CNN Is Directly Told NOT TO INCLUDE SUPERDELEGATES In Their Count...

[AzDar]

[SFnomad]

1. The denial of reality is getting stronger every day n/t

[AzDar]

2. Agreed. There WILL BE NO NOMINEE until the Convention...

[SFnomad]

3. LOL ... um, yeah, the official nominee ... but the Presumptive Nominee will be named on June 7th n/t

[TimPlo]

46. In case you don't know....

Presumptive Nominee:
"In United States presidential elections, the presumptive nominee is a presidential candidate who is assured of his or her party's nomination, but has not yet been formally nominated by his or her political party at the party's nominating convention.[3][4] Ordinarily, a candidate becomes the presumptive nominee of his or her party when his or her "last serious challenger drops out" or when he or she "mathematically clinches—whichever comes first.

A candidate mathematically clinches a nomination by securing a simple majority (i.e., more than 50 percent) of delegates through the primaries and caucuses prior to the convention."

I do not think Clinton is going to win >80% in CA to meet the number she needs of pledged delegates. Say anything other is just being biased for some reason.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

51. Your quote says, "delegates"

NOT "pledged delegates". You are making up new rules NOBODY is going to follow.

[TimPlo]

53. So how can she win the Super Delegates before the convention then?

They do not official vote till then. They can vote any way the want. We don't know if they are going to switch they vote the when the actually vote. Anyone that says other wise is basking assuming they are going to vote the way they say. They are not bound by any deals as that is illegal. It is not making up new rule they are the rules. If can't see that then you can't think for yourself and just are lead around by the media telling you something.

[SFnomad]

60. It's amazing how disingenuous you people can be ... when SDs have committed, you can count them.

Could they change their vote? Sure ... But in practice, it doesn't happen very much ... and when it does, it almost 100% of the time goes TOWARDS the candidate with the Pledged Delegate lead.

In 2008, Obama was called the Presumptive Nominee when he had the majority of Pledged Delegates and had enough committed SDs to put him over the top ... he NEVER had enough Pledged Delegates by themselves to EVER put him over the top. And they called him the Presumptive Nominee days BEFORE Clinton withdrew from the race, so you can't use that as an excuse either.

[senz]

9. They can't stand that, AzDar. They need their little phantom "victory"

because if they didn't feel like "winners," they'd feel just ... awful.

They need to strut. They need to gloat.

They need to act like Republicans.

[AzDar]

23. It's so WEIRD...If one truly believes something, repeating it like a mantra isn't necessary.

"CAN'T WAIT FOR (ARBITRARY DATE) SO NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO POST CRITICISMS OF THE KWEEN!!!"

If you don't believe this, I've seen... YOU NEED TO SEE A PSYCHIATRIST!1!!

[Lord Magus]

37. Just like it was "phantom" victory when Obama became the presumptive nominee on June 3, 2008?

He needed supers to put him over the top after all.

[Lord Magus]

36. There is NEVER a nominee until the convention. That's why the convention exists.

But it's rather like how there's no new president until inauguration day. There's still a president-elect after a candidate wins enough states to reach 270 electoral votes. There's always the technical possibility that the electors (since they're actual people and not just numbers assigned to the states) could choose somebody other than the winning candidate when the electoral college convenes, but the winning candidate is still considered the president-elect.

Likewise, we have a presumptive nominee when one candidate reaches a majority of all delegates through any combination of pledged and super. It's technically possible that superdelegates could vote for somebody else at the convention, but the candidate with at least 2383 delegates (I reiterate, there has never been a requirement that it be with pledged delegates alone) is still the presumptive nominee.

[ThinkCritically]

55. But...

super delegates don't vote until July so in this case, in this election, if she doesn't reach 2383 pledged delegates after DC, then we will have to wait to see how super delegates vote.

[Lord Magus]

56. Superdelegates didn't get to vote until August 27 in 2008 and Obama needed them for the nomination.

He was still the presumptive nominee after June 3. I don't know why you refuse to understand the idea of a presumptive nominee.

[PowerToThePeople]

4. Too little, too late.

DNC can go to hell.

[MADem]

10. No one is forcing you to be a Democrat.

If you don't like our system, find one you like better and put your heart and soul into it....and fair winds and following seas, best of luck to you, etc.

Don't get mad, get busy.

Go where you're celebrated, don't stay where you're unhappy. Life is too short.

[PowerToThePeople]

14. Thanks for the advice.

[Jester Messiah]

44. Fair to say some of us are being forced out.

Which is fine. See how you do without half your base.

[MADem]

48. If you leave, it's because you CHOOSE to leave. No one is "forcing" anyone out.

The bottom line is this--you can't always get what you want. I've faced that disappointment, too. But I didn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I sucked it up, and I helped elect a Democrat to the WH. And in time, I became one of his biggest fans.

It can happen.

[Jester Messiah]

49. If you don't eat a big plate of steaming feces, it's because you CHOSE not to.

Yeah, real valid "choice" there.

[MADem]

50. Not sure what your point is, there. You paint a rather disgusting picture, though.

You, too, have actual choices, but if you want to hang around, you're going to have to correct your POV. See, your crew tried but they didn't succeed. You're going to have to deal with the winner now, like it, or not. That's just not negotiable.

If you don't like it, there are other parties that no doubt could use some earnest hard workers. Crabbing and griping is understandable but there will come a point in time where you're either with us or you're on to something else. We've got an election to win and a guy named Trump to defeat. You can help if you want, or you can go support one of those third party candidates if your 'principles' don't allow you to continue on because we're so dreadful, or whatever.

[ThinkCritically]

58. How many times have Bernie Sanders supporters tried to change the rules,

using the rules put in place by the DNC, and got rejected? In Nevada, they put out motions for a recount and they were ignored. The chairperson created rules that gave her all authority regarding the process, the rules, and the committees. She stated that the rules that were put in place could not be challenged. She basically made herself the top authority, set new rules, passed them without a proper vote, and set another rule that blocked people from challenging her. I mean, come on. At some point you have to admit that Bernie Sanders supporters are democrats, they are a part of the party, and the fact they want to change some of the rules shouldn't mean you completely dismiss them as republicans, pie eyed, or whatever the hell else you accuse us of being. Listen, this election has gotten downright nasty. I'm no different than I was in 2008 when I voted for Barack Obama, nor am I any different since I voted for John Kerry in 2004. And I'm definitely no different since I voted for every down ticket democrat since 2002 when I turned 18. Nobody can say I don't have the right to try to change rules I think are unfair or undemocratic within the democrat party. And I'd appreciate people stop calling me a republican, violent, sexist, racist, or stupid just because I support Bernie Sanders. Any criticism I have ever made has been clearly directed at Hillary Clinton and not her supporters. And I only criticize her on issues I think she needs to be criticized about. But I have been told some really nasty things by Hillary supporters and it's getting ridiculous.

[MADem]

59. You don't change the rules in the middle of the game.

The time to discuss these desired changes was four years ago at the DNC meeting following the LAST convention--when Sanders wasn't even identifying as a Democrat.


It's rather like sitting down to a chess match and after the third or fourth move, declaring that pawns should be allowed to move like knights, "because Bernie," or something. That's just not acceptable.

[Lizzie Poppet]

62. Exactly: mission already (almost) accomplished.

SD counts, stacked early primaries...perhaps I should say "momentum accomplished."

The DNC can go fuck itself.

[Grassy Knoll]

5. .

[AtomicKitten]

6. The corporate media is doing Hillary a solid by counting them in.

It eliminates any pretense of a free and fair election.

[Lord Magus]

38. The media has counted them in every primary since 1984.

Was the "corporate media" doing Obama "a solid" during the 2008 primary when they named him the presumptive nominee on June 3? After all, he only reached a majority with the help of superdelegates, who didn't actually cast their votes until August 27.

[AtomicKitten]

43. Throughout the 2008 Democratic primary, the MSM kept separate tallies for pledged v. super delegates

At the end of the contest, Hillary sent an 11-page memo to super delegates asking them to give her the nomination instead of Obama arguing that she was the stronger candidate, and Bill Clinton personally called the delegates arguing that America would not elect a black man. That strategy failed, and she conceded four days later.

[Democrats Ascendant]

7. Whatever. The media always counts them.

Once someone publicly announces, it's hard for them to backtrack; it's one of the few things politicians don't flip flop on. Counting them is totally legit because they are an intended part of the process.

[senz]

12. Like the DNC rep in the video said: SDs shift.

Some think they're a cool way for an establishment candidate to circumvent democracy, but they're not.

[Lord Magus]

40. The only candidate asking for the supers to circument democracy is the "anti-establishment" one.-nt-

[Trajan]

18. Really?

I've been watching elections since Goldwater vs LBJ, and I have NEVER seen them, ever ... (ah .. Goldwater ... I wonder who Hillary supported in 1964 ..')

I'm guessing you lie for a reason ...I'm guessing you are a supporter of that one person, and that you arrived really this year, as part of a specIfic team whose very goal is to lie and cheat ...

It's well known .. It's common knowledge ... We know you are here ...

And now, both you and your lies are gone ... Kaput ...

At least you still get the money ... AKA filthy lucre ...

[Democrats Ascendant]

22. Hah! You got me. I am the Clinton-Devil herself! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

Why you gotta go so hateful and assume all that shit about me?

[nc4bo]

8. Too late assholes but they already know that. They also

Are well aware of how the Ministry of Propaganda is used by TPTB as a tool to shape public perceptions amd deceive the watching sheep.

One example: How many voters know that Hillary bought 300 delegates even before the primary began and MSM never said a single word about it while they were touting Clinton's SD lead over Sanders'.

They all lie and deceive. The media. The DNC. Establishment Dems. The surrogates. The Clinton superPACS.

What a cesspool they've all revealed themselves to be.

I find them all to be completely unworthy of my trust.

[MADem]

17. No one is holding you hostage, you know.

You have choices--find a party that suits you better, if you don't care for the Democrats. Work hard and help to grow that party.

Expressing your distaste on a board called Democratic Underground might make you feel better, like you're beating us up, or something, but it's not going to change who the nominee will be.

[nc4bo]

21. Bullshit.

I don't have a dump truck big enough to haul that loogie you just hacked up.

The party is corrupted.

[MADem]

24. No--the party doesn't meet YOUR needs. It's not "corrupted"--it just isn't doing what YOU

want it to do, which is crown the loser (by MILLIONS of votes) the winner.

And all the spitting, screaming, huffing, puffing, and yelling "bullshit" at me and talking lamely about loogies ain't going to make a fig's worth of difference. You come across as petulant and ineffective when you take that tack.

You've got choices, here. You can deal with the reality within the organization, or you can take your ball and go home, and look around for another organization that better suits you.

Hanging around saying "You guys suck--so there!" is no way to go through life. Go, find somewhere that fulfills your ideological needs, and work hard within that organization to grow it. But don't expect our party to nominate the guy with the fewest votes because that is what you want. It doesn't work that way.

[nc4bo]

27. We will be working to remove as many corrupted 3rd way

DLC cronies as we can.

NO voter should be forced to pick the lesser of two evils.

No voter should have to wonder why a politician inder FBI investigation is running for potus.

No Democratic voter should have to worry that a fucking Democrat would consider cutting Social Security.

No Democratic voter should witness the rebuilding of another country's infrastructure due to illegal wars while our own infrastructure crumbles.

The party is corrupted. End
Stop.

[MADem]

28. If you don't like the party, if you don't like our nominee, if you don't like the

way we do things, move on. Find a party that you like and get busy. But don't, for a second, think that The Losers get to make the rules or issue demands. That's not how it works.

Also, insults and name-calling aren't the best way to win people to your side. Pro Tip.

And Fitzmas ain't coming, either.

You have choices--exercise them.

[nc4bo]

30. Corrupted to its soul. nt

[MADem]

33. Why are you still here, if we suck so badly?

Corrupted to our SOULS, we are? Then we can't be redeemed! We're beyond saving, then!

Why are you still here? Run, run while you can, lest YOU be corrupted, too!

[nc4bo]

34. Your bait is stale. Real stale. You might want the use-by date. nt

[MADem]

35. You're the one tossing out the chum, here--not me.

I am a HAPPY Democrat. I like my party, I like my soon-to-be presumptive nominee, I like this site that celebrates DEMOCRATS and their successes.

I'm not the one griping about how awful things are--you are.

It's a fair question, and you keep avoiding it. Why are you here, if we suck so much?

[nc4bo]

39. I'm a Democrat, derp.

Only Republicans want their folks to walk in lockstep.

Are you a Republican or wanna be?

You keep asking me stupid questions.............

[MADem]

42. You keep insulting me, and insulting the party of which I am a member.

So, "derp" aside, it's not difficult to see why you come across as someone with no love for the party I've supported for very many decades.

Our party is a big tent and doesn't demand "lockstep," but when you get into serious insult territory, it sounds like bashing and trashing and de-motivating to me--that's unhelpful and suggests you don't have the best interests of the party or its candidates at heart. If that's not your intent then you might want to re-examine your approach.

[LizetteWest]

25. Maybe you will need to find a party after the establishment is purged and the people take back

the party as we seen happen over the last year?

Everything always comes full circle, so be prepared!

[PowerToThePeople]

26. This is the plan.

Or at least my current plan. I reserve the right to modify my plan at any time.

[MADem]

32. My candidate will be declared the presumptive nominee in a few days.

I won't need to be find joy elsewhere--I think I'm happy in the party I've been in for more years than many here have been alive.

I've got a better view of that "arc" than many, too. We are a better party today than we were before LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act.

We still have more work to do, but we'll get there. I think, once again, we're choosing a wonderful, supremely qualified candidate this time around, and I know that the current POTUS and VPOTUS, along with many in the Senate and House, will help her get elected.

The day she is sworn in will be a tremendous celebration. It'll be a great day, an historic one.

I can't wait!

[peace13]

54. How many know that Hillary took the money she promised to support super delegates campaigns..

And that of other state candidates? Why the heck isn't more being made of this?

[beachbum bob]

11. Sorry...they will call it over June 7th.... for hillary wins

Its done...over.. for sanders

[senz]

15. Well then get ready for a surprise or two.

[MADem]

13. The Superdelegates have NEVER determined who the nominee is.

85 percent of the delegates at the convention are selected by the voters.

Seems to me it's all much ado about nothing, then.

[beachbum bob]

16. I guess you missed every primary of last 40 years

Obama won because of the supers

[MADem]

20. I guess you didn't watch the video, did you?

LOL!

Go back and watch the video, now.

[Lord Magus]

41. No, he won because he won the majority of pledged delegates.

He needed superdelegates to get to a majority of all delegates (2210 delegates that year), but if superdelegates did not exist then the victory threshold would've instead been 1783. A lot of people seem to forget that if superdelegates were abolished, they'd be subtracted from both sides of the equation and the amount of delegates that constitute a majority would be lower. Thus, every single primary between 1984 and 2016 would have the exact same outcome without superdelegates.

[Dem2]

19. in a few days we will have a better idea what's going on

I can wait

[CobaltBlue]

29. AzDar—Which option best describes CNN … ?

• Clinton News Network
• Corporate News Network
• Corrupt News Network

[AzDar]

47. All pretty spot-on... but #1 seems to fit best these days.

[Uncle Joe]

31. I wouldn't buy a used car from Jake Tapper.

Thanks for the thread, AzDar.

[Rex]

45. Well of course not, there will be no exit polls so why include the count of SDs?

CNN will do what they are told to do.

[Peachhead22]

52. Hurry up and close that barn door!

Nevermind that it's way too late! /s

[MFM008]

57. The A.P. will call this race over

The minute she gets the 65 delegates.
And a convention is just a formality.

[Tarc]

61. They will do so anyways, there's really nothing to be done about that

CNN and every other network will declare Hillary the nominee on June 7th.

It's over.