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Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:26 PM Jun 2016

Doesn't this idea that superdelegates should take "momentum" into account give an unfair advantage

to late-voting states? Are the results from a state somehow more significant when the state happens to vote late in the process rather than early? Or is this just folks desperately grasping at straws here?

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Doesn't this idea that superdelegates should take "momentum" into account give an unfair advantage (Original Post) Nye Bevan Jun 2016 OP
No more so than telling a quarter of the population libdem4life Jun 2016 #1
CA isn't 1/4 of the population. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #3
Nor has anyone been told not to vote Renew Deal Jun 2016 #9
Right. Go take the day off work to vote. .. libdem4life Jun 2016 #11
There are winners and losers Renew Deal Jun 2016 #18
Who said anything about California? libdem4life Jun 2016 #10
yes we should shut down everyone's rights to free speech so bernie can win. sure why not? nt msongs Jun 2016 #20
It's a nonesense argument relying on the delusion that there actually is 'momentum'. There isn't. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #2
Math lesson...going from 5 percent to near 50 percent. libdem4life Jun 2016 #17
Super Tuesday I and II, Wisconsin, NY, etc. None provided momentum. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #19
Ok, then. libdem4life Jun 2016 #23
All too often the early voting states have an evern greater unfair advantage, SheilaT Jun 2016 #4
it's a fantasy, not reality. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #5
The search for reasons for the SDs to flip is like a scavenger hunt. JoePhilly Jun 2016 #6
Hillary is favored to win every state with polling Renew Deal Jun 2016 #7
I think those asking fir the super delegates to overturn the will of the voters hrmjustin Jun 2016 #8
Do you have a link for that nugget of wisdom? libdem4life Jun 2016 #13
Hillary has won more votes and delegates. hrmjustin Jun 2016 #15
The system is so broken that it cannot be fixed nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #12
Supers won't Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #14
It's straw-grasping. NanceGreggs Jun 2016 #16
The concept of "momentum points" is a bedrock principle of #berniemath Tarc Jun 2016 #21
Yes. This is not the United States of MineralMan Jun 2016 #22
what HRC said grasswire Jun 2016 #24
It's about looking at the whole enchilada. -nt- NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #25
 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
1. No more so than telling a quarter of the population
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:29 PM
Jun 2016

not to bother voting...the winner has already been declared
.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
11. Right. Go take the day off work to vote. ..
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:42 PM
Jun 2016

for the winner or loser. Not.

And egging on one candidate to "drop out"?

Democracy at its finest. Not.

Renew Deal

(81,844 posts)
18. There are winners and losers
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:00 PM
Jun 2016

That is the nature of things. I encourage people to do everything they can to vote. It matters.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
17. Math lesson...going from 5 percent to near 50 percent.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:59 PM
Jun 2016

Guess you missed that and all of the assorted math-infused graphs. Then there is the opposite..but why be tiresome. Proceed.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
4. All too often the early voting states have an evern greater unfair advantage,
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:32 PM
Jun 2016

and voters in the later voting states are completely shut out.

My state votes, or at least the polls close next Tuesday. I've already voted there, and I want my vote to count.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
5. it's a fantasy, not reality.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:32 PM
Jun 2016

hypothetically, what Sanders is proposing is appalling and thoroughly anti-Democratic.

But, there's zero chance of it happening so it's mostly a disingenuous talking point

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
6. The search for reasons for the SDs to flip is like a scavenger hunt.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:33 PM
Jun 2016

It could go almost anywhere, and find almost anything ... to make the case.

Renew Deal

(81,844 posts)
7. Hillary is favored to win every state with polling
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:34 PM
Jun 2016

She is likely to win VI, PR, NJ, NM. That's not counting CA where she is a favorite and ND and SD that have no polling.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
8. I think those asking fir the super delegates to overturn the will of the voters
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:34 PM
Jun 2016

don't really believe in democracy.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
13. Do you have a link for that nugget of wisdom?
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:48 PM
Jun 2016

My understanding is that the SD vote should be representative of the current political situation rather than based on early commitments. Like before there was.just candidate.

We won't know the will of the voters...by definition. ..until they actually VOTE.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
15. Hillary has won more votes and delegates.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:52 PM
Jun 2016

First place finishers a win, not second place finishers.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
12. The system is so broken that it cannot be fixed
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:44 PM
Jun 2016

that is all I am going to say. Front loading wth CONSERVATIVE states, assures a CONSERVATIVE neolib dem, See, we both can play that game.

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
14. Supers won't
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:49 PM
Jun 2016

They will vote for the Hillary as she has the most delegate and hope Bernie goes away as he is now an also ran...and can do nothing worthwhile: not that he ever did...a canned shallow speech is all he ever offered.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
16. It's straw-grasping.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:53 PM
Jun 2016

There is no such thing as "momentum" in state-by-state primaries.

It could be said that BS had "momentum' after his win in NH, but it didn't carry through to the southern states that followed. It could be said that HRC had "momentum" after she swept the southern states, but it didn't carry through to the western states that followed.

States vary in population, demographics, etc., and voters often focus on issues specific to their state. People in one state do not vote for a candidate simply because they won elsewhere.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
24. what HRC said
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 08:24 PM
Jun 2016

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- For the second time in three days, Sen. Hillary Clinton told reporters that the pledged delegates awarded based on vote totals in their state are not bound to abide by election results.

Sen. Hillary Clinton lags behind Sen. Barack Obama in the popular vote and in pledged delegates.

It's an idea that has been floated by her or a campaign surrogate nearly half a dozen times this month.

Sen. Barack Obama leads Clinton among all Democratic delegates, 1,622 to 1,485, in the latest CNN count. Among pledged delegates, Obama leads Clinton 1,413 to 1,242.

"Every delegate with very few exceptions is free to make up his or her mind however they choose," Clinton told Time's Mark Halperin in an interview published Wednesday.
"We talk a lot about so-called pledged delegates, but every delegate is expected to exercise independent judgment," she said.

Clinton's remarks echoed her Monday comments to the editorial board of the Philadelphia Daily News.

"And also remember that pledged delegates in most states are not pledged," she said Monday. "You know there is no requirement that anybody vote for anybody. They're just like superdelegates."

Clinton also made similar comments in a Newsweek interview published two weeks ago.

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