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"We will never get past the primary if sore winners choose to keep trashing Bernie Sanders." (Original Post) Miles Archer Jun 2016 OP
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Disgusting untrue crap. HERVEPA Jun 2016 #2
There is no shortage of Sanders attacks from Clinton supporters on this site... Miles Archer Jun 2016 #3
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sanders and his ilk have very thin skin. Just repost what they say about Hillary, put bernie's MariaThinks Jun 2016 #20
Yeah. That'll work. NOT! eom Mika Jun 2016 #27
Yes, there might be complaints because they wouldn't be true. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #44
and yet notice how quickly the anti-bernie posts get hidden. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #67
Posts that say 'I hate' a Democratic candidate should be hidden. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #90
then why do the ones bashing Hillary remain visible with many responses that agree with the premise? MariaThinks Jun 2016 #124
Oh please puffy socks Jun 2016 #16
Really? Cowardly attacks? EVERY Sanders OP? Miles Archer Jun 2016 #33
And you demonstrated my point puffy socks Jun 2016 #43
Did you hear her attack on Trump? It was brilliant. No true progressive could listen to her and not MariaThinks Jun 2016 #71
I did and it was wonderful! puffy socks Jun 2016 #72
progress enid602 Jun 2016 #8
The site is over run with them? Them? You mean the Democrats here from the beginning. Zen Democrat Jun 2016 #11
'over run with them' is verbiage chosen to suggest a less than human status, vermin over run the Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #18
Yep, it's a right-wing authoritarian tactic. B Calm Jun 2016 #85
by "them" they mean 'other'. classic divisive language Viva_La_Revolution Jun 2016 #22
Bingo Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #78
"Them"(real Democrats) = thought criminals. They'll be brought to heel when her highness takes power jack_krass Jun 2016 #97
Well if you look at the two profiles above that have hidden posts Rex Jun 2016 #120
I agree with Skinner on this one. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #17
Thanks! You absolutely nailed the absurdity of all this whining about "Hillary hate" Jim Lane Jun 2016 #81
I don't "hate" anyone. Miles Archer Jun 2016 #130
True that mmonk Jun 2016 #86
As do I. That's why I rec'd it. Cooley Hurd Jun 2016 #110
The Clinton supporters on this board? They do not represent her, just as the Sanders supporters kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #121
Please make this an OP. QC Jun 2016 #114
Gloating about winning even before the race is over is not condusive to unity. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #28
Exactly libodem Jun 2016 #45
Hatred is worse. redstateblues Jun 2016 #79
Sure is! Cooley Hurd Jun 2016 #111
if the good of the country is not important for unity, why lay it at our feet. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #68
We tried to explain that for the good of the country we need someone rhett o rick Jun 2016 #69
So the candidate who won needs to step down for the losing candidate before there is unity? LonePirate Jun 2016 #126
You need to look at those ten hides you've got, and have yourself a think. Scootaloo Jun 2016 #53
Ive looked at them cause i posted them. What hate you finding there? boston bean Jun 2016 #55
Are you for real? Scootaloo Jun 2016 #58
I dont see hate and i dont see personal attacks against any member. boston bean Jun 2016 #59
you get posts hidden because you're speaking the truth. Anything pro hillary and anti-bernie has a MariaThinks Jun 2016 #70
11 now. n/t QC Jun 2016 #61
Ha! Cooley Hurd Jun 2016 #112
The new rules cannot come soon enough. Rex Jun 2016 #122
What's funny is that many of the worst offenders still think QC Jun 2016 #123
First of all, there is no admitting of the race having been won in this at all. The word IF is used, highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #57
Well put. I'm doing my best to not answer the continuing venom redstateblues Jun 2016 #4
Quit lying dissing attacking and falsely accusing Clinton, Democratic Party, seabeyond Jun 2016 #5
Self defense? This is the trash you posted yesterday, you need to own your work: Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #91
And amazing it was hidden. I just turned the offensive conversation from Clinton to Sanders. Hey... seabeyond Jun 2016 #94
So your excuse is that 'Johnny did it first' and that you lack all personal agency? Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #107
I thought it an excellent point and the reactive repulsion you feel? Well, back atcha. seabeyond Jun 2016 #108
Wow, now that is nasty beyond belief! B Calm Jun 2016 #131
He's talking about a 'victory rally' during the convention. He's the sore one. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #6
No he's not. Read the post I linked to, and the one that links to that. n/t Miles Archer Jun 2016 #34
Yes he is a sore loser puffy socks Jun 2016 #106
You have said repeatedly Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #7
Why bother with what, exactly? Miles Archer Jun 2016 #39
Which means after 6/16 leftynyc Jun 2016 #54
Personally, I think countering far left propaganda is a worthy effort towards BootinUp Jun 2016 #9
And you're a very, very special person. Here's a cookie for you. Miles Archer Jun 2016 #35
Didn't say *I* was special and worthy, thanks for the sarcastic insult. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #41
OMG, far left. Egads how did the Democratic party ever allow liberals in it. B Calm Jun 2016 #83
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Thanks for making Skinner's point so perfectly. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #14
Most posters are proving Skinner's point unc70 Jun 2016 #19
In my opinion he isn't a democrat and should be shunned by the party Thenewire Jun 2016 #21
Who should be shunned? Bernie or Skinner? unc70 Jun 2016 #23
oh yes, bring back shunning!! just like the middle ages Viva_La_Revolution Jun 2016 #24
And shun, of course, from the Latin "to shun." Miles Archer Jun 2016 #31
There you go again. Take it up with Skinner. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #25
I believe that Sanders brings nothing good to the party Thenewire Jun 2016 #29
Whatever. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #30
Conspiracy theorists? Persecution complex? Like, talking about the VRWC? mac56 Jun 2016 #65
The Democratic Party should care about minorities. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #36
Exactly! Nobody should be living in poverty! B Calm Jun 2016 #89
This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Jun 2016 #42
As a matter of fact, many of us plan to shun what used to be the Democratic Party, djean111 Jun 2016 #56
He's been a democrat longer than Hillary. Come to B Calm Jun 2016 #82
This is NOT an opinion. Puglover Jun 2016 #95
You are going to be very popular here. /sarcasm BootinUp Jun 2016 #26
Wow what vitriol. I'm going to take a wild guess that your agenda isn't to help Democrats. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #32
Sanders agenda is to not help the Democrats, he would rather help himself. Thenewire Jun 2016 #38
Wow, calling Sanders a bully is pure projection. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #47
Bernie Sanders NCTraveler Jun 2016 #12
You might want to see who said that unc70 Jun 2016 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Miles Archer Jun 2016 #99
I meant "read the link" unc70 Jun 2016 #115
No problem Miles Archer Jun 2016 #118
This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Jun 2016 #37
A President Trump will be happy to jail supporters of both Clinton and Sanders. Tal Vez Jun 2016 #40
Hillary made a great foreign policy speech yesterday, and how did Bernie respond? Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #46
The Primary isn't over. Sanders will concentrate on Trump when he is the nominee. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #48
She not only voted for the IWR, she made a Senate speech promoting it. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #49
+ 1 JoePhilly Jun 2016 #73
For my own part, I welcome the trashing. Maedhros Jun 2016 #50
Anyone that allows leftynyc Jun 2016 #51
I totally agree. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #66
I wish Bernie would set the tone and stop WhiteTara Jun 2016 #52
Sounds great. No more attacks on Hillary, no more attacks on Bernie. I dig. YouDig Jun 2016 #60
And your services will no longer be needed. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #63
Or if the losing candidate keeps attacking the nominee, instead of the Republican...nt SidDithers Jun 2016 #62
As skinner is cutting us off on the 16th(?) rock Jun 2016 #64
Skinner included a space for that. JoePhilly Jun 2016 #74
So you admit you are trashing and want to rev it up. Good luck with that! B Calm Jun 2016 #88
Which is stupid and counterproductive TDale313 Jun 2016 #109
Like how Bernie trashed Hillary's speech? ecstatic Jun 2016 #75
Like in poker...nothing worse then rubbing in the win laserhaas Jun 2016 #76
Like poker..know when to hold them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away....nt Jitter65 Jun 2016 #84
Ha Ha..... ya don't "get it" - That we're all in laserhaas Jun 2016 #92
We'll move past it when Bernie signals he's ready to accept reality. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #77
A couple of things to consider here Miles Archer Jun 2016 #102
The only reality I'm talking about is that Hillary has won. Every measure says it's true. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #104
Got to hand it to you, you definitely made a point, looking at all the hidden posts! B Calm Jun 2016 #80
Yep. And the point is... Miles Archer Jun 2016 #100
yep - will be past it next Tuesday DrDan Jun 2016 #87
We'll be past it on Thursday, June 16th Miles Archer Jun 2016 #117
Have you glanced at thread titles on the front page of GDP this morning? LWolf Jun 2016 #93
I personally do not believe DU is going to get past the primary Miles Archer Jun 2016 #96
I agree. nt LWolf Jun 2016 #98
That seems to be the most likely outcome. Buns_of_Fire Jun 2016 #113
I will be leaving DU on June 10 Robbins Jun 2016 #125
I will probably leave for at least a week when Skinner flips the switch on the 16th Miles Archer Jun 2016 #128
You started it. We're ending it. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #101
Link? B Calm Jun 2016 #103
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And I, in turn, am trembling before your awesome might. Miles Archer Jun 2016 #116
... opiate69 Jun 2016 #119
I haven't seen this happen anywhere but on DU. Here, the Hillary folks have sustained such long-term eastwestdem Jun 2016 #127
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LOCKING THREAD LostOne4Ever Jun 2016 #132

Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

 

HERVEPA

(6,107 posts)
2. Disgusting untrue crap.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:38 AM
Jun 2016

Miles Archer

(23,272 posts)
3. There is no shortage of Sanders attacks from Clinton supporters on this site...
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:38 AM
Jun 2016
...that do not begin with an attack on Clinton.

I know that you know this, and I also know that it's more convenient to your argument to leave that detail out.

I am not talking about Clinton supporters "defending" themselves.

And there is a boatload of "sore winners" here as well.

Response to Miles Archer (Reply #3)

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
20. sanders and his ilk have very thin skin. Just repost what they say about Hillary, put bernie's
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:57 AM
Jun 2016

name in and watch all the complaints.

 

Mika

(17,751 posts)
27. Yeah. That'll work. NOT! eom
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:11 AM
Jun 2016

aikoaiko

(34,214 posts)
44. Yes, there might be complaints because they wouldn't be true.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:23 AM
Jun 2016

I know that's a subtle concept.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
67. and yet notice how quickly the anti-bernie posts get hidden.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jun 2016
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
90. Posts that say 'I hate' a Democratic candidate should be hidden.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 08:06 AM
Jun 2016

Why the fuck is 'hate' being spewed at our candidates and at other Democrats?

You tell me why that should be accepted here?

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
124. then why do the ones bashing Hillary remain visible with many responses that agree with the premise?
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:08 PM
Jun 2016
 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
16. Oh please
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:52 AM
Jun 2016

Every OP posted by a Sanders supporter is an attack on Clinton and her supporters.

Cloaking it in passive agressive inquiries doesnt change that fact, it just the cowardice of some supporters
Like anonymous death threats...such brave, peace loving people berners are

Miles Archer

(23,272 posts)
33. Really? Cowardly attacks? EVERY Sanders OP?
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:15 AM
Jun 2016
 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
43. And you demonstrated my point
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:23 AM
Jun 2016

perfectly, not only with this latest post but the last two OPs of yours I read!


Continue on....June 16th is just around the corner.
So is the Convention where Hillary will accept the Dem nomination.




MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
71. Did you hear her attack on Trump? It was brilliant. No true progressive could listen to her and not
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:13 PM
Jun 2016

be proud.

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
72. I did and it was wonderful!
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:22 PM
Jun 2016

She easily outsmarts and out classes both of the candidate now running against her.

enid602

(9,685 posts)
8. progress
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:47 AM
Jun 2016

And admitting that Hillary won is also admitting that someone else lost. That's a start. But this election is but a blip in history. Bernie's revolution, if it is lasting will continue even without him as the nominee. Unfortunately, we are witnessing a situation in which the entire Republican establishment is slowly but surely endorsing a madman. We need to get our shit together to face this imminent threat.

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
11. The site is over run with them? Them? You mean the Democrats here from the beginning.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:48 AM
Jun 2016

I changed my name and avatar after the 2004 election because my name was specific to 2004. Who is them?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
18. 'over run with them' is verbiage chosen to suggest a less than human status, vermin over run the
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:56 AM
Jun 2016

place. Vermin can be eliminated without hesitation.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
85. Yep, it's a right-wing authoritarian tactic.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:55 AM
Jun 2016

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
22. by "them" they mean 'other'. classic divisive language
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:02 AM
Jun 2016
 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
78. Bingo
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:35 PM
Jun 2016
 

jack_krass

(1,009 posts)
97. "Them"(real Democrats) = thought criminals. They'll be brought to heel when her highness takes power
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:08 AM
Jun 2016
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
120. Well if you look at the two profiles above that have hidden posts
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:38 PM
Jun 2016

each poster has 11 hides!! 11! I cannot wait for Skinner to enforce the rules again, people trolling this board need to be banned. Period.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
17. I agree with Skinner on this one.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:52 AM
Jun 2016

People who toss the word 'hate' causally around like a nerf ball are usually those who have had precious little confrontation with actual hate in this world so full of that toxin. Those who abuse the word tend to be straight and white and born to the Christian tradition that dominates in the US, that is to say cossetted and secure children of privilege.
I am used to such things as Westboro Baptist Church. That's some hate. Then there are the people who do violent crimes against minorities because their bigotry motivates such acts. Hate crimes we call them. People who have been beaten for existing will rarely claim that criticism of a politician is 'hate' and there are reasons for that.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
81. Thanks! You absolutely nailed the absurdity of all this whining about "Hillary hate"
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:13 AM
Jun 2016

Too many Clinton supporters appear to have no understanding of the idea that reasonable people might simply disagree with their candidate on substantive grounds. Instead of answering such criticism, they try to delegitimize it. Their method is this "Hillary hating" meme, which, as you explain, is totally over the top.

Miles Archer

(23,272 posts)
130. I don't "hate" anyone.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 02:02 PM
Jun 2016

But yeah, the constant, non-stop crybaby whining over "hating" Clinton has worn paper-thin.

I don't like her.

I don't trust her.

I won't be voting for her.

And no, I do not support Trump.

"Instead of answering such criticism, they try to delegitimize it."

True...if you are not on all fours begging for a snausage from their candidate of choice, you must either:

1). Hate Clinton

2). Hate America AND Clinton

3). Want Trump to win

4). Not be a "real" Democrat + hate Clinton + hate America + want Trump to win

...and the raging, whining paranoia has rocketed way past the point of being amusing.

It's pathetic, actually. It's like the kid in grade school with the 1/2 inch penis who has to undress for gym class for the first time. These are the people throwing the monkey excrement.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
86. True that
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:59 AM
Jun 2016
 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
110. As do I. That's why I rec'd it.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:26 AM
Jun 2016


The Clinton supporters *really* need to step back and see what they're doing. They're chasing potential votes away from THEIR candidate with their nonsense. I think that's why Skinner said what he said. He doesn't want Trump to be President, and neither do I.

kerry-is-my-prez

(10,283 posts)
121. The Clinton supporters on this board? They do not represent her, just as the Sanders supporters
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:39 PM
Jun 2016

don't represent Sanders. Just because one/several people posts crazy-ass stuff on this board shouldn't be an excuse. Personally, I think a lot of the crazy stuff is being posted by Republicans or people looking to create non-unity.

QC

(26,371 posts)
114. Please make this an OP.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:57 AM
Jun 2016

The word "hate" has been used inappropriately for so long here.

Real hate is not criticizing a politician on a message board. Only the very privileged--and childish--would say so. It drags the discussion down to the level of junior high kids talking about who's dreamy and who's a poopiehead.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
28. Gloating about winning even before the race is over is not condusive to unity.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:11 AM
Jun 2016

But for some unity of the Party is secondary to being able to disparage others.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
45. Exactly
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:27 AM
Jun 2016

Gloating is ugly.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
79. Hatred is worse.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:35 PM
Jun 2016
 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
111. Sure is!
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:29 AM
Jun 2016

812 bans in one candidate group is pretty hateful (not to mention thinned skinned)!

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
68. if the good of the country is not important for unity, why lay it at our feet.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jun 2016
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
69. We tried to explain that for the good of the country we need someone
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:03 PM
Jun 2016

honest as president. We need someone that isn't beholden to Wall Street and Goldman-Sachs. We need someone that won't send our families to die for wars for corporate profits. But the hubris was too great. Now Clinton needs some Party unity. Party unity that we told you would be difficult to get with Clinton as the candidate. But again the hubris prevailed.

I think party unity to the Corporate Democrats means for the Progressive Democrats to fall in line and shut up and they will bad mouth us until we do. It was hubris and arrogance that gave us George Bush twice and it may well give us Trump. You need to find a scapegoat. Maybe Ralph Nader is available.

LonePirate

(14,367 posts)
126. So the candidate who won needs to step down for the losing candidate before there is unity?
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:26 PM
Jun 2016

That sounds more like blackmail than unity. Sanders has lost. His supporters need to accept that.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
53. You need to look at those ten hides you've got, and have yourself a think.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:17 PM
Jun 2016

boston bean

(36,931 posts)
55. Ive looked at them cause i posted them. What hate you finding there?
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:19 PM
Jun 2016

I dont personally insult anyone here.

Unlike the massive abusive personal insults directed at me specifically.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
58. Are you for real?
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:23 PM
Jun 2016

No, really, go back, read those, and tell me again with a straight face "there's no hate there."

boston bean

(36,931 posts)
59. I dont see hate and i dont see personal attacks against any member.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:27 PM
Jun 2016

Unlike the personal nasty insults directed at me specifically. I dont do that.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
70. you get posts hidden because you're speaking the truth. Anything pro hillary and anti-bernie has a
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:12 PM
Jun 2016

high likelihood of being hidden. I've seen the most awful things said about Hillary and they are left unchallenged. Then a Hillary supporter responds and their post is hidden.

DU is a small microcosm. I think we pay it too much attention and waste our time on trying to change silly, but dangerous, thought patterns.

So your hidden posts mean nothing.

QC

(26,371 posts)
61. 11 now. n/t
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:44 PM
Jun 2016
 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
112. Ha!
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:30 AM
Jun 2016
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
122. The new rules cannot come soon enough.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:43 PM
Jun 2016

I would laugh if they arrived on June 16th. All these folks making divisive threads and replies with almost a dozen hides need to go and stay gone imo.

QC

(26,371 posts)
123. What's funny is that many of the worst offenders still think
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:02 PM
Jun 2016

the new rules will result in all the people they don't like being banned while sparing them.

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
57. First of all, there is no admitting of the race having been won in this at all. The word IF is used,
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:21 PM
Jun 2016

and the sentence is rendered conditional. IF Hillary wins, and IF the winners then continue to bash Bernie supporters, it will be no great surprise but of limited value. Other than to dispense with you personal agitation at knowing so many people really doubt your hero and think she will potentially do awful things. Why? Because she's done them in the past.

It must hurt to follow someone so mistrusted and often despised. But she clearly brings it on herself. For all her good qualities, her less admirable qualities ring very loud and clear for a large part of the population, and this includes many, many Democrats and Democratic leaning peoples.

It doesn't really help her positive to go around bashing people who see things that are clearly there.

Why don't you work on your own candidate, and get her to be more positive to more of the people who make up the Democratic Party?

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
4. Well put. I'm doing my best to not answer the continuing venom
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:39 AM
Jun 2016

Being spewed by BSS.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
5. Quit lying dissing attacking and falsely accusing Clinton, Democratic Party,
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:41 AM
Jun 2016

And the people that voted for Clinron and we won't defend ourselves. How about that.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
91. Self defense? This is the trash you posted yesterday, you need to own your work:
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 08:19 AM
Jun 2016

"Whenever I think of Sanders, I think about him getting off abusing women and gang raping.

Ya... Both pretty outrageous, you think? Offensive to the core. But, that is your point, right?"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2115597


Vile, criminal accusations base on nothing at all aimed at a Democratic candidate. To produce such language out of your own brain and typed that and drag it to DU is a creepy choice.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
94. And amazing it was hidden. I just turned the offensive conversation from Clinton to Sanders. Hey...
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:51 AM
Jun 2016

did you tell the Op how vile he was?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
107. So your excuse is that 'Johnny did it first' and that you lack all personal agency?
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:18 AM
Jun 2016

I do not accept that as reason for adult behavior. And why would you assume that my dealings with others are something for you to even speak of?

Let me tell you this. There are many occasions on DU where I would criticize 'my side' or even defend Hillary on some points, I used to. But what happens is I come into a thread and see things like you and others post and there is no way I will offer succor to that, nor will I appear to stand with it. Not a chance. Posting things like you did, it's not good for the community. The OP was pointed, but Hillary did vote for that war, and she does own that choice. There was actual political motive for the language. Your post was out of the gutter and totally unrelated to Bernie Sanders actions or politics. You associated him with gang rape, that's worse than saying someone is a hawk. It is. Much, much worse. It's not something that should be said of anyone who is not guilty of it. Ever. It's not politics. It's just you saying horrible things to lash out at that OP. It's not the same. Johnny did not do it first. Johnny made a political point in an over the top way. You smeared a good man with rape language. It's not the same.
You know who did this sort of thing first? Donald Trump, who claimed Mexicans are rapists.

Comments like yours ruin DU and do harm to the process of democracy itself. All of this bashing serves only yourself and your back slapping cohort. It harms Hillary Clinton. It harms Bernie Sanders. It harms the Democratic Party.

You make comments that 'Democrats voted for Hillary'. My State is very Democratic, we voted for Bernie. In 08 and 12 we voted for Obama. Texas, it voted for Not Obama. And yet you freely disparage Oregon, Washington, Hawaii for voting for Bernie. 'Democrats vote for Hillary, Sanders people aren't Democrats, huff, puff Sanders voters don't show up to vote' you say. Your State, second lowest turnout of the cycle. Democratic turnout 7.2%. But you bash at us, with two Democratic Senators and 4 out of 5 Reps, a Democratic Governor and State House as not being Democrats.


 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
108. I thought it an excellent point and the reactive repulsion you feel? Well, back atcha.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:20 AM
Jun 2016
 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
131. Wow, now that is nasty beyond belief!
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 04:09 PM
Jun 2016
 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
6. He's talking about a 'victory rally' during the convention. He's the sore one.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:43 AM
Jun 2016

Miles Archer

(23,272 posts)
34. No he's not. Read the post I linked to, and the one that links to that. n/t
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:17 AM
Jun 2016
 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
106. Yes he is a sore loser
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:46 AM
Jun 2016

as are the Bernie fanatics
Or this ridicuous run to the convention wouldnt be happening

The lack of emotional maturity from Bernie and his remaining zealous supporters is astounding.

Doesnt matter though
I'm glad the naive "my way or the highway crowd if zealots rose up and exposed their true colors --a minority trying a hostile take over of the Dem party.

Hillary will be the Dem nominee
and theres not a damned thing Bernies camp can do about it.
The really funny thing is they think carrying on with the temper tantrum over him after the convention is going to bring people to their side so apparently they still haven't learned it's their attitude that is the big problem


Oh well....too bad for them! Its helping HC dramatically and we thank you!

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
7. You have said repeatedly
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:43 AM
Jun 2016

that you won't vote for her so why bother?

Miles Archer

(23,272 posts)
39. Why bother with what, exactly?
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:21 AM
Jun 2016

I said I wasn't going to vote for her...yes, repeatedly, because it just feels so damned good every time I say it.

But the cheering over how all Sanders posts will stop on June 16th was nothing more than delusion.

That's why I "bother."

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
54. Which means after 6/16
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:18 PM
Jun 2016

you'll be gone from here. Suits me just fine.

BootinUp

(51,323 posts)
9. Personally, I think countering far left propaganda is a worthy effort towards
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:47 AM
Jun 2016

unifying the party.

Miles Archer

(23,272 posts)
35. And you're a very, very special person. Here's a cookie for you.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:19 AM
Jun 2016

Because you're so special and worthy and all.

BootinUp

(51,323 posts)
41. Didn't say *I* was special and worthy, thanks for the sarcastic insult. nt
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:22 AM
Jun 2016
 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
83. OMG, far left. Egads how did the Democratic party ever allow liberals in it.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:47 AM
Jun 2016

How terrible. .

Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

The Velveteen Ocelot

(130,533 posts)
14. Thanks for making Skinner's point so perfectly.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:49 AM
Jun 2016

"We will never get past the primary if sore winners choose to keep trashing Bernie Sanders."

unc70

(6,501 posts)
19. Most posters are proving Skinner's point
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:56 AM
Jun 2016

They seem clueless the source of the quote, or that the other thread wanted to argue with Skinner.

This thread really proves the point.

Thenewire

(130 posts)
21. In my opinion he isn't a democrat and should be shunned by the party
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:59 AM
Jun 2016

His values are selfish and irresponsible in nature and detrimental to minorities. If his supporters want to join the political discourse that is completely fine but they should do so by starting their own political party instead of hijacking the only party that gives a damn about minorities.

unc70

(6,501 posts)
23. Who should be shunned? Bernie or Skinner?
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:05 AM
Jun 2016

You were replying to Ocelot's post, the immediate antecedent is Skinner.

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
24. oh yes, bring back shunning!! just like the middle ages
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:05 AM
Jun 2016

Maybe bring back stoning for liars too

Miles Archer

(23,272 posts)
31. And shun, of course, from the Latin "to shun."
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:13 AM
Jun 2016




The Velveteen Ocelot

(130,533 posts)
25. There you go again. Take it up with Skinner.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:05 AM
Jun 2016

If the primaries are over and Hillary has won, what are you grousing about - or are you just being a sore winner? Your statement is grotesquely false in any event but I'm tired of arguing and I'm not interested in being a sore loser.

Thenewire

(130 posts)
29. I believe that Sanders brings nothing good to the party
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:12 AM
Jun 2016

just conspiracy theorists and a persecution complex. And even if he were to bring anything good those two things alone undo all of it.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(130,533 posts)
30. Whatever.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:13 AM
Jun 2016

mac56

(17,821 posts)
65. Conspiracy theorists? Persecution complex? Like, talking about the VRWC?
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:10 PM
Jun 2016
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
36. The Democratic Party should care about minorities.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:20 AM
Jun 2016

But look at what Black Lives Matters Ashley Williams had to say:

“Here's the truth: the Clinton legacy has left our prisons bursting at the seams. Real lives have been destroyed as a result. It is an indisputable fact that millions of Black people were locked up for drug crimes and provided the bodies for the expansion of the prison industry.

The 1994 Crime Bill that she so vigorously defended not only expanded incarceration, but stripped funding for college education from prisoners. The Clinton legacy allowed for policies that prevented anyone convicted of a felony drug offense from receiving food stamps or income assistance. Clinton-led welfare reform fundamentally ripped apart the social safety net.”


“Make no mistake, Hillary Clinton's efforts to push these policies resulted in the continued destruction of Black communities and the swift growth of our mass incarceration crisis.”

While the Elite of our Party have been bought by the Big Corporations, Sen Sanders brings a return to Democratic Values.
 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
89. Exactly! Nobody should be living in poverty!
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 07:41 AM
Jun 2016

Response to Thenewire (Reply #21)

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
56. As a matter of fact, many of us plan to shun what used to be the Democratic Party,
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:20 PM
Jun 2016

if Bernie is not the nominee.

If the Democratic Party is being represented by a warmongering Third Way candidate, then it is not the Democratic Party I have belonged to all of my long life, and I would be ashamed to be associated with it. Posts by Hillary's supporters are irrelevant.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
82. He's been a democrat longer than Hillary. Come to
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:23 AM
Jun 2016

think about it, she never was a democrat.

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
95. This is NOT an opinion.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:52 AM
Jun 2016

This is Skinner's living room. Keep trashing it at you own peril.

BootinUp

(51,323 posts)
26. You are going to be very popular here. /sarcasm
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:08 AM
Jun 2016
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
32. Wow what vitriol. I'm going to take a wild guess that your agenda isn't to help Democrats.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:15 AM
Jun 2016

Just a guess.

Thenewire

(130 posts)
38. Sanders agenda is to not help the Democrats, he would rather help himself.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:21 AM
Jun 2016

And why should the Democratic party bow down to a bully whose supporters use intimidation and violence and believe that Sanders deserves to shape the Democratic platform after losing by well over 3 million votes. Sanders is the one who is calling the Democratic party corrupt.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
47. Wow, calling Sanders a bully is pure projection.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:29 AM
Jun 2016

I've noticed when bullies are confronted they always become the victim. The Clinton Campaign has the Billionaires, the Banksters, Wall Street, even the Koch Bros, Richard Perle and the neocons, Henry Kissinger, the Corp-Media, Super-Pacs, and the DNC trying to push the People around. Sen Sanders has shown that he has the support of the People. The 3 million vote lead is a lie, typical of the sad attempt to push the agenda of corporate America. It completely disregards those states where Sanders won caucuses.

Why do I think you would have called our Founders bullies?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
12. Bernie Sanders
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:48 AM
Jun 2016

unc70

(6,501 posts)
15. You might want to see who said that
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:50 AM
Jun 2016

Last edited Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:50 PM - Edit history (1)

I needed the laugh. People should read and think before posting.

I'm waiting for the alert on this OP. Or an alert on this post.

ETA Miles, you've done a service to DU. Skinner probably got a laugh out of this.

ETA2 Should be "read the link" in the first line.

Response to unc70 (Reply #15)

unc70

(6,501 posts)
115. I meant "read the link"
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:13 PM
Jun 2016

My post should have read "read the link" rather than just "read". See if my post makes more sense with that.

I was being very appreciative of your OP and the laughs were from watching certain of the posters attack Skinner's quote. I was almost hoping someone would alert on your OP to see the jury results.

Sorry for making a hash of things. I sent a PM since I'm probably now on your Ignores.

Miles Archer

(23,272 posts)
118. No problem
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:22 PM
Jun 2016

Thank you for this, and the PM. I definitely misunderstood where you were coming from and deleted my original response to you. No harm, no foul. And no, you are not on my ignore list.

Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Tal Vez

(660 posts)
40. A President Trump will be happy to jail supporters of both Clinton and Sanders.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:22 AM
Jun 2016

Once the most politically active members of the left are all locked up in the same football stadium, the enthusiasm for infighting might decline a bit. People should wake up.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
46. Hillary made a great foreign policy speech yesterday, and how did Bernie respond?
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:29 AM
Jun 2016

Brought up yet again the fact that Hillary joined with John Kerry and Joe Biden in voting for the IWR.

If Bernie started focusing his attacks on Trump, Hillary supporters would respect him a lot more.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
48. The Primary isn't over. Sanders will concentrate on Trump when he is the nominee.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:31 AM
Jun 2016
 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
49. She not only voted for the IWR, she made a Senate speech promoting it.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:45 AM
Jun 2016

It's part of her record, and completely fair game to use in an election. I guess she's not as thoroughly 'vetted' as Hillarians are wishing.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
73. + 1
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:25 PM
Jun 2016
 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
50. For my own part, I welcome the trashing.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:12 PM
Jun 2016

I take it the same way I take criticism from Republicans.

My distaste for Hillary's policies and past actions has nothing to do with attacks by her surrogates, for whom I have no respect anyway.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
51. Anyone that allows
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:15 PM
Jun 2016

anonymous posters on the internet to sway their vote is a complete imbecile.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(130,533 posts)
66. I totally agree.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:12 PM
Jun 2016

All of us, on both sides, have just been farting in a whirlwind. This is just an internet message board, after all, and it's merely entertainment. I do recall one poster who made a BFD about how mean the Sanders supporters on DU were, and although he had previously supported Sanders he was now switching to Hillary. He had every right to do so, of course, but that's a seriously dumb reason. On the other hand, being repeatedly insulted by strangers certainly will not influence me to support their favored candidate.

WhiteTara

(31,260 posts)
52. I wish Bernie would set the tone and stop
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:16 PM
Jun 2016

bashing Hillary. It would go a long way to heal the party. He needs to turn his attacks to Trump.

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
60. Sounds great. No more attacks on Hillary, no more attacks on Bernie. I dig.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:30 PM
Jun 2016

And since there are no attacks on Bernie already, the only people who will have to change their behavior are the anti-Hillary people.

And in a week Bernie will become irrelevant, so there wouldn't be any reason to attack him, even if people were doing it now which they aren't.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(130,533 posts)
63. And your services will no longer be needed.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:06 PM
Jun 2016

SidDithers

(44,333 posts)
62. Or if the losing candidate keeps attacking the nominee, instead of the Republican...nt
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:00 PM
Jun 2016

Sid

rock

(13,218 posts)
64. As skinner is cutting us off on the 16th(?)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:07 PM
Jun 2016

and we have a lot of ground to cover, we've actually got to rev up our trashing.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
74. Skinner included a space for that.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:27 PM
Jun 2016
 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
88. So you admit you are trashing and want to rev it up. Good luck with that!
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 07:22 AM
Jun 2016

TDale313

(7,822 posts)
109. Which is stupid and counterproductive
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:24 AM
Jun 2016

Last edited Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:30 PM - Edit history (1)

Trashing Sanders and his supporters when your candidate is already likely to be the nominee and will need the votes is not smart. And yeah, supporters' tone matters too. I see a whole lot of Hillary supporters who never learned how to win graciously. But keep it up. Make it that much harder for those of us not Bernie or Bust to get past the ugliness.

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
75. Like how Bernie trashed Hillary's speech?
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:28 PM
Jun 2016

Act like a sore loser and you'll be treated like one.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
76. Like in poker...nothing worse then rubbing in the win
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:29 PM
Jun 2016
 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
84. Like poker..know when to hold them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away....nt
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:52 AM
Jun 2016
 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
92. Ha Ha..... ya don't "get it" - That we're all in
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:37 AM
Jun 2016

and her aces were up the sleeve

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
77. We'll move past it when Bernie signals he's ready to accept reality.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:30 PM
Jun 2016

Miles Archer

(23,272 posts)
102. A couple of things to consider here
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:33 AM
Jun 2016

Your concept of reality in H-> world doesn't necessarily reflect the reality of the 2016 Presidential election, Sanders' concept of reality will probably never match your reality, if your condition for "moving past it" is that he will "accept" your H-> reality, we're probably not going to move past it.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
104. The only reality I'm talking about is that Hillary has won. Every measure says it's true.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:40 AM
Jun 2016
 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
80. Got to hand it to you, you definitely made a point, looking at all the hidden posts!
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:46 PM
Jun 2016

Miles Archer

(23,272 posts)
100. Yep. And the point is...
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:30 AM
Jun 2016

...every call for civility to date has resulted in an increased flinging of monkey poo.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
87. yep - will be past it next Tuesday
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 07:03 AM
Jun 2016

Miles Archer

(23,272 posts)
117. We'll be past it on Thursday, June 16th
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:18 PM
Jun 2016

That's what Skinner posted. DU will pretty much look just like it looks now on the 7th, maybe a little uglier. We go into GE mode on the 16th, not the 7th.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
93. Have you glanced at thread titles on the front page of GDP this morning?
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:48 AM
Jun 2016

It looks like DU is never going to get past the primary.

Miles Archer

(23,272 posts)
96. I personally do not believe DU is going to get past the primary
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:06 AM
Jun 2016

I've never seen a split like this in the many years that I've been on the site.

My prediction, for whatever it is worth is:

1). DUers who are not pro-Clinton will have a hard time grinding that to a halt on June 16th. While Skinner has said that there won't be "mass bannings" (much to the chagrin of people who have been giddy and orgasmic over the prospect of mass bannings), anyone who decides to voice their displeasure with Clinton or attempts to advocate someone else on the ticket, whether it is Bernie Sanders or a "spoiler," will ultimately get shown the door.

2). DUers who are not pro-Clinton and who also want to retain their membership on DU just won't participate in Clinton discussions.

3). Some DUers will get fed up with 100% pro-Clinton 24/7 and will go on sabbatical until after November

4). There will be a percentage of Sanders supporters who will "rally behind" Clinton, but I have to believe they will do so in relatively small numbers. If a person became a Sanders supporter in the first place, and they had a conviction in being one, there is literally no way that they can just put that on the shelf and "get behind" Clinton.

5). There are basically two options available for DUers on June 16th: Shut up, or get behind Clinton. In no way, shape, or form are those two options going to "get us past the primary." DU is already split, and with the keys to the car being handed to the Clinton Group on the 16th, it comes down to a choice of join the Clinton Group, or shut up, or speak up and get banned.

I'd like to see a different possible outcome, but given the rules that will be in place on the 16th, it's just not going to happen.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
98. I agree. nt
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:10 AM
Jun 2016

Buns_of_Fire

(19,161 posts)
113. That seems to be the most likely outcome.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:44 AM
Jun 2016

And there are a lot of "ignore" lists that are probably not going to be cleared anytime soon (if ever).

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
125. I will be leaving DU on June 10
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:17 PM
Jun 2016

if miracle happens at convention then i will return.otherwise i won't be part of clinton underground.

half of members of DU may be gone after june 16.

Miles Archer

(23,272 posts)
128. I will probably leave for at least a week when Skinner flips the switch on the 16th
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:52 PM
Jun 2016

I don't need to attend the Clinton Group celebration. I've seen enough of it in the last month.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
101. You started it. We're ending it.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:32 AM
Jun 2016
 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
103. Link?
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:35 AM
Jun 2016

Response to B Calm (Reply #103)

Miles Archer

(23,272 posts)
116. And I, in turn, am trembling before your awesome might.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:14 PM
Jun 2016

It's almost like you single-handedly stormed the beach at Normandy and achieved a remarkable victory.

Except you didn't. You succeeded at silencing a few people in an Internet Chat Room.

Still, that doesn't diminish your raw power.

I can see you, sitting at your keyboard, looking like Arnold Schwarzenneger, gaze narrowing behind your dark shades, intensely typing

"You started it.

We're ending it."




WOW! I can see the corners of your mouth, narrowing into a self-satisfied smile as you typed that last period.

"I'll show them who's boss," you probably thought.

And you did. You succeeded at silencing a few people in an Internet Chat Room.

 

opiate69

(10,129 posts)
119. ...
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:27 PM
Jun 2016
 

eastwestdem

(1,220 posts)
127. I haven't seen this happen anywhere but on DU. Here, the Hillary folks have sustained such long-term
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:29 PM
Jun 2016

and brutal attacks that it is only natural for them to fight back, and yes gloat, once their candidate wins. I wouldn't worry too much about the population at large. Most of us can separate our online life from our real ones.

Response to eastwestdem (Reply #127)

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(9,752 posts)
132. LOCKING THREAD
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 08:02 PM
Jun 2016

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