies.org/studypages/anes_pilot_2016/anes_pilot_2016.htm?version=meter+at+null&module=meter-Links&pgtype=article&contentId=&mediaId=&referrer=&priority=true&action=click&contentCollection=meter-links-click

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
34. It's baloney. There's no such survey, just an empty questionnaire and a guy in his car.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:58 PM
Jun 2016

#BernieSurvey.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
35. Bullshit.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:58 PM
Jun 2016

I agree with many of the comments here. I'm a Sanders supporter and no fan of Clinton but this kind of horseshit has no place on DU.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
37. Most racists do not like being named.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:02 PM
Jun 2016

At least not in public. Perhaps the study makes them uncomfortable?

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
40. Ask yourself, who would make such a video and then try to pass it off as legit?
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:04 PM
Jun 2016

That tells you all you need to know about this primary.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
42. I read the accompanying link.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:11 PM
Jun 2016

It surveys, or claims to survey, attitudes among voters. If someone here can post a criticism of the methodology or the analysis I would read that also. But my opinion is that racism is endemic to the US electorate irrespective of party or candidate. To claim that HRC supporters are more racist than Sanders supporters is inflammatory.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
51. In the questionnaire is this:
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:20 PM
Jun 2016
[DISPLAY ONLY] This survey is sponsored by Stanford University. If you have any questions or comments about the survey you may contact Dr. Matthew DeBell at 650-725-2239, or by email at debell@stanford.edu.


Given this, either the name and number are not valid.........or they are. I have not and will not attempt to validate the information, but I am unsure what you refer to by an empty questionnaire. It appears to be the template for the questionnaire.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
56. That is a question for the poster.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:28 PM
Jun 2016

But whether the lack of data in the post reflects an actual absence of data or is simply an incomplete post is another matter.

And again, racism and general hate is something that is part of both parties. Look at all the anti-Muslim hate speech at DU.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
57. I've searched the ANES site and can't find any such report there either.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:30 PM
Jun 2016

And you know what? This kind of cr#p is what really ticks Hillary supporters off because it gets posted here constantly.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
58. I agree with you that it is posted constantly.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:34 PM
Jun 2016

A desperate search for something, anything, to derail HRC as a candidate.

She was not my first choice, but this type of grasping at straws is a bit foolish.

If you cannot find the information at the site, perhaps someone should contact the Doctor and let him know that his name is being referenced.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
59. It's up to the OP. Now that he or she knows they can either leave it or nuke it.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:37 PM
Jun 2016

I'd recommend nuking as it might not survive a jury.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
38. I have to call bullshit on this
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:03 PM
Jun 2016

I could buy it if they got similar numbers for both, but 43% of Hillary supporters saying black people are lazy vs. 20% of Bernie supporters? I'm just not buying that. The "opt-in survey" got trolled.

It looks like people opted in and you just believed they were supporting whoever they told you they were supporting and you have to just trust that no one is lying about that. And that no one is trolling the "survey."

I do. however, agree with the Youtuber's comment that America as a whole has a lot of work to do.

I was interested when I first read this, assuming the numbers would be roughly the same and that it was an actual survey. But this just doesn't sound legitimate at all.

(I would also have to assume that only or mainly white people chose to opt in. Otherwise, it would be nice to have numbers on how many people of color were included.)

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
41. Well if it were an opt in survey
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:06 PM
Jun 2016

It could be that only or mainly white supporters opted in.

However, as I said in my post immediately before this, it looks like they got trolled.

MattP

(3,304 posts)
46. This is the kind of sleaze that right wingers bring into du
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:16 PM
Jun 2016

Horrible post and attacking other dems is repulsive

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
50. Just because you don't like the results you want it trashed. I'm black I know there is a lot of
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:18 PM
Jun 2016

racism in the Democratic party and in this nation.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
53. There are no results. That's what people are objecting to. It's bogus #BernieNews.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:21 PM
Jun 2016

It's just another deceptive YouTube video. Now that you know you really should self-delete.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
115. You're being intellectually dishonest. I've shown you the link to the study data
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:35 AM
Jun 2016

It's a very reputable survey and site.

You just don't want to register for an account to get access to it.

That's your problem.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
62. More on this here...
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:12 PM
Jun 2016

There's an article on this today on jacobin.com.




Nor do the ANES data furnish much evidence that Sanders voters have been motivated by white racial resentment. Among Democrats and non-Republican-leaning independents, in fact, white Clinton supporters were more inclined than white Sanders supporters to say that blacks are “lazy” or “violent,” and that black people should work their way up “without special favors.”



Only 22 percent of white Sanders supporters indicated that “being white” was “extremely” or “very important” to them (compared to 43 percent of white Clinton supporters).

By contrast, 74 percent of Sanders supporters (compared to 56 percent of Clinton supporters) reported that “the difference in incomes between rich people and poor people” has grown “much larger” in the last twenty years. Sanders supporters placed income inequality among their most important political issues twice as often as Clinton supporters.


https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/06/bernie-sanders-achen-bartels-white-men-krugman-election-clinton/

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
74. Thanks for this link
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 12:32 AM
Jun 2016
drawing from their new book, Democracy for Realists — they argue that the difference between Sanders and Clinton voters lies not in ideology or policy views, but “social identities, symbolic commitments, and partisan loyalties.”

Sanders voters, in short, are not “the vanguard of a new, social democratic–trending Democratic Party,” but chiefly a group of “disaffected white men” and young people drawn to “campaign labels, not policy preferences.”

Of course, this is music to many ears. Nothing would please corporate Democrats and establishment pundits more than if the largest left-wing insurgency in American primary history could be exposed, once and for all, as an accidental combination of confused children and angry white dudes.

An ecstatic Paul Krugman, crowing that Achen and Bartels had laid bare the true essence of the movement, was even inspired to formulate a set of Myers Briggs–style personality types for Sanders voters, in which every shade of fool, narcissist, lunatic, and failure was duly represented.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/06/bernie-sanders-achen-bartels-white-men-krugman-election-clinton/

OK, now I, an old woman who is a Bernie supporter, officially hate Paul Krugman. I've disliked him for some time but this goes beyond the pale of nasty.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
75. Another great thought from the link
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 12:49 AM
Jun 2016

and yes...this link does prove the existence of this survey. Also in the link they explain that the survey also included some republican participants.

now I loved this paragraph:

Sanders has reminded observers that collective action and organized people remain the driving force behind social progress. The rough and tumble quality of strikes and protests and mass rallies don’t debase democracy — they are among its highest expressions.


And this (we keep saying this but Hillary supporters here don't want to accept it):

43 percent of voters — and 70 percent of young voters — opted for the social-democratic candidate, even though he was facing an opponent with greater institutional backing than any non-incumbent in history. (If more independents were allowed to vote, the result would have been even closer.)

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
77. and this just has to be said loud and clear
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 12:54 AM
Jun 2016
74 percent of Sanders supporters (compared to 56 percent of Clinton supporters) reported that “the difference in incomes between rich people and poor people” has grown “much larger” in the last twenty years.


Even though it is a known fact to economists, Hillary supporters don't believe there is an income and wealth inequality problem in this country that has been growing for a long time. They either don't know about it, or don't accept it as truth.

I wonder why?

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
79. Yes, the study is real
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:08 AM
Jun 2016

Just posting this link again to this excellent article about Sander's supporters. Bernie people, you've gotta read this.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/06/bernie-sanders-achen-bartels-white-men-krugman-election-clinton/

Now, for the study, I found a link to the ANES 2016 pilot study in an article (Writing in the New York Times, political scientists Christopher Achen and Larry Bartels) linked in the link above, and it says this about the study:

STUDY HIGHLIGHTS:
The ANES 2016 Pilot Study was conducted for the purpose of testing new questions and conducting methodological research to inform the design of future ANES studies, particularly the ANES 2016 Time Series. Much of the content was based on proposals from the ANES user community submitted through the Online Commons. The survey included questions about preferences in the presidential primary, stereotyping, the economy, discrimination, race and racial consciousness, police use of force, and numerous policy issues.

Data collection was conducted between January 22 and January 28, 2016. The sample consisted of 1,200 individuals who were part of an opt-in internet panel and who completed the 32 minute (median) questionnaire online. See the Codebook for more information about the sample.


http://www.electionstudies.org/studypages/anes_pilot_2016/anes_pilot_2016.htm?version=meter+at+null&module=meter-Links&pgtype=article&contentId=&mediaId=&referrer=&priority=true&action=click&contentCollection=meter-links-click

So yes, it is a real study. This is not the page with the study data on it...you may have to register or something to see that, but there is a button to click to go back to the data center.

BootinUp

(47,144 posts)
90. I went to that site once. And It was one time too many.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:17 AM
Jun 2016

Its a Socialist site that spins current Democratic party philosophy and the media as being racist to white working class people, why? Because whenever it is often pointed out that white working class voters don't vote for the D party that is being racist. So obvious. /sarcasm

 

TimPlo

(443 posts)
104. You mean like if a candiate made the statement like
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:15 AM
Jun 2016

“I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on,” she said in the interview, citing an article by The Associated Press.

It “found how Senator Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me.


BootinUp

(47,144 posts)
105. Yeah, I've seen the quote. Whenever a politician brings up race, its
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:18 AM
Jun 2016

a landmine, because it will be spun by whoever doesn't like them. Bottom line, polls showed something, she described it. BFD.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
159. Sure it does. Yep, Bhaskar Sunkara, inspired by the Black Jacobins in Haiti has a soft spot
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:48 PM
Jun 2016

for the white working class.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
80. David Brock is the one who claimed Michelle Obama said whitey
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:09 AM
Jun 2016

Funny how he then made up the whole myth of the sexist and racist white male BernieBro. Screw the Hillary campaign for their projecting their discrimination onto us. I will never vote for a campaign of hate.

MattP

(3,304 posts)
84. Opt in internet panel
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:12 AM
Jun 2016
so anonymous people clicked yes I'm a racist Hillary supporter or a racist Bernie supporter, sounds legit

bbgrunt

(5,281 posts)
106. man, the denials here by Clinton supporters is
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:35 AM
Jun 2016

very telling.

One only must ask what kind of people are most likely to USE race as a divisive issue: people who are less racist or people who are more racist.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
140. Exactly, I can't count how many race baiting posts I've seen from Hill supporters
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:06 AM
Jun 2016

during this primary.

Very telling indeed!

Response to JRLeft (Original post)

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
146. I would venture to guess that would be a given.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:59 AM
Jun 2016

Remember "Super Predators" and "bringing them to heel", giving the poor a choice between voluntary military service or making money for the private prison industry as a long term inmate?

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
162. Don't be ridiculous. It's a serious, peer-reviewed study conducted by a respectable academic,
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:03 PM
Jun 2016

who is a faculty member at a prestigious university.

Just kidding. It is, of course, a #BernieStudy.

Spacedog1973

(221 posts)
164. That report showed both Bernie and Hillary supporters are racist.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:34 PM
Jun 2016

Seems to me both groups are losers here. Nobody cares if you aren't as racist as the next guy if you too are racist.

Seems like a king of the midden heap fight to me.

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