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Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:20 PM Jun 2016

This Article Nails It: Bernie is about to give Democrats their 'come to Jesus' moment

Last edited Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:12 PM - Edit history (3)

Update for those of you who are confused: Come to Jesus Moment:

An epiphany in which one realizes the truth of a matter; a sudden, intuitive perception of or insight into the reality or essential meaning of something; coming clean and admitting failures; realizing the true weight or impact of a negative situation or fact; acknowledgment that one must get back to core values; moment of realization; an aha moment; moment of decision; moment of truth; critical moment; moment of reassessment of priorities; turning point; life-changing moment.


...It started with Democratic voters in 2008; so disheartened and angered by eight years of war, recklessness, and social-Darwinism-masked-as-economic-policy, they delivered Barack Obama the White House on the belief he'd usher in a new era of capital Progressivism.

Disenchanted with Obama and 30 years of trickle-down economics and corporate America's purchase of Washington, D.C., Occupy Wall Street spread in the heart of the corruption only to ultimately fizzle.

And then there was Bernie Sanders.

For all the punditry about the Vermont Senator's historic rise (or lack thereof), a simple truth has been missing. Quite the contrary from some radical, "pie in the sky" revolutionary, Sanders is actually an FDR Democrat.

And the Democratic Party and establishment, who beginning in the 1970's decided to begin a pivot away from the working class and New Deal era in favor or wealthier suburbanites and corporatists, has fought Sanders every step of the way.

Sure, party leaders and lawmakers have delivered good lip service. Hillary Clinton—whose big-money donors from Wall Street, corporate America, K Street, and other special interests have served as her political oxygen throughout her career—lauded Sanders for challenging the Party on unaccountable money.

But she, and the Democratic establishment backing her, don't mean a damn word of it. No objective person can suggest Democrats haven't looked the other way as inequality exploded.

From the Clintons to Chuck Schumer to Harry Reid and other corporate Democrats—who love uttering the words middle class before heading to fundraisers with the same folks who've decimated it—the bottom line is clear.

When party leaders, even President Obama, talk about "pragmatism" and "incremental change," they're using code words; ones that rationalize the revolving door between corporate America, Wall Street, K Street, and Washington, D.C.—the one they've been complicit in swinging wide open.

But that sales pitch has been rejected by the voters the party needs to survive into the future—millennials, young African Americans and Latinos, and the working class. And from the hundreds I've met and interviewed on the campaign trail, they are for Sanders and don't give a damn about Democratic Party unity.

After all, what has it done for them? Most are mired in a dark cloud of student loan debt, low-income jobs (if they can even get that), and living paycheck-to-paycheck. They know the same pragmatism the establishment props up has helped fuel the funneling of wealth to the top 1 percent over the last three decades.

Which leaves California as the climax of the decades-long evolution from the Party of the People to the Party of the Corporations. With a potential win, which recent polling indicates is possible, Bernie Sanders would've won the majority of the remaining states—including the biggest one in the country.

......Huddled in Philadelphia, the Democratic establishment will finally have its come-to-Jesus moment: stay married to corporate money or return to its first love—the American middle class.


http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/02/bernie-sanders-is-about-to-give-democrats-their-come-to-jesus-moment-commentary.html

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This Article Nails It: Bernie is about to give Democrats their 'come to Jesus' moment (Original Post) Skwmom Jun 2016 OP
others say he's an Eisenhower Republican: either way, there's one political dynasty that's MisterP Jun 2016 #1
There are none so blind as those who will not see... Skwmom Jun 2016 #2
or get money or whuffie from the gravy-train system MisterP Jun 2016 #3
One of my favorite quotes. Duval Jun 2016 #23
WRONG! That diatribe tries to ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2016 #4
Those statistics you cite are from a different time. There was no anti-establishment candidate cui bono Jun 2016 #8
There's no "anti-Establishment ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2016 #12
My apologies. I thought I was responding to a rational human being living in reality. cui bono Jun 2016 #18
Project much? ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2016 #19
... 2banon Jun 2016 #128
Never try to argue with a cultist--particularly a New Democrat "progressive". BillZBubb Jun 2016 #35
I saw a sig line yesterday, can't remembere whose. Fuddnik Jun 2016 #79
Mark Twain. JimDandy Jun 2016 #95
What a treasure! dchill Jun 2016 #103
good quote! 2banon Jun 2016 #129
The irony being his user name "ProgressiveEconomist." Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2016 #114
Where is the virtue in ignoring what Hortensis Jun 2016 #141
I've made that mistake here a few times myself Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #78
Lol! KPN Jun 2016 #120
And there you have it. "What are they going to do, vote for Trump?" TransitJohn Jun 2016 #42
Isn't that what Bill Clinton said sandyshoes17 Jun 2016 #53
Yes, that's been the " New Democrat" DLC, Third Way line going back to the mid-80's Beowulf Jun 2016 #72
I almost feel sad for them that they do not realize how many backs they are facing. n/t JimDandy Jun 2016 #96
And stabbing. dchill Jun 2016 #135
now, now, nothing wrong with getting screwed once in awhile, 2banon Jun 2016 #130
Bingo. rateyes Jun 2016 #55
Yep. Back on the plantation, you. Step lively! n/t Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #76
The ones I know personally will NOT vote for Hillary. djean111 Jun 2016 #54
I know I won't. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2016 #115
ProgressiveEconomist—Good point! Every election sees a shift of +0. CobaltBlue Jun 2016 #94
You just hide and watch notadmblnd Jun 2016 #102
So anyone in history who advocated a progressive change from the status quo ... Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2016 #113
You are absolutely right, which is the ONLY reason your post produced the shrieks that it did Number23 Jun 2016 #132
A career politician with 30 years in Congress isn't what I'd call anti-establishment. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #137
I've talked to voters in the group he is talking about and he is spot on. Skwmom Jun 2016 #21
Let's be charitable ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2016 #24
Who said that? What I said is I have spoken to (know) young African-Americans and Latinos and Skwmom Jun 2016 #27
"he is spot on" ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2016 #36
Apparently there are polls that show this passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #44
"Try google" to ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2016 #47
Yeah, I thought so passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #51
Why not google BEFORE ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2016 #59
what did I post twice? passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #64
Well, try the bible. I've heard it's in there. Fuddnik Jun 2016 #80
Here is one, but doubt it'll be enough ... ebayfool Jun 2016 #82
Thanks. passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #83
His campaign is still viable. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2016 #116
Apples and oranges. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #85
The author is referring to the current election, not 2008. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2016 #112
messiah complex from the get go nt msongs Jun 2016 #5
Yup Bernie the savior workinclasszero Jun 2016 #15
This is the dung that reveals the shallow nature of well, the status quo. libdem4life Jun 2016 #46
Probably misquoting ... Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2016 #117
Correct and right on. libdem4life Jun 2016 #126
Thank you! Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2016 #139
Messiah? Where have I heard that before? frylock Jun 2016 #20
Thank you for making this observation... saves me the trouble. SalviaBlue Jun 2016 #57
Do you understand what a come to jesus moment means? Skwmom Jun 2016 #22
Obama isn't running this year. That was the attack used on him. Did you forget or are jillan Jun 2016 #84
Wow what desperation. Sen Sanders has been singing the same song for decades. You either rhett o rick Jun 2016 #86
This leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #106
Clinton supporters agree with her on any particular issue. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2016 #119
If you ask what their stand is on an issue they won't answer because they are afraid rhett o rick Jun 2016 #123
Ah, the Christ complex again. Is that in third person? Lol seabeyond Jun 2016 #6
Well, now that you mention it... findrskeep Jun 2016 #25
The Golden Rule? Do onto others as we want done onto us? Really? Lol. Sanders seabeyond Jun 2016 #30
That is plainly not true. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2016 #121
Nu uh. seabeyond Jun 2016 #122
So... in essence... you want other to call you out.... Matt_R Jun 2016 #125
That's not what the Come to Jesus Moment refers to. libdem4life Jun 2016 #48
lost cause, there nt grasswire Jun 2016 #65
Become a believer.... Make of it what you will. seabeyond Jun 2016 #68
OK, then. libdem4life Jun 2016 #71
K&R.. disillusioned73 Jun 2016 #7
K & R imagine2015 Jun 2016 #9
K&R - Damn well said Ferd Berfel Jun 2016 #10
As they say, the love of money is the root of all evil. n/t Skwmom Jun 2016 #127
Clinton would be a fool to unilaterally disarm... brooklynite Jun 2016 #11
Yet he's still outpolling Trump better than Clinton. eom Fawke Em Jun 2016 #13
Please tell me that's not the argument Sanders will be giving to the Superdelegates... brooklynite Jun 2016 #14
And I say, hallelujah, it is time to come-to-Jesus, and vote for the man who is preaching his pdsimdars Jun 2016 #16
Yes, he is a very bright light. findrskeep Jun 2016 #29
Yeah, those pesky Beatitudes...downright socialist spoken by a hippie. libdem4life Jun 2016 #49
Watching Bernie's campaign grow from nothing a year ago senz Jun 2016 #87
K&R vintx Jun 2016 #17
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #26
Yeah, but there are two Jesuses. HassleCat Jun 2016 #28
And one of those is the true Jesus findrskeep Jun 2016 #33
stay married to corporate money or return to its first love—the American middle class. elleng Jun 2016 #31
Really so what is your plan to get rid of United? We all want that but how? Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #143
I'm not disenchanted with Obama hollowdweller Jun 2016 #32
Obama didn't move the needle to the left at all! cui bono Jun 2016 #39
Exactly Carolina Jun 2016 #77
Better known in my New Orleans neck of the woods Aerows Jun 2016 #34
Good party history from the progressive p.o.v. Thanks! I hope you're right. ancianita Jun 2016 #37
Raving angry socialist be destroyed by trump beachbumbob Jun 2016 #38
Bernie is telling people what the Democratic party once was, could be again and should be again. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #40
You may be right. I hope not but if you are most of us will jwirr Jun 2016 #133
Why name a secular phenomenon after a religious figure? BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #41
No one is looking for a religious figure findrskeep Jun 2016 #43
"we have the power to change" Just not the votes. nt BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #45
Oh, good, um, lord. This is used all the time. It's not religious. libdem4life Jun 2016 #50
How do you not understand that Buddha and Jesus are religious figures? BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #52
OK, then. libdem4life Jun 2016 #58
If you are religious they are. To me they are characters of literature and myth and culture. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #70
I look at it as merely an idiom. Skwmom Jun 2016 #62
I think you're off by one letter there. nt BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #63
It's a painfully common figure of speech. phleshdef Jun 2016 #118
Who has the power and money to pull us out of the economic hole? They don't really need many Jitter65 Jun 2016 #56
you sound far too much like a Republican, contempt for voters and the works. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #66
They are letting a TYT anchor quote on CNBC? trudyco Jun 2016 #60
The "Come to Jesus moment" rock Jun 2016 #61
Why get stuck on an idiom? It just means 'moment of reckoning'. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #67
It's a poor analogy rock Jun 2016 #73
Oh, I disagree. It is extremely fitting. Skwmom Jun 2016 #75
That's funny Meteor Man Jun 2016 #81
I agree that it is a loaded phrase that distracts from the point being made GreatGazoo Jun 2016 #98
Epiphany. From the (non-Judeo, pre-Christian) Greek. Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #105
I also like them both rock Jun 2016 #107
I don't get it. In 2008, I canvassed for Obama because I felt the energy and enthusiasm from him. randome Jun 2016 #69
A lot of his coworkers are corporatist sellouts. Skwmom Jun 2016 #74
Okee dokee then, enjoy these special vibes instead. Miles Archer Jun 2016 #88
Well, I don't really get that much from Clinton, either. randome Jun 2016 #91
Bernie has worked year after year on the people's amendments AND passed the biggest VA legislation. Skwmom Jun 2016 #97
It takes a certain amount of ego to put yourself in a leadership position. randome Jun 2016 #99
Absolute perfection. Contemplating creating a sock puppet so I can rec it twice. Barack_America Jun 2016 #89
It really sums it up. Skwmom Jun 2016 #131
Jesus! tandem5 Jun 2016 #90
Excellent piece!! But I am sitting here lmao at all the people that never heard the term jillan Jun 2016 #92
That's why I provided a definition. Skwmom Jun 2016 #93
K&R blackspade Jun 2016 #100
Down with corporatists Third Wayers! Cobalt Violet Jun 2016 #101
Damn skippy, CV farleftlib Jun 2016 #140
The establishment claims to be surprised by this. That makes them either naive or liars. Scuba Jun 2016 #104
A "Come to Jesus Moment" pinebox Jun 2016 #108
My bet.. NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #109
Nailed it! Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2016 #110
thanks for this! Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #111
How about we call it a 'come to Jesus (hey-Zeus)' moment so folks.. aidbo Jun 2016 #124
Occupy didn't fizzle Paulie Jun 2016 #134
It ain't going to happen. Beacool Jun 2016 #136
The author of that piece seems to think Bernie IS Jesus. -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #138
Isn't it about time for the obligatory "X days left!" comment? Buns_of_Fire Jun 2016 #142

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
1. others say he's an Eisenhower Republican: either way, there's one political dynasty that's
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:27 PM
Jun 2016

distorted politics from what it used to be before Reagan, and it ain't the Reagans

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
3. or get money or whuffie from the gravy-train system
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:29 PM
Jun 2016

surprised this ran on CNBC, too---TYT's Jordan Chariton

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
4. WRONG! That diatribe tries to
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:48 PM
Jun 2016

bend reality to a made-up fantasy promoted by white millennial Sanders zealots. The facts are 180 degrees away from this statement in the OP:

"that sales pitch has been rejected by the voters the party needs to survive into the future—millennials, young African Americans and Latinos"

See, for example,

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/04/exit.polls

"Exit polls: Obama wins big among young, minority voters"

"The only age group where McCain prevailed was 65 and over, and that by just a 10-percentage-point margin, 54 percent to 44 percent, the exit polls showed.

And minorities went heavily into the Obama camp. Blacks, 96 percent Obama to 3 percent McCain; Latinos, 67 percent Obama to 30 percent McCain; and Asians, 63 percent Obama to 34 percent McCain."

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
12. There's no "anti-Establishment
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:35 PM
Jun 2016

candidate" NOW, either; just an anti-Establishment sore loser.

And the stats I cited show that the Democratic Party still is doing fine with young people and with minorities. What are they going to do, vote for Trump?

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
18. My apologies. I thought I was responding to a rational human being living in reality.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:43 PM
Jun 2016

I won't bother you again.

.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
79. I saw a sig line yesterday, can't remembere whose.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:21 PM
Jun 2016

"Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience".

dchill

(38,462 posts)
103. What a treasure!
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:58 AM
Jun 2016

“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to reform (or pause and reflect).”

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
114. The irony being his user name "ProgressiveEconomist."
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:37 AM
Jun 2016

Sort of like "Patriot Act" or the "Clean Skies Initiative."

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
141. Where is the virtue in ignoring what
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 07:36 AM
Jun 2016

is correct about his post? Those groups have not rejected the Democrats. They went heavily for Democratic candidates in 2008 and 2012 and in the 2016 primary.

The kind of honesty and clear sight you guys claim require agreement with at least that, if not other points in the OP.

TransitJohn

(6,932 posts)
42. And there you have it. "What are they going to do, vote for Trump?"
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:53 PM
Jun 2016

That's the entitlement driving liberals and progressives away from the Party in droves.

sandyshoes17

(657 posts)
53. Isn't that what Bill Clinton said
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:16 PM
Jun 2016

I voted and campaigned for Bill. But I've learned a lot since then. Wasn't that their philosophy, they have to take us, what are they going to do, vote for the scary rebuplican. Same story different year. I'm tired of this game. The country is tired of this game. You have a choice get screwed slowly or hard, your choice either way your getting screwed. Now get out there and vote!

Beowulf

(761 posts)
72. Yes, that's been the " New Democrat" DLC, Third Way line going back to the mid-80's
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:41 PM
Jun 2016

Hence the attempted shaming of Sanders' supporters to vote for Hillary. This is unprecedented push back by the left/progressive wing of the party and apparently has infuriated the Clinton wing.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
130. now, now, nothing wrong with getting screwed once in awhile,
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:03 PM
Jun 2016

just be sure you want to be with the partner of your own choice.


Me, I'll choose to be from the old man with the flaming white hair wearing his dark rimmed glasses.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
54. The ones I know personally will NOT vote for Hillary.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:17 PM
Jun 2016

Under any circumstances.

No matter how much condescending sarcasm is dripped in their direction.

 

CobaltBlue

(1,122 posts)
94. ProgressiveEconomist—Good point! Every election sees a shift of +0.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:12 AM
Jun 2016

Numbers never move.

Human beings’ vote are always the same. (Guaranteed.)

There will be no point in time in which the Republicans will win a pickup of the presidency.

It cannot happen.

There will also be no point in time in which the Democrats win back majority control of the U.S. House and U.S. Senate (same or separate election cycle).

It is just not possible.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
102. You just hide and watch
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:58 AM
Jun 2016

They're not going to vote for Trump. However, they're not going to vote against him either.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
113. So anyone in history who advocated a progressive change from the status quo ...
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:36 AM
Jun 2016

... is a loser.

Guess MLK was a loser, then.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
132. You are absolutely right, which is the ONLY reason your post produced the shrieks that it did
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:49 PM
Jun 2016

from those who will reject anything that declares their anointed one the failure that he is.

When party leaders, even President Obama, talk about "pragmatism" and "incremental change," they're using code words; ones that rationalize the revolving door between corporate America, Wall Street, K Street, and Washington, D.C.—the one they've been complicit in swinging wide open.

But that sales pitch has been rejected by the voters the party needs to survive into the future—millennials, young African Americans and Latinos, and the working class. And from the hundreds I've met and interviewed on the campaign trail, they are for Sanders and don't give a damn about Democratic Party unity.


Considering that Sanders has lost black voters of every age, income and education level, I'm not even sure why I'd be interested in anything else this person is saying.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
137. A career politician with 30 years in Congress isn't what I'd call anti-establishment.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:55 AM
Jun 2016

Nor is worship of "anti-establishment" a rational position. An "anti-establishment" candidate isn't necessarily interested in replacing the establishment with something better after all.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
21. I've talked to voters in the group he is talking about and he is spot on.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:56 PM
Jun 2016


Ever heard the old saying, the bloom is off the rose...

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
24. Let's be charitable
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:20 PM
Jun 2016

and admit into this conversation the sitution before Super Tuesay, when Bernie's campaign against Hillary still arguably was viable.

Do you have any evidence from exit polls that Bernie led among young African-Americans and Latinos?

He did seem to be succeeding among white millenials, likely because of his hare-brained, cynically opportunistic, massively wasteful proposal to make college tuition "free" for them, most of whose families can afford to pay at least a large part of the cost.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
27. Who said that? What I said is I have spoken to (know) young African-Americans and Latinos and
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:27 PM
Jun 2016

working class individuals who are NOT for uniting behind Clinton and what she represents.


passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
44. Apparently there are polls that show this
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:02 PM
Jun 2016

They show that the youth vote for Bernie includes higher rates of blacks and Hispanics than it does whites.

I have not personally seen those polls and I don't have a link, but it's been mentioned before.

Try google?

You see the young white enraged male is not a real thing in the Bernie camp. While his camp does include a lot of young white enraged males, it's a much more diverse group than you imagine it to be.

It wasn't so much at the beginning of the campaign, because he was not a known entity. He is now and he's very popular with people under 30 of all ethnic groups.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
51. Yeah, I thought so
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:14 PM
Jun 2016

I google things all the time to prove and disprove things I doubt. I'm not afraid to find out the truth. And I'm open to changing my mind when confronted with it.

YMMV

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
64. what did I post twice?
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:47 PM
Jun 2016

Sorry, it's not my job to educate you. I was only confirming what the OP said about the ethnicity of Sander's supporters.

I don't really care if you are educated on this issue or not. You wouldn't change your mind if you were.

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
82. Here is one, but doubt it'll be enough ...
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:52 PM
Jun 2016
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/27/us/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-california-primary.html?_r=0

snip/

Another factor helping Mr. Sanders is that nonwhite voters here tend to be younger than elsewhere in the country, and more receptive to Mr. Sanders. While Mrs. Clinton had strong support among minority voters in previous primary states, the Public Policy poll showed the two candidates splitting the nonwhite vote.


http://www.mercurynews.com/politics-government/ci_29940896/california-poll-clinton-and-sanders-virtual-dead-heat?version=meter+at+3&module=meter-Links&pgtype=article&contentId=&mediaId=&referrer=&priority=true&action=click&contentCollection=meter-links-click

snip/

The poll, conducted May 13 to 22, showed Clinton leading among whites 47 percent to 41 percent and Latinos 52 percent to 43 percent. But Sanders is leading overall among nonwhites 47 percent to 46 percent. Baldassare chalks that up to the fact that minority voters in California tend to be younger.




passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
83. Thanks.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:59 PM
Jun 2016

I may not have actually seen a poll, it may have come from an interview with someone on Sander's campaign, like maybe Thom interview with Nina Turner. I really don't remember where I saw it.

And I agree, it's probably more the western states this is happening in, because as the primaries headed west, it was later in the season and Bernie was finally getting some media attention, so the youth were catching on.

As a matter of fact, there was a story about how the media has pushed the idea that Sander's supporters are white and only in predominantly white states can he win...and that is why after Hawaii won, and they are low percentage of white, the media was still pushing that.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
116. His campaign is still viable.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:11 PM
Jun 2016

Also, his tuition program is not "free," it is paid for with a small Wall Street transaction tax. It's a very rational program, and is considered normal in the rest of the developed world.

Your attempt at implying Bernie is some radical crazy loon is as transparent as it is "hair-brained."

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
46. This is the dung that reveals the shallow nature of well, the status quo.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:05 PM
Jun 2016

Unintelligent and snarky...full of hubris. Not befitting a serious issue such as the political experience of voters...of any stripe.

Philosophy is full of the warnings of the over-confident. This board is a mini-experiment in sociological philosophy. One-liner snark.

Again, the higher they rise, the lower they fall.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
117. Probably misquoting ...
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 02:00 PM
Jun 2016

... but my vague memory recalls:

"Hubris comes before the fall."

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
22. Do you understand what a come to jesus moment means?
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:04 PM
Jun 2016

An epiphany in which one realizes the truth of a matter; a sudden, intuitive perception of or insight into the reality or essential meaning of something; coming clean and admitting failures; realizing the true weight or impact of a negative situation or fact; acknowledgment that one must get back to core values; moment of realization; an aha moment; moment of decision; moment of truth; critical moment; moment of reassessment of priorities; turning point; life-changing moment.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
84. Obama isn't running this year. That was the attack used on him. Did you forget or are
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:16 PM
Jun 2016

you just recycling?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
86. Wow what desperation. Sen Sanders has been singing the same song for decades. You either
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:10 PM
Jun 2016

like his message or you don't. He isn't asking to be a messiah and the Left doesn't put personalities before ideology like the Corporate Democrats do. Clinton supporters agree with Clinton no matter what her position is on anything. Most don't even know where she stands today on say fracking, medical marijuana, the TPP, etc.

When you talk about a revered authoritarian leader, you are projecting.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
119. Clinton supporters agree with her on any particular issue.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 02:04 PM
Jun 2016

All ten positions for each issue, that is. With that strategy, she's right on everything!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
123. If you ask what their stand is on an issue they won't answer because they are afraid
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 02:42 PM
Jun 2016

they might not agree with whatever her current position is. They essentially say, "I agree with Clinton no matter where she currently stands."

findrskeep

(713 posts)
25. Well, now that you mention it...
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:23 PM
Jun 2016

Bernie is the only one who talks about all the things he taught. The golden rule, taking care of those less than us, not idolizing money etc. Now that's a big one. You know, all that stuff it seems like a lot of us have forgotten.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
30. The Golden Rule? Do onto others as we want done onto us? Really? Lol. Sanders
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:30 PM
Jun 2016

fails on the golden rule. He wants special. Special treatment, rules, laws. No criticism, coddle. No attacks or calling out.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
121. That is plainly not true.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 02:12 PM
Jun 2016

Clinton, on the other hand, wants special rules for her Wall Street buddies. I mean she even said that we were too harsh on them. That everyone shares the blame for their shenanigans (she didn't even call their behavior what it actually is: crimes). Of course she called them out on it, something short of a sternly written letter. I guess the bar was raised (lowered, depending on perspective). I'm sure she'll "look into it" once she gets her email server back.

Matt_R

(456 posts)
125. So... in essence... you want other to call you out....
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jun 2016

on the ridiculous things you might say or do... are you sure... are you sure your sure... double dog swear your sure... because you say you don't want others to be coddled... do you want others to coddle you?

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
10. K&R - Damn well said
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:21 PM
Jun 2016





BTW, I'd love and welcome it - but I'm not holding my breath. The Money...

The Dark side is strong with the corporate whores.

brooklynite

(94,452 posts)
11. Clinton would be a fool to unilaterally disarm...
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:26 PM
Jun 2016

SuperPACS and high dollar contributions WILL be spent in this election. It will be spent on the Republicans. If someone wants to spend it on the Democrats, I'll take it.

The Sanders Revolution (TM) has raised an impressive $250 M in a year. There's no sign that they can raise FIVE TIMES that amount in the three months between the Convention and the election.

brooklynite

(94,452 posts)
14. Please tell me that's not the argument Sanders will be giving to the Superdelegates...
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:38 PM
Jun 2016

...he'll be laughed off the phone.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
16. And I say, hallelujah, it is time to come-to-Jesus, and vote for the man who is preaching his
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:39 PM
Jun 2016

message, "help the least of these". That is what Bernie has said was his whole purpose for getting into politics -- to help the least of these.

No one else gives a damn, all talk and misleading bull sh*t. . but Bernie just keeps his light shining and moving forward.

For anyone with any kind of awakened spirituality, it is a joy to watch.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
87. Watching Bernie's campaign grow from nothing a year ago
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:13 PM
Jun 2016

to hundreds of thousands of enthusiastic cheering supporters and many millions of dollars in small donations, has reminded me repeatedly of the parable of the mustard seed (Mat 13:31–32, Mark 4:30–32, and Luke 13:18–19) -- a tiny thing, a lowly plant, that grows and grows and grows until it towers over everything and birds of the sky come to live in its branches.

It has been like that. Amazing to watch.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
28. Yeah, but there are two Jesuses.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:28 PM
Jun 2016

Not sure how to pluralize Jesus, but you get the idea. One is the Jesus of the scriptures, the one who tells his followers to love others, be nice, etc. The other is the Jesus you find in the megachurch, the one who wants you to smite sinners, raise lots of money for missionary scams, etc. Yes, the decision is coming, but I have no idea which way it will go.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
143. Really so what is your plan to get rid of United? We all want that but how?
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:36 AM
Jun 2016

What are your plans about anything...concrete...demands without any method to make it happens ...sound like the green traitors to me.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
32. I'm not disenchanted with Obama
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:31 PM
Jun 2016

I think Obama did a good job moving the needle to the left as far as was possible. Early on I thought he was too willing to work with the GOP but as it went on I thought he did well.

Now I expect either Sanders or Hillary to move the arrow a little farther.....

I even think Bill Clinton did a great job given the prevailing paradigm of the time. Some of the things he did set the stage for problems we had later but overall if Bush or Dole had won it would have been much worse.

Right now I think the country has woke up and realized it was screwed. Before that I don't think you could have convinced them.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
39. Obama didn't move the needle to the left at all!
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:39 PM
Jun 2016

And Hillary sure as hell won't.

They are deep centrists/corporatists.

What leftist would actively push for the TPP? Offer up cuts to SS?

.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
38. Raving angry socialist be destroyed by trump
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:36 PM
Jun 2016

Nothing will change that fact Hillary is our nominee....June 16th coming quick

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
40. Bernie is telling people what the Democratic party once was, could be again and should be again.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:42 PM
Jun 2016

Will it be? NO. Corporate money is now the heroin of the Democratic party. There's no rehab for that. The party leaders are going to do whatever the corporations want to keep their pusher happy.

Ms. Golden Sacks is the corporate sweetheart. She'll keep the bosses happy and keep the money rolling in.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
133. You may be right. I hope not but if you are most of us will
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:58 PM
Jun 2016

be in another party. We are not going to play the DLC game anymore. The party is already split. We have seen that we cannot gain anything here if the corporatists win. Most of us even feel a moral need to leave if that happens.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
41. Why name a secular phenomenon after a religious figure?
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:42 PM
Jun 2016

In case you haven't noticed, btw, Bernie Sanders still isn't Jesus.

findrskeep

(713 posts)
43. No one is looking for a religious figure
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:01 PM
Jun 2016

or savior. The point is to live your life along those guidelines. Bernie represents that. WE have to be the change WE want to see. Bernie is just helping us to remember that. To remember what is possible...we have the power to change. It's up to us.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
50. Oh, good, um, lord. This is used all the time. It's not religious.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:12 PM
Jun 2016

It could be the Come to Buddha movement...means enlightenment...the realization of other truths. And that's what most world religions espouse.

Kind of like "Good Lord" doesn't refer to any religious figure, no more than the opposite pejorative starting with God.

I'm starting to wonder what the average age that posts here.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
52. How do you not understand that Buddha and Jesus are religious figures?
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:16 PM
Jun 2016

Nirvana, Heaven, whatever you want to call it, they made it up for attention.

On second thought, maybe Sanders IS a religious icon.....

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
70. If you are religious they are. To me they are characters of literature and myth and culture.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:11 PM
Jun 2016

A 'come to Jesus' moment is a common idiom that draws on that literature, it's surprising so many of you are unaware of this. Perhaps it is because you think of literary figures as something more elevated?

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
56. Who has the power and money to pull us out of the economic hole? They don't really need many
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:19 PM
Jun 2016

workers anymore, they have technology and people refuse to understand that. The rest of the world also has or is getting more technology. We either have a seat at the table or stand in the corner and get wasted.

We just can't tell voters what they WANT to hear. We need to tell them what they NEED to hear. I think Hillary does a better job of telling us what we need than either Trump or Sanders. Voters want to hear that industrial jobs are coming back as well as coal miner jobs...it ain't gonna happen! People want to hear that they can have free college tuition for ALL...it ain't gonna happen. People want to hear that single-payer health insurance will solve their health insurance problem...it ain't gonna happen unless they are willing to be taxed to the teeth. It's not so much that we can't create jobs...we just can't create ENOUGH high paying jobs to meet the ever increasing eligible workforce. We don't just have Mexican immigrant workers, we have Russian, Asian, Balkan and Baltic and Slavic immigrant workers.

Instead of addressing the need for training and building the education systems we need for the 21st century and preparing our public servants for the global issues they will be facing we continue to raise the issues people are angry about and respond with the solutions the want to hear. Hillary more than any other candidate out there understands this and tries to address it not with a vision to just destroy the systems we have or a vision to take us back to what we had. Her vision is about what we need.

rock

(13,218 posts)
61. The "Come to Jesus moment"
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:37 PM
Jun 2016

Is a particularly poor choice for an analogy, in general, and specifically even more, is insulting to me, an atheist. It also has the opposite effect from where the writer wants to take me.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
67. Why get stuck on an idiom? It just means 'moment of reckoning'.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:08 PM
Jun 2016

Did you know that when comics they 'I killed them' they don't mean they murdered the audience but that they made them laugh? It's an idiom. Acting as if you don't understand that makes you seem either vapid or intentionally coy.

rock

(13,218 posts)
73. It's a poor analogy
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:47 PM
Jun 2016

I think a lot of people would have been upset if you had used "nailed to the cross", which I would find offensive (even though I am an atheist).

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
98. I agree that it is a loaded phrase that distracts from the point being made
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 08:14 AM
Jun 2016

but the world is too full of tired idioms to be offended by all of them.

For example, Why is "killing two birds with one stone" something good? We supposedly hate birds?! Is there a shortage of stones?


 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
105. Epiphany. From the (non-Judeo, pre-Christian) Greek.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:33 AM
Jun 2016

I also like the term Catharsis in this context...

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
69. I don't get it. In 2008, I canvassed for Obama because I felt the energy and enthusiasm from him.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:10 PM
Jun 2016

I don't feel that from Sanders. I have to think that some are latching onto him because it's 'cute' to see an old guy waving his arms around or something? I really, honestly, don't get any special vibes from him.

And the fact that virtually none of his coworkers want to endorse him make me think I have him pegged right, as someone who really doesn't have much follow-through and doesn't think beyond the next stump speech.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
91. Well, I don't really get that much from Clinton, either.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:51 PM
Jun 2016

I don't particularly like her but I'll support her when she gets the nomination. But Sanders has been in the Senate for 25 years and hasn't been able to get his message out (how often have we heard that people just need to get to know him?) and his coworkers by and large have ignored him. So no chills and thrills from him, either.

He just never seemed like superstar material to me and I'm a little mystified why so many (not enough, obviously) think he's the next best thing to sliced bread.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
97. Bernie has worked year after year on the people's amendments AND passed the biggest VA legislation.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 07:27 AM
Jun 2016

We are not looking for a superstar. We are looking for a person with integrity who will fight for the people. Considering how much politicians LIE people are flocking to Bernie because his long record backs up his words. It's not just words provided by a speechwriter.
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
99. It takes a certain amount of ego to put yourself in a leadership position.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 08:55 AM
Jun 2016

After 25 years, Sanders hasn't done anything to promote himself as that leader. That's why no one really knew who he was at first. A leader has to be seen, has to build coalitions, shake hands, be sociable with the people you want to lead. Sanders doesn't seem to have many friends in Congress.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

jillan

(39,451 posts)
92. Excellent piece!! But I am sitting here lmao at all the people that never heard the term
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:00 PM
Jun 2016

"Come to Jesus moment"

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
104. The establishment claims to be surprised by this. That makes them either naive or liars.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:22 AM
Jun 2016
"If the Democratic Party would fight as hard for the Working Class as the Republican Party fights for the Ruling Class, the Republicans would be a powerless minority party within a few election cycles.

The Democratic Party knows this, the Republican Party knows this, the Ruling Class knows this- and they've been astonishingly successful at making sure the Working Class never learns this.

The status quo was rolling along just fine, until Bernie Sanders came along and mucked it up with his crazy ideas about democracy, equality and justice." ~ Anonymous
 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
109. My bet..
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:02 AM
Jun 2016

they will fight like HELL to stay married to corporate cash. The Democratic party has long since moved away from "it's all about us" to "I got mine, so get off your lazy ass and get yours too or quit your bitching".

 

aidbo

(2,328 posts)
124. How about we call it a 'come to Jesus (hey-Zeus)' moment so folks..
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 03:11 PM
Jun 2016

..quit nit-picking figures of speech?

TYT aficionados will know who I'm talking about. The Chief Justice of TYT Supreme Court Jesus Godoy.

Come to Rock & Roll Jesus
https://mobile.twitter.com/rocknroll_jesus

Paulie

(8,462 posts)
134. Occupy didn't fizzle
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:19 PM
Jun 2016

It was brutally repressed by armed and armored government lackeys. As I recall.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
136. It ain't going to happen.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:24 AM
Jun 2016

"Huddled in Philadelphia, the Democratic establishment will finally have its come-to-Jesus moment: stay married to corporate money or return to its first love—the American middle class."

Hillary will be the nominee. Voters have spoken and more of them have voted for her than for Sanders. Funny how this so called "revolution" is so quick to run over democracy and try to force on the party the losing candidate.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,172 posts)
142. Isn't it about time for the obligatory "X days left!" comment?
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:29 AM
Jun 2016

After all, many people are just chomping at the bit to see post after post of suitably obsequious comments where never is heard a discouraging word and the hills are alive with the sound of Clinton!

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