For my part in trying to help unity I am making a resolution

[bravenak]

I will no longer write any ops that are unreasonably critical of Bernie. There is no longer any reason for me to take part in that type of activity. Regardless of how others act, I am just not interested in criticizing Bernie when we have this maniac Trump on the loose.
The more I watch him, the sicker he makes me feel.

I understand that people are feeling angry or upset with the changes coming up. No need to add to that. Hopefully, after a time, we can all come together. Trump is gross.

[seekthetruth]

1. It's not about who's gross...

...the problem is each candidates platforms. Totally different. Hence the strong divisions we're experiencing now.

We should respect one another, each of us has a right to our opinions. I don't believe Hillary supporters are dumb, ignorant, or sellouts. I believe they feel how they wish to about things. It's entirely their right, and there are valid points to support Clinton. Pragmatism is of course needed. But so is idealism and, yes, a revolutionary spirit.

But, please, do admit that the modern day Democratic Party has shifted a bit to the center which is causing the severe fracturing we're seeing today.

[BootinUp]

3. So would you agree with the following

that Clintons platform (hope you have looked at it) is the most liberal platform of a likely Dem. nominee since 1984?

[seekthetruth]

6. No.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/want-endless-war-love-the_b_9133660.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

Given what we've experienced in the past 15 years, no she's not a liberal. She's dangerous.

"Although Clinton supports the nuclear deal, she talks tough about Iran. In September 2015, she provocatively declared, “I don’t believe Iran is our partner in this agreement. Iran is the subject of the agreement,” adding, “I will confront them across the board.” She said, “I will not hesitate to take military action if Iran attempts to obtain a nuclear weapon.”

Fuckin scary. We do not need any more fucking war, GET IT?????

Just one example....I can further if you want.

[BootinUp]

8. Its tougher variation of trust but verify. I was more interested in your take

on her economic platform. Arguing foreign policy with people who are convinced she is practically a warmonger gets old.

[seekthetruth]

71. What gets old ?

Seeing more war? Didn't she vote for the very war that got us into this mess?

When you say that it's getting old that this point keeps getting brought up, you have to ask yourself why it is continually brought up..... It's because it was such a monumental mistake in judgement.

[BootinUp]

74. There is a leftie meme about the IWR vote that ignores Bush's lying

us into it. I see you are another one pushing that meme.

Previously posted rebuttal:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2106396

[seekthetruth]

79. So you're saying that all of the innocent lives lost since we invaded Iraq...

....is a "meme"?

I'm not just trying to win an argument....I'm looking at history.

Good god.....

[BootinUp]

82. Just read the rebuttal material, or ignore it. nt

[Miles Archer]

218. Try answering the damned question

You were asked a direct question. Answer it instead of pulling that "read it or ignore it n/t" crap.

[BootinUp]

219. No, I won't answer that ridiculous question. nt

[seekthetruth]

230. So I watched her foreign policy speech today.....

All I heard was the same America is great, rah rah, only we know real freedom and democracy, we have the greatest economy bullshit that we hear every four years from candidates.

She's no different....more of the same American exceptionalism crap.....not impressed.

Now if she spoke to the problems that our country faces, and was realistic about how to resolve them, then she'd have my ear.

Sadly, if she gets into office, it'll be more of the same......

[seekthetruth]

136. Not convinced.

If there had been a lack of public opinion concerning the question of going to war, and there wasn't mass protest, then sure, she could use the excuse that she was given bum information by the Bush administration. All of her statements basically ignore the context of the entire debate.

Also, wasn't the Bush administration telling everyone that Saddam played a hand in 9/11, and an attack by Iraq was imminent via terrorist attack? At the time, most people weren't buying it.

As a result of her, and others, support we now have Isis and millions of innocent Iraqis and our sons and daughters either dead or injured.

Sorry, if you're running for president you can't just use the excuse "they told me so" and then claim ignorance.

A bullshit excuse, and crappy judgement.

[BootinUp]

137. You gotta have your standards. I assume you did not vote Kerry in '04

and that you do not think Biden is a suitable alternative to Hillary.

[seekthetruth]

138. I think Biden would be a great deal better than Clinton.

I don't think he's spoken nearly as many half truths or lies....

Didn't vote in '04.

[BootinUp]

139. I have taken on posters on the half truths and lies meme before

and quite well actually. She has modified some positions over time to suit public opinion and the people she represents AND to prevent loss of D party strength in office. And Bernie and his supporters criticize that very harshly. It must be nice to do that from a safe seat in Vermont or from an idealistic viewpoint.

I suggest that you have unrealistic expectations of politicians and a not so good understanding of what it takes to protect social programs against further RW gains. About what it takes to argue against torture when Americans are still filled with rage over 911.

As far as lies, the only one I have seen that I can't really refute is the sniper fire story. If you consider that a big deal, then what you don't realize is that people in public life for a long time make mistakes. Biden has, they all have. Her votes are completely defensible in the context of being a serious legislator and member of the liberal party. Thats all I have to say. At this point I suggest you listen to other liberals and progressives and see what they say.

[AgingAmerican]

150. So it's like Reagan on steroids?

[BootinUp]

151. Different foreign country, different situation. What is YOUR Iran policy?

[AgingAmerican]

152. Different foreign country, different situation, to the right of Reagan

[BootinUp]

153. Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the Right. Bye. nt

[AgingAmerican]

156. Hillary to the right of Reagan

On war.

[MFM008]

10. you don't know WHAT she will do

GET IT?????

[seekthetruth]

76. You're right....

But I know what she's done in the past....

GET IT???

[BootinUp]

12. Additionally, I recommend you listen to her speech tomorrow

on foreign policy, not snippets that the far left pulls out to twist her policy.

[seekthetruth]

72. I was just referring to her statement.

She said that she will use any means necessary to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear bomb.....but does that mean unilateral action? As multitudes of people have said..... it's her past judgements and decisions that make many voters not agree with her.

[seekthetruth]

73. I'll definitely listen to what she has to say. If it remotely pertains to American exceptionalism..

....then she's lost me.

[barrow-wight]

16. We're sure you can.

Further, and further, and further. The problem is, it doesn't lead to anything remotely sane.

[saidsimplesimon]

53. Thank you seekthetruth, I agree.

[Gothmog]

194. Hillary Clinton has some of the best policies for the protection of voting rights out there

The Clinton platform is one of the best set of proposals to protect the right to vote that I have seen and this is one of my passions. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/voting-rights/

Hillary has laid out her vision for how to expand access to the ballot box for all Americans and how to defend against the systematic, deliberate efforts to stop millions of citizens from participating in our democracy:

Repairing the Voting Rights Act. Congress should move quickly to pass legislation that would fix the damage done to the Voting Rights Act by the Supreme Court and restore the full protections American voters need and deserve. These protections are crucial for young and minority voters, seniors, and other underrepresented groups disproportionately affected by harmful Republican efforts to restrict voting.

Setting a new national standard for early voting. It’s time to set a standard across our country of at least 20 days of early in-person voting, including opportunities for evening and weekend voting. This will reduce long lines and give more people an opportunity to vote, especially those who have work or family obligations during the day. Early in-person voting isn’t just convenient—it’s also more secure, more reliable, and more affordable than absentee voting.

Implementing universal, automatic voter registration. Every citizen in every state should be automatically registered to vote when they turn 18, unless they choose to opt out. At the same time, we need to make sure that registration rolls are secure, up to date, and accurate. When you move, your registration should move with you. Modernizing registration will add tens of millions of voters to the rolls, cost less, and reduce the potential for errors or irregularities.

[okieinpain]

155. is the center bad, i'm not a big fan of the far right or left. n/t.

[rhett o rick]

212. The so called "center" has been redefined as now equaling Republicon lite.

The whole scale has shifted to the Right. On what issues do you disagree with on the left? The Center now embraces not regulating the banks or Monsanto or Big Pharma. The Center now wants to save SS by cutting benefits. The Center wants and aggressive foreign and large defense budget. The Center wants to kill American jobs by moving manufacturing jobs overseas. The Center supports tough drug laws (against marijuana) to keep their Prisons For Profits profitable.

Here is what the left wants. Point out where you disagree.

We want to Strengthening Social Security (e.g., raising the cap)
We are Opposed to job killing "Free Trade" agreements
We are opposed to fracking for oil company profits over people's water
We want to help college students afford college (telling them to get a job doesn't cut it)
We support making major corps pay their fair share of taxes
We want to end the unregulated domestic spying and making the NSA/CIA Security State have oversight.
Also end drone killing of terrorist "suspects" in foreign lands (100 innocents killed for each suspect)
We are for reducing the defense budget
We are for taking a hard stand against torture and indefinite detention.
We support the end of the militarization of our local police forces.
We want to end Prisons for Profits
We support legalizing marijuana esp. for medical use.
We believe in the need for funding rebuilding our neglected infrastructure.
We support single payer health insurance.
We want to see the regulation of Wall Street (e.g. reinstate Glass-Steagall)
We want to break up the big bank and media monopolies.
We are against American Exceptionalism and an excuse for neocon imperialism.

[okieinpain]

216. those center conditions don't look right to me. are you sure about those.

i dont see those positions mentioned any where.

[rhett o rick]

217. The positions I listed are positions of the Left. Do you disagree with

them?

[Maru Kitteh]

2. Trump is pretty gross. And terrifying. Stupid. Brutal.

I kind of put him in the Al Capone category. Wealthy by chance, grown and protected with a fascist-style brutality.

[bravenak]

7. I never knew how terrible he was

We need to take him DOWN

[Bluenorthwest]

69. You were not listening, you were busy delivering a narrative of your own agenda.

Look. LGBT and various other minority groups have been actively demonstrating against Trump since the 1980's. Woody Guthrie wrote folks songs about Trump's father and his racist housing policies. In the 1950's.

People were dragged away by the cops protesting Trump at Trump Tower in the 80's. ACT UP's 'Majority Committee' organized that. The Majority Committee was comprised of people of color as 'minorities' were and are the HIV majority.

Those who refuse to know history are doomed to repeat it. Those who seek to revise history attempt to force it to repeat.

I'm sick of the ignorance that results from persons being too bigoted to listen when the warnings are called, too busy bashing Bernie to recognize the Reich as it marches into town.

Such self indulgence and bias puts us all in danger.

[ismnotwasm]

121. What agenda would that be?

[bravenak]

146. You are never on topic

[kstewart33]

157. bravenak, thanks for trying, but the anger and frustration is boiling.

We all simply have to wait for June 16 when this nonsense will end.

Why don't we Hillary supporters step away from this forum for a few days. Hillary could catch a cold and she'd be eviscerated here for spreading her cold to other people. More proof that she isn't for 'the people.'

The interactions aren't productive.

[bravenak]

160. I agree

I had planned on just posting this and ending most of my discussion of this primary for a long while. Too much rage here to have a discussion.

[Gothmog]

195. I also agree

[AgingAmerican]

154. Now you went and gave them the vapors!

[SusanCalvin]

141. Better late than never.

He's a terrifying fool.

[skepticscott]

167. Yes, you did

No one with an ounce of sense couldn't have known. No one who spends as much time on Democratic political sites as you do could not have known. It's been out there as clear as day for everyone to see ever since he became a candidate. He's a fucking Republican, for pity's sake!

[bravenak]

168. He made up his whole persona

I was a kid when he was always in the news.

[skepticscott]

169. And that matters...why?

Everyone who has a ounce of brains and has been paying any attention knew he was a psychopath and an idiot a long time ago (including the members of the jury you're probably going to try to recruit).

If you say you didn't know, you're either lying or clueless. Which is it?

[bravenak]

170. So confrontational

I'm not explaining myself. Enjoy whatever this is.

[bravenak]

173. Blah blah blah anger anger hate hate blah blah blah. So BORING.

[skepticscott]

174. Don't flatter yourself

You're not significant enough to warrant hate or anger. Just scorn and derision. Live with that.

[bravenak]

175. You seem to pay me A LOT of attention

[skepticscott]

176. A lot? Another of your lies

Show me the last time I responded to one of your posts before this subthread.

How many threads have I responded to you in over the last three months?

[bravenak]

177. Here you are, still paying me unnecessary attention

[kerry-is-my-prez]

178. Whoa!!! Easy there......

[aikoaiko]

4. Thank you. I noticed that you already started this.

I have to stop responding to the trolling OPs or posts. I just can't seem to do it yet.

As a start I will drop my Lesser of Two Evils in HRC script.

[bravenak]

9. It's hard not to get sucked in to some of these ops

I had to just start putting the most prolific posters who write them on ignore to avoid temptation

[bettyellen]

14. That's a nice gesture. I will try to be kinder, except when people post RW crap....

Then I will still be a jerk. ha ha.

[Maru Kitteh]

15. Nice gesture! Kinda like sig-line strip poker, lol.

Okay. Here's my contribution. I will try, from this post forward, to answer unreason with reason only and no more. I will resist, as much as my nature will allow, answering snark with more snark. I will endeavor not to feed any of the trolls.

GO DEMS! LET'S GO GET THAT ORANGE BASTARD!

[TSIAS]

5. I'll make a resolution as well

I won't forget your actions over the past year. Trying to make nice at the very end does nothing for me.

However, I will vote for Clinton in the GE. In my personal life, I will be critical of Trump and keep my misgivings about Clinton to a minimum. I don't want anything to do with the echo chamber that DU wants to become, but that's okay because DU doesn't have much effect on the real world.

I won't forget how Bernie Sanders were branded racists, misogynists, freeloaders, and many more nasty pejoratives. I won't subject my country to a President Trump just because of the shabby treatment at the hands of DU's resident Clinton supporters.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

180. Clinton supporters haven't been called much nicer names.

[hollysmom]

11. I ahve no idea why someone would want to do that to fellow members of a board ever.

you have opened a whole can of worms for me,. I try and be sincere here among those who should be friends.
Maybe I have to rethink this entire board. The fact that you knew you were being unreasonable, is pretty bad, I am not saying I didn't see that being done here,
Look I am not naive, I saw it being done here, I just want no part of it. It is not a good way to support a candidate, it just pisses off the other posters and has seriously damaged the party unity ideal. Nope too late to pretend to be nice now. the damage has been done.

PS running as better than Trumpo is not a good premise - he won't be the nominee.

[bravenak]

13. I think we were ALL being unreasonable and many still are

My thing is that it is unreasonable to criticize him if I see this thing as over. Beating a dead horse is unreasonable. I can stop. Other can do or feel however they want to

[merrily]

20. Baloney.

[SusanCalvin]

142. I like to think I wasn't. I was trying, anyway. nt

[barrow-wight]

17. Can you can the self-righteous act please?

There was far more viciousness in the Bernie camp here in the past few weeks I've been reading than anything from Hillary's people.

[Jim Lane]

39. Have you heard of confirmation bias?

You write:

There was far more viciousness in the Bernie camp here in the past few weeks I've been reading than anything from Hillary's people.

My impression, as a Bernie supporter, is precisely the opposite.

I doubt that you've done a comprehensive review of all the posts. I haven't done such a review, either, and I know that I'm much more likely to remember the Hillary camp's nastiness. I'm also more likely to see a given turn of phrase in a bad light if it's employed against me and my allies. Although I'm aghast at the way many Clinton supporters have behaved, I know that some Sanders supporters have also crossed the line. Most importantly, I'm aware that my casual impressions from reading DU aren't a reliable basis for deciding who was worse.

The introduction to the Wikipedia article explains it well:

Confirmation bias, also called confirmatory bias or myside bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's preexisting beliefs or hypotheses, while giving disproportionately less consideration to alternative possibilities.[Note 1][1] It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs. People also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position.

[davidlynch]

50. This is very important--probably deserves its own OP...

I was vaguely aware of this, but wow, does it have sweeping implications for the posts at DU. Thanks for posting this, if we had any sense we'd keep this front and center in our minds as we move forward.

[barrow-wight]

111. I don't think it applies here.

The site is clearly far more dominated by Sanders supporters thank those for Hillary based on every poll I've looked at. Even if the Hillary supporters are more likely to be vicious, the sheer numbers of Sanders supporters here would drown that out.

[hollysmom]

116. and I called it out, as did a very few Clinton supporters very very few

but if this is the kind of board you want where people troll each other with differing ideas - well, you had it. I hope you enjoyed it, I spent far to much time on a jury here dealing with the nastiness to find it fun. Why worry about trolls coming to the board when people here were doing it themselves.

self righteous - having or showing a strong belief that your own actions, opinions, etc., are right and other people's are wrong - yes indeed I do believe that my opinion on this is correct - not every person's opinion is wrong but on being nasty to each other, trolling each other, I Think the TOS has that opinion as well -

[ebayfool]

18. Oy vey ... n/t

[bvf]

27. That about covers it.

She may end up self-deleting this OP, too, as she did with the phony apology that didn't garner her enough needed hugs after that antisemitic rant of hers.

[frylock]

81. I see what you did there.

[SMC22307]

206. ...

Lectures about making nice. Fucking classic.

[DonCoquixote]

19. I can respect the fact you are trying to cool the flames

However, the fact is, DU has become a flame chamber. I do not know what Skinner plans, as he does give hints, but the fact is,while some Bernie folks did go nuts (I hope whoever sent you the harassment via snailmail does hard time in a hard prison) the fact is a lot of the Hillary folks treated us like we were not even wanted, like they did not even NEED us come November.

http://www.thenation.com/article/to-win-in-november-hillary-clinton-will-need-bernie-sanderss-voters/

So while I will voter to keep trump out of office, I refuse to give Hillary a honeymoon that many of her supporters refused to give Obama. After Trump is gone, the pressure on her to lean left and stop lsitening to the hard right will be one from the first second. We wonl;t be drinking Victory chpagne, because we know debbie Wasserman Schultz will be spiking it.

[bravenak]

21. I can respect that

And keeping pressure up from the left does not have to be a bad thing.

[DonCoquixote]

34. Thanks for keeping it classy though.

I have a distinct fear that few want to do that. I am personally hoping that come January , there will at the very least an acknowledgement among all of us to the left of Trump that we need to work together if we do not want the GOP to eat our lunch, but I have an odd feeling that everyone will just shoot for the lowest common denominator because that is what gets attention. OR, to quote WB Yeats:

"The best lack all conviction / The worst are full of passionate intensity."

[Warren Stupidity]

22. I appreciate your confession that your criticisms of

Sanders were unreasonable. It is a start.

[bravenak]

23. Some were. Not all.

[SusanCalvin]

143. I can confirm, especially early on, that many were quite reasonable.

[bvf]

25. You're being too kind.

No, seriously.

[melman]

24. Flash forward a day or two

"I said I wouldn't be unreasonably critical. This is isn't unreasonable".

[bravenak]

26. I know how to calm the hell down.

Watch me. It's easy.

[Hekate]

107. Don't let yourself be goaded. You're doing well.

[Android3.14]

28. "I will no longer write any ops that are unreasonably critical"

At least you admit the ones you wrote before were unreasonable.

Funny thing is people aren't that upset about this awful primary season in which we had an excellent prospect for a nominee in Bernie Sanders. They seem mostly upset at the impending loss in the general election to the GOP when we could have made some real progress to begin fighting the disasters looming over our planet.

Get ready for TTP, more fracking, more wars, more incarceration, more racism, a worsening economy, higher costs for education, and generally worse situation for everyone courtesy of folks like you and your posts that you admit lacked reason.

[DonCoquixote]

35. ok, that was cheap

Bravenak came to clam down the acid and flames that all sides have shown. Do people forget the way she was harassed via snailmail. I would also be careful of the term "folks like you" because sadly, while not all the Bernie folks acted in a rude and patronizing manner to black people, many DID, trotting forth stuff like "Stockholm Syndrome" and Cornell West's whole demonization of Obama. I will admit I like Sander's idea better than Hillary's, but if he ran the country the way he ran his campaign, then I would not expect good results.

News Flash: Many of us whose skins run from brown to black are really getting tired of beign patronized and yelled at by a bunch of people who claim to be working in our best interests. Trump is a racist idiot who has been what he was for the past 20 years, what is the excuse of the Bernie supporters that brought out their worst demons and then did the equivalent of "Now look what you made me do!"

[Android3.14]

45. Believe what you want

As you said, talk is cheap.

Racism runs deep in some of our so-called victims.

[DonCoquixote]

103. "so called Victims"?

Gee, I suppose the dozen or so people that got shot by cops are so called?

And you have the nerve to wonder why Bernie lost.

[Android3.14]

158. Don't be obtuse

[Happyhippychick]

29. Classy and mature

That is all

[bigwillq]

30. Probably the best option since Bernie has little shot at nomination

OPs should be about building Hillary up and dragging Donald Dump down.

It's amazing how many negative posts there are about Bernie, a man who has little shot at nomination. Folks sure do like to talk about him!

Better time and energy would be spent on building up Hillary, imo.

[Autumn]

31. I am making a resolution also

I promise I won't pretend to support Hillary so I can trash Bernie.

[ismnotwasm]

122. Lovely.

[Autumn]

182. Yes, it certainly was lovely.

[frylock]

223. Lovey.

[LexVegas]

32. The primary is over. Has been since March. nt

[HumanityExperiment]

33. 'I understand that people are feeling angry or upset with the changes coming up'...

No you don't...

You're part of the problem here in DU, this 'post' is a joke and not to be taken seriously

Try again and next time try a lot harder or don't... but in the end most won't forgive nor forget

Just because Trump is 'The more I watch him, the sicker he makes me feel' doesn't make HRC a better candidate, her unfavorables are still historically high and until you address that your post doesn't change that

[MoonRiver]

36. 14 days and counting

until none of us have to make pledges for unity.

[angrychair]

37. no more recommending OPs with Neo-Nazi websites?

No more recommending OPs with neo-Nazi, holocaust denial websites like the old days:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251941346

No one needs to go to a Nazi hate-site to tell them what Nazis think of people of Jewish heritage.
That you want to argue for or treat so dismissively that posting and/or recommending OPs that use websites like that is legitimate or fair is very disturbing...no it is not the same as right-wing sites like free beacon. If you think that than that is just as disturbing.

I am sure you all will miss those days....

[Sheepshank]

68. Nothing, absolutely nothing can be as heinous as this BSer post

....that permitted to stand, by the most crooked of bs juries.

On second thought I take that big FUCK YOU back. I wouldn't fuck you even with someone else's dog's cock. You have proven yourself to be utterly and irretrievably morally repugnant. You have stooped to depths that are lower than whale shit in the fucking Marianas trench. There's a lot of pressure down there for anyone with a shred of fucking decency but once your balls are shriveled to the obvious pinhead size it affects the brain and there's little left than to attempt to smear the shit on the walls when it didn't stick whilst you were flinging it.

So try and bring up one poor choice/past, where the poster had apologized profusely, and compare it to another where the poster has not made any efforts to apologize, well your burning the olive branch truly and totally sucks.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110730422#post39

[angrychair]

120. See, you have exposed the actual issue

1) the OP writer and those that recommended it have not been in any way, shape or form apologetic about that OP. In fact, if nothing else, they have vigorously defended it, made excuses for it and supported it. Not one person, including the OP author, I have challenged about has apologized for it but has vigorously defended it, just as you are doing now. That OP is still viewable since it went up 6 months ago. If the OP author were truly apologetic than they would self-delete but have chosen not to do that.

2) That OP you quoted is disgusting and bizarre. What is more important and very disturbing though is that you see that post and an OP using a Neo-Nazi, Holocaust-denying hate site to smear a Democratic candidate of Jewish heritage as equivalent. The OP you quoted is rude, nasty and childish. What it doesn't do is attack a Democratic candidate of Jewish heritage and deny that his family and 6 million other human beings were murdered in concentration camps. There is zero redeeming value in the opinion and conspiracy theories of a Nazi website.

3) I find it very telling that the actual person I was posting to fails to offer up an opinion or apology for it. It is also possible to remove a recommendation to an OP, even months later. The person I was actually posting to has also not done so and therefore one can only assume continues to agree with using Neo-Nazi sources to attack people.

[ismnotwasm]

124. There is zero value redeeming value in the opinion and conspiracy theories of a Nazi website

Also, Right wing sources, ridiculous conspiracy sites, or even mouthings, websites where it's ok to call Hillary a c***, because Hillary, I agree.

Maybe a plethora of apologies all around are in order. Who goes first?

[angrychair]

129. Again, the real issue with many here is exposed

That OP you quoted is disgusting and bizarre. What is more important and very disturbing though is that you see that post (your post in this case) and an OP using a Neo-Nazi, Holocaust-denying hate site to smear a Democratic candidate of Jewish heritage as equivalent. The OP you quoted is rude, nasty and childish. What it doesn't do is attack a Democratic candidate of Jewish heritage and deny that his family and 6 million other human beings were murdered in concentration camps. There is zero redeeming value in the opinion and conspiracy theories of a Nazi website.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

184. Egads. That should be on a porno site....

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. I will not forget or forgive your hate

As to who or what or whether I vote for is my business. Suffice it to say the D side had gone so far right Reagan would be at home. And people who do not understand this well, just don't invoke FDR because I expect Social Security to be on the table.

Oh but I will never forgive you or forget about it. Ever.

And yes I am going to blame your party, and you, for the Weimar level republic error, which is kind of ironic. Nor do I believe any of you ever care about well, policy. Have a good day.

And as another poster said, no more links to neonazi sites? I hope?

And I will watch as both parties continue to fracture

[PeaceNikki]

40. Wow. You really have some nerve calling others bullies.

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. Wow, you want to alert again

You and I have a history. Believe it not nothing close to her hate or what she did. You are a peach compared to this poster. And yes, she did link to neonazi sites.

But you and her are not my allies. If we actually end up in an actual war, do not jump into my fox hole.

[PeaceNikki]

48. That wasn't my alert that got you the hide for your hateful words against me yesterday.

And locked out of your own thread.

[nadinbrzezinski]

54. It is not hate... I was telling you exactly how I feel about you

I don't know you, but i am sure sorry I spent the energy worrying about you. And if I were in WI tomorrow, I do not want to meet you either, which I did in 2011. I considered you a friend, and I have no idea, not do I care to find out what happened to that sweet person who at the time I believed was for social and economic justice, and pro union. Thank you for disavowing me of that. At one point you also started being the nitpicker in chiefl, well that is zappa's and Sid's job. I really do not know, but that is where stand.


As to the OP, she has done a lot more than you have done. She is part of the problem. You are a non entity, she is far more than that. She has a reputation, and a terrible one... and no way I would ever worry about her, or want her near me.

That said, I guess the unity memo went out. Well, there is no unity from me. Who I vote for, rather pretend to, or whether I vote for, is none of your business. That speaks to the issue of how sick this pretend democracy is. But since you are interested in personalities and not in policy, I don't expect you to get that either.

I have also noticed that the harassment has gone off the scale. Speaks well about DU, not, but it is to be expected, It is the DU modus operandi, and a protected group can do whatever they want. And by the way, thanks to people LIKE YOU, I know fully have an utter contempt for partisans in both parties. You are why the country is where it is.

[PeaceNikki]

57. They were hateful words. You don't say "I could not care less if you live or die" and not be hateful

You think a virtual raspberry blow is bullying and then you replied to me with the hidden post basically wishing for harm or death upon me?

That was morbidly nasty, nadin. I may rib you about your grammar and spelling because I think if you worked on those things it would literally help you as a reporter. I realize now that my other reply of "I am not now, nor will I ever be, worried about you." may have come across as a general statement about you as a person. And for that, I am sorry. It was specifically in context of the Clinton scandal. I deleted it because of the fact I did not mean it like that.

I would never ever wish or hope harm upon you and I would absolutely be concerned, worried and upset if anything ever happened to you... even in spite of such a nasty reply. I have never said anything even close to as hurtful or hateful to you. That was a completely over-the-top response as are several in this thread and I suggest that you reflect deeply on whether that is really the person you aspire to be.

[nadinbrzezinski]

62. Given the hate levied at me (off site)

no I really do not care. I know a good group here, would prefer if I went away, or better yet died. And some have expressed that to me in that exact way off DU. They know who they are. Nor do I care for them either. Nor do I hate them. I just don't care what happens to them.

And I am not hoping something happens to you. I just not going to spend the energy caring. If you think that is hate. well there is this moat, kind of ocean divide on semantics. I know I don't hate you. I just not going to spend the energy worrying about you. If you think that is hate. I can't do a thing about it. But I am not going to apologize for not wasting my time anymore worrying about you, or for that matter, caring about what you think. But hate, why would I hate somebody I personally do not know. Hell there are few people I personally know that have done a few despicable things and I do not hate them either. That is a strong word that gets bandied around.

Like when people here go you hate HRC? I disagree with her on policy, and the disagreement is not mild, it is a chasm. But hate her? I don't know the woman from shinola. And I suspect I would not be allowed even to stand on the other of the street. (There are valid reasons for the Secret Service to have those protectee zones by the way) Nor do I love any politician, THat ended for me in 2008. Really, I have only fallen in love once. And after 2011, no more. So they are pols, they do what they do, some are more slimey than others, That is what pols do. I cover them. I know what they do.

I was told by a friend, yes I consider many of my colleagues to be more friends than people here. they are also people i know in the flesh. that when you start actually following sausage making and covering policy, you become way too cyniucal about this. I have.

And if you think I am going to waste one more second on this, you are wrong. We are pretty much done. But so it sinks in, I don't hate you. Nor would I go out of my way to bully you.

[PeaceNikki]

64. None of that was me so stop implying it was.

And using it for your hateful words with me.

[nadinbrzezinski]

67. Semantic chasm

stop following, I sugest you use the ignore button.

I do not know how many ways to Sunday you need to be told "I DON'T HATE YOU."

So at this point it is on you whether you get it or not. And I really do not care if you do. I suggest though, that if you think that, you stop interacting with me, I highly suggest you use the ignore button.

[PeaceNikki]

78. I don't care if you hate me, I request you stop using hateful words with me and others.

As I stated in the start of this subthread, you have absolutely no right to cry bully when you speak to people the way that you do.

I suggest that you reflect deeply on whether that is really the person you aspire to be.

[nadinbrzezinski]

80. I request you *stop telling me how to express how I feel;*

I will not stop expressing MY FUCKING FEELINGS, GOT IT? GOOD! What you are doing is gaslighting, CONGRATS... and that is quite despicable

Here, a definition

Gaslighting or gas-lighting is a form of mental abuse in which a victim is manipulated into doubting their own memory, perception, and sanity.[1][2] Instances may range from the denial by an abuser that previous abusive incidents ever occurred, up to the staging of bizarre events by the abuser with the intention of disorienting the victim.

If you cannot accept that, put me on ignore, PRONTO..

As to the OP, many of us have reasons why we could hate her. I don't hate her. I don't despise her, but she is not my ally, I do not make nice nice with people who link to neo nazi sites and do what she did.

[PeaceNikki]

83. I kindly request you stop using hateful words discussing harm and death of DUers.

[nadinbrzezinski]

84. I request you stop gaslighting

and if after this was explained to you, you think what you think, that is your issue.

Nor did I state either harm or death of people I do not know,

Now please proceed with more psychological abuse, because you have crossed into that now. Should be clear by now that it is not working and it is quite despicable. I highly suggest you use the ignore feature if you cannot behave and stop the psychological abuse known as gaslighting.

[PeaceNikki]

90. Get a grip, nadine. Reread my posts. I am calling for civility.

no more, no less.

[nadinbrzezinski]

91. And I am asking you to stop pretending that you can tell me how I feel

put me on ignore if you cannot stand my feelings. Stop pretending you can do that. You can't

[PeaceNikki]

98. Never did. Now who is "gaslighting"?

[nadinbrzezinski]

99. I am not

please stop telling me to stop expressing my feelings.

Civility my ass. But I suggest you put me on ignore.

I prefer to be open and let people know exactly how I feel, it is part of that really open policy I got. Sorry if that bothers you.

[PeaceNikki]

100. Yes, civility. I apologized above and indicated I care about you as a human being.

[nadinbrzezinski]

101. Please proceed to have the last word

[PeaceNikki]

102. Peace.

[zappaman]

179. Best last word ever!

[Major Nikon]

209. Results...

On Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:31 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Wow, you want to alert again
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2107932

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Poster has done nothing but launch personal attacks in this thread, first on the OP and now on this poster. And then accuses OTHER people of being "bullies."

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:33 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Can we all get along?
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[nadinbrzezinski]

210. They will try hard I know

[betsuni]

44. YES. That's for sure.

[VulgarPoet]

43. +1.

I've never known a racist to change their stripes, especially not an anti-Semite.

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. I have, but after something really really live changing

The problem is that they don't get much trust from anybody. The OP has a hell of a rep. And personally she did things with some of her friends that cannot be forgiven, ever. No they did not do it here, because they should have been censured. But doubting my own personal story, or that of more of a few others is very, very, very low.

So if HRC manages to get elected, can't wait for the great betrayal. Though I do not expect these people to even admit it.

[VulgarPoet]

49. What's sad is I didn't even find out about it here or on DKos. I don't have an account there.

I was browsing the latest on FSTDT. And was fucking floored because up till that point, they were one of the people I respected the most in the AA forum. Now, I don't even bother.

[nadinbrzezinski]

51. The AA forum is amusing

I posted yesterday a story on school resegregation, GAO report, and like every real policy issue, they give two fucks. They remind me of latte liberals to use an old descriptor, very much so. Given it has accelerated under the present POTUS I guess it would lead to cognitive dissonance.

And this is a constant with these folks.

And here is the piece

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027873651

[betsuni]

55. WTF

[nadinbrzezinski]

56. I am not the only one thinking that

but if I want to be entertained I go read it.

[betsuni]

61. You posted something in General Discussion.

What does that have to do with the AA group?

[nadinbrzezinski]

63. Of course you missed it was part of a conversation I was having with another poster

You want that quoted to you? Or would you like to read all about it above my post?

For the most part, that is ignored... But what I said, that you guys do not care about policy or the resegregation of American schools, is who I feel. OTOH the Urban League does. And I applaud them for it.

[betsuni]

87. You said you posted an article in GD on school segregation and the AA group couldn't

"give two fucks." GD is not the AA group. And now I must take my vitamins and get some sleep if I'm expected to give two fucks tomorrow.

[nadinbrzezinski]

94. YOu need to learn to read

I posted that on GD, like many other articles, and you locked me out becuase you think I am a racist, which unlike the OP I am not, She is the one who linked to neo nazi sites, not me. Nor would I ever do that, except of a Dylan Roof story, where it was more than relevant, since not just me looked at a certain site for reactions. Reporters do that.

Of course I cover poverty, race and other issues, but I do policy.


Now I know you are looking hard for a hide, you won't get it. have an excellent day. (And the OP will get no fucking unity from me, though the memo must have gone out)

[betsuni]

95. Yikes! *slowly walks backwards out of the room, closes the door, runs like hell*

[bettyellen]

88. That was not posted in the AA group? But slime them for ignoring it- if it makes you feel better.

[nadinbrzezinski]

92. You have no idea

so stay out of it

[bettyellen]

96. If so, it's because you failed to make yourself clear... Do you really expect the members of the AA

Group to find every thread in GD that pertains to AAs and rec or comment? Why are you bent out of shape they missed it? If you cared for them to see it why wouldn't you post it there?

[nadinbrzezinski]

97. Nope, it is standard

and it is IMHO quite telling.

For the record, so you know, policy is not what most DU'ers grock anyway. It matters not what subject matter.

[zappaman]

131. Maybe you should post in the AA group.

Oh wait, you were banned for the nasty shit you said.
Never mind.

[nadinbrzezinski]

132. LMAO

[zappaman]

133. For once we agree!

You being thrown out of the AA group is pretty funny!

[nadinbrzezinski]

134. HILARIOUS

You have nothing to add like ever.

No really, but not for the reasons you think

[Number23]

191. I swear I have never loved a subthread as much as this one.

In the process of trying to burn everybody else down, some folks just can't HELP but somehow, put the blow torches on their own behinds.

I... just. I can't take it.

[zappaman]

207. Right?

Hoisted on their own petard is a phrase that comes to mind...

[ecstatic]

186. "like every real policy issue, they give two fucks"

Did it ever occur to you that the findings of that report aren't at all surprising? If you posted about a study that found that water is wet, that would get crickets as well.

But by all means, continue to wallow in bitterness.

[nadinbrzezinski]

188. To me it is proof in pudding

not bitterness.



Has it ever occurred to you that this primary was very revealing? And I do not mean that in a good way.

[SusanCalvin]

144. Please, what is FSTDT? nt

[PeaceNikki]

147. Fundies Say the Darndest Things

[SusanCalvin]

148. Thanks. The things you find on teh intertubes.....!

I didn't see anything awful (that was related to this thread), the toe I dipped in.

[VulgarPoet]

211. "Fundies say the darnedest things".

Essentially, it started as a forum for the religious absolute wingnuttery that existed on the internet-- the likes of David J. Stewart, the asshats who ran Hepzibah House, et cetera-- and then it bloomed outwards, encompassing crazy Zionist conspiracy theories like trying to call down some weird spider-goat-man-god thing, and the one that REALLY caused me to lose my faith in humanity-- "Racists say the damnedest things".

Funny enough, the quote in question was misfiled is the only reason I saw it-- it should have been in RSTDT, not FSTDT...

[Sheepshank]

86. If assume you forgave the BSer that provided this "lovely" hate spewage?

On second thought I take that big FUCK YOU back. I wouldn't fuck you even with someone else's dog's cock. You have proven yourself to be utterly and irretrievably morally repugnant. You have stooped to depths that are lower than whale shit in the fucking Marianas trench. There's a lot of pressure down there for anyone with a shred of fucking decency but once your balls are shriveled to the obvious pinhead size it affects the brain and there's little left than to attempt to smear the shit on the walls when it didn't stick whilst you were flinging it.

People make mistakes and some are big enough to apologize. How very small and unprogressive of you to slap away an olive branch from one person who has apologized, and yet give a pass to another simply because of the candidate they support.

[nadinbrzezinski]

89. YOu are assuming much

given the psychological abuse I have been subjected here why should I defend that? Pray tell me.

But the person you are defending engaged in some really despicable behavior, some here, most of it off site, and it was very, very, very bad, not unlike that lovely person. I do not consider either an ally. Clear enough for you?

I am not going to forget or forgive her.

[ancianita]

104. With all due respect, it's more for you and lightening your spirit that you do. Really.

Give all this rancor time to subside.

Life is too big and long to hold onto any emotional mess in a big tent party.

It's just one bunch of folks riled over somebodies to lead them among the 170+ groupings of people on this huge planet.

[nadinbrzezinski]

108. With all due respect

you have no idea... some of us have really good reasons to never consider that OP a person we like, or respect. Nor will we either forgive her or forget it.

As to the party, they might unify or not. It is not my business. It is not my party. That stopped being the case in 2011. I am watching two national parties that are splintering for very good reasons. Historians will have a lot to chew on when the process is complete.

[ancianita]

109. Then I hope you're among those historians.

[nadinbrzezinski]

110. Oh I am taking notes

Nevada was the obvious moment the crack surfaced. It's been there for the dems, sub-rosa for a while.

[GulfCoast66]

196. Wow

I know nothing of the history here and am a rare member who likes both candidates so do not really care that much. I am voting Dem.

But you post concerns me. If you feel you are being psychologically abused here you really need to log off and give websites a rest.

And earlier you expressed real grievances against another poster even taking the thoughts out of here into the real world.

Remember, this site means nothing and influences less. We are just here to BS and debate. I am concerned that you may be internalizing things a little bit.

Just my 2 cents. Do as you will, but there are still folks in the world who are actually concerned with others.

Take care.

[nadinbrzezinski]

197. I do not let bullies

or in this case far worst than that, win

[nadinbrzezinski]

198. Oh and one last thing

Cyber bullying is real, and well as cyber Harassment. Once you figure what motivate the bully, they are easy not to let them get to you, but they actually become comedic. But in this case. as others have noted. there is more than just that, as despicable as that can be. Oh and lastly ignoring fully the bully does not work. You need to confront them.

And the OP is not my ally... not my friend, not one bit.

[GulfCoast66]

199. Whatever man

Keep on trying to win. Buy cyber bullying on a website you choose to join? Hell, just log off. It is different for school kids stuck in a forced environment.

And you know you can never 'win' online, right. Once they are under your skin they will just keep on.

Again, I have no animus toward you. Your posts just struck me as exceptionally angry.

[nadinbrzezinski]

201. I have been hear for since the begining

why should I leave?

[GulfCoast66]

202. Never mind

I was just taken back by the vitriol on a few of your post. It may be well justified. I guess we all look for different things online.

Have a nice evening.

[nadinbrzezinski]

203. Right now watcing the Trump rally in San Jose go off the rails

[GulfCoast66]

204. Really?

In what way? After his performance yesterday I am starting to think he subconsciously is trying to throw it. Because his ego would never allow him to admit he cannot do it.

It there violence or is he going even more radical?

[nadinbrzezinski]

205. We are actually press, and covered the rally here in San Diego

and whenever he ends, things get out of control Tim Poole is doing it right now on periscope. Cops are moving in

https://reportingsandiego.com/2016/06/02/trump-sdpd-and-communities-of-color/

https://reportingsandiego.com/2016/05/28/thousands-protest-at-the-trump-rally-in-san-diego/

San Jose is actually more ampted up than it was in San Diego, and this is happening, they are getting more and more ampted up.

[Hekate]

114. I just read thru this subthread thread, n. You yourself need to chill out in a big way.

That is all.

[nadinbrzezinski]

117. As I said, will not forgive or forget

[VulgarPoet]

119. Nor should you.

Given enough time and reason to actually believe someone, I'm inclined to forgive a LOT of things. I blame the last inklings of the trusting nature that I used to have. But racism, ESPECIALLY anti-Semitism, that's something that no amount of time, no amount of reason, and no amount of so-called olive branches will convince me to forgive someone.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

185. "Your" party? What is your party??

[nadinbrzezinski]

187. I have said since 2011 that I am one of those dreaded independent voters

Your party left me. And as media it is best as well.

[ieoeja]

220. You are not the only one. And I still expect a big reveal from her when Trump wins. n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

221. ...

Can I take the 5th?

[ieoeja]

222. It's Friday!

Feel free to have a fifth of whatever your brand is!

[VulgarPoet]

225. Tito's Handmade, here.

Preferably damn near frozen. Maybe it'll get me through the rest of this travesty of an election cycle.

[PeaceNikki]

41. You're a good egg, bravenak. It can be difficult to be the grown-up, but you got this.

Don't let those who antagonize get to you.

[PufPuf23]

47. Why should any poster at DU expect you to act honestly or in good faith? eom

[stonecutter357]

52. I proudly stand with bravenak.

[William769]

58. Well said bravenak.

We know who the enemy is. For those who don't? Well then it's not their enemy.

[angrychair]

128. Yes, we know who the "enemy" is

You and most Clinton supporters have made it very clear over the last several months.

[Kentonio]

59. Gosh it must almost be that time when our votes matter again.

[Betty Karlson]

60. IF Clinton clinches the nomination (which I hope she won't)

I'll do my bit and write about other candidates I support. But I do remember what you wrote about Sanders, and worse: what you wrote about his supporters. So I won't be "coming together" with your side. Stretch that tent, or lose my kind.

[Bluenorthwest]

65. Words are cheap and easy things.

Memory is a very important device in politics.

[Prism]

66. Well, sometimes we say things in anger

I mean, just the other day, I was cut off in traffic. So I immediately ran to Barnes and Noble and picked up a copy of Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

You know, like people do.

[Bluenorthwest]

70. Well you were miffed, so what else would you do?

nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

77. That is why they ran out of copies

now I can blame you

[QC]

93. Who among us hasn't done that?

Please, let's try to be more understanding.

[VulgarPoet]

115. Ffffsssssss.

So that was you who nabbed the last one-- I had to make do with Mein Kampf. Y'know, like rational folk.

[Capt. Obvious]

145. Totally understandable

Next time you feel the need to do that just write a threatening letter to yourself. It's cathartic.

[frylock]

224. ..

[AlbertCat]

164. No need to go that far!

Just go on the interwebs

There you can do things like say you are rooting for one candidate when you really are for the other.... even tho' you're not. It's kinda like cutting people off in traffic.

Anyway.... revenge for all injustices is what's important.

[frylock]

85. Kicking for the lulz

Nobody is buying this bullshit.

[Hekate]

106. Heya, bravenak. Trump is scaring my FOX-watching BIL with his talk about rounding people up

BIL is getting one helluva bad vibe off that, and I practically spit my coffee out my nose when DH told me his youngest brother is going to vote for Hillary. I apologize for underestimating the guy.

There are conservatives out there who are not crazy, and who can be persuaded. Our two candidates are SANE.

[Vinca]

112. No offense, but I'll believe it when I see it.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

113. You really let your Freak Flag fly --

over on The Political Pub at HillaryClintonSupporters.com

We saw that.

We are not going to pretend that didn't happen and we will NEVER forget.

[haikugal]

181. Exactly!!!

[Peacetrain]

118. bravenak...bravo!

I could not agree more..just one word of warning.. some will try to pull you back into that ongoing never ending battle.. because they have grudges themselves to settle and they want you to be the foil.. if you get my drift..

Trump is the thing we need to focus on..he will say things 180 degrees opposite in a matter of minutes .. in the same interview.. he has not boundaries..

[AlbertCat]

190. bravenak...bravo!

Yes...

Bravo for admitting your criticisms are irrational.

[ismnotwasm]

125. I love Bravenek

If you think she is the only, or even the most prominent source for the perception that Sanders is..slightly insensitive.. to certain social justice issues, I personally would surmise a need to broaden your information base.

[Starry Messenger]

126. I'm trying to tone down the snark today, though it is tough with CA coming up.

I hate seeing weird posts about what is going on in CA, when I live here.

[sheshe2]

130. Hey, bravenak.

Stopping by to give you a ~

[coyote]

135. Your credibility is toast.

I am surprised you still use your username.

[Blue_Tires]

140. Yeah, it's about time I started being on my best Sunday behavior

but after I clear out my ignore list and get my pound of flesh from a few specific posters... I tend to have a LONG memory about this stuff...

[AgingAmerican]

149. And pigs can fly

[AgingAmerican]

159. I don't believe you

Especially after reading your OP on that Neo Nazi site.

[Rex]

161. I'm wonder if the site owners will show mercy to the repeat offenders that always disrupt this place

I hope not.

[bravenak]

162. It seems like they are giving everyone a chance to cut it out

Anybody who can't? I guess we'll see how it goes.

[Rex]

163. Agree 100%.

Gonna be an interesting day.

[QC]

171. They always have so far,

but I remain cautiously optimistic.

[Logical]

165. Nicest Hillary supporter post this year! Rec!

[brer cat]

166. Thank you, bravenak!

K&R

[Gore1FL]

183. At least you admit they were unreasonable.

But don't expect accolades for simply being decent.

[Number23]

192. This thread is like diamonds. The folks whose opinions you probably give less than a shit about are

the main ones screaming they'll never forgive you and the folks with anything to offer here are the ones thanking and applauding you.

Precious. And entirely predictable.

[bravenak]

193. I think I must have too many of them on ignore, but I can guess some names

[AlbertCat]

200. This thread is like diamonds.

Yes! Reminding people of rank hypocrisy and BS is always very valuable.

[Number23]

208. And no one knows "rank hypocracy and BS" better than you guys

Masterfully done!

And the whining you guys do is top notch too!

[AlbertCat]

214. And no one knows "rank hypocracy and BS" better than you guys

We see it from posters with hides in the teens all the time.

And in posts like # 208 all the time.

[Number23]

231. And especially from posters that are blocked from posting in forums. Especially from ones that

represent the groups that are the very FOUNDATION of the Democratic Party.

[Capt. Obvious]

213. LOL

[geek tragedy]

215. After June 7, I think it's a good idea for Clinton supporters to just do their

best to forget he exists.

[bravenak]

226. Yep

[geek tragedy]

227. trash can feature in account settings is a blessing nt

[bravenak]

228. I had put killer mike in there. Best move ever

[geek tragedy]

229. lol, appropriate, that nt