Bernie Needs To Go Away

[CrowCityDem]

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/dnc/20160601_Sanders_supporters_planning_to_rally_at_convention.html

Sen. Bernie Sanders' presidential campaign is seeking a demonstration permit for the day before the Democratic National Convention kicks off in Philadelphia.

The Sanders campaign wants to hold a "traditional Bernie campaign rally" July 24 at FDR Park in South Philadelphia, campaign spokesman Michael Briggs said.

If you needed more proof that Bernie is in this all for himself, and has little to no interest in actually helping the Democratic party win the White House in the fall, here it is. Blatant evidence that Bernie is going to try to steal some of the spotlight for himself, and make the convention as much about him as the actual nominee.

For months, Sanders fans have been asking why so many were complaining about him not being a Democrat before he needed to be for a run. THIS is why. Because he is still trying to give the party the finger, even when any good or decent person would be helping lead the charge to defeat Trump.

Bernie has lost every ounce of my respect.

[Merryland]

1. Hillary Clinton needs to go away -

and I think that pretty soon the FBI will solve this problem for us.

[lagomorph777]

2. Yeah, but if it's after the coronation, she'll campaign from her jail cell

and lose.

[LWolf]

142. .

I know it's not a laughing matter. I just couldn't help it.

[840high]

154. I laughed 2

[StevieM]

170. There is not one word of what you said that is accurate.

It hasn't been a coronation. She isn't going to jail. And she is not going to lose.

[berni_mccoy]

4. +1000

[CountAllVotes]

22. +1,000 !!

n/t !!

[puffy socks]

9. Yep, that's what the Bernie camp of wishful

thinkers has been saying for over a year now.

[Aerows]

60. Thank all that is holy. n/t

[roguevalley]

133. agreed, Maryland. Some people don't get how democracy works. What a repulsive OP

[larkrake]

163. It worked in Vegas, bloviating " well, I never"!

I guess real democrates are suppose to sit on their hands and tape their mouths

[StevieM]

171. Dream on. (eom)

[Matt_in_STL]

3. Oh no! Not every ounce of your respect!!! This is horribly troubling.

How will Bernie ever get past it??? The pain of losing that ounce of respect must be killing him. Hopefully, he'll have the millions of people who do respect him to console him through this tough time of losing the respect of some nameless, faceless internet poster.

[Chan790]

146. Don't worry.

We're talking about a negligible amount of respect to begin with.

Did you ever notice it's the ones that never had any respect in the first place that say shit like this?

[Matt_in_STL]

147. That had caught my attention

It's also the ones who got here long enough to have lost any respect or goodwill anyone might have built up for them.

[Betty Karlson]

5. ...

one more round of that tired old meme: "Bernie should go away". - You wish.

[CountAllVotes]

6. Bernie Sanders is going nowhere

Except straight to that White House place that is!

[puffy socks]

11. Do you really think Hillary will invite him

after the way he's behaved ?

Well maybe she's definitely shown more class and grace than he has.

[CrowCityDem]

18. He can join a tour group, like everyone else!

[puffy socks]

24. ...

[SFnomad]

88. I'm sorry, but that day is booked, I see an availability in about 2025. Does that work for you? n/t

[larkrake]

166. Nah, hes been there a thousand times too

[larkrake]

164. dont bait the poor darlings, I think I caused an ulcer earlier, they are delicate

handle with care

[NorthCarolina]

7. It's obvious, he's in it for

the people. The ones below the top 10% threshold that are mostly considered undesirables, super predators, lazy unmotivated leeches on the government teat, cell warmers for the private prison industry, and meat shields for the volunteer armed forces.

[BootinUp]

15. Attacking the presumed D party nominee, is hardly helping the people.

Suggest you reconsider your blind faith.

[NorthCarolina]

17. Sorry but I am more of a policy and issue voter than

a simple party line voter.

[avaistheone1]

27. Presumed is the operative word in your post.

Hillary has presumed far too much. Her arrogance is primary among her many failings.

She will never be POTUS.

I would much rather see Bernie Sanders an honest candidate who has real commitment to the issues be our next President.

Hillary is weak tea on all levels.

[BootinUp]

30. Her speech yesterday was weak to you? nt

[AgingAmerican]

42. It was weak

She is reacting to Trumps stupidity. She reacted to Sanders and steadily lost ground for a year, and is still receding.

[BootinUp]

45. The only time she even mentions Bernie

is to say he has the right to stay in the race, and that he is committed to keeping Trump out of the WH.

I don't see much agreement with the opinion "It was weak".

[AgingAmerican]

64. Irrelevent

She is doing the same thing, she just has a lot more ammo with Trump. If she wants to get into a shit slinging contest with him, instead of talking about her own policy positions, he wins.

If she merely reacts to his idiotic nonsense, he wins.

[BootinUp]

65. Its time you fess up, seriously,

the ONLY reason she has soft balled Bernie is for better party unity looking forward to the GE.

[AgingAmerican]

69. She threw everything possible at Sanders

Problem was, she didn't have anything to throw at him. All she in her surrogates have on Sanders is a bunch of made-up dramatic nonsense.

[BootinUp]

70. At various times I have attempted to find anything to agree with you on.

I am less and less confident that will happen.

[merrily]

176. Not even close.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/6/1511446/-Clinton-s-Next-Strategy-Slash-and-Burn-Then-Worry-About-Party-Unity-Later

[larkrake]

156. yes, she avoided all policy topics and beamed to be able to crush Trump She is good at bashing

and it was delightful to hear, but it was not a strength. It was schoolyard banter, totally enjoyable but not presidential in tone or delivery, a desperate ploy to get a bump, and she will get one.

[SouthernDemLinda]

187. What it is?

Is it blind faith, a delusion, or is it pipe dream, make up your mind? The two party system is a sham. We're lucky to get one good candidate in the whole bunch!

Yet the stupid masses still vote for them, and cheer when the biggest whore of them all wins.

[BootinUp]

188. So you have issues with our current POTUS?

[SouthernDemLinda]

190. Gimme a Break!

Talk about wishful thinking.

[puffy socks]

29. Is that why he votd for the 94 crime bill?

more cops and mandatory minimums?
Voted For war and military aid in Yugoslavia, Kosovo, Somalia, Egypt, Israel and the 08 iraq liberatoon act..the ousting of Saddam Hussein, the 2000 CFMA , to dump toxic waste in a city of impoverished people?


So obvious he's in it for the working man.

[Sheepshank]

63. plan on this all being ignored....inconvenient truth and all!!! n/t

[SouthernDemLinda]

110. Hillary Clinton’s top donors have, of course, been Too Big to Fail financial institutions

From:
http://crooksandliars.com/2015/12/surprise-bernie-sanders-voted-act-crashed

The Commodity Futures Modernization Act, that greased the skids for banks and other financial institutions to run roughshod without any messy government oversight, was tucked into a bloated 11,000 page conference report when no one was looking, and passed by a lopsided 377-4 margin during a lame-duck session with a veto-proof majority -- not that it needed one.

President Clinton, who had been lobbying behind the scenes in support of the act while publicly harrumphing about the evils of deregulation, signed it into law without batting an eye.

Buried in the act was a yummy provision exempting Enron and other companies from energy trading regulatory oversight.

Not coincidentally, in the years before the energy giant self destructed, it was a generous contributor to Texas Senator Phil Gramm, he of Gramm-Leach-Bliley, and later presidential candidate John MCain’s “financial adviser.” Gramm's wife Wendy was paid over $1 million in salary, stock options, dividends and other goodies from 1993 to 2001 as an Enron board member, but of course was deaf, dumb and blind to the energy company's rampant books cooking with the acquiescence of the late unlamented Arthur Andersen accounting company.

Sanders’ complicity in the passage of the Commodities Futures Modernization Act may help explain his fixation on restoration of the Depression-era Glass-Steagall Act, which barred commercial banks from investing in the very speculative financial deals which contributed significantly to the 2008 meltdown. (President Clinton also supported the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which overturned Glass-Steagall.)

Many of Hillary Clinton’s top donors have, of course, been Too Big to Fail financial institutions, and she has said she would not restore Glass-Steagall, opting instead to better regulate speculators, whatever that means. etc......

[puffy socks]

132. News flash:

Clinton veto would have been over ridden and it was a GOP bill.


Bernie still voted for it the CFMA he gets no excuses --just as Bernie's camp holds everyone else to. You made the standard you live by it.

Hillary is correct reinstating Glass Steagall wont solve the problem --the exact same problem was avoided in mid 90s when the bankers got together to thwart it with Greenspan, Summers, and Rubin. and guess what? Glass Steagall was still in effect at that time. So obviously reinstating it isn't going to solve the problem.

"opting instead to better regulate speculators, whatever that means"

It means regulating the different kinds of collateral backed securities etc. and the CDSs that were supposed to insure defaults were covered..obviously you don't care enough to actually analyze the problem. You'd just rather bandwagon bash Hillary and continue the dumb idea that breaking up banks doesn't touch the systemic problem. It also would add to the cost of banking for customers because of undoing cost effective synergies.

[SouthernDemLinda]

189. It's just some more ratfucking

It's just some more ratfucking - A word used in the Nixon White House for dirty tricks. We will see a lot of ratfucking before this campaign is over. And the media will call it the best speech ever!

From:
GAWKER
gawker.com/why-would-hillary-clinton-criticize-bernie-sanderss
Apr 15, 2016

Brendan O'Connor4/15/16 8:18am
Filed to: Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000

Why Would Hillary Clinton Criticize Bernie Sanders's Vote for Legislation Her Husband Signed Into Law?

At one point during last night’s Democratic debate, Hillary Clinton tried to use Bernie Sanders’s anti-Wall Street message against him. “I’m the only one on this stage who did not vote to deregulate swaps and derivatives, as Senator Sanders did,” she said. “That contributed to the collapse of Lehman Brothers, and started the cascade.”

Clinton was referring to the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000, which Sanders voted for as a member of the House of Representatives—and which President Bill Clinton signed into law. In fact, there were significant differences between the bill Sanders signed, which passed the House by 377 to 4 (with 51 abstentions) in October 2000, and the one that became law. The bill was introduced into the Senate in December, but thanks to its chief architect, Texas Senator Phil Gramm, that body never voted on it. From The Huffington Post: In December, Gramm — after coordinating with top Clinton administration officials — added much harder-edged deregulatory language to the bill, then attached the entire package to a must-pass 11,000-page bill funding the entire federal government. After Gramm’s workshopping, the legislation included new language saying the federal government “shall not exercise regulatory authority with respect to, a covered swap agreement offered, entered into, or provided by a bank.” That ended all government oversight of derivatives purchased or traded by banks. He also created the so-called “Enron Loophole,” which barred federal oversight of energy trading on electronic platforms.
Those “top Clinton administration officials,” according to the Sunlight Foundation, were members of the President’s Working Group on Financial Markets: Treasury Secretary Larry Summers, CFTC Chairman William Rainer, and SEC Chairman Arthur Levitt.

Also, while it is true that Clinton didn’t vote for CFMA, that is a meaningless claim to make, as she wasn’t in the Senate at the time any of the relevant legislation was being considered.

[aikoaiko]

8. Don't worry. It will be fine. The press will hardly cover the assemblahe of Bernie supporters.

This is a moment for Democrats, progressive, and leftists and not just one person.

I think this is a great idea for Bernie to meet with supporters in conjunction with the convention.

[SamKnause]

10. Bernie will fight for us to the very end.

He is an honorable man.

[puffy socks]

33. Perhaps send him more donations to pay off

that yuuuuge campaign debt he has that will probably grow after he's forced to send back all the illegal donations he took in.

[frylock]

50. Link to resource showing Bernie's campaign debt kplxthx?

[bunnies]

71. Sorry to burst your bubble.

[SouthernDemLinda]

121. Sanders’ campaign has relied on small-dollar individual contributions

From:

http://freebeacon.com/politics/feds-flag-thousands-of-illegal-bernie-sanders-contributions/

FEC sends second letter this month to Sanders campaign noting prohibited contributions

BY: Lachlan Markay
February 26, 2016 10:50 am

Sanders’ campaign has relied on small-dollar individual contributions to a far greater extent than any other presidential campaign, including the Super PAC- and dark money-fueled efforts of Democratic rival Hillary Clinton.
The Vermont Senator and self-described socialist is running on a platform of transparency and campaign finance reform, contrasting his grassroots support with Clinton’s high-dollar donors and use of loopholes in federal election laws that allow her campaign to coordinate with outside groups that can accept unlimited contributions.
The FEC sent a letter to the Sanders campaign earlier this month flagging an additional 1,316 “excessive, prohibited, and impermissible contributions” in the fourth quarter of 2015.

The commission also noted disbursements from the campaign that failed to include required documentation.

The Sanders campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Some of the campaign’s legal problems stem from enthusiasm for Sanders’ candidacy from foreign nationals, many of whom have publicly revealed donations to the campaign in violation of U.S. election laws.

“I am German, live in Germany and just donated to Bernie Sanders’ campaign on www.BernieSanders.com simply using my credit card—Is this illegal in any way?” asked a user on the website Quora.
“UPDATE: Donation rescinded based on your answers,” the user later added.
This entry was posted in Politics and tagged Bernie Sanders, Campaign Finance

[Thinkingabout]

180. According to the FEC, they have sent two letters about over the limit donations

Of $2700 per donor, he has ask for an extension on the second letter. He will indeed have to return those donations. He thinks too much money in campaigns and he is not following the current campaign finance rules, why go for more rules.

[anotherproletariat]

47. Most people agree that he is fighting for himself. The best chance of making progress on any

of his issues is to work with the party to push forward legislation that he favors. His current strategy is going to leave him without senate Democratic allies, and push his goals into the background. Therefore, it is not a strategy to "fight for" you. Look closely. He is a man unwilling to accept reality. One who is loving this ride, and doesn't want to go back to his everyday life. Understandable, but not good for his cause, the party, or the country.

[pangaia]

78. "Most people agree that he is fighting for himself"

Bull fucking shit!


"He is a man unwilling to accept reality."

He is the ONLY one who DOES see reality and tells the truth about it.

[anotherproletariat]

82. Enjoy moving over to riotsrus.com next week when your kind won't be allowed here. nt

[pangaia]

85. Proud of yourself?

[anotherproletariat]

87. Actually, yes.

[pangaia]

89. Figures.

[panader0]

92. These proud of themselves idiots want Bernie supporters to back HRC.

Then they insult to the max. How can they be so stupid?

[pangaia]

93. I suspect some/many just have for years had some inner turmoil,

some inner anger issues. It comes out here where they do not have to actually confront anyone face to face.

[panader0]

96. So many of them are 90 day wonders--Joining this year.

They have just about ruined DU for me.

[nadinbrzezinski]

98. The objective was to break barriers

Instead they built walls

Irony

[pangaia]

101. The mirror projection is that 'we' have ruined it for 'them.'

The owner of the site has basically decided to shut up the Bernie supporters, however he chooses to explain it.

In one way it disturbs me, but in another way I can not really fault him. He has run a very good site for many years. He owns it. I guess it is his choice.

[nadinbrzezinski]

104. Myself will watch with perverse pleasure

As the site devolves into an echo chamber not unlike Free Republic.

[pangaia]

109. If that happens, it will be too bad. I will not enjoy it at all.

But I certainly understand your feelings about it...

[panader0]

106. The OP joined on March 30th, the one you responded to joined in Feb.

And tells us long timers that we won't be welcome here. And proud of it.

[pangaia]

108. right.... I almost asked how much he/she was being paid. LOL!!

But, that's the usual copy and paste reply so..

[anotherproletariat]

143. I already told you people...$20 per post

cha ching!

[nadinbrzezinski]

112. Funny thing after the convention...they will

Disappear.

But hey, beds made. Whatever

[pangaia]

185. true...Interesting that a lot of the Hillary side old timers are doing the same thing.

That stuff can go both ways. But to me, maybe because of the candidate I support, I find it bothersome that those on the side of Goliath gloat at the prospect of winning.

I also do not see anywhere that they see the enormity of the difference in the reasons Bernie and Hillary are running for president. It just totally escapes what seems to me to be most of them. ( I don't like using THEY, THEM,, but----)

[anotherproletariat]

144. Yes, it's the Hillary people with anger issues.

They just put Bernie shirts on before rioting last night in San Jose.

[anotherproletariat]

145. No, actually we have given up on the rapid Sanders supporters on DU. There is no way

any of you will ever see reason. We have taken to attacking you instead...all the fun of Free Republic with none of the nausea.

[nadinbrzezinski]

97. Are you going to enjoy it when people sit it out

In November too?

Then perhaps you are correct and progressives should move on to another party.

[rateyes]

130. Pangaia and "her kind" have been around a lot longer

than you and "your kind."

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[PaulaFarrell]

131. Your kind won't be allowed here?

If anyone's kind shouldn't be allowed here it's yours, Mister/Miz Been Here Less Than 4 months and want to ban people

[pangaia]

184. Yeah, I know.. I have nobodu on ignore.

But, I made rules for myself that there are certain folks to whom I will not reply, no matter what.

I just disobeyed my rule.

[lumberjack_jeff]

111. No, they don't.

[MohRokTah]

155. "He is an honorable man."

[Fumesucker]

12. And take his supporters with him

You forgot to finish the sentence.

[Merryland]

26. amen to that.

[Eric J in MN]

153. In DU polls Bernie Sanders gets 80%.

So you're saying 80% of DUers should go away.

[DJ13]

174. Traffic here at DU will collapse

Skinner's 'property' is going to severely lose much of its value.

[bvf]

177. He's always got discussionist

not to mention political connections, I'm guessing.

I doubt he'll take much of a hit, given his obvious allegiances. He's just a businessman, nothing more or less in that respect, and probably gave his ledger a good look or two well before the Big Amnesty.

[libdem4life]

13. First of all he never had your respect .

The rest is an old and tired and worn out meme.

His problem is that he is not a 3rd Wayer, so it took an Independent-turned -Democrat to represent what is clearly half of the party and stand on our traditional long-time values.

The Coronation clearly did not. Sorry, but true.

[Demsrule86]

39. He had my respect and vote in Ohio

but no more...Bernie makes me sick at this point...I have a gay daughter. God knows what would happen to her if Trump wins...and Bernie does not give a damn about the people his action could hurt.

[frylock]

52. Cool story.

[libdem4life]

68. As an aunt with two gay neices, I wrote a reply

but deleted it. It's just an opinion, after all

[anotherproletariat]

67. He absolutely changed the Democratic primary into a spirited race. Props for that.

He accomplished his goal of pushing progressive issues into the forefront, and for that he and his supporters should be proud. I think if you are honest with yourself, you will see that he does not represent "half of the party" but that he was able to bring in people who are not Democrats. This is clearly great, if those people remain engaged and work for liberal causes. However, given Sanders' rhetoric, it will be almost impossible to bring many of his supporters into the Democratic fold.

I will concede that most Dems thought it would be an easier primary in terms of money and time spent by the candidate. Most Hillary supporters were never really worried that she would lose, the concern was over the divisions being caused within the party. I attended a fundraising breakfast yesterday with one of Hillary's senior advisors, and they have firm plans to keep her in the spotlight, no matter what happens in CA. It started with the foreign policy speech yesterday, which pretty much put the primary behind everyone who is watching. Then, if she wins CA, it is expected that Sanders will leave the race, either voluntarily or for all practical purposes because he will lose all media coverage. If she loses, she still will have been declared the presumptive nominee and she has all the Democratic Party 'big wigs' ready for a series of press conferences to endorse her. This will dominate the MSM for the remainder of the week, and it will be difficult for someone who lost the primary (even if he won the biggest state) to make any real impact. Remember that Hillary won CA in 2008, so you can expect to hear about how she handled that loss and worked tirelessly to make sure that her supporters voted for Obama in November.

[forjusticethunders]

116. The problem with Bernie isn't his ideas

It's the fact that he's literally burning down his movement instead of setting it up for further gains. Sanders got 41% of the delegates; he pretty much could have had any number of big consolation prizes if he agrees to unity after the last vote is cast. DWS gone and replaced with someone of his choice, including himself, Senate Majority leader, lots of primetime committees, just about any cabinet position short of VP (or maybe even VP before the meltdown of the discourse). But he had to go full Don Quixote and now he's pretty rapidly making himself radioactive. Keep in mind primary losers have a tendency to lose in their home states after losing a primary and a lot of traditional Dems REALLY dislike Bernie now, because people don't like being called corporate shills or w****es.

Maybe he took that sheepdog shit from the pro-lefts on Counterpunch and stuff personally. The far lefties were basically calling him an Establishment shill for even running as a Democrat and pledging to support the nominee. So he has to get in some shots before the convention to keep his "street cred".

[SouthernDemLinda]

192. "It will be almost impossible to bring many of his supporters into the Democratic fold."

We're not recruiting for the Democratic Party. We are working to elect the most likely candidate that represents our views.

There are two wars going on right now and who really is discussing that? Not the media - that's for sure!

[Cobalt Violet]

14. Bernie is the only one who can beat Trump.

. Clinton is a sinking ship. Her lies have finally caught up with her.

[chascarrillo]

16. A Presidential candidate vwants to hold a rally? BURN HIM!!!

[leeroysphitz]

19. The moaning and wailing and gnashing of teeth from the Clinton camp is like music, sweet music. n/t

[bigwillq]

20. He will very soon, most likely.

Until then, please keep talking about him. I'm sure he thanks you for keeping him front and center on DU.

[chascarrillo]

21. Bernie's rallies are "all about him". Clinton's aren't all about her? What fucked up logic is that?

[beachbum bob]

23. Bernie is done....toasted crispy...

He lost...

[Shadowflash]

25. Oy.

[highprincipleswork]

28. Bernie is most definitely not in this for himself. He's in it for US, and I want him there, and I

will fight with him on the things WE WHO ARE WITH HIM think are important for, well, forever.

So, if you think the Democratic Party is just going to get rid of us, or our ideas, or our feelings about things and the way things should be, and go back to being a brain-dead reaction to a bad Reagan dream, you are sorely mistaken.

[ancianita]

138. From day one. DAY ONE.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

31. Bernie needs to go all the way to the White House.

[Bluenorthwest]

32. Gee, I've heard people on DU express concerns about protests outside the convention

being like 68. If one expects crowds with energy and a desire to express themselves it is very wise to create organized events to allow that expression and to channel that energy. All political conventions have crowds outside the event and of course the people of the city don't get into the hall either. Holding rallies which include those who are not convention attendees is a great idea.

[Zambero]

34. It's time

Bernie has run a great campaign and generated much enthusiasm but he is short of votes and there is no way he will win the nomination. Trump must be defeated, and the stakes are too high to fail in that endeavor. This should be the focus going forward.

[emulatorloo]

35. Unrec. Bernie has every right to do this, and you have no idea what he's going to say.

[RufusTFirefly]

36. Right. Because democracy is only about elections. And nothing else.

Bernie has galvanized support for issues that millions of Americans have been passionate about yet before his campaign got almost no widespread attention.

He has changed the discourse in this country profoundly and will continue to change it, whether he's elected President or not.

Why should he go away?
Thanks to Bernie, we're just getting started.

[RufusTFirefly]

48. Way to keep it classy. n/t

[frylock]

53. Fellating?

[nadinbrzezinski]

99. Some serious anger and maturity issues right here

[larkrake]

159. Amen

[Jester Messiah]

37. Bernie can stay, how about you go away instead? n/t

[RufusTFirefly]

51. +1

Bernie is one of the best things to happen to the Democratic Party.
He is restoring us to our New Deal roots.

Unfortunately, Hillary Clinton is one of the worst things.

[CountAllVotes]

186. +1,000 !!

[pinebox]

38. Can you show us any evidence that Hillary is bringing lots of new people into the party?

[FSogol]

40. Wait until you se this story: Sen. Bernie Sanders' presidential campaign is seeking a demonstration

permit for the day before the the 2017 Presidential Inauguration kicks off in Washington, DC!

[AgingAmerican]

41. Bernie needs to turn the volume up to 11

[Todays_Illusion]

44. Oh howu anti-Democratic and anti-democratic of you OP. I think it is Hillary who should drop out.

You have seen it here, the claim that Bill Clinton campaigned openly as a conservative and now Hillary is and if we vote for them we are voting for the globalist agenda.

Why do you want that for yourself?

[Autumn]

46. Bernie didn't lose what he never had.

you guys crack me up

[frylock]

49. Nope.

[Waiting For Everyman]

54. ***He has 45%, nearly half of the vote***

Not 2%. Not 5%. Not even 10%.

Nearly half. That's the part HRC supporters do not get, and that is a big reason for the friction.

It is a neck and neck election. So don't get all haughty about anything whatsoever. We have just as much right to a say about things as you do.

If Bernie wants to have a gathering in Philly, he will damn well do so. The constant complaining does not help her image.

[Lord Magus]

157. That is not a neck and neck election.

A 10% margin is a landslide, not a close race.

Also Sanders actually at 42.7%, not 45%. A 12.7% percent margin.
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/D

[ancianita]

55. Not fair, and the same as saying millions of his Democratic supporters need to go away.

Berners -- without Bernie -- have already obtained three demonstration permits for the convention period, anyway.

Three weeks ago: http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/05/20/sanders-supporters-secure-rally-permit-near-democratic-convention-in-philadelphia/

Yours is not proof at all. His permit request is not about giving the party the finger; it's about giving his supporters the progressive voice outside or inside the convention. Which they've already arranged for themselves on theirs and his behalf, anyway.

If this is all it takes for you to lose respect for him, you likely didn't have much, anyway, beyond a total misunderstanding of who he stands for.

[CrowCityDem]

56. Here's what I know:

Bernie was never a Democrat. He joined the party so he could run. Now that he's lost, he's still threatening to hold an event outside the convention that will draw attention away from the party coming together around the nominee.

As a Democrat, what am I supposed to respect about someone putting themselves above everyone else, above the party, and above doing the right thing for winning in November?

[ancianita]

61. Do you know he voted 93% with the party? More than the 80% of the average Dem in Congress.

Do you know that his decision to run as a Democrat was the realistic, practical one made from knowing that progressives never even get a voice through third party campaigns?

Do you know that "lost" is still not factually final? That the party hasn't closed the deal for Hillary?

Do you know that this Democratic Socialist has helped revive the historical strengths and appeal to a large population that would otherwise have remained politically disengaged? Do you respect that at all?

The right thing for you and this party is to give credit where credit is due, thank the man for reviving the party by infusing youthful engagement in politics and joining The People again?

This isn't about "doing the right thing" in November. The right thing is to make sure that there is a clear cut choice between candidates to GOTV.

Respect his and his millions of supporters' efforts, even if they're making you feel uncomfortable right now. This process is how we get more of what we want from playing politics for the long haul.

[nadinbrzezinski]

74. So your issue truly is that you find free speech inconvenient

There is a word that comes to mind... hmmm... what am I looking for? Starts with an A... You know who agrees with you on this? George W Bush and Donald J Trump, They both hate demonstrators as well.

[CrowCityDem]

75. I find self-serving people sabotaging my party to be unworthy of respect.

[nadinbrzezinski]

79. Again, your issue is with fnd First Amendment then

Every convention on both parties has this as a feature. This is hardly new. This year, due to dynamics on the ground both will be a hoot to watch, and I hardly mean the proceedings inside.

[CrowCityDem]

83. No, you are flat out wrong.

I never said Bernie COULDN'T do it. I said he SHOULDN'T.

Tell me, when do conventions regularly feature the losing candidates giving campaign speeches outside while the nominee is being celebrated? When do the losing candidates get to make the case that they should have won?

[nadinbrzezinski]

86. They do and have in the past

.lThis primary has disabused me from the notion that people are cry babies and authoritarians on both sides.

As to a recent example, 2012 Republican convention

Or you forgot Ron Paul?

[ContinentalOp]

173. I try to forget Ron Paul, but I suspect that's where Sanders is drawing a lot of his support

[Donald Ian Rankin]

80. I think it's precisely the opposite of that.

Millions of his supporters need to come back, and vote for the Democratic candidate.

My first choice would be for Sanders to endorse Clinton on Wednesday after there is no longer any incentive for him not to do so, and spend the next 6 months helping beat Trump.

Failing that, he should at least stop helping Trump beat Clinton.

[Fumesucker]

84. Why would the Democratic party want the votes of racists and sexists?

We found out within hours of his announcing his run that Sanders supporters were sexists and racists, plenty of posters right here on DU were keeping us informed of every horrible thing they said and did.

No, the Democrats are better off without such people in the party, all they will do is bring down the high standards of inclusiveness and civility the Democratic party is widely renowned for.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

113. Because a vote is a vote.

Even accepting your premise (which, obviously, I don't), it's not relevant.

The Democratic party shouldn't offer to do racist or sexist things to encourage racists and sexists to vote for it, but if they do so even so, great.

[nadinbrzezinski]

95. My personalview

The Dem party is going to reap what they sowed.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

115. I think it's likely that that's true, although obviously I interpret it rather differently.

9 months ago, I was deeply pessimistic about this election cycle - no party has won the presidency three times in a row since the war, except in 1992.

That's all changed now, thanks to Donald Trump. I'm far from certain of a Democratic victory, but I now think it's the more likely outcome, and the prediction markets agree with me.

[nadinbrzezinski]

117. The prediction markets

And the pundits were wrong. He was never, ever, like ever, get the nomination.

The messaging by a core group here has been off putting. The dirty tricks have been historic. Even now people keep sowing the wind.

Oh and yes, I can see Trump winning. I said my piece months ago. Now it is even more likely. Your party is about to make a Weimar Republic level mistake. But please, do proceed. The whirlwind will affect all of us though.

And it has precious little to do with how people vote. Part of that is how stupidly we do elections in this country. Enjoy that harvest though.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

120. I think the Democratic party has done mostly the right things so far.

I think the comparison between Sanders and McGovern has far more accuracy than one between Clinton and the Weimar Republic.

Arguably, O'Malley would have been a better choice than Clinton, but he never got anywhere, and I don't think there was much to choose there either way.

The important thing is that, unlike the Republicans, the Democratic party avoided shooting itself in the foot by nominating an unrealistic, unvetted, dishonest, hardline populist who doesn't care about appealing outside his core ideological constituency, and is consequently now well-placed to win the election, albeit far from certain to do so.

[nadinbrzezinski]

122. You shall see

And myself. I consider neither party my ally anymore

[Surya Gayatri]

57. His welcome has been worn out for about two months.

He's like the obnoxious party crasher who refuses to take the hint, who sticks around, hogging the bathroom, crashing on the couch, and leaving his crap all over the living room.

[BlueStater]

118. Hillary Clinton's welcome has been worn out for about eight years now.

She and her husband are like a couple of spoiled children who think they're entitled to all of the attention all of the time from people.

[840high]

158. Longer than that - starting in Arkansas.

[ancianita]

137. Not an apt analogy since it assumes the election "house" is yours and Hillary's house. It's not.

The man is no guest at your "first woman President" fiesta. Nor has he left "crap" or been a "hog." Bernie's 28 years of good service in Congress made him part owner of this election house and he ain't leavin' 'til he's damned good and ready. When your own party's candidate has been blacked out by fearful establishment media lapdogs, and when Sean Hannity even feels guilty about it, you know this man is not getting due respect.

This "pain in the ass" attitude, added to accusations of "subconscious misogyny" toward millions of young people who've been more sensitive to feminist issues than any generation in history, suggests that the OP and you are among a huge number of thin-skinned sore winners. If you consider your camp the winners.

There has been nothing gained in DU with all this "pain in the ass" attitude from Hillary supporters. I've stayed away from it.

But now that we should be in the "may the best wo/man win" mode, people just can't quit talking shit about Berners or Bernie, instead of challenging his record, agenda or weaknesses as a leader.

Hillary hasn't engaged in these personalized resentments. She and Bernie have engaged in the adult politics. People around here need to shake off GOP general political habits. Because we're going to have NoDrought Trump on the horizon and his folks are enthusiastically united in their stupidity, with plenty of oligarchic money to back it.

[Fast Walker 52]

58. OH MY GOD, HE'S CLEARLY THE WORST PERSON EVER

HOW DARE HE GIVE A RALLY BEFORE THE CONVENTION BEFORE HIS SUPPORTERS!!!

[Lord Magus]

167. You don't see how it's inappropriate to hold a campaign rally after losing an election?

[Fast Walker 52]

183. well it's before the convention, so he technically wouldn't have lost until the convention

second of all, no, if his supporters want to go to a rally after he loses, what's the harm?

[mmonk]

59. If he needs to go away, then so do we.

If we go away, how will you non racist corporatists defeat the racist ones? Do your lords on Wall Street have an answer for that one?

[jack_krass]

62. No (nt)

[Aerows]

66. Some favors come with too high of a price.

[ScreamingMeemie]

72. Bernie is "in this" for me, my children, my family, friends and neighbors...

I am so grateful he has done what the rest of our party was too afraid to do.

[jcgoldie]

73. Bernie Sanders is in this for one thing

Bernie Sanders' ego. He promised to run a positive campaign and he completely abandoned that when it became evident he could not win. My wife voted for Bernie Sanders in the Illinois primary and I voted for HRC. I agonized over that decision because his rhetoric appeals to my values. It has since become evident to both of us that I made the right decision. If Bernie gave a fuck about the ideals he espouses then he would get behind the nominee... but he doesn't... why? Money, ego?

[pangaia]

76. WTF ! Bernie Sanders is NOT in this for himself.

He is in it for other human beings.

THAT is the difference between him and and almost every other presidential I can think of in my long life time..
And ESPECIALLY Hillary Clinton.

Hillary Clinton is in this for herself first.

[ecstatic]

77. What a narcissist! No wonder his colleagues hate him. nt

[dinkytron]

81. Yeah, the guy that is bringing millions of first time voters to the party needs to take a hike

[politicaljunkie41910]

90. The idea that you have millions of first time voters in a presidential year is not new.

In between the 4 year span of presidential election years, millions of people turn 18 and are eligible to vote for the first time. Who knew? This is not some new phenomenon that exists due to Bernie's candidacy. Stop trying to turn Bernie into a saint or some kind of genius. He hasn't done anything that hasn't been done before him. He might have a few more first time voters than Obama, but not enough to change the outcome, that Hillary will have more pledged delegates as well as super-delegates and will be the nominee.

[dinkytron]

100. I was responding to O.P who said Bernie should go away. Don't you think what

Bernie achieved with no super pac $$$ is a game changing milestone? Don't you find value in the empowerment of regular folks?
I call bullshit on your attempt to minimize his achievements.

[azurnoir]

91. the DNC barred Bernie's labor from the platform committee but not Hillary's

it's things like that which lead to a demonstration

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

94. Peace Needs To Be Made

I am a Sanders Supporter, but I think Peace needs to be made between the two camps- Hillary and Bernie. It is not productive for both sides to be at each others throats. Hillary and her People must recognize the power and legitimacy of the Sanders Political Revolution and the Millions of People who support it. That is on the one hand.

On the other hand, The Sanders People must recognize that Hilary is the likely Democratic Candidate. As a Sanders Supporter, I am still hopeful for a strong result in California. Regardless of how that Primary turns out, Bernie has already earned a place at the Table, and Hillary and her People need to acknowledge that and respect that if we are all to go forward to oppose Trump.

Both sides need to develop more respect for each other. The real Enemy at this point is Trump. We need to get past our differences and unite against Trump.

[portlander23]

102. He should go away!

I hear there's going to be a vacancy in the White House ...

[notadmblnd]

103. And many think Hillary needs to go to prison

Too bad so sad that we all can't get what we want. Isn't it?

[HERVEPA]

105. CrowCityDem , not Bernie, needs to just go away.

[QC]

107. BrockBots need to go away.

[skylucy]

114. I agree. This news really concerns me because it will give the GOP

so many "talking points" to help Trump. I still hold out a tiny bit of hope that after June 7th, Sanders will do the right thing and show that he was telling the truth when he said he will do everything he can to ensure that Trump is not president. Every loyal Dem will be watching on June 8th. We will find out if Sanders cares more about himself or more about his fellow Americans. And when he reveals himself, I do hope the Democratic Party remembers that "when someone shows you who they are....believe them." And then the DNC needs to plan their convention accordingly.

[jillan]

119. 10+ million votes need to go away from the Democratic Party.

We hear ya loud and clear

[CrowCityDem]

125. Do you get the difference between speaking on his message (fine) and declaring victory (not fine)?

[jillan]

127. Do you get the difference between supporting Hillary and supporting Bernie?

[CrowCityDem]

135. Playing by the rules vs. expecting them to be rewritten for you.

[SouthernDemLinda]

149. I'm sticking with Bernie all the way to the Revolution!

I'm sure they don't know that if Bernie drops out, after he pays all his bills, the left over funds will go to the DNC. Why give the money to the DNC when they worked against Bernie Sanders.

43 states allow write-ins. Sanders can win. There is a write him in movement.

[jillan]

151. Me too Linda!! No matter what happens, we will all still stand with Bernie.

[Fla Dem]

194. LOL, Bernie won't have any money left.

At the last reporting he had about $5 million left and that was before he really started to campaign in Ca. He'll blow whatever he has left campaigning there. Most of his donors are maxed out. Either they can't afford to give anymore money to a losing effort, or they've reached their $2700 limit. Then once the audit is done on his campaign finances, they'll find many ineligible contributions which will have to be returned. Money from foreigners, and contributions from individuals over the $2700 limit. Bernie will be going hat in hand to the DNC to bail him out.

If Bernie had really been interested in starting a revolution, he would have gotten out of the race and used what goodwill and funds he had to reach out to all his supporters, create an organization that would build on his candidacy and push for the ideals all his supporters thought he believed in. Instead he has created a lot of animosity on the left, depleted his war chest and he will go slink back to the senate where he can rail against the system like he's done for the past 35 years with nothing to show for it.

It will be a major disappointment to all his supporters when they find out their hero has feet of clay.

[rateyes]

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[Logical]

124. Another Hillary fan still stirring up the shit. FFS, stop it already. Are you stupid? nt

[CrowCityDem]

128. I'm not the one planning to declare 'victory' while the convention nominates the other person.

[Logical]

136. There are many Hill supporters smart enough to start being nice, then there is you. nt

[bkkyosemite]

126. The disgusting comments in your HRC Grp regarding Bernie getting out is just plain pathetic.

You really are looking for unity...give me a fricken break.

[CrowCityDem]

129. And the fever dreams about indictments aren't?

[bkkyosemite]

134. The disrespect towards the man has been rampant since day one!

[cliffordu]

139. Derp

[MrMickeysMom]

140. You beat me to it....

Derp!

[cliffordu]

141. Lol. I got faaaast thumbs.

[Number23]

148. He sure as hell does. A month ago would have worked for me and, judging by his # of delegates,

most Democrats too.

[Eric J in MN]

150. Sanders will spread his message to more people

...with that event:

- Single Payer.
- Free tuition
- Legal marijuana
- Carbon tax
- Bigger Social Security benefits

[840high]

160. .that^

[larkrake]

161. Thats what a revolution is-silenced voices rising in harmony

[indigoth]

162. It seems pretty obvious

That Bernie sanders is "in it" to help the common American citizen regardless of which party you back.

And that seems far, far, FAR more important than any political party

[Jack Bone]

168. What are you talking about?

"It's not me.....It's WE"

We're gonna have a rally, big deal

Make it like a Woodstock for Bernie Beatniks...why the hate?

[MFM008]

169. Its going to be very difficult

for many to make the transition on June 16 away from nominee bashing.

[StevieM]

172. I'm supporting Hillary and I don't want Bernie to go away. I look forward to hearing

him speak in prime time at the Democratic Convention.

[potone]

178. What has happened to this site?

I took a few hours off, and this is what I come back to??? Why can't the Hillary supporters just wait for the convention instead of bashing Bernie for having the unpardonable audacity for actually running for the Democratic nomination in the Democratic primaries? These Hillary supporters need to calm down and stop harassing Bernie and his supporters!!!

My goodness, I have never seen such pearl-clutching and vapor-salts=grabbing in my life! Some of these Hillary supporter need to take to their fainting couches until the primary in California is over.

I am glad that we Sanders supporters are made of stronger stuff.

[bvf]

179. Whatever will he do without

your ounce of respect?

https://m.

[99Forever]

182. You asked for it, you got it.