Election fraud reported in Puerto Rico.

[bobbobbins01]

Again.

This shits got to stop.

http://cb.pr/bernie-sanders-camp-reports-fraud-in-the-puerto-rico-presidential-primary/

[Renew Deal]

1. The Sanders campaign is trying to steal the election again

[bkkyosemite]

4. Dream on..it's been rigged before he entered the campaign.

[AgingAmerican]

20. The DNC is stealing the election

Hillary supporters approve of election fraud as long as it benefits their candidate.

[SCantiGOP]

78. One prediction that is always accurate:

Any contest that Sanders loses is because of fraud or corruption.

[qdouble]

2. "Sanders’ Campaign Alleges Fraud" would be a more accurate thread title

[tonyt53]

47. That link actually says that very thing.

[bkkyosemite]

3. I posted a video from a candidate who talks about PR and previous election fraud in NH

KY and IA...the machines are set to accept what the software tells it to do right after votes are tallied are then switched. Votes go missing, disenfranchisement abounds. The winner is anointed and democracy is thrown off the cliff.

[radical noodle]

5. The little boy who cries wolf so many times no one pays attention

[bobbobbins01]

7. You're right, the best way to commit fraud is to go big.

If its happening everywhere people will think its standard operating procedure.

[B Calm]

10. Since you know so about it, why didn't they certify Bernie officials? Just Hillarys?

[randome]

13. Because the certifications weren't received until late Thursday, maybe?

Who is responsible for that?
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[B Calm]

17. They were submitted in the time frame.

[randome]

18. They were RECEIVED, according to the article, late Thursday. When were they submitted?

How long does it take to process certifications? Before anyone cries "Fraud!", it seems like those two questions need to be answered first.
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[B Calm]

22. Within the time frame. .

[randome]

25. Sure, but what time frame? Was Thursday the very last date they could be submitted?

If so, it would seem like poor organization to wait until the last minute. If they were submitted at the same time or even before Clinton's list, then there might be a reason to doubt the impartiality of the election officials, unless there is an understandable reason for the delay.

If they were submitted after Clinton's list, then slow-moving bureaucracy seems more plausible.
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[B Calm]

29. They were submitted a day early. They didn't certify until Friday afternoon.

[randome]

32. So how is that fraud?

I have no idea what is involved with a certification process. Do names need to be verified or something? It doesn't sound like fraud to me. A bureaucracy that processes documents delivered at closing time on the next business day is pretty good, imo.
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[B Calm]

35. Uh. . Maybe because not one Bernie official was selected, just Hillarys.

Read the article.

[randome]

37. I think you're determined to see fraud here.

Did the Clinton Campaign deliver their list much earlier? If so, it would explain why that campaign was ready to go on Friday. All I'm saying is that more information is needed before accusations of fraud are leveled.
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[B Calm]

40. If it was suppose to be a race of first submitted, first certified, both campaigns

should have been notified. The names were submitted within the allowed time frame!

[GreatGazoo]

58. in the story your analogy cites there really was a wolf in the end

the problem isn't crying wolf, it is not finding out the truth

[radical noodle]

80. The problem IS crying wolf

Anyone who repeatedly makes false claims cannot expect others to believe them after a while. In essence the little boy caused his own demise due to his histrionics.

[GreatGazoo]

82. The boy survives, the village loses their sheep

All the sticks were left in the sheds and nobody rushed up the hillside. It wasn’t until very much later that afternoon, that the boy sent to take over the shepherding from Peter found dead sheep’s bodies strewn all over the hillside, and Peter still up there in his tree, whimpering, that the villagers found out there really had been a wolf this time.

The fable illustrates the logical fallacy of ad hominem attacks. The VILLAGE, not the boy, pays a high price for prejudging and attacking the speaker rather than seeking out the truth themselves.

[SwampG8r]

83. You never read that story did you?

[smiley]

90. sort of like all those right wing conspiracies against the Clintons.

n/t

[radical noodle]

92. Actually not like that at all

The right wing conspiracies are always there, not just against the Clintons but against all Democratic presidents now and in years to come. How do you think we got birthers? We should always be prepared for them.

[smiley]

94. figures...

Those Clinton's would never do wrong.

[radical noodle]

95. I didn't say that either

No one is perfect.

[smiley]

96. especially those 2

[Gomez163]

6. Typical Bernie whining. He needs to give it a rest.

[bobbobbins01]

12. He doesn't say anything at all in the article.

Nice to know you care about fair elections.

[Gomez163]

28. The one that got the most votes (Hillary) is winning by a large margin

A huge margin. The unfair election was in 2008 where Obama won with less votes than Hillary. I don't hear you whining about that.

[bobbobbins01]

38. Because that was 8 years ago. You don't know what I did back then.

Deflect deflect deflect. This is happening right now in our faces and you want to talk about 8 years ago. Pathetic.

[mythology]

69. The only way you can get to Clinton having more votes in 2008

Is to count Florida and Michigan where Obama expressly didn't compete due to those states jumping the order.

[mike_ftm]

8. bobbobbins01

This is what is really going on in Puerto Rico.

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[findrskeep]

26. Thank you for your service.

I hope this goes viral. And if it does turn out to be the most blatant of all the voter fraud that has taken place, at least if it's that obvious, maybe, just maybe people will take their blinders off and stand up for democracy.

[99Forever]

9. It would be news if there weren't election fraud.

Anything to win, eh Hillary?

[randome]

11. The article was written Friday, certifications were received Thursday and expected to be processed.

Any news on whether or not this occurred? My guess is that they were and the certifications being received at such a late time made it difficult to get them processed quickly.
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[geek tragedy]

14. Bernie supporters cry fraud every time he loses.

People have stopped listening--no one believes you. Sad!

[bobbobbins01]

39. You realize the primary isn't until tomorrow, right?

So we're calling fraud before anyone wins or loses. And I've cried fraud several times when Bernie has won as well.

[geek tragedy]

45. Yes, sometimes you cry fraud as an anticipatory

excuse for losing.

Cried wolf too many times.

[bobbobbins01]

60. Have any of the other cases been disproven

Its only crying wolf if its proven to be false.

[geek tragedy]

70. None have been substantiated.

Unsubstantiated complaints are mere noise.

[bobbobbins01]

71. Except all the videos.

But I guess those don't count.

[geek tragedy]

74. If there were video showing election fraud

it would make waves in places other than DU and Reddit

[Sheepshank]

15. Even before I opened, I *knew* it was going to be the Bernie Camp

So fucking predictable.

[Cha]

88. The alerter struck out, Sheepshank

On Sun Jun 5, 2016, 04:24 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Even before I opened, I *knew* it was going to be the Bernie Camp
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2122340

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Rude and over the top . Please review .

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Explanation: She spoke the truth.. you can't deny that every time BS loses he calls "fraud".. and when he wins he doesn't.

It is so fucking predictable.. you cannot deny that.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Frivolous partisan alert.

[Sheepshank]

91. Alert stalker just earned a 24 hour alerting time out.

Haa haa haaaaaaaa

[NCTraveler]

16. Sanders lack of organization is catching up with him. Nt

[obamanut2012]

19. SHAME SHAME SHAME

[bjo59]

23. Unfortunately, there is no one in our government who will stop it.

One thing that the Democratic primary season has foregrounded is that corporate capitalism has won the war against democracy. Do enough people in this country care? Apparently not.

[Tarc]

24. Just like the "we got booted out of the Greek Theater" disinformation campaign

There seems to be a bit of BS in this one too. From the cited aticle;

When asked by Caribbean Business about the situation, Prats said the list of Sanders’ voting center officials was received Thursday at about 5 p.m., and that he expects the certifications to take place during the afternoon Friday.

5pm, i.e. the closing time of normal business hours. So once again, it seems that a disorganized Sanders ground game waited til the last possible second, then blames their disarray on Hillary's people. Shameful.

[Agnosticsherbet]

27. It appears Sanders has lost. nt

[still_one]

31. Of course. It is only fraud when Hillary wins

[NorthCarolina]

30. It won't stop as long as there are those willing to facilitate it for personal gain. -nt-

[bobbobbins01]

41. I just don't get what the people here gain from it.

Besides a shitty nominee. Whoopee!

[anotherproletariat]

33. You know everyone's been out to get him since he was a little boy. That's why he could never

hold a steady job until he was mayor in 1981. All the "establishment" people kept firing him.

[bobbobbins01]

42. Do you have any idea how republican that sounds?

You're taking cracks at some for having multiple jobs? What the fuck?

[eastwestdem]

51. I believe it's the not having a stable job or career that makes him look weak.

Doesn't sound republican to me, just factual.

[bobbobbins01]

53. Is it factual? You can speak to the stability of his employment?

Please give the details.

[eastwestdem]

54. He's your candidate, I did the research months ago. Google is your friend. nt

[bobbobbins01]

56. Yeah, so did I. He had several jobs, but there is no info on how stable they were.

You must have inside info.

[Matt_R]

84. You describe Melenials and Gen Xers. n/t

[findrskeep]

34. K & R nt

[CrowCityDem]

36. Yes, the deligitimizing of every contest Bernie loses does need to stop.

[bobbobbins01]

43. The primary isn't until tomorrow...

So...I dunno what you're talking about.

[CrowCityDem]

44. Putting 'fraud' out there early, so they can discount the loss.

[B Calm]

46. Why are you against election integrity?

[CrowCityDem]

48. I'm not. But Bernie fans haven't cried 'fraud' on a single state he won.

[B Calm]

50. So, what does that suppose to mean?

You saying there was election fraud in those states too?

[CrowCityDem]

62. I'm saying it's more political concern than electoral.

[B Calm]

63. I don't.

[CrowCityDem]

65. So every Bernie win has been pure and clean?

[B Calm]

66. Point one out that wasn't.

[CrowCityDem]

68. Arizona is the only one that approaches fraud on either side, and that was done by Rs.

[bobbobbins01]

72. I'm a Bernie fan and I have, many times.

Election fraud is present in many states he has won.

[CrowCityDem]

73. Please elaborate. I'm interested.

[bobbobbins01]

76. I'm for auditing all the primaries.

With extra attention to the ones outside the exit polls MOE.

I think all elections should have mandatory exit polling and a mandatory audit if it is outside that. I'd even go as far as an audit 100% of the time, by a verified neutral 3rd party.

Note: self-deleted a post because I mentioned Georgia, which Bernie certainly did not win.

[CrowCityDem]

77. Fair enough, but that doesn't mention a single case of fraud in a Bernie state.

[tonyt53]

49. To most people, crying "fraud" before the election is lacking in integrity.

[B Calm]

52. That's really a sad reply. Try reading the article before replying.

[bobbobbins01]

55. It couldn't possibly be that actual fraud is occurring?

That is too far fetched? Has it never happened in this country before?

[B Calm]

59. As long as the fraud is in Hillary's favor, they don't care.

[bobbobbins01]

61. Which is ridiculous.

Show me a place where fraud has benefited Bernie, and guess what? I'd want that shit fixed.

[B Calm]

64. +1 same here.

[Lord Magus]

86. But everyone fully expects Bernie to lose badly in Puerto Rico.

Thus the preemptive cries of "fraud!"

[Octafish]

57. Shhhhh. It'll help in the fall.

And it'll help the "Right" people.

DU pegged them way back when:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x31265

[JoePhilly]

67. Election fraud reported in "State Bernie is losing".

There, I fixed the OP title.

[Dem2]

79. My first reaction:

"should I assume Bernie is losing?"

That's pretty sad because that's not what I want to think.

[peggysue2]

81. Of course

There's fraud anywhere and everywhere Bernie Sanders isn't winning. The whine is predictable. And lame.

[tandem5]

85. This shits got to stop.

[AzDar]

87. K & R

[Recursion]

89. "Ms. Franceschini is playing a preemption game because she knows of a potentially serious issue ...

... regarding one of their poll workers who took two boxes full of cast ballots from one of the prisons and later that evening delivered them to a regional elections committee center, claiming she did not know what to do with them. The matter is under investigation.”

I'd probably yell about something else in that circumstance too.

[oberliner]

93. The claim that the Party is delaying the certification of the Sanders’ poll workers is preposterous

From the article:

“The claim that the Democratic Party is delaying the certification of the Sanders’ poll workers is preposterous,” Prats added. “The first complete set of poll workers for (Sunday’s) primary we certified were all from Sanders’ campaign.”