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RandySF

(58,768 posts)
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:03 AM Jun 2016

Bernie Sanders’s Final Few Days of California Dreamin’

But if you’re talking pledged delegates only, 50 percent plus one is 2,026. You never see that number, and I guess I understand why—2,383 is the number, officially. But 2,026 is a majority of pledged delegates—you know, the ones you win by persuading voters to pull the lever with your name on it. I’ve been mystified as to why the Clinton people aren’t pushing more awareness of the 2,026 number. If the situation were reversed, we can be sure that Jeff Weaver would be all over cable denouncing the mere existence of 2,383, that strutting harlot of a number!

So it’s next Tuesday night in California. The state-by-state delegate scenario that I played out above has occurred. Clinton is at 1,939, needing just 87 delegates out of California to hit 2,026. Do you know how badly Sanders would have to beat her to limit her to 86 delegates? No, you don’t. But I do. He’d have to win by 82 to 18 percent. That would net Bernie 309 delegates out of California and would get him to 2,026, while she’d have 2,025.

That isn’t going to happen. What’s going to happen, even if Sanders wins the state by, say, three or four points, is that he will net about 20 delegates, but she will still have won around 225 or 230, meaning she will exceed 2,026 by about 150 delegates, and Sanders will be short of the magic number by about the same amount. And then there’ll be a little cherry placed on the sundae the following Tuesday when the District of Columbia votes and Clinton wins big and nets another 10 or so delegates.

So that’s the unfuzzy math. It has nothing at all to do with the superdelegates Sanders and Weaver have spent months traducing. It’s pledged delegates, earned in the voting booth (or at the caucus hall). Superdelegates will never, ever, ever undo such an outcome, and they never, ever, ever should. In a season when Sanders people have alleged a rigged system and sometimes outright theft, that would be the only actual case of theft in this season—for superdelegates to tell the voters sorry, you made the wrong choice when you chose your candidate, who is (incidentally) the first woman nominee in our party’s history.



http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/03/bernie-sanders-s-final-few-days-of-california-dreamin.html

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Bernie Sanders’s Final Few Days of California Dreamin’ (Original Post) RandySF Jun 2016 OP
You are dreamin' if you think it ends in a few days or even months. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #1
Went canvassing tonight in LA -- the support for Bernie's ideas are only growing! JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #3
I'll be out all weekend. Looking forward to it. The Brand New Congress idea is great Live and Learn Jun 2016 #5
yeah bernie was pretty useless the past 26 years in congress..he certainly needs a do over! nt msongs Jun 2016 #25
Another petty post. What a surprise. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #26
No, the center will continue to rule. We will not be moved. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #7
Nope, the third way is on its last legs. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #11
We win and we're on our last legs ? You should go into comedy. BLAH HA HA HA HA HA Trust Buster Jun 2016 #14
You haven't won yet. And you should have been able to win by a landslide. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #20
We would have won by a landslide if Sanders wouldn't have flooded small caucuses with Trust Buster Jun 2016 #24
Bernie will concede no later than June 17th, quite possbly within the next seven days. LonePirate Jun 2016 #8
Obviously the poster was talking about the ongoing progressive revolution in the Democratic party JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #9
They really don't get it. That is okay, they will someday soon. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #12
I'm not trying to stifle anything. I'm simply pointing out a fact. LonePirate Jun 2016 #13
See you just don't get it do you? TimPlo Jun 2016 #10
Well some of them think they are benefitting from the way things are. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #15
Yea same with many GOPers. TimPlo Jun 2016 #18
Yup, we all know some of those people. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #19
Sanders is staying in. Deal with it. Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #2
The Sanders crowd reminds me of one of my favorite movie lines. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #4
You really don't get it. But that is your loss. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #6
Win win win win win win win TimPlo Jun 2016 #21
Well, if Clinton and her private prison endorsers get their way, most of the country will be felons Live and Learn Jun 2016 #23
OK ... can you just stop inciting? tandot Jun 2016 #16
So long as there is a Democrat running for president in November, Tal Vez Jun 2016 #17
Now she needs just 69 more delegates to win per CP: ucrdem Jun 2016 #22
Yes! TeacherB87 Jun 2016 #27
It's also why if Sanders pulled off a miracle and won a majority of pledged delegates... Lord Magus Jun 2016 #28
That's nice. See you at convention. Go Bernie! aikoaiko Jun 2016 #29
See you then. RandySF Jun 2016 #30
Pesky dandruff aikoaiko Jun 2016 #31

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
1. You are dreamin' if you think it ends in a few days or even months.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:05 AM
Jun 2016

Check out Brand New Congress. We will not be quitting ever.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
3. Went canvassing tonight in LA -- the support for Bernie's ideas are only growing!
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:08 AM
Jun 2016

This revolution is going to take over the Democratic party, just watch!

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
5. I'll be out all weekend. Looking forward to it. The Brand New Congress idea is great
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:11 AM
Jun 2016

and so necessary. We will win because we have to.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
24. We would have won by a landslide if Sanders wouldn't have flooded small caucuses with
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:40 AM
Jun 2016

college students who foolishly thought that Sanders could deliver trillions in new entitlements to them. It was the most shameless pandering I can ever recall.

LonePirate

(13,417 posts)
8. Bernie will concede no later than June 17th, quite possbly within the next seven days.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:12 AM
Jun 2016

The pressure on him to concede will be immense once the polls close in New Jersey, even more so after they close in California.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
9. Obviously the poster was talking about the ongoing progressive revolution in the Democratic party
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:13 AM
Jun 2016

Your attempts to stifle the enthusiasm are unsuccessful. We are Pumped!!!!

LonePirate

(13,417 posts)
13. I'm not trying to stifle anything. I'm simply pointing out a fact.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:16 AM
Jun 2016

Sometime within the next two weeks, Bernie will give a speech saying he is suspending his campaign.

No candidate ever says they are going to drop out but that is what always happens when they realize the race is over for them.

 

TimPlo

(443 posts)
10. See you just don't get it do you?
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:14 AM
Jun 2016

You are thinking as a rational person, when need to think like a crazy super fan. The only thing that matters to them is Winning, not changing this country for the better. That has been the goal for last 20+ years. Only thing that matters is the White House to them. And they have let the (D) lose a majority of the country to the GOP. But we still had a POTUS that got nothing done.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
15. Well some of them think they are benefitting from the way things are.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:20 AM
Jun 2016

It isn't true of course. Things like an unjust economic and justice system, climate change and war negatively affect us all in the end. I am just glad to see our side continuing the energy and ideas.

 

TimPlo

(443 posts)
18. Yea same with many GOPers.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:22 AM
Jun 2016

The ones who are not rich think they are going to be any day now so they buy into the whole trickle down crap. My brother is one of those people. Bitch all time about lazy people wanting Free Stuff, but he is first one to try and cheat on his taxes.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
4. The Sanders crowd reminds me of one of my favorite movie lines.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:10 AM
Jun 2016

In the movie Dumb and Dumber, Jim Carey was pursuing Lauren Holly. He asked her what his chances were to date her. She responded that it was one in a million at which point Carey responded with the classic line "SO YOU'RE SAYING I'VE GOT A CHANCE". That folks, represents the current position of the average Bernista.....BLAH HA HA HA HA HA

 

TimPlo

(443 posts)
21. Win win win win win win win
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:26 AM
Jun 2016

That all they get. Hell a poll of idiot America showed that over 40% of people think that someone should still be elected POTUS even if convicted of a felony. That is so funny that someone could not vote for themselves but could win the Whtie House and some think that is OK.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
23. Well, if Clinton and her private prison endorsers get their way, most of the country will be felons
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:30 AM
Jun 2016

anyway.

tandot

(6,671 posts)
16. OK ... can you just stop inciting?
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:20 AM
Jun 2016

We have to come together and this doesn't help.

I have been pretty pissed about the constant anti-Hillary posts by certain DUers ... at this point, I don't think they are Democrats. They are intend on dividing us. We have to get the sane Sander's supporters to unite with us to defeat Trump. Just stay positive until 6/16

 

TeacherB87

(249 posts)
27. Yes!
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:00 AM
Jun 2016

The accusation that somehow the Superdelegates are undemocratic, and that they should be used to undemocratically hand the nomination to Sanders because he is against the undemocratic process is absurd. It's hypocritical to the max, and it's the reason I stopped supporting Sanders even though I have been a fan of his for over a decade. #Imwithher

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
28. It's also why if Sanders pulled off a miracle and won a majority of pledged delegates...
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:33 AM
Jun 2016

...I'd have to hold my nose to vote for him in November. His superdelegate argument is that toxic.

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