2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders’s Final Few Days of California Dreamin’
But if youre talking pledged delegates only, 50 percent plus one is 2,026. You never see that number, and I guess I understand why2,383 is the number, officially. But 2,026 is a majority of pledged delegatesyou know, the ones you win by persuading voters to pull the lever with your name on it. Ive been mystified as to why the Clinton people arent pushing more awareness of the 2,026 number. If the situation were reversed, we can be sure that Jeff Weaver would be all over cable denouncing the mere existence of 2,383, that strutting harlot of a number!
So its next Tuesday night in California. The state-by-state delegate scenario that I played out above has occurred. Clinton is at 1,939, needing just 87 delegates out of California to hit 2,026. Do you know how badly Sanders would have to beat her to limit her to 86 delegates? No, you dont. But I do. Hed have to win by 82 to 18 percent. That would net Bernie 309 delegates out of California and would get him to 2,026, while shed have 2,025.
That isnt going to happen. Whats going to happen, even if Sanders wins the state by, say, three or four points, is that he will net about 20 delegates, but she will still have won around 225 or 230, meaning she will exceed 2,026 by about 150 delegates, and Sanders will be short of the magic number by about the same amount. And then therell be a little cherry placed on the sundae the following Tuesday when the District of Columbia votes and Clinton wins big and nets another 10 or so delegates.
So thats the unfuzzy math. It has nothing at all to do with the superdelegates Sanders and Weaver have spent months traducing. Its pledged delegates, earned in the voting booth (or at the caucus hall). Superdelegates will never, ever, ever undo such an outcome, and they never, ever, ever should. In a season when Sanders people have alleged a rigged system and sometimes outright theft, that would be the only actual case of theft in this seasonfor superdelegates to tell the voters sorry, you made the wrong choice when you chose your candidate, who is (incidentally) the first woman nominee in our partys history.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/03/bernie-sanders-s-final-few-days-of-california-dreamin.html
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Check out Brand New Congress. We will not be quitting ever.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)This revolution is going to take over the Democratic party, just watch!
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)and so necessary. We will win because we have to.
msongs
(67,395 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Last legs, I tell you.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)college students who foolishly thought that Sanders could deliver trillions in new entitlements to them. It was the most shameless pandering I can ever recall.
LonePirate
(13,417 posts)The pressure on him to concede will be immense once the polls close in New Jersey, even more so after they close in California.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Your attempts to stifle the enthusiasm are unsuccessful. We are Pumped!!!!
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(12,769 posts)LonePirate
(13,417 posts)Sometime within the next two weeks, Bernie will give a speech saying he is suspending his campaign.
No candidate ever says they are going to drop out but that is what always happens when they realize the race is over for them.
TimPlo
(443 posts)You are thinking as a rational person, when need to think like a crazy super fan. The only thing that matters to them is Winning, not changing this country for the better. That has been the goal for last 20+ years. Only thing that matters is the White House to them. And they have let the (D) lose a majority of the country to the GOP. But we still had a POTUS that got nothing done.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)It isn't true of course. Things like an unjust economic and justice system, climate change and war negatively affect us all in the end. I am just glad to see our side continuing the energy and ideas.
TimPlo
(443 posts)The ones who are not rich think they are going to be any day now so they buy into the whole trickle down crap. My brother is one of those people. Bitch all time about lazy people wanting Free Stuff, but he is first one to try and cheat on his taxes.
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(12,769 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)And that's good news if you don't want to see Trump as president.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)In the movie Dumb and Dumber, Jim Carey was pursuing Lauren Holly. He asked her what his chances were to date her. She responded that it was one in a million at which point Carey responded with the classic line "SO YOU'RE SAYING I'VE GOT A CHANCE". That folks, represents the current position of the average Bernista.....BLAH HA HA HA HA HA
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(12,769 posts)TimPlo
(443 posts)That all they get. Hell a poll of idiot America showed that over 40% of people think that someone should still be elected POTUS even if convicted of a felony. That is so funny that someone could not vote for themselves but could win the Whtie House and some think that is OK.
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(12,769 posts)anyway.
tandot
(6,671 posts)We have to come together and this doesn't help.
I have been pretty pissed about the constant anti-Hillary posts by certain DUers ... at this point, I don't think they are Democrats. They are intend on dividing us. We have to get the sane Sander's supporters to unite with us to defeat Trump. Just stay positive until 6/16
Tal Vez
(660 posts)I will be there voting.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)(2,382 Needed to Win) -
Clinton - 2313
Sanders - 1547
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_delegate_count.html
The accusation that somehow the Superdelegates are undemocratic, and that they should be used to undemocratically hand the nomination to Sanders because he is against the undemocratic process is absurd. It's hypocritical to the max, and it's the reason I stopped supporting Sanders even though I have been a fan of his for over a decade. #Imwithher
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)...I'd have to hold my nose to vote for him in November. His superdelegate argument is that toxic.