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Sat Jun 4, 2016, 03:41 PM

If Bernie wins California.

He will still lose the nomination.

Math, people.

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Reply If Bernie wins California. (Original post)
arely staircase Jun 2016 OP
David__77 Jun 2016 #1
arely staircase Jun 2016 #4
David__77 Jun 2016 #7
arely staircase Jun 2016 #12
David__77 Jun 2016 #13
UMTerp01 Jun 2016 #2
David__77 Jun 2016 #5
UMTerp01 Jun 2016 #8
David__77 Jun 2016 #10
arely staircase Jun 2016 #6
highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #3
Txbluedog Jun 2016 #9
Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #11
senz Jun 2016 #14
realmirage Jun 2016 #15
senz Jun 2016 #16
realmirage Jun 2016 #17
MineralMan Jun 2016 #18
Jon Ace Jun 2016 #19
MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #20

Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 03:44 PM

1. What do you hope people to do with this information?

I'm voting for Sanders on Tuesday and I wish him success in his electoral campaign. I am empowered as an elector to vote.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 03:50 PM

4. Why not vote for yourself?

You have as much of a chance at the nomination as he does.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #4)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 03:54 PM

7. I don't want to be the Democratic nominee.

I'm sure people felt that Walter Mondale stood little chance against Reagan on Election Day 1984; still, millions voted for Mondale. I believe that is at least sometimes a matter of personal integrity.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #7)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:13 PM

12. Mondale had a shot. A slim one, but a shot.

Bernie is done.

It's over.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #12)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:16 PM

13. We disagree. That's ok.

I understand your viewpoint.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 03:46 PM

2. It doesn't matter because #BernieMath...

 

#BernieMath apparently trumps real math and people act like superdelegates are some new phenomenon and because the numbers are looking bad for him we need to get the superdelegates to switch from Hillary to Bernie. Yada yada yada superdelegates are uncommitted and they don't count until the actual roll call but he's not going to get the superdelegates for Hillary to flip.

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Response to UMTerp01 (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 03:51 PM

5. Not everyone who votes for Sanders cares much about "math."

I'm voting for who I support to be nominated.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #5)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 03:56 PM

8. Thats not what I said

 

Of course you should vote for your candidate when California votes. That wasn't my point. My point was this idea that he is somehow going to overtake her in pledged delegates and get the SDs to flip to give him the lead. In addition, apparently the popular vote numbers don't matter either. And no the caucus numbers still wouldn't have him leading Hillary in the popular vote.

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Response to UMTerp01 (Reply #8)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 03:58 PM

10. Ok.

I didn't get that point in the original post- thanks.

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Response to UMTerp01 (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 03:51 PM

6. Oh super delegates aren't new to them. They used to think they were

a terrible thing.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 03:47 PM

3. People who lead important movements that need to be there, that need to be heard, stick around

 

potentially a long, long time. Perhaps even as long as the necessary change that needs to happen actually takes place.

I am stating here right now - I am wearing my Bernie button a long, long time, no matter who the nominee is.

He stands for what I think is right for this country.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 03:58 PM

9. Yes more than likely Bernie will not be the nominee

 

that does not mean that his supporters shouldn't vote for him while they still have an opportunity for them to do so

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 03:59 PM

11. Clinton won California in 2008, and still lost.

Indeed, it is math.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:50 PM

14. Hillary needs 612 more pledged delegates to get to 2383 pledged delegates.

 

There are only 781 pledged delegates left in the remaining nine primaries:

Virgin Islands, PR, CA Mont NJ, NM, ND SD, DC

Even if Hill does well in several states, she will not be able to reach 2383.

And neither will Bernie.

Neither candidate will come out of the upcoming nine primaries with 2383 pledged delegates unless there is some miraculous sweep by one of the candidates, which is highly unlikely.

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Response to senz (Reply #14)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:56 PM

15. That's a talking point that won't matter Tuesday

 

At 8pm ET the world will do what it has always done- call the winner who has reached the required number before the convention. Hillary will also have a majority of pledged delegates Tuesday. If you don't realize this you're in for a rough night Tuesday.

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Response to realmirage (Reply #15)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 07:00 PM

16. It's not a talking point. It's an electoral reality.

 

It's not a matter of having a "majority" of pledged delegates, it's who reaches 2383, which neither of them will.

As for your typical Hill fan eagerness to see Bernie supporters have "a rough night," liberal progressives are under no illusions about who and what has been running our country since Reagan.

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Response to senz (Reply #16)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 07:04 PM

17. It's a reality that no one cares about for the last zillion

 

elections. On Tuesday the race will be called as it is every four years when someone reaches the required number.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 08:14 PM

18. Exactly.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 08:35 PM

19. Broken record.

This primary season can't end soon enough.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 08:46 PM

20. Derp

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