What The Heck Is This "It's Not Over Till The Convention" Business ?

[Grassy Knoll]

It's OVER, Comprehension 101. New Jersey. Pop Goes the...! ...How Bizarre.

[hollysmom]

1. you are not the boss of me or most people in the world or maybe no one -

get used to it.

[Grassy Knoll]

2. Exactly My Point

Delivery a tad week, Remember though, a wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse ~ Rod Stewart.

[stevenleser]

10. "You are not the boss of me"? That's five year old stuff.

Every four years at the end of the primaries if not before, we have two presumptive nominees, one from each party.

[Garrett78]

16. For the life of me, I don't know why so many are acting like this year is any different.

2008 was even closer and Obama was even further from the magic number, yet he was the presumptive nominee shortly after the last primary. Why would Clinton (who will end up with a greater percentage of delegates than Obama had in 2008) not be the presumptive nominee even earlier this time around?

[SheenaR]

24. It's actually quite sad

That you can't tell the difference. Like truly sad. Since you paint yourself as a middle of the road type of person who will support HRC as the nominee (despite every post being an endorsement of her)

Barack Obama, a man with few to little qualifications beat Sec Clinton. Yet he was not the subject of an FBI investigation. Our front runner is in 2016. Thus an entirely different scenario than 2008. Literally light years apart

[Garrett78]

37. Ha, middle of the road. I'm pretty damn far to the left.

It's just that I don't think this FBI investigation is as substantial as you and others think it is (or wish it to be). Clinton's been the target of scandalization for decades, and while this email-server issue may actually carry a bit of truth/weight to it (as opposed to all of the other non-scandal scandals), I'm quite confident it won't sink her. It certainly doesn't change the fact that she's the presumptive nominee once she achieves a majority of delegates, as has been the case every other time.

[Jack Bone]

32. Why did she give up in '08?

She suspended her campaign....she did it all on her own...when she did that, it made Obama the presumptive nominee.

Sanders isn't suspending anything...he's in 'till Philly...so there'll be no presumptive nominees this year.

[Garrett78]

38. That isn't what made him the presumptive nominee.

He was the presumptive nominee because of the numbers.

[peggysue2]

53. Yes!

It's that damn math again.

[scscholar]

3. It's about hurting Hillary...

by not allowing her to pivot to the GE.

[Live and Learn]

4. You, so don't get it. nt

[Grassy Knoll]

8. We Put The Lime In The Coconut ...

[JudyM]

29. (shhh! we're part of a conspiracy, you didn't get the memo?)

[QC]

9. My lord, I've grown to hate the word 'pivot.'

Another perfectly good word made into a cliché, like 'pragmatic.'

[Grassy Knoll]

18. Like Division, Perhaps?

Hmm?

[Jack Bone]

44. I always think of this....LOL

[QC]

47. Yes! Exactly. n/t

[Grassy Knoll]

62. Yes! Exactly. n/t

[scscholar]

75. You need to be more pragmatic about the word pivot (ntxt)

[SheenaR]

25. Gotta actually be involved in the GE

Before you can pivot there

[LWolf]

74. No.

It's not about Hillary. It's not about Bernie. It's about defeating neo-liberalism, it's about turning the Democratic Party back into a party for the 99%, and keeping it relevant.

[alcibiades_mystery]

5. A month ago they thought they'd win the pledged delegates

Now that they can't and see that a California landslide for Bernie is a massive joke, and see that the pledged delegates from New Jersey and California expose their campaign for the comedy it is, they move the goalposts on down the road.

[SheenaR]

26. Link?

To where a month ago someone said Bernie would win the pledged count? Not a maybe or a perhaps. A link where someone reputable said he would win that.

The comedy is the most famous woman in the world struggling and having to campaign in June against a 74 year old avowed Socialist

[TimPlo]

6. No matter who you or Clitnon think they are.

The DNC can not just hand it to her. That is unless she gets a majority of delegates off of just pledged delegates. If DNC proclaims that she is nominee with Sanders still in the race and she does not have the majority with out counting Super Delegates, then they are being corrupt. That is not something I nor anyone else made up it is the rules of the DNC party. The Super Delegates do not vote until the voting at the convention and they are not pledged to vote for Clinton. I know many here think that the DNC should just give it to her and ignore the party rules but that is just wrong.

[LoverOfLiberty]

11. Its not the DNC

Its the voters. Pesky thing that Democracy, no?

[TimPlo]

15. Are you this lacking in how the convention works?

Seriously the voters do not elect anyone, the delegates do at the convention. There are two types of delegates at the convention. Ones that are pledged(ones assigned via % of votes and must vote for the assigned candidate) and there are Super Delegates(Ones that do not have to note a set way.) If Clinton does not have enough of the pledged delegates to have a majority then it is up to the SD to vote at the convention. No matter what people say that is the way it works, that is unless Sanders drops out, then Clinton can be named the nominee. Why do people even want her to get the nomination with out following the rules, I just don't get it.

[LoverOfLiberty]

20. Are you lacking in how democracy works?

Hillary will have the majority of pledged delegates. Also the Superdelegates (not democracy) and the popular vote (also not democracy)

What else do you people want?

Actually, you don't have to answer that, its pretty clear what you want.

[SheenaR]

30. Funny thing is

Our democracy allows for our Supers to prevent a god damn train wreck from losing the GE. Not our fault those are the rules. You all reminded us Tad Devine made them.

[LoverOfLiberty]

34. We don't need supers to prevent the Sander Train Wreck

because apparently, Democratic voters are on top of things.

[nadinbrzezinski]

68. Next you will tell me you vote for president

No you don't. Neither the convention or November are direct elections. Nope, not direct democracy.

[Joe the Revelator]

19. Are you just being obtuse for the sake of obtuseness?

[LoverOfLiberty]

21. Do Sanders supporters hate democracy?

Or are you just being obtuse?

[Joe the Revelator]

22. Waiting for the convention to actually pick a nominee is supporting democracy

[LoverOfLiberty]

28. Trying to overturn the will of the electorate

is not only undemocratic, but downright dictatorial.

[SheenaR]

31. The electorate chooses pledged delegates.

No will can be overturned. Good try though. Every vote is represented by a pledged delegate.

Really good try

[LoverOfLiberty]

33. And Hillary will have the majority of pledged delegates come Tuesday night

glad we are in agreement.

[SheenaR]

43. Pledged delegates are pledged delegates

700+ supers have every right to vote as they wish

Glad we agree.

[LoverOfLiberty]

49. Pledged delegates are separate from superdelegates

and Hillary has the majority of both! And the popular vote!

But you Berners believe that he should win? How is that democratic? How does that coincide with our Democratic values?

[LoverOfLiberty]

40. And Hillary will have the majority of pledged delegates come Tuesday night

why is that so hard to understand?

[SheenaR]

45. Because that literally has no bearing on the nomination

But it's funny to watch you pretend it does

[LoverOfLiberty]

57. It will be funnier watching Berners

cry out and weep when everyone but them accepts that Hillary is the nominee.

Actually, no, it will be sad because you all have made it clear that you will burn the earth to the ground in an attempt to get Sanders the nomination he hasn't earned.

[Joe the Revelator]

36. Talk to the DNC then, about their installation of unpledged delegates.

Bernie Sanders didn't make the system, but he damn sure should use it.

[LoverOfLiberty]

42. If you honestly think that SDs are going to overturn the will of the electorate

then you aren't a Democrat, you are a authoritarian.

[SheenaR]

46. Lol

Then you don't know what SD actually are. I remember my first election too.

[LoverOfLiberty]

50. Hoping and wishing and dreaming

to overturn the will of the electorate.

Aint happening this time around.

[Joe the Revelator]

48. I didn't invent SD's

They were created for a reason. Not by me. Not by Bernie.

[LoverOfLiberty]

52. What about democracy

and the will of the people don't you guys get? What kind of country do you want to live in where the will of the people is overriden by a select few?

I agree that SDs have a purpose, but it isn't to give Bernie the nomination.

[Joe the Revelator]

54. Is it to stop an indited candidate from killing the party?

[LoverOfLiberty]

55. Despite your wishes and desires

Hillary has not and will not be indicted.

[Joe the Revelator]

56. Ah, another fortune teller.

[LoverOfLiberty]

58. Has not? TRUE!

Will not?

Is your crystal ball more clear than mine?

[Joe the Revelator]

60. Huh?

[Samantha]

39. And that is one of the reasons we keep hearing prominent Democrats telling Bernie to drop out

Then she could be legitimately the Presumed Nominee.

Sanders had it right when it said neither he nor Clinton would have enough delegates to cinch the nomination before the convention.

Sam

[Arkansas Granny]

65. No one is handing her the nomination. She has earned it.

The nomination will not be given to her, she has worked for it and has received the most votes and pledged delegates. Most of the super delegates have already announced their support.

To keep insisting that she is not the presumptive nominee is either willful ignorance or outright denial.

[geek tragedy]

70. If she wins the pledged delegate count she is the only legitimate nominee

and they'd be morally bound to support her. Bernie would have zero moral legitimacy to seek to disenfranchise the millions of women, black and Latino voters whose votes gave her the majority.


There is no special double standard that gets applied to Bernie because he is so dreamy or against Hillary because she is a woman.

The candidate who wins the voting and has majority of all delegates is the legitimate winner.

That is democracy, not corruption, regardless of the sour grapes.

[NCTraveler]

77. Well said. Nt

[k8conant]

7. I wish Condescension 101 were over:

It's amazing that so many folks are impatient and can't let things happen in due time.

[LoverOfLiberty]

13. We'll talk Tuesday

when the voices of victory will drown out the salt.

[SpareribSP]

66. The convention is next Tuesday?

[stevenleser]

14. It would be, if convenient revisionism 101 were over. nt

[ProgressiveEconomist]

12. It's the "NEW RULES"

segment of the egotistical, opportunistic, cynical and sleazy Bernie Sanders Show. These new rules say that it's optional whether or not a sore loser spends nine figures coordinating attacks on the first-ballot nominee with Republicans, for three months after anybody who can count would have conceded.

[leveymg]

17. It's not over because the FBI is about to report she violated federal felony statutes

Do you really think she will be a viable nominee in that case? Unless you can answer with an unambiguous yes, It isn't over until the Party picks a new nominee.

[Grassy Knoll]

23. All You can do Do Is Dream...

[leveymg]

27. I can read and think for myself, thank you.

Not sure if that's the case with everyone in the room.

[Grassy Knoll]

35. We Are All Concerned

[leveymg]

41. Fine. Camp out on the tracks. Have fun. Just move before the 5:05.

[Grassy Knoll]

51. One After 909 I'm Hoping

[Aerows]

59. I'm on the run.

Ten more minutes then I'm gone.

[grasswire]

61. What Hillary said

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- For the second time in three days, Sen. Hillary Clinton told reporters that the pledged delegates awarded based on vote totals in their state are not bound to abide by election results.

Sen. Hillary Clinton lags behind Sen. Barack Obama in the popular vote and in pledged delegates.

It's an idea that has been floated by her or a campaign surrogate nearly half a dozen times this month.

Sen. Barack Obama leads Clinton among all Democratic delegates, 1,622 to 1,485, in the latest CNN count. Among pledged delegates, Obama leads Clinton 1,413 to 1,242.

"Every delegate with very few exceptions is free to make up his or her mind however they choose," Clinton told Time's Mark Halperin in an interview published Wednesday.
"We talk a lot about so-called pledged delegates, but every delegate is expected to exercise independent judgment," she said.

Clinton's remarks echoed her Monday comments to the editorial board of the Philadelphia Daily News.

"And also remember that pledged delegates in most states are not pledged," she said Monday. "You know there is no requirement that anybody vote for anybody. They're just like superdelegates."

Clinton also made similar comments in a Newsweek interview published two weeks ago

[Meteor Man]

63. Because it's not over until the convention

Pretty confusing I know. I'm also pretty sure the ground rules even say that it's not over until THE VOTE is taken at the convention.

This will sound pretty outlandish, but even if every single Hillary supporter at DU said it was over, it still would not be over until the convention. Very confusing, yes?

Now try to keep up. Here it comes. Are you ready?

It's NEVER over! Even after the convention, it will still not be over.

[Grassy Knoll]

64. .

[Maedhros]

67. Bernie should fight until the last possible second,

if for no other reason than to vex those who want him not to.

[larkrake]

69. Democracy.

its not over til its over

[NurseJackie]

71. Why can't he just get it through his head ...

[Gothmog]

72. Denial is not just a river in Africa

[bvf]

73. What the heck

is this "What The Heck Is This "It's Not Over Till The Convention" Business ?" business?

[Lil Missy]

76. It's called "play pretend". According to Skinner we are not going to "play pretend" after the 15th.

Bernie supporters can pretend we don't know the outcome of the Democratic Primary but common sense dictates otherwise.

[Arazi]

78. I'm actually starting to get amused with Hillary supporters' irritation

It has a perverse effect and makes me want to dig in my heels even harder