Elizabeth Warren as Hillary's running mate is bad for one reason, she would be powerless as VP.

[JRLeft]

I rather have her in the Senate. We need more soldiers on the front lines fighting for the people.

[bigwillq]

1. I would rather have Warren in the Senate as well (nt)

[Algernon Moncrieff]

2. It's also bad because Mass has an R governor

We would certainly get another round of Scott Brown.

Alternatives Warren supporters might like: Bernie Sanders (nothing like the obvious) or Al Franken.

[Tarc]

7. Well that's the part that doesn't much matter, as the D's control the legislature

When Kerry entered the race in 2004, the laws at the time would have allowed Governor Mitt Romney to nominate a temporary replacement, so the legislature stripped that power from him and created a special election. Then they flipped it back in 2009 to have Gov. Patrick be able to name a replacement for the recently-deceased Ted Kennedy's seat.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

10. Didn't they control the legislature when Scott Brown was installed?

Not being snarky - it's a question. The only thing I know about Mass politics was that the Big Dig was a fiasco and Whitey Bulger's brother was the state house speaker.

[Tarc]

15. If they had left things alone after stripping Romney of his powers in 2004

Mass would have been down 1 senator for 4-5 months. The new bill allowed the governor to again nominate a temporary replacement until a special election could be held. Patrick was then able to nominate Paul Kirk to fill the seat until the election.

There, Martha Coakley ran the mother of all god-awful campaigns, and he slipped by with 52%.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

18. I forgot that I also knew that about Mass politics - Coakley

Is she done now? She has a talent for snatching defeat from victory's jaws.

[Lord Magus]

32. Scott Brown wasn't installed, he was elected. -nt-

[JRLeft]

8. Wall Street wants her as VP to render her powerless and it allows a clown to fill her seat.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

13. She'd have a pretty big megaphone as Veep

[JRLeft]

14. The VP's job is to push the president's agenda her and Hillary are on different ends of the

spectrum.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

17. I'm not sure people thought Joe Biden and Barack Obama had a lot in common in '08

Barack Obama would be the first to tell you that Joe Biden has been a helluva good VP.

[TwilightZone]

24. Warren and Clinton are not on different ends of the spectrum.

They hold similar positions on the vast majority of issues. Believing otherwise doesn't make it true.

Warren will endorse her in roughly a week and she'll be a great asset for the Clinton campaign.

[immoderate]

28. No. Hillary is a Reaganite. Elizabeth isn't.

--imm

[MrMickeysMom]

46. And...

Results of your jury...

On Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:24 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

No. Hillary is a Reaganite. Elizabeth isn't.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2119995

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

labeling the Democratic nominee as a Republican

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:31 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Ever heard of "Reagan Democrats"? There's a difference.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Would have been evident, but I commented anyway.

[immoderate]

47. It's my position that ALL presidents since the eighties have been Reaganites.

Basically, supply siders. They think rich people create jobs when they have too much money, etc, and we should help them become richer.

It appears that, that is what they believe. The Clintons, and Obama buy into this. I've been pointing this out for years. This is the first alert.

Thanks for posting that, and for the vote.



--imm

[Lord Magus]

33. Elizabeth Warren doesn't seem to believe she and Hillary are on different ends of the spectrum.

I would say she knows better than you.

[JRLeft]

34. Hillary is better than a far right republican, but she's still a Republican.

[Lord Magus]

38. This is literally no different than Nader supporters calling Gore a Repubilcan. -nt-

[Lord Magus]

42. Facts matter, JR.

Your declaration that Hillary is a Republican is totally fact-free.

[JonLeibowitz]

44. Hillary has said that her political convictions are rooted in conservatism.

[TheCowsCameHome]

3. No way, for a variety of reasons.

[-none]

4. Why do you think some people are pushing that?

That is what the 1% want, to silence her.

[Txbluedog]

5. VP can be a very powerless position

Also, I have my doubts about a all female ticket's electability

[immoderate]

30. Mixed sex tickets always lose. All winners have been same sex.

--imm

[yallerdawg]

6. Powerless.

Like Biden?

Cheney?

Gore?

Elizabeth Warren likes to get things done. 1 out of 100 in a Republican Senate is power?

I remember Gore breaking ties in the Senate. Cheney was Bush's brain. Biden moved Obama on multiple occasions, and always has his ear!

I think Elizabeth has done her best work when she didn't have an office of tremendous authority. When she got things done from behind!!!

[JRLeft]

11. Biden has been powerless he has to do what he is told.

[napi21]

9. I don't think Warren would be powerless in ANY JOB!

She would be able to go directly to the heads of all the diff. departments, like Cheney did,, and move her (and the President's) agenda forward. She'd be able to directly contact her colleagues in the House & the Senate to promote their agenda as well.

All responsible VP's have that ability, though not all use it.

If you actually think the position prohibits any personal power, how do you explain Biden and
Cheney.

[JRLeft]

12. Shit, wait until Hillary asks her to push neoliberal policies.

[Marrah_G]

22. She would be required to promote Clinton's agenda

[Arazi]

16. Agreed. Besides, I don't want her tarnished by the Clintons

[srcameron]

19. Think Not

I think she's better not having to play the game and follow the decorum that expected of the Democratic nominee, which the Republic nominee refuses to follow. Right now, Elizabeth Warren is kind of like our street fighter and I don't want to see her muzzled, so I'm skeptical over how this will help us.

[NorthCarolina]

20. Best possible scenario for the people would be

Bernie as POTUS and Warren as Senate Majority Leader.

[Marrah_G]

21. It would neuter her and we need her voice

[Lizzie Poppet]

23. I suspect that would be very popular with Hillary's paymasters.

Can't have populist actions getting more of a push in the Senate, after all.

[Demsrule86]

25. We need to win the general...she will do nothing in the Senate if Trump wins

and we can not lose the courts...if she can help us win, and I think she can, she would be invaluable as VP. She has shown she can attack Trump...excellent choice.

[Tal Vez]

26. I think that she could be effective anywhere. She's very good.

[elleng]

27. Yes and no.

I do understand your position, and it's probably a frequent one. I do wonder what a relationship between hrc and Warren would be like, 2 strong women, with different points of view on many important issues.

[B Calm]

29. Democratic leaders would replace her senate seat with another third way. They

would silence a good liberal voice. They are thinking they can pull this stunt off and at the same time win over Bernie voters for Hillary. So that said, hell no, I think it's a terrible idea!

[JRLeft]

36. It's pretty fuckin obvious.

[JonLeibowitz]

45. Yup. Not gonna fall for it here, no siree. As if a useless VP nod convinces me anything about Hill

[totodeinhere]

40. Massachusetts has a Republican governor who would presumably appoint

a Republican to that seat. Democrats are attempting to find a way to get around that so we shall see.

[sueh]

31. I agree. Warren would be much more effective in the Senate.

[TimPlo]

35. No No you are looking at it wrong

Warren as VP would be Lyndon B. Johnson of our time. So picture this but with Clinton in place of Nixon.

[immoderate]

48. Dere's dat.

--imm

[Warren DeMontague]

37. So then let's take a Senator from a state with a solid progressive governor.

Merkley or Wyden, for starts.

[totodeinhere]

39. If Liz gets on the ticket it will be for one reason and one reason only.

It will be an attempt to mollify Bernie supporters and get them to support Hillary. But personally I don't think it will work. It will be seen as cynical pandering, something that Hillary is good at.

[840high]

43. Agree.

[ThePhilosopher04]

49. It's bad because she would lose all credibility. Not going to happen.