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If Hillary Gives More Speeches Like Today, She Will Elect President Trump! (Original Post) berni_mccoy Jun 2016 OP
I thought Bernie was surging and will be the nominee. Which izzit??? Gomez163 Jun 2016 #1
Why be so condescending... leftinportland Jun 2016 #28
And it does so much to sway Bernie supporters. DUMB. panader0 Jun 2016 #37
True, I've been voting since 1972 leftinportland Jun 2016 #39
Gomez has been here 11 weeks and has 12 hides. There has been an panader0 Jun 2016 #40
That's been the part that's hard to understand. Dustlawyer Jun 2016 #53
And THIS thread leftynyc Jun 2016 #48
Her speech is alarming to some of us given her record. We have every right to discuss that Dustlawyer Jun 2016 #55
Yawn leftynyc Jun 2016 #56
Have I ever attacked you? Dustlawyer Jun 2016 #57
No idea leftynyc Jun 2016 #62
Weird, You all feel you need to school us. We are not intimidated by that shit. upaloopa Jun 2016 #52
When she was fighting off Bernie she hop-scotched to the left. pangaia Jun 2016 #2
pangaia—Welcome to the general election! Trump—left. Hillary—right. CobaltBlue Jun 2016 #3
Oh, jeeze !! pangaia Jun 2016 #6
A wOrd cLoUD AnD sENTence CaSe? onehandle Jun 2016 #4
Trump agrees with you Renew Deal Jun 2016 #5
Trump would love to run against Sanders Gothmog Jun 2016 #36
Yes, the Joe McCarthy playbook would be dusted off Zambero Jun 2016 #63
Come on, credit where credit is due. Philly-Union-Man Jun 2016 #7
Thank you MFM008 Jun 2016 #11
Obama still does not get credit for stuff he does. joshcryer Jun 2016 #22
Thank you. I am a Bernie supporter but thought she gave an excellent policy speech and pointed out kimbutgar Jun 2016 #33
Thank you. Sparkly Jun 2016 #35
+1000 Logical Jun 2016 #46
It is a bit worrying SpareribSP Jun 2016 #8
Interesting I don't see the word "ME" in that word cloud, guess she's mastered that, finally HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #9
Pronouns are stop-worded hootinholler Jun 2016 #16
Then why is "hes" in the word cloud? HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #18
"hes" may not be recognized as a pronoun if the transcript didn't use the apostrophe n/t hootinholler Jun 2016 #30
are you joking op? MFM008 Jun 2016 #10
Another completely off the beam anti-Hillary rant totally removed from reality. RBInMaine Jun 2016 #12
Like you never ranted about Hillary! LOL B Calm Jun 2016 #24
I've lambasted Hillary in the past and strongly support her now. KittyWampus Jun 2016 #42
This is what responsible, realistic foreign policy looks like Tarc Jun 2016 #13
THIS! Thank you. grossproffit Jun 2016 #17
Oh my, sides are splitting Jitter65 Jun 2016 #41
Thank you for moving past the thought Sanders is going to win. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #14
Well, except for that "handed Trump his ass" part. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #15
He's not basing his conclusion on the actual speech. GoCubsGo Jun 2016 #19
The "LOVE TRUMP" on her web site was even worse. scscholar Jun 2016 #20
You can't beat Trump by playing into his game davidn3600 Jun 2016 #21
There was a lot of policy in that speech LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #25
Pretty hilarious her giving a speech on how strong she is on National Security. B Calm Jun 2016 #23
Get it all out. Tick tock redstateblues Jun 2016 #27
Tick tock, tick tock, a mouse ran up the clock. B Calm Jun 2016 #29
This time it's running out the clock. Enjoy your next few days redstateblues Jun 2016 #31
Same to you! B Calm Jun 2016 #32
Smooth that she avoided the words like secure server and password. peace13 Jun 2016 #34
Smooth Hillary and Slick Willie #42 B Calm Jun 2016 #44
LOL Republican word cloud. redstateblues Jun 2016 #26
As a Bernie supporter, I disagree. potone Jun 2016 #38
A good speech in the wake of last week's IG report... in case of emergency break glass! HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #50
Nonsense!!! Beacool Jun 2016 #43
Fucking idiotic post. But i assume you know that. Nt Logical Jun 2016 #45
Congratulations leftynyc Jun 2016 #47
More proof that Sanders fans & Trump fans both see the same bizarre alternate reality baldguy Jun 2016 #49
Now Word clouds are going to elect POTUS!! ha ha. riversedge Jun 2016 #51
51 replies, 1217 views and 18 recs. stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #54
And 12 days... Bobbie Jo Jun 2016 #59
So you take random words out of her speech gollygee Jun 2016 #58
Exactly Zambero Jun 2016 #64
These... MrWendel Jun 2016 #60
It's not the words. It how they are used. Zambero Jun 2016 #61
Read 'em and weep... SidDithers Jun 2016 #65
You misspelled "Destroy" as "Elect." MineralMan Jun 2016 #66

panader0

(25,816 posts)
37. And it does so much to sway Bernie supporters. DUMB.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:21 PM
Jun 2016

It's really strange, those who say not voting for HRC is a vote for Trump do their very best
to alienate Bernie folk. For supporters of a candidate that has already called herself the nominee to
continue to berate the voters she will need is NUTZ.

leftinportland

(247 posts)
39. True, I've been voting since 1972
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:46 PM
Jun 2016

and have never been this close to not voting for the Dem nominee...this behavior not helping.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
53. That's been the part that's hard to understand.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 08:24 AM
Jun 2016

I don't expect Hillary supporters to beg or anything other than to stop antagonizing us. Bernie is going to the convention to do his thang. He wants to try and sway Super Delegates and it will be, admittedly and uphill battle, but assuming she wins they will need us. Stop attacking us unless one of us attacks you!

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
48. And THIS thread
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 07:55 AM
Jun 2016

reflects so well on YOUR candidate? It's nothing but pathetic bullshit but I don't see you whining about that, just about how Hillary supporters see through the pathetic bullshit.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
55. Her speech is alarming to some of us given her record. We have every right to discuss that
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 08:26 AM
Jun 2016

concern that you obviously don't share. You have every right to disagree, but please keep it civil.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
56. Yawn
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 08:50 AM
Jun 2016

A Bernie supporter complaining about civility. Let me find that tiny violin and get back to you.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
62. No idea
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:35 AM
Jun 2016

I don't watch that closely who says what. I'm tired of people pretending it's only one side who uses rancor and division and I'm going to call it out every single time.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
2. When she was fighting off Bernie she hop-scotched to the left.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:17 PM
Jun 2016

Now she does the opposite...

She's like a damn VCR.

On Edit: Humm, she's a lawyer. A good lawyer, or a bad lawyer, can argue either side of an issue, so to speak.... or mis-speak theirself(is that a word), or whatever it is...

Zambero

(8,962 posts)
63. Yes, the Joe McCarthy playbook would be dusted off
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:41 AM
Jun 2016

Big time. "Bolshevik Bernie" would be constructed, deconstructed, and eviscerated in much the same manner that Nixon slimed McGovern. And the "math" would show people's taxes doubling to cover "socialized medicine", "Free college tuition for other people's kids", and "welfare for illegals". It's not always the truth that wins campaigns. Skillful use of lies can be far more effective.

 

Philly-Union-Man

(79 posts)
7. Come on, credit where credit is due.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:29 PM
Jun 2016

She scorched that imbecile today and it was beautiful.

Is it impossible to give her kiudos for a job well done when she does one?

It's ridiculous,

kimbutgar

(21,055 posts)
33. Thank you. I am a Bernie supporter but thought she gave an excellent policy speech and pointed out
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:39 PM
Jun 2016

What an idiot he is and a dangerous hateful person.

SpareribSP

(325 posts)
8. It is a bit worrying
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:30 PM
Jun 2016

The whole Republican primary was about Trump. Each candidate saying Trump this, Trump that, falling to his level and burning out. It would be nice for Hillary to be above all that, otherwise the narrative will still just be Trump, Trump, Trump. Since the Republican attacks didn't stick, I'm not sure if hers will. Honestly I think the best strategy here is to NOT pivot.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
9. Interesting I don't see the word "ME" in that word cloud, guess she's mastered that, finally
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:34 PM
Jun 2016


I really think using language in a stigmatizing way is unbecoming of a presidential candidate.

She's selling fear, and working in the mentally ill. Why does she hate over 1 in 5 Americans?

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
16. Pronouns are stop-worded
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:53 PM
Jun 2016

They are too common in the language and simply clutter the cloud. Perhaps you can find one with custom or no stop words.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
12. Another completely off the beam anti-Hillary rant totally removed from reality.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:43 PM
Jun 2016

Please find the planet Earth.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
42. I've lambasted Hillary in the past and strongly support her now.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:05 AM
Jun 2016

You think you proved something about another person.

All you did is illustrate how an ideologue goes through life never adjusting to circumstances.

I may have issues with Clinton but Sanders is clearly not up to the job of POTUS. He can't even run a campaign.

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
13. This is what responsible, realistic foreign policy looks like
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:43 PM
Jun 2016

When Bernie's foreign policy aims can be summed up as;

"Oh, Israel? Yea, me too. Well, not really, because a lot of my supporters think Israel is bad."


"Hillary voted for that Iraq war, I voted to fund that Iraq war. That's, like, totally better!"


and so on...
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
14. Thank you for moving past the thought Sanders is going to win.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:45 PM
Jun 2016

Now it time to sell you on Clinton over Trump.

Step by step I'm going to do it.

GoCubsGo

(32,075 posts)
19. He's not basing his conclusion on the actual speech.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:03 PM
Jun 2016

He's basing it on the "word cloud" for the speech, which is basically a jumble of words with no actual context or order.

 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
20. The "LOVE TRUMP" on her web site was even worse.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:09 PM
Jun 2016

It was an image containing the text "LOVE TRUMPS HATE," but it was cutoff on my iPhone to just "LOVE TRUMP." After seeing it, I had trouble breathing for a few seconds.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
21. You can't beat Trump by playing into his game
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:13 PM
Jun 2016

If you turn this into a war of insults and a reality show, he's going to win.

You have to stick with policy. That's where he's weak.

LoverOfLiberty

(1,438 posts)
25. There was a lot of policy in that speech
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:22 PM
Jun 2016

In fact, it was mostly about the difference in foreign policy between Trump and Hillary.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
31. This time it's running out the clock. Enjoy your next few days
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:34 PM
Jun 2016

spewing all the negativity you can generate. I know it's exhausting. You'll need a vacation. Enjoy.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
26. LOL Republican word cloud.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:24 PM
Jun 2016

Somebody's spending too much time on Facebook. She rocked it today. Madam President.

potone

(1,701 posts)
38. As a Bernie supporter, I disagree.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:37 PM
Jun 2016

It was a good speech that pointed out how utterly unfit Trump is to be president. Her emphasis on foreign policy was necessary; while I don't agree with her basic view of what our foreign policy should be, there is no doubt that Trump would be an utter catastrophe as president on the grounds of foreign policy alone. She was right to point out the importance of our alliances, and that insulting our allies and neighbors, as Trump has done, is stupid and dangerous. She was also right to point out that he is extraordinarily thin-skinned, and does not have the temperament to be president and commander in chief.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
50. A good speech in the wake of last week's IG report... in case of emergency break glass!
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 08:11 AM
Jun 2016

And break the glass with as much noise as possible.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
47. Congratulations
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 07:52 AM
Jun 2016

Your pathetic hatred of Hillary has led you to post the most inane, repulsive bullshit thread I've seen to date on here.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
49. More proof that Sanders fans & Trump fans both see the same bizarre alternate reality
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 07:59 AM
Jun 2016

Which has no connection to the real world.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
58. So you take random words out of her speech
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 08:53 AM
Jun 2016

And that's supposed to mean something? Is this a joke? She was talking about how Donald Trump doesn't would be dangerous as President and how he is wrong for America. Yeah she used those words a lot but it didn't help him.

Zambero

(8,962 posts)
64. Exactly
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:46 AM
Jun 2016

One analogy might be the game of Scrabble. It's not the individual letters that are drawn so much as how they are constructed into words. And the same applies to words themselves. They can be used to construct a meaningful and effective dialogue, or tossed into a rambling incoherent salad. Guess which major candidate uses the latter approach?

Zambero

(8,962 posts)
61. It's not the words. It how they are used.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:32 AM
Jun 2016

Hillary, and Bernie for that manner, are adept at choosing words and using them to great effect. Trump chooses and puts words into a tossed salad that is hard to swallow, let alone decipher. He does have a firm base of support, but the 15-20% or so of voters who fit into the "undecided" category are not likely to be persuaded by a rambling narcissist. Hillary needs to stay the course with this approach. If and when Trump melts down for all to see, it will be lights out for his campaign.

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