Sanders to run on Green Party Ticket with Stein(?)

[NewsCenter28]

Before a rally in Santa Monica, Senator Bernie Sanders was asked by KABC-TV 7 News political reporter Elex Michaelson about the offer by Jill Stein, the Green Party’s presumptive presidential nominee, for him to run with the Green Party. Sanders response left open the door to running as a Green. He could have easily rejected the offer of a Sanders-Stein ticket, instead he said: “Right now, our goal is to win the Democratic nomination.”

Speechless and horrified.

[MFM008]

1. because its all about HIM

always has been.

[senz]

3. No. The ONLY candidates who are in this for themselves are Clinton and Trump.

And you can have both of them.

[MohRokTah]

10. Sanders is an egomaniacl corrupt dishonest and dishonorable man. eom

[ThinkCritically]

22. I'd like

proof of him being dishonest, corrupt, and dishonorable. Links.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

87. Yes... still waiting.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[pangaia]

106. Do not bother with MohRokTah.

He/she, while probably a very sweet person in real life, is one of those never worth the effort. never, ever.

[Cal33]

108. How about the Donald Trump University, for one off the top of my head? Link below:

Last edited Sun Jun 5, 2016, 04:03 PM - Edit history (1)

He probably meant Trump.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_University

[Karma13612]

25. Buh bye. I thought I already had you on ignore. Eom

[PowerToThePeople]

62. .

[dchill]

67. Pure projection, plain and simple.

[Skwmom]

11. No. He is all about the people.

[msongs]

14. he sold out his values for cash to campaign as a democrat lol nt

[brush]

128. Hmmmm? Never heard it put quite that way.

Seems he saw that he could never get the national name recognition and TV debate exposure he needed to run for president as a little-known, independent socialist from a small state, he made a calculation to suddenly join the Democratic Party.

He started off great by saying he would never go negative against Clinton and the party but once he started losing his, non-stop attacking of the party and Clinton has made me lose a considerable amount of respect for him for going back on his word.

[ucrdem]

16. He's all about the people who really, really hate Democrats.

It's a simple message and it sells.

[Jitter65]

24. Not to mention his disdain for Hillary. He will join Jill just to keep Hillary out but he doesn't

want Jill to be President either. He is really sexist thru and thru. Check out his personal life with women.

[ucrdem]

33. LOL yes that would be ironic, wouldn't it?

Bernie seems to think he's discovered some rich new vein of political gold when all he's really tapped into is a tired old tin mine of anti-Hillary hoo-haw.

[Ghost Dog]

96. Checked it out. And..?

...In '96, he faced a Republican named Susan Sweetser. And she paid an investigator to look into his background. Cathy Riggs called his ex-wife....

Sanders in his Outsider book devoted nearly three pages to the episode. “She contacted my ex-wife, Deborah Messing, from whom I’ve been divorced for over 25 years,” he wrote. “Deborah contacted her friend and neighbor, Anthony Pollina, who used to work with me, and Anthony contacted me. Deborah and I then talked.

“Clearly, Riggs was hoping to find a disgruntled ex-wife who would spill the beans on her former husband. But that was not going to happen with Deborah, who has been remarried for over 20 years. While we don’t see each other very often, we remain good friends, so Deborah told Riggs where to get off. Her sentiments were reflected all over Vermont.”...

Sweetser, seeing that this attempt at a thorough vetting of Sanders had backfired, denounced the woman her campaign had hired. “I want to make it clear to the people of Vermont that Cathy Riggs went too far,” she said. Too late. Sanders trounced Sweetser, winning the election by more than 20 percentage points...

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/bernie-sanders-vermont-119927#ixzz4AcT1kuxO

[pangaia]

107. Thanks for taking the time to post that little tidbit. :>)))

I just refuse to waste my time with most of them, although I occasionally fall off the wagon.

All they have to do is read his book and they will see who Bernie really is.

[BillZBubb]

81. No, wrong as usual. It's people disgusted with Third Way "Democrats".

[DrDan]

42. spot on - he loves the applause and adulation

[Octafish]

56. Like the time he took millions for speeches?

And used his office to help UBS?

Oh, wait. That was someone else.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511200048

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

88. Right on!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[ThePhilosopher04]

64. Wrong. If he did, it would mean he's in it for us

considering he's the only candidate who truly cares about the people. You know this to be true.

[dchill]

66. Pure projection, plain and simple.

[pinebox]

114. Actually it isn't

A Google search will turn this up for you
http://www.salon.com/2016/06/02/dont_rule_it_out_bernie_sanders_slightly_leaves_door_open_for_green_party_run_with_jill_stein/
http://www.salon.com/2016/04/25/jill_stein_pens_open_letter_to_bernie_sanders_green_party_presidential_candidate_invites_sanders_to_cooperate_on_political_revolution/

[CorporatistNation]

100. Bernie Is Intent One Way Or The Other In Saving US From The CORPORATIST OLIGARCHY AND THEIR PUPPETS

We shall see what happens... This is truly in the hands of the SUPERS... given that this is the process in play this cycle... Do they really want t take the risk... of a Republican Congress.... you know... choosing who will be President... ? Hmmm?

[Karma13612]

28. +100

[bvf]

34. It's astounding how such straight talk

enrages some people. They seem to prefer words like "enhance," and phrases like "I'll look into it," and "Bosnian sniper fire."

Yeesh.

[Cal33]

115. But such straight talk attracts the majority of the American people, some 55% to 60%

of whom want Bernie for president. The majority of Americans trust Bernie more than
they trust Donald or Hillary.

[flor-de-jasmim]

36. Spot on!

[Shadowflash]

54. +1000

Yup.

Just because HRC is, doesn't mean EVERYBODY is so conniving and calculating.

[demmiblue]

68. +1

[Jackilope]

78. +1000

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

89. Ding! Ding! Ding! We hava winner!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[jeff47]

98. This. (nt)

[pangaia]

109. bravo !!!

[PoliticAverse]

4. Sanders will not be running third party. Glad I could help clear that up for you. n/t

[Ken Burch]

5. You know perfectly well Bernie won't run third-party in the fall. n/t.

[StevieM]

18. Agreed. I think he stumbled on his words. No big deal. (eom)

[JackRiddler]

46. He didn't stumble at all.

His answer was a very polite "get lost with this question, I want the focus on the matter at hand."

[StevieM]

124. OK. I wasn't looking for a fight. I was simply saying that there is nothing to discuss here

and no reason to criticize Bernie.

[One Black Sheep]

6. Whoa, looks like Hillary and her campaign should be prepared to give Bernie as much as possible

and to not piss him off.

Let's get real, if he wanted, Bernie could completely torpedo Hillary's chances to win a presidential election, by doing this. Hopefully, Team Hillary understands this, and will act accordingly.

[LonePirate]

7. This should please his hardcore supporters here at DU because this will defeat Hillary in the GE.

Defeating Hillary is more important to them than defeating Trump.

[pangaia]

110. Liar liar pants on fire.

Or something like that,, I don't know.. that was the quickest thing that came to mind..

Just like what you wrote.

[hollysmom]

8. No matter how he answered there would be an imagined horrified statement by someone here.

it is like clock work there is never a good answer for some people.

[JackRiddler]

48. Exactly. "NewsCenter" since Feb. 26, 146 posts...

cute little "objective" name. Hmmmmm. Spins innocuous non-answer into fake incendiary headline.

[Fuddnik]

65. Speechless and horrified for over 5 years.

Then, all of a sudden............

[ucrdem]

9. Don't worry. Most don't realize it yet but

if Bernie runs on a 3rd-party ticket, even in the unlikely event he takes Oregon, Washington, Michigan, and a generous couple of others (which is never, ever going to happen), Clinton still wins:

[Armstead]

23. No, you're missing a basic fact

He would not WIN any state, let alone win the presidency.

But he COULD siphon enough votes from Clinton that in states where she and Trump had a close contest, it could give Trump enough additional margin to win.

I'm not saying that's a desirable thing, because I wold not want that to happen.

But I am saying don't marginalize or dismiss Sanders or the people who support him.

[ucrdem]

30. The votes they'd siphon would be votes she wasn't going to get anyway.

In view of 2000 no Dem in their right mind would risk throwing the election to Trump so the only votes they'd get would be conservative independents who don't like Hillary but don't like Trump either.

[Armstead]

44. That's wishful thinking

I don't want to argue about this, because I think it would be a mistake for Bernie to run as an independent.

But I am saying that Clinton and the Democratic Party would be making a mistake mistake of assuming that all Democrats -- and independents who favor Democrats -- are automatically going to "fall in line" and can be taken for granted.

[AntiBank]

29. that map is a pipe dream

With Sanders siphoning votes much more from Clinton you are insane to put Florida, NC, VA , IA AZ etc down as anything other than Trump victories.

The electoral college could possibly not produce anyone to 270, in which case the Rethug house would elect Trumpf BUT a possible Dem senate might just elect a DEMOCRAT as VP. Either that or Trump gets 270. ZERO percent chance Clinton hits 270. I would lay £10,000 with Ladbrokes on that.

[ucrdem]

32. Florida, LOL

Florida Dems aren't going to vote for Bernster and let Trump walk away with it. Anyway we went through all the scenarios a few weeks ago and basically all of them return a Dem win:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512016292

[AntiBank]

119. its basic math, Sanders would draw far more from Clinton than from Trump

he doesn't even have to win a single state.

His 3rd party run WOULD give many states to Trump that Clinton probably or likely would have won.

Even if Sanders kept Trump from getting 270 electoral votes, he most certainly would absolutely also prevent Clinton from getting 270.

Then the House votes Trump Potus.

There is a 98% plus chance that a Sanders 3rd party run gives the POTUS to Trumpf.

Thank god it will not happen. Sanders is NOT going to run 3rd party.

The only way that could happen is if Hillary is indicted, not just recommended for indictment (I dont think she drops out if the DOJ doesn't indict) and then the Dem leadership fucks over Sanders and goes for Biden or some other insider as a replacement.

At that point, Sanders might bolt.

If Sanders bolts, then I also see a potential 3rd party conservative entering the race too. As the Rethug leadership could run a 3 to 7 state specific targeted race, get enough electoral vote to finish top 3 (only top 3 electoral vote getters are voted on in the House for POTUS if no one gets to 270)

and then strong arm 26 of the 30 to 33 House delegations the Rethugs control (each of the 50 states gets ONE vote decided within its delegation) to vote for MR/Mrs X, the establishment candidate.

Bear in mind, that person would have to win more electoral votes than one of the 2 left wing candidates, which, if its Sanders and say Dem establishment-backed Biden, will be tough.

[bobbobbins01]

12. I'm speechless and giddy.

The two party system does no one any good.

[msongs]

17. so why is Mr sanders participating in it? nt

[bobbobbins01]

27. Because there wasn't a viable 3rd party option until now.

Pragmatism, Bernie is no dummy.

[baldguy]

35. But... but... Pragmatism is eveeil!!

[azurnoir]

15. Did you get dizzy writing that?

I mean all that spin ........

[StevieM]

19. This is not a big story. He just stumbled on his words. It happens all the time when

you are on the campaign trail and running around like crazy.

But if Hillary had a comparable slip-up it would be headline news for a week and her opponents would eviscerate her for it.

[NanceGreggs]

20. After the spotlight ...

... accorded someone who was a contender for the nomination of the Democratic Party, Bernie's ego could never allow him to dive into the much smaller pond that Jill Stein swims in.

[bravenak]

21. He will not run as a green

[Matt_in_STL]

26. I don't understand why this would be an issue

We have been told time and time again he isn't a Democrat, so obviously Democrats won't vote for him,. Also, plenty of Hilly supporters have advised that she doesn't need the votes of Sanders supporters, so where their votes go shouldn't matter, as long as it isn't to Trump.

[Shadowflash]

61. Yup.

We are being told, many times a day, to shut up and fall in line because our numbers don't matter and we are just a inconsequential fringe.

The fact that the HRC supporters get their panties all in a bunch when there is even a whiff of a chance that Sanders may run third party, no matter how much they have to stretch to get to that conclusion, belies their constant bombarding.

[B Calm]

31. Trashing Thread

[SidDithers]

37. I don't think his ego would let him be Stein's VP...nt

Sid

[pengu]

38. He won't do it, but I'd vote for him if he did

[Tribalceltic]

39. Nader 2000 Nuff Said

[MelungeonWoman]

53. I lived through 8 years of shrub.

Trump doesn't scare me, especially since he's running to the left of Hillary on several issues.

[Arkansas Granny]

59. I lived through those same 8 years and the thought of Trump in the oval office

scares the shit out of me. Trump makes GWB look like a political genius in comparison.

[JackRiddler]

125. And yet some who witnessed those years still seem to believe...

that the 2000 electoral and judicial coup d'etat that put that lawless and radical government into power (with the subsequent collaboration in most of its most dreadful crimes of the Democratic leadership) was magically the fault of a tiny-sized leftist Green challenger. I guess Nader makes for a more reassuring scapegoat?

[SheenaR]

127. Easy cop out frequently repeated here

How about Al Gore doesn't become the first person to lose his home state in three decades. Then Ralph Nader is still known as a consumer advocate.

[Cobalt Violet]

40. Go Bernie Go!

[djean111]

41. That must really scare the crap out of you, eh?

And - noted that "speechless" does not preclude keyboard use. How convenient!

Also - "horrified"? Are you horrified about hundreds of thousands of dead people being airily dismissed as the by-product of some "gift of freedom"? Now, THAT is worth being horrified about. Contemplating possible consequences of the way this primary was rigged does not merit "horrified". Every action has a reaction. Deal with it.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

43. Hell yes. The prospect of handing the election to Trump is terrifying.

And while Clinton might still beat Trump if Sanders runs as a splitter, the odds go from heavily in her favour to heavily against her.

[Demsrule86]

51. Handing the election to Trump is terrifying anyone with a brain and a heart.

I can not imagine the terrible things he would do...Bush would be the second worst president in history and Trump would be the worst president in history...both elected by green traitors. This type never accomplishes anything, they will destroy all the progress since Roosevelt.

[icecreamfan]

47. He should meet with Stein on June 15 and use it as leverage to force policy concessions

I'd like to see him actually run on the Green Party ticket to give Americans a real progressive choice in November, but using the threat of doing it to force policy concessions would be good too. Go Bernie!

[Demsrule86]

50. Like candidate like supporter

All you and Bernie will do is elect Trump...congratulations on allowing the GOP five court picks, and I wonder how our people in the military will feel about being forced to shoot relatives of terrorists...many of them small children as Trump's view...great idea ...no really. Bernie can exact the maximum amount of suffering from an electorate that failed to understand how great he is. Someone's got to pay right Bernie?

[Fuddnik]

55. We tried to give you a good alternative to Trump.

But you got all wrapped up in your little personality cult. For somebody with zero personality, to boot.

[Arkansas Granny]

60. Oh, that's rich. A Bernie supporter accusing Hillary supporters of being a personality cult.

[Demsrule86]

77. That is so true. nt

[Demsrule86]

72. Bernie is not a good candidate. He could not win the general.

And since when do you alone get to pick a candidate...there was a vote and your side lost. Electing Trump out of spite seems pretty foolish to me. Your side goes down as electing the worst president in history...or should I say the two worst...Green traitors elected Bush II also. And look at the result...how many dead in 9-11 or Katrina...Afghanistan, Iraq...our civil liberties attacked. Greens are dead to me.

[Demsrule86]

49. Not surprised

Bernie is fast becoming the biggest Trump supporter we have...he will go down in history as the man responsible for destroying the progressive movement. He should be offered nothing at the convention.

[99Forever]

52. He won't.

Though I wish he would.

[Demsrule86]

75. I hope not

It looks like libertarians may help us in defeating Trump...and we need to win this election. With five court picks, we simply can't have a GOP president...every year, people say why this is the most crucial election in a generation ...rarely is that true. It is true this year. This is why... I no longer like Bernie. I did not think he could win the general...or Ohio which he didn't. My kids are for him, so I voted for him in Ohio. I had always said if someone like him came along I would support him...although I had misgivings about the general. I am actually sorry now I ever supported him. He has little interest in many of the issues I support abortion rights, gun control,equal pay for women and LGBT rights. His is an economic message it seems to me, and I agree that is important but so are human rights.

[Trust Buster]

57. I would have no problem with it. The guy is currently just pimping a ride with the Democratic

Party. He is an Independent. He should have run as an Independent. The fact that he chose to run as a Democrat is what has created the lion's share of the divisiveness.

[Attorney in Texas]

58. Don't be silly. Sanders has rejected the idea 100 times. He's just blowing off a stupid question.

[JackRiddler]

126. Of course he is, but a talking point of the day was needed.

[Fast Walker 52]

63. if he did this, he would destroy a huge amount of good will he has earned

including my support. I really hope he doesn't, and I doubt he will.

[BillZBubb]

83. Yes, we see the good will from the Hillary fanatics every day. It is something to behold.

[Shadowflash]

91. Haha!

+ 1 million!

[Fast Walker 52]

123. there is plenty of "good will" on both sides

[CrowCityDem]

69. His career would be over if he tried it.

[Skink]

71. If HRC is the nominee I am voting green

Done it before although not for President.

Bernie could however appoint her to something once he is in the White House.

[leeroysphitz]

80. I would vote Sanders if he ran on a PARKING ticket. n/t

[CanonRay]

82. Not gonna happen

Bernie will not hand the government over to Trump.

[brooklynite]

84. UNREC!

We're told not to presume that Hillary Clinton will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. Well guess what: Jill Stein isn't the nominee of the Green Party. They don't hold their Convention until August. And for those who profess to love Democracy, they don't allow non-Greens to participate in their candidate selection.

[leveymg]

85. NewsCenter28 question to Sanders, "When did you stop beating your wife?"

Speechless and horrified.

Winner of the Dumbest Meme Started Today Award.

[LWolf]

86. Anyone who is "speechless and horrified"

by that comment is ignorant or disingenuous, at the least.

"Right now, our goal is to win the Democratic nomination" is a direct, clear statement that he's running as a Democrat. There is nothing in there to indicate otherwise unless you NEED to find something non-existent to hang your criticism on.

That has, of course, been the Clinton campaign's, and her supporters', problem from the beginning.

She can't beat him on issues.

She can't beat him on record.

That means that all kinds of bullshit has to be thrown in the vain hope that something will stick.

This won't. Anyone who has paid enough attention knows that his goal when it comes to the GE, whether he wins that nomination or not, is to beat Trump.

[redstateblues]

93. She is beating him on both last time I looked

[LWolf]

97. Here

It looks like you need these:



Or maybe you support neoliberal policies.

[mac56]

90. You are an idiot.

[dgibby]

92. This is almost verbatim

the response he gave to another reporter who asked if he would accept an offer to run as HRC's veep. Does that cause you to be speechless and horrified also?

[democrattotheend]

94. He has said many times he wouldn't run as a third party

I don't think this changes that.

[emulatorloo]

95. Bernie is a man of his word, he will not run third party.

[jeff47]

99. So you're pissed off Sanders did not declare the race over.

Golly, what a surprise.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

101. That would certainly shake the walls of the establishment parties.

[saltpoint]

102. If you want to lay odds on longshots,

put down several thousand bucks that I'll be the next Republican Senator from Mississippi.

Go on, do it.

[beachbum bob]

103. Sanders can make trump next president..

He will own the responsibility of doing....and verify he is nothing more than a liar and an ego maniac

[Agnosticsherbet]

104. Either Sanders is a man of honor whose word means someting, or he runs on the Green Ticket.

and makes Trump President.

There is not middle ground.

[WhiteTara]

105. His ego is too big to accept a slot

on an unknown ticket with an unknown woman who holds the top slot.

[bkkyosemite]

111. Because of your last sentence can I offer you some sleepy time tea or hot cocoa.

[restorefreedom]

112. i wish, but he won't.

the exception being if hillary is indicted and the dems rob bernie of the nom by giving it to biden.

that will be a declaration of war on bernie and his supporters, and he would be a fool not to bolt and run third.

[hrmjustin]

113. I knew I was right not to trust Sanders.

[pinebox]

116. "But he's not a REAL Democrat!"

and now Hillary supporters are in freak out mode?

Personally I don't think Bernie would go this way and Greens have a problem with ballot access as seen in the illustration below. However IF Bernie did do this; I think it would shift an entire demographic (millenials) to a whole other party. Should you Hillary supporters be worried about that? Yes you should and that is why you should be freaking out.

[Beowulf]

117. The Clinton camp has very little understanding of what

Bernie and the movement are about. IT'S ISSUES! I would be surprised if he ran third party because he has said from the beginning he didn't want to be seen as another Nader. Perhaps the nastiness of the campaign has shifted his thinking, perhaps he now believes the Democratic Party is beyond reform. If he ran third party it wouldn't be for his ego, it would be because he has come to realize that the issues he cares most about have no chance with either of the two major parties and so to keep hope alive he needs to use his popularity to gives boost to a third party moment. The Green Party platform is nearly identical to his.

If he goes third party and I really don't think he would, it wouldn't be for ego or revenge. That's Clinton thinking. It would be about keeping his issues in front of the public.

[GeorgeGist]

118. It truly discouraging that some Hillary supporters are so gullible.

[Waiting For Everyman]

120. Hillary and the Dem party haven't honored their side of the deal

since day one. Maybe that wasn't such a smart move on their part. Because now, if Bernie were to consider the understanding to be null and void, he would be well-justified in doing so.

But don't worry, the Libertarians would take some of Trump's votes too.

Of course the safe option to defeat Trump has always been to nominate Bernie. But some aren't as afraid of Trump as they say, because promoting Hillary is more important than fear of him. So that doesn't indicate much fear at all, it shouts bullshit!

And again, if camp Hillary were so afraid of Trump as they say, then they would be more interested than they are in why Bill Clinton encouraged such a monster to run in the first place. Yes, Bill did that. Not caring about that shows that they really don't give a damn about how scary Trump is.

It's just yet another way of conning people out of voting in their own self-interest.

I'll vote for Bernie, whatever label he runs under. I've been a Dem for decades, and it hasn't done shit for me.

[Mike__M]

121. What he REALLY meant was that

right now, their goal is to win the Democratic nomination.

[Amaril]

122. "Speechless and horrified"

Because he didn't answer a question the way you wanted?

You poor dear.

Maybe, just maybe, he thought it was a stupid, divisive question, intended to shit-stir, and he chose not to dignify it with a response?

[Maedhros]

129. I can only hope that he would do that!

Alas, he has stated he would not run as third party and I believe him.

[trudyco]

131. That would be great news.

Then if Hillary gets indicted he would be there!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

132. no

[Orsino]

133. Bad fanfic.

Sanders is already pledged to support the Democratic nominee, and to try his damnedest to be that nominee.