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riversedge

(70,182 posts)
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:46 PM Jun 2016

Bernie Wins Three Pinocchios: Bernie Sanders’s ‘factually incorrect’ delegate math[/











Fact Checker


Bernie Sanders’s ‘factually incorrect’ delegate math


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/06/02/bernie-sanderss-factually-incorrect-delegate-math/?tid=pm_politics_pop_b



By Glenn Kessler


June 2 at 3:00 AM





Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders criticized the Democratic party's nomination process and superdelegates during a rally in Santa Cruz, Calif., on May 31. He blasted reports that rival Hillary Clinton had clinched the nomination as "factually incorrect." (AP)




“Literally eight months before the first ballot was cast in Iowa, she had almost all of the superdelegates on board. That is an absurd system. … Now, on Tuesday night, on the 7th, you are going to hear from media saying that Hillary Clinton has received 80 or 90 delegates from New Jersey and other states…the nominating process is over, Secretary Clinton has won. That is factually incorrect. That is just not factually correct.”

— Sen. Bernie Sanders, speech in Santa Cruz, Calif., May 31

Sanders has complained regularly about the “absurd” system used in the Democratic Party presidential nomination process —.......................................

Hillary Clinton is on track to win a majority of the pledged delegates, almost certainly by June 7. But because superdelegates make up 15 percent of the total delegate pool, neither Clinton nor Sanders can obtain the 2,383 delegates needed to clinch the nomination without the support of superdelegates...............................


Misleading timeline


Sanders also offers a misleading timeline about Clinton’s accumulation of superdelegates.
What are superdelegates?
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Neither statement is factually correct.
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The Sanders campaign did not respond to a request for comment.

The Pinocchio Test


In complaining about superdelegates, Sanders is trying to have his cake and eat it, too. If not for the “absurd” superdelegate system, Sanders’s presidential hopes would firmly die on June 7.


Thus Sanders is misleading his supporters when he suggests it is “factually incorrect” for the media to crown Clinton the presumptive nominee on June 7.
In a narrow technical sense, the nominee is not chosen until the convention. But, barring some miracle, on June 7, Sanders will have lost the race for both pledged delegates and superdelegates. That leaves him with no hope to claim the nomination–unless he wants to overturn the will of the voters. But respecting the will of the voters was the original reason he complained about the superdelegate system in the first place.


Three Pinocchios








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Bernie Wins Three Pinocchios: Bernie Sanders’s ‘factually incorrect’ delegate math[/ (Original Post) riversedge Jun 2016 OP
Typical WaPo media spin k8conant Jun 2016 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Wait for it Jun 2016 #2
From the Amazon Bozo who exploits his workers. What a surprise! Skwmom Jun 2016 #3
KICK DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #4
Hate the message, attack the messenger. kstewart33 Jun 2016 #5
Let's see, using #BernieMath, that's 9 Pinocchios ucrdem Jun 2016 #6
K~ sheshe2 Jun 2016 #9
If your heart is in your dream . . . ucrdem Jun 2016 #11
Lol~ sheshe2 Jun 2016 #12
Chuckle. Good one. riversedge Jun 2016 #15
Denial! Dismissal! You're wrong! Mr Maru Jun 2016 #7
Pretty sick of the Sander whining about supers. nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #8
k&r DesertRat Jun 2016 #10
Sanders is up to about 25 Pinocchios, for a man running on integrity, he isn't doing well. seabeyond Jun 2016 #13
K&R Number23 Jun 2016 #14
In complaining about superdelegates, Sanders is trying to have his cake and eat it, too. LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #16
REC riversedge Jun 2016 #17

Response to riversedge (Original post)

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
6. Let's see, using #BernieMath, that's 9 Pinocchios
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:01 PM
Jun 2016




But they don't count until Jiminy Cricket gives a little whistle . . .

LiberalFighter

(50,831 posts)
16. In complaining about superdelegates, Sanders is trying to have his cake and eat it, too.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jun 2016
That leaves him with no hope to claim the nomination–unless he wants to overturn the will of the voters. But respecting the will of the voters was the original reason he complained about the superdelegate system in the first place.
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