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portlander23

(2,078 posts)
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:39 AM Jun 2016

Bernie Sanders Erased Hillary Clinton’s 15-point Lead in California and Could be Headed to a Coup

Bernie Sanders Erased Hillary Clinton’s 15-point Lead in California and Could be Headed to a Bigger Coup
NATHAN FRANCIS
The Inquisitr

In recent weeks, Clinton appeared to hold a wide lead over Sanders in the Golden State. Polls showed her lead to be somewhere in the range of 15 to 18 points over Bernie Sanders, pointing to a win that would seal the nomination thanks to Clinton’s big lead in the party-picked superdelegates, many of whom committed to her before a single vote was cast this year.

A narrow win in California would not be enough for Bernie Sanders to erase Hillary Clinton’s wide lead in delegates, but there are signs that it could turn the tide in the race. Hillary Clinton has faced growing problems from her email scandal, with an ongoing FBI investigation into her unauthorized use of a private email server during her time as Secretary of State and a recent State Department inspector general’s report that slammed her for violating policy regarding the server.

There is a growing sentiment that a win in California for Sanders — especially one by a healthy margin — could be a race-changing moment. Douglas E. Schoen of the Wall Street Journal wrote that a win by Sanders would underscore Clinton’s weaknesses and could give superdelegates the justification they need to change to Sanders.

This is no longer a hypothetical argument, either. David Shuster reported this week that many superdelegates are already preparing to leave Hillary Clinton and move to Sanders if he wins in California. So far none have changed to the Sanders camp, but if there is growing concern among superdelegates it could just take a handful changing sides to give others on the fence the justification they need to leave the troubled frontrunner.

Citing email investigations + comparative polls v Trump, several @HillaryClinton superdels suggest they'll switch if @BernieSanders wins CA

— David Shuster (@DavidShuster) June 2, 2016


I don't think a California win is going to turn the superdelegates around. They were never going to back Sanders, even if he were ahead in pledged delegates. I do however support Mr. Sanders going down swinging. Progressives will have to wait four years for another shot at the White House, but we're gonna go down swinging.
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Bernie Sanders Erased Hillary Clinton’s 15-point Lead in California and Could be Headed to a Coup (Original Post) portlander23 Jun 2016 OP
Correction: they have to wait eight years. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #1
Please don't give people any ammunition to vote Trump portlander23 Jun 2016 #2
That's exactly what some "Bernie or Bust" folks want to have happen. JoePhilly Jun 2016 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife Jun 2016 #13
Crow can't stop crowing! dinkytron Jun 2016 #15
Nope. 99Forever Jun 2016 #3
Obviously you don't know that there is a Presidential election every 4 years Perogie Jun 2016 #8
If you think this cycle was the establishment holding down 'progressives'... CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #10
All I'm saying is there is a Presidential election every 4 years Perogie Jun 2016 #12
Like how all the superdelegates switched to Hillary in 2008 when Obama lost California. Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #4
California wasn't the last big primary in 2008 democrattotheend Jun 2016 #5
Obama didn't have a pending FBI investigation. Perogie Jun 2016 #9
Not happening. JoePhilly Jun 2016 #7
Who cares? She will get enough delegates to be the presumptive nominee by NJ book_worm Jun 2016 #11
a lot of nonsense condensed in that article onenote Jun 2016 #14
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #16

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
6. That's exactly what some "Bernie or Bust" folks want to have happen.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:56 AM
Jun 2016

Let Trump win, destroy the country ... and then some liberal utopia will arise out of the ashes.

The Tea Party had a similar idea ... although they see Trump as most likely to usher in a white Christo-Facist utopia that they dream about.

Response to JoePhilly (Reply #6)

Perogie

(687 posts)
8. Obviously you don't know that there is a Presidential election every 4 years
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:05 AM
Jun 2016

Of course your belief is that Hilliary will win that election also. But the premise of the original post is correct. Progressives will have another shot in 4 years.

Also thanks for confirming that Hilliary isn't a progressive with your post.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
10. If you think this cycle was the establishment holding down 'progressives'...
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:07 AM
Jun 2016

...just wait until you try to primary a sitting President. That won't go over. Nope.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
4. Like how all the superdelegates switched to Hillary in 2008 when Obama lost California.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:53 AM
Jun 2016

Or should have done, according to that logic.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
5. California wasn't the last big primary in 2008
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:56 AM
Jun 2016

And the dynamics of the race were different.

That said, I don't see the supers switching unless it's clear that Hillary is unelectable.

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
11. Who cares? She will get enough delegates to be the presumptive nominee by NJ
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:09 AM
Jun 2016

earlier in the night. It's over, sorry, but it is.

p.s.
I also think while California will be close (and Bernie doesn't need close) that HRC will win. I think her widely praised foreign policy speech the other day solidified her small lead in California.

onenote

(42,694 posts)
14. a lot of nonsense condensed in that article
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:59 AM
Jun 2016

I'm predicting a relatively narrow loss by Clinton in California and absolutely no movement away from her by super delegates. In fact, after the primaries finish up with Clinton holding a healthy lead (and a majority of pledged delegates), I'm expecting Obama and Biden to declare the race decided. With that declaration, not only will the supers committed to Clinton not be abandoning her, but a number of the undeclared supers will come out for her and even some Sanders delegates will move towards her.

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