"Presumptive" versus "official" nominee.

[YouDig]

There won't be an official nominee until the convention. This is true for Democrats and for Republicans. Trump is not the official Republican nominee yet.

There will be a presumptive Democratic nominee on Tuesday. We get a presumptive nominee when one candidate, in this case Hillary, clinches a majority of delegates through a combination of pledged delegates and superdelegate commitments.

One's there's a presumptive nominee, for practical purposes, the primary is over. It's true, something weird could happen so that either Trump doesn't end up being the GOP nominee or Hillary doesn't end up being the Dem nominee. They could get struck by lightning. Or maybe it will be revealed that Hillary and Bernie are jointly operating a heroin ring. That would mean a chaotic convention.

But in real life, once someone secures the majority of delegates, they are the party's nominee. Even though technically pledged or superdelegates can switch sides, that's not going to happen. And there won't be a lightning strike either.

[grossproffit]

1. "Or maybe it will be revealed that Hillary and Bernie are jointly operating a heroin ring."

Thank you for the much needed laugh.

[moriah]

3. Agreed.

[k8conant]

30. Or maybe Hillary is a gyroid robot and the Donald is an android robot?

[beachbum bob]

2. 100% correct

its one and the same

game will be officially over tuesday at 9pm

[moriah]

4. Hope Washington, DC can somehow get statehood.

I don't think our Founding Fathers intended for the District of Columbia to ever have so high a residential population, or they would have made different rules.

[YouDig]

5. Definitely DC needs statehood. Or at least become part of Maryland or VA.

[Surya Gayatri]

11. It's long past time. DC has a bigger population than RI or even DE.

[CorporatistNation]

6. YOUR Assertion, Given The "Current Circumstances" W/ Hillary Is LAUGHABLE... She Has MUCH Ahead...

to contend with... LEGALLY AND PERCEPTUALLY... w/o question... All of her own accord... e.g.,

e.g., MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...

Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...

Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"

Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"

Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!

[YouDig]

7. It's the truth yo. Mika Brezinski gets one vote, same as everyone else. And she already

voted, she lives in New York, which Hillary won in a landslide. What she says on TV doesn't change the delegate math.

[beachbum bob]

9. so what...

I'll take a hillary over a trump any day of the week....and sanders is just a plain disaster...burned thru $200 million and still lose BIG....hell...his campaign so incompetent they didn't know how to google state primary rules so instead of just accepting their own malfeasance they sued everybody.... put its all been rigged....all to cover how they weren't even smart enough to google each states rules...bernie hire incompetent staff...wasted $200 million to lose


thank god we saved america from this level of incompetence

[Surya Gayatri]

8. What is it about the definition of this word that they cannot grasp?

presumptive

adjective pre·sump·tive -ˈzəm(p)-tiv

Definition of presumptive

1
: based on probability or presumption <the presumptive nominee>

2
: giving grounds for reasonable opinion or belief

3
: being an embryonic precursor with the potential for forming a particular structure or tissue in the normal course of development

[beachbum bob]

10. the premise sanders LOST

[Surya Gayatri]

12. Exactly...first they have to get their brains around this:

lose verb, ˈlüz

Simple Definition of lose

: to be unable to find (something or someone)

: to fail to win (a game, contest, etc.)

: to fail to keep or hold (something wanted or valued)

[beachbum bob]

14. zealots don't think the way the rest of us do

rightwing and leftwing zealots share much more in common

[Surya Gayatri]

16. Indeed, they share the same mental organization and a Manichean view of the world.

[beachbum bob]

21. the pyscholgy isn't to odifficult to figure out

.....boils down to "my way or the highway"

[workinclasszero]

17. Ah...there's the sticking point

Bernie LOST.

The revolution is a fail.

Once people got to know Bernie and his plans they rejected them and went with Hillary.

Berners can't seem to process that information, starting with Bernie Sanders himself down to the reddit troll living in mom's basement slamming hot pockets and dreaming of riots at the democratic convention where "the people" will Bern it down to the ground.

Maybe they will come around eventually. Or not.

Maybe they will start a new religion, who knows?

[RoccoR5955]

19. The revolution has just started.

Although we may lose some of the battles, the war against oligarchy is far from over!
Neither Clinton, nor Drumpf will help the revolution, as they are part of the oligarchy.

[workinclasszero]

22. Well the proof of that will be off year elections

If the "revolution" shows up at the voting booth in massive numbers when its not a presidential election year, Ill believe its real and not a lot of hot air.

I highly doubt they will seeing as how they mostly haven't shown up for Bernie this year, but we will see.

[RoccoR5955]

25. Wait and see.

We HAVE been organizing, whether you like it, know it, or not!

[workinclasszero]

26. Prove it in two years

and I'll believe it.

[RoccoR5955]

28. Like I said, wait and see.

WE HAVE BEEN ORGANIZING!
You can take that to the bank. Some of our candidates will be elected THIS YEAR as well. We are stronger than the third wayers.

[Mike__M]

31. Odd how about half of Democrats

are completely fine with the Reagan Revolution, and have no desire to turn it around.

[Wilms]

15. What is it about the definition of this word that they cannot grasp?

presumptuous

adjective

1. full of, characterized by, or showing presumption or readiness to presume in conduct or thought, as by saying or doing something without right or permission.

2. unwarrantedly or impertinently bold; forward.

3. Obsolete. presumptive.

[Surya Gayatri]

18. Nice word play, but NO win. Sorry, the operative word is indeed

presumptive, much as it must pain you.

[moriah]

20. When Hillary gets past 2026 pledged delegates late Tuesday/early Wednesday...

... the one who would be presumptuous to believe they should have the nomination would be Bernie, not Hillary.

4051 was magic pledged delegate number. If Bernie is going to talk down about Superdelegates, expecting them to overturn rhe will of the people just because he didn't win isn't just presumptuous, but hypocritical.

[NurseJackie]

13. See now? There's your problem! You're relying on facts ...

... and logic, and reality.

[FSogol]

24. I love that picture.

[frylock]

23. "Criminal investigation" versus "security review"

[highprincipleswork]

27. So, in your world, presumptive nominees can't be indicted or if they are they can't or shouldn't be

replaced.

Such a cozy little world.

Does it sound like 'OLIGARCHY"?

That was a little Church Lady impression there.

[Waiting For Everyman]

29. They why do we use the term "President Elect"?

Why not just call a new Presidnt-to-be, "Mr. President" right after the election?

Because things are official when they become official, and not before.