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Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:02 PM

 

Bernie blew more than half a million for his junket to Rome. Does this sound like a 1% thing to do?

Doesn't sound like a 99% thing to me.





http://exedra-roma.boscolohotels.com/luxury-hotel-rome

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Reply Bernie blew more than half a million for his junket to Rome. Does this sound like a 1% thing to do? (Original post)
hill2016 Jun 2016 OP
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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:04 PM

1. You keeping tabs on Hillary's expenditures, or just Bernie's?

After all, as a Hillary donor, as I assume you are, you should be more concerned about how she spends your donations than about how Bernie spends mine.

BTW, this nonsense was posted here weeks ago.

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Response to merrily (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:11 PM

10. Just Bernie's. Working on that whole "unity" thing, ya know

 

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Response to Ned_Devine (Reply #10)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:15 PM

16. It's very necessary to dredge up meaningless crap from mid-April and post it again.

Because Bernie.

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Response to merrily (Reply #16)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:19 PM

23. The Only HRC supporters I know of are here

 

And for the most part, they're an awful bunch. And by awful, I mean spiteful, nasty, condescending, antagonistic and rotten. But I don't want to believe that they represent her supporters at large. However, if they do, it's not going to be a good election season for the democrats.

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Response to Ned_Devine (Reply #23)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:20 PM

24. Not if she's the nominee, no.

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Response to merrily (Reply #24)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:22 PM

26. Right, I forgot that caveat

 

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Response to Ned_Devine (Reply #23)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:53 PM

86. They say the same thing about us.


Pretty soon we won't be allowed to say anything.

THE POWER THAT IS has made that pretty clear.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #86)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:55 PM

89. Meh. IF HRC is the nominee, I'll have no reason to come by here anyway

 

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Response to Ned_Devine (Reply #89)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:56 PM

94. true that...

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Response to merrily (Reply #16)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:42 PM

61. they've got nothing else!!

While Hillary is fighting to keep the FBI off her back for multiple felonies regarding dilvulging of our national secrets, her supporters have nothing tangible to hurt Bernie.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #61)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:43 PM

65. I'm not sure if they even have this. The OP links to a hotel ad and I don't know

where that menu with Bernie's name and logo came from.

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Response to merrily (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:25 PM

33. "how Bernie spends mine"

I don't know how Bernie paid for it,
but I doubt he used campaign donations.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #33)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:47 PM

72. The Op links to a hotel ad and shows a suspect photo, so I don't know how much he spent

or on what. However, if Bernie used my money toward that trip, I am more than fine with it.

Whatever money he used, it wasn't the OP's money, which was my point.

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Response to merrily (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:45 PM

68. LOL Great point

 

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Response to merrily (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:50 PM

81. He/she just shits on everything.



What a happy life.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #81)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:00 PM

103. I especially love the menu. I wonder where anyone got Bernie's menu, don't you?

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Response to merrily (Reply #103)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:05 PM

107. You know what? The whole freakin' hurricane is so funny, I don't care where they got "it."



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Response to merrily (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:29 PM

127. so nw Bernie illeaglly using campaign donations is nonsense?

 

Well we cant have him running for president because you know an indictment is coming.


Hilarious how you try and brush this off.
He broke the law . He's been a politician for decades . he knows better and did it anyway..He did have intent...to use his supporters for high class entertainment and lodging.


So much for mr integrity

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Response to puffy socks (Reply #127)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:32 PM

128. A Bernie hate blog says it's illegal and that makes it gospel that it was illegal? Poster, please.

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Response to merrily (Reply #128)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:49 PM

135. Since when is it okay to use campaign funds for personal family trips?

 


Federal Election Commission guidelines forbid using campaign funds for personal expenses.

What was the purpose of the trip? Does the pope vote in US elections? Italians?

Michael Toner, chairman of the FEC under President George W. Bush, told the AP that family vacations can't be charged to a campaign account and that the candidate must pay for personal expenses, even if the trip includes political activities. He said reimbursing the campaign "doesn't completely resolve the situation."


busted


So he should drop out because he's going to be indicted.

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Response to puffy socks (Reply #135)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:51 PM

136. You don't see any way that trip could have helped his candidacy?

Because I sure saw a ton of posts on DU from Hillary supporters in April claiming he was going ONLY to help his candidacy.

And he practically gave his stump speech at the conference.

Something isn't illegal simply because you claim it is and would like it to be. Sorry!

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Response to merrily (Reply #136)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:57 PM

137. He did try and use it to get US Cathoilc to vote for him

 

that still doesn't matter as pointed out to you already. He still cannot use any campaign funds to pay for personal family trips .
Try and justify any way you like.... he broke the law.
But of course Hillary hasn't even broken a law but we continue to hear the indictment dreams of Berners night and day.
Bernie actually breaks the law and all is forgiven.. just like his war votes, his wall street vote, his NRA votes , his War on Drugs vote on and on and on....

Such convictions

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Response to puffy socks (Reply #137)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:02 PM

138. LOL. Make up your mind. Could it have led to Catholic votes--or any votes at all?

If so, you will have to prove in detail why it was not a campaign expense. HINT: repeating that he broke the law is not proof.

Before you can claim that I forgive Bernie for breaking the law, you have to prove he did break the law--and pulling it out of your ear does not count.

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Response to merrily (Reply #138)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:08 PM

139. The two are NOT mutually exclusive

 

Mutually exclusive is a statistical term describing two or more events that cannot occur simultaneously. For example, it is impossible to roll a five and a three on a single die at the same time.

He both went to make a scene for catholic votes back in America and used the opportunity to pay for a family trip.

Its illegal but I'm sure you'll keep defending the indefensible.


Lets recap, shall we?

It is illegal to pay for family trips with campaign funds per the FEC
Bernie used campaign funds fore a family trip
therefore Bernie broke FEC campaign law

Being obtuse doesnt help your argument, it just makes you seem slow. You don't want people thinking you're slow , do you?

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Response to puffy socks (Reply #139)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:45 PM

140. Your calling it a family trip does not make it a family trip. Your calling it illegal does not make

illegal.

I think you've gotten all the mileage that your conclusory statements merit and then some. When a government agency writes a lengthy report saying Bernie did something wrong, get back to me. Or not. Meanwhile, you have a great DU profile, Have a great night, too.



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Response to merrily (Reply #140)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:49 PM

142. I am having a great night!

 

Bernard just lost VI big time..so much for that sweep.
Set to lose PR big time tomorrow.



feel the bern.....flame out.

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Response to puffy socks (Reply #142)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:54 PM

143. "Bernie lost," not "Hillary won." Interesting.

Well, mildly more interesting than your other posts anyway, though not in a good way.

Nitey bye.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:04 PM

2. Plus asked for an invite!

 

Think the rest of us could get an invite?

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Response to scscholar (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:05 PM

5. Then hijacked the Pope so he could say, he did too have a meeting. Lol.

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #5)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:16 PM

17. If you buy anyone hijacks the Pope, I have a bridge for sale, cheap.

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Response to merrily (Reply #17)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:42 PM

62. I'll take it

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Response to DrDan (Reply #62)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:51 PM

83. I expected you would, given you think anyone who wants to knows the Pope's

schedule and wants to walk up to him and chat him up at will gets to do that.

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Response to merrily (Reply #83)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:54 PM

87. no chatting - according to the Pope - only a quick handshake and acknowledgement

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Response to DrDan (Reply #87)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:58 PM

100. New reports said five minute conversation. However, even a handshake--you try it,

assuming you could even learn the pope's schedule.

The desperation is a hoot.

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Response to merrily (Reply #100)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:03 PM

106. no desperation here - it was, however, the basis for the ambush as we all know

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Response to DrDan (Reply #106)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:07 PM

108. A five minute conversation was a basis for an ambush? What does that even mean?

Yes, this OP and another on the same subject are signs of desperation to post anything about Sanders and pretend its horrific. It's 2quite entertaining.

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Response to merrily (Reply #108)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:12 PM

115. no - desperation was

and I did not start either OP so I cannot take credit for your enjoyment

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Response to DrDan (Reply #115)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:13 PM

117. LOL! ok nt

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:04 PM

3. Working on 700K vacation for 24 hours. Nt

 

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:05 PM

4. I have to admit, if paid for by campaign, makes little to no sense why...hard to argue that one

and yet truth is, all those running for offices claim they need these treats in order to win, ? Yes, they are all extremely wasteful, you forgot to add that

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:07 PM

6. And you still care about this...why?

If Hillary's got this thing sewed up, what does it matter? If there's anything more annoying than a sore loser it's a sore winner.

(BTW, those menus are pretty typical of VIP charter flights, no matter who the passengers are. You should see the perks on the NFL charters.)

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #6)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:10 PM

7. Follow thru on a previous discussion. We all knew it was illegal, so of course Sanders did. What

 

sense does it make that he would do this? I am looking for one reasoned answer.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #7)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:34 PM

47. Someone owes you an answer on this why?

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Response to merrily (Reply #47)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:35 PM

50. I said "owed" where?

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #50)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:38 PM

52. You post as though you are owed one, even though you did not use the word.

If you don't feel you're owed one, maybe you just move the fuck on.

Just a thought.

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Response to merrily (Reply #52)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:39 PM

53. That would be your opinion that you try to define me with. I would like a reasoned answer to

 

my question. I like to ask questions to gain information, to be more informed. I know, I know.... way out there.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #53)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:40 PM

58. LOL! I never tried to define you.

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Response to merrily (Reply #58)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:43 PM

64. You just did, with merely your opinion to create your definition. That I feel I am "owed".

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #64)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:45 PM

69. LOL. o.k. whatever you say.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #7)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:47 PM

71. Was he supposed to f-----ing SWIM over there?

 

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Response to Armstead (Reply #71)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:48 PM

74. I think he was suppose to pay for it himself, and not have the campaign pay for it.

 

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:10 PM

8. did he do anything illegal?

Sanders supporters seem to know when HRC buys a taco salad?
See how ridiculous its getting?

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #8)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:29 PM

38. Going to a religious conference in Italy wasn't a legit campaign expense. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #38)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:35 PM

49. According to whom?

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #38)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:57 PM

95. his speech was

 

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #38)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:57 PM

96. Not really a religious conferenece

 

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Response to melman (Reply #96)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:15 PM

121. Yes, it was. It was centered around theological discussions of a 25 year old encyclical.

http://theweek.com/articles/619088/bernie-sanders-awkward-vatican-junket

Set aside the weirdness of Sanders using his campaign funds to charter a 200-seat Boeing 767-300 to fly 8,500 miles to Rome with his family and a small Secret Service detail so he could briefly talk about income inequality and climate change before the Vatican equivalent of a think tank, for a celebration of an encyclical by Pope John Paul II that is critical of socialism and includes favorable nods to market capitalism. Instead, let's look at why Sanders made the trip in the first place. He and his aides are adamant that the journey wasn't motivated by politics or courting Catholic Democrats in the heavily Catholic, delegate-rich northeastern states where Sanders is struggling. Let's take him at his word — Pope Francis is very popular among liberal Catholics, but more as a moral figure than a celebrity, and certainly not as a campaign prop.

But if Sanders isn't trying to touch the political hem of the pope's garment, what then?

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #8)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:32 PM

44. According to the FEC, yes, it was illegal, and he had to know it

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #44)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:39 PM

57. Link?

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #80)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:55 PM

90. sorry, no. That is simply the conclusion of politicade, whatever the heck politicade is.

It is not a ruling by the FEC, let alone a conviction.

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Response to merrily (Reply #90)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:09 PM

109. I have been googling "Politicade" and can't find out anything about it

except that it seems to be a very new, fanatically pro-Clinton and more fanatically anti-Sanders blog-type thingy. It could be one of Brock's efforts at trolling, but considering that it seems to be even farther off the rails than Blue Nation I wouldn't worry about what they think. They're such fanatics that they've even thrown Elizabeth Warren under the bus.
http://www.politicade.com/elizabeth-warren-owes-hillary-clinton-an-apology/

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #44)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:47 PM

73. yes, link? nt

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:11 PM

9. "We will never get past the primary if sore winners choose to keep trashing Bernie Sanders."

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Response to QC (Reply #9)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:12 PM

12. Can't be posted enough...

 

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:12 PM

11. Keep driving away voters for your candidate in November...

 

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #11)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:13 PM

13. We are not allowed to have conversation about Sanders illegally taking out of campaign funds?

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #13)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:16 PM

18. You can do whatever you like...

 

However, if you're soooo confident that Secretary Clinton will get the nomination, then WHY antagonize Senator Sanders' supporters with this unfounded dribble? Again, you are NOT doing your candidate favors by this nonsense...

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #18)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:34 PM

130. You might want to head over to the BS threads right now

 

and tell all those who are sure Sanders will become the nominee that the endless attacks on Hillary need to stop immediately so as not to alienate voters

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Response to realmirage (Reply #130)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:37 PM

132. Which threads?

 

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #132)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:38 PM

133. You know, the ones who are expecting the indictment fairy

 

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:14 PM

14. Are you sure you know what the word means?

 

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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Reply #14)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:23 PM

29. It's funny how MSNBC and Hillary supporters both misued that word repeatedly.

Andrea Mitchell, the Game Change authors, etc. All used that word. Coincidence that they would all use/misuse the same word, isn't it?

Same word Dick Cheney used about Plame, too. Hmmm.

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Response to hill2016 (Reply #31)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:33 PM

46. Either that or a lot of people got the misuse from the same source.

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Response to merrily (Reply #46)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:15 PM

122. what about this article from 2011

 

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Response to hill2016 (Reply #122)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:23 PM

125. I have no idea which point you are trying to make.

Just from the link itself, though, it seems the article is about trips taken at taxpayer expense, which fits right in with the definition posted on this thread, but does not fit a donor funded trip.

If you have a point to make, you are going to need to articulate it.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:14 PM

15. Still hurting over that huh?

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Response to Autumn (Reply #15)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:18 PM

19. Everything Sanders does or says or fails to do or say causes no end of butthurt on DU.

I feel cheated. I never got a menu with my name on it when I flew.

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Response to merrily (Reply #19)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:19 PM

22. I'm beginning to really enjoy it.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #22)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:29 PM

37. Think of it as performance art.

Totally pointless performance art, it's true, but, after all, art is its own reason for being.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:18 PM

20. You're still here?

 

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:18 PM

21. At the Clinton Foundation, it's just called "Thursday." n/t

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:21 PM

25. This is beginning to look like a really unhealthy obsession.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:23 PM

27. Thanks for posting, I hadn't seen this. Not really consistent with his image, is it? nt

 

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Response to eastwestdem (Reply #27)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:31 PM

42. You hadn't seen that hotel ad?

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:23 PM

28. This still drives you crazy.

 

Ha.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:23 PM

30. Awww, does somebody need a hug?

Poor baby.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:24 PM

32. Just for giggles, how does posting an odd menu and a hotel ad prove how much Bernie spent?

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Response to merrily (Reply #32)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:10 PM

111. I am with you.

A link to an ad for a hotel doesn't prove squat.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:25 PM

34. If you HRC sycophants keep this up, no Bernie folks will vote for your precious.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #34)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:27 PM

35. I think she's going to pivot to the center for the GE

 

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Response to hill2016 (Reply #35)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:30 PM

40. Astute analysis

But when HRC pivots to the center--she has to make a left turn.

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Response to hill2016 (Reply #35)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:32 PM

43. Whoa? Who could have guess THAT!

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Response to hill2016 (Reply #35)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:50 PM

79. "Center" meaning somewhere around GW Bush...or maybe John McCain

 

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Response to hill2016 (Reply #35)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:14 PM

118. She'll have to make a sharp left turn to get anywhere near the center.

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Response to hill2016 (Reply #35)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:10 AM

145. The word is "evolve", not pivot.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:28 PM

36. Aw shucks, just a couple of Clinton Speeches worth. LOL

 

Now you can see why he's so fit. That's one heck of a healthy menu.

Seems HRC hasn't driven herself since the 90s. Wonder how much money has gone to chaueffers over the past 25 or so years?

Probably $50,000 a year times 25!!! Speaking of Bernie Math! LOL

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiRl9fzp4_NAhUDxWMKHdIDAC8QFggfMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fnews%2Fhillary-clinton-hasnt-driven-a-car-since-1996%2F&usg=AFQjCNE6IvFbVTaRTnSonIv7EhqqGvt95g&sig2=R9G9hxmlTRYpPQiYGjLoZA&bvm=bv.123664746,d.cGc

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #36)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:35 PM

48. her speeches weren't paid illegaly with campaign funds

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #48)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:47 PM

70. No...they were campaign funds incoming...there is a latin statement

 

for that, but I forget it right now. Bernie has campaign advisers, so I'm sure he'll be OK.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #70)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:58 PM

99. very astute

 

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:30 PM

39. but he did get to ambush the Pope before breakfast for a handshake - that has to be worth

a couple hundred thousand

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Response to DrDan (Reply #39)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:41 PM

60. LOL! What nonsense. Please see Reply 17.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:30 PM

41. Yes, only the uber wealthy can afford that. So he took the money from his campaign contribitions to

experience how they live...ahhh, the good life...the sweet life...we would all like to live it, including Bernie. Problem he did it with other people's money.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:32 PM

45. The "man of the people" settles in with Coriander Crab Salad ?


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Response to Tarc (Reply #45)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:43 PM

63. You know, that must be part of the charter.

It seems pretty jet set, but it's probably just their regular catering sheet with the campaign logo printed on top. It does seem out of touch. I also hope no one in their campaign has a seafood allergy.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:37 PM

51. Now this is MUD SLINGING!

 

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:39 PM

54. Wow! That equals 2 Hillary speeches. What a travesty!

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:39 PM

55. The obsession returns with a vengeance. This was hilarious the 1st time

Hillary supporters in a fit

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:39 PM

56. NOBODY CARES

If you are trying to position Bernie alongside people who spend $330,000 for sitting next to a candidate for dinner, it's a fruitless endeavor.

NOBODY CARES.

And his donors are so happy he went.

YOu got no skin in his game, so give it up.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:41 PM

59. As a donar I'm fine with it. A 1%er doesn't have ask for money to go.



Don't you know that.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #59)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:44 PM

66. You do not matter. I think the issue is FEC is not ok with it.

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #66)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:48 PM

75. link? nt

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #66)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:48 PM

76. Then Bernie can work it out with them but I thought the trip was a good campaign move.


The conference was an international conference on income inequality

He met world players which elevated him.

In one inequality is his big topic.

I'm don't know campaign finance law but as a law person it didn't seem that different from flying across the country to discuss a campaign topic.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #76)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:50 PM

82. Yes. Sanders can figure it out with FEC. I had hear both prior and after that he could not

 

pay thru campaign, specific laws.

Whether one sees it worth it or not, or having any validity? That is a whole other discussion we aren't having, and we can certainly have differing views.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #76)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:55 PM

91. Taking 10 family members and staying at 5-star hotels? Isn't that -at the very least- an

awful waste of campaign funds?

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #59)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:12 PM

114. Yeah, actually, we donors FORCED Bernie to go to Rome.

We used our special Bernie Sanders ESP network to communicate this demand. He had to do it to prove he wasn't hostile to this Pope.


Look, if this is really all the Hillary Clinton team has got.....it is pretty pathetic. As I have said before, there is such a thing as good sportsmanship for winners. If you really think you are winners, why not be good sports about it?

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:44 PM

67. I still get a chuckle about the level of butthurt that trip caused.

The menu is exactly what you'd expect on an international charter and although it's made to look fancy it's not especially. Read a menu at any restaurant fancier than Denny's and you see the same hyped descriptions. Potato salad? Lentil soup? Seafood salad? When did that get to be haute cuisine except in a menu copy-writer's wet dream? Please. Give it a rest. If Hillary's winning why do you people give even the tiniest little shit?

Of course, when Hillary travels she takes the Greyhound, carries her own bag, stays at a Motel 6 and doesn't ask for anything fancier than a diet Coke and a bag of Doritos, right? Or not...

Hillary Rodham Clinton likes to travel in style.

She insists on staying in the “presidential suite” of luxury hotels that she chooses anywhere in the world, including Las Vegas.

She usually requires those who pay her six-figure fees for speeches to also provide a private jet for transportation — only a $39 million, 16-passenger Gulfstream G450 or larger will do.

And she doesn’t travel alone, relying on an entourage of a couple of “travel aides,” and a couple of advance staffers who check out her speech site in the days leading up to her appearance, much like a White House trip, according to her contract and supporting documents concerning her Oct. 13 speech at a University of Nevada, Las Vegas Foundation fundraiser.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/high-fashion-expense-hillary-travel

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #67)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:48 PM

77. This is rich...pun intended.

 

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:49 PM

78. Link please. Where do you get $500k? n/t

 

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:53 PM

84. Still butthurt over the Vatican visit, huh?

 

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #84)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:35 PM

131. What Vatican visit?

 

Sanders gave a 10 minute speech during a coffee break at a conference in Vatican City and then waited in a driveway in the dark to get a handshake.

What's especially delicious is that Sanders is on the short list of people who have been pwned by Pope Francis.

"Of course I'll stop my car to shake his hand. And because he's claiming that he didn't come to Rome as a publicity stunt, I'm sure he'll understand why I won't allow photos."

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:53 PM

85. illegal use of campaign funs...no surprise considering that sanders beleives laws and rules don't

 

apply to him or his followers


this IS an indictable offense


sanders in prison could be pretty funny

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #85)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:58 PM

98. How do you know that campaign funds were used,

and if they were, that it was illegal? And do you really think anyone managing that campaign would be foolish enough to spend campaign funds illegally on an event that was that well-publicized? All campaign receipts and expenditures have to be reported to the FEC and are subject to audit. Nobody would be dumb enough to use campaign funds illegally in such a public manner. You have to be a lot sneakier, like by laundering them through a charitable foundation.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #98)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:01 PM

104. sanders is dumb enough and his campaign team is dumb enough

 

...sheer arrogance that rules don't apply to them are countless examples.....Campaign Finance Laws clearly state that candidates are prohibited from using campaign funds to finance non-campaign related trips or vacations.

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #104)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:11 PM

113. For such dumb people they have done remarkably well, wouldn't you say?

And comments like yours certainly are doing nothing to further party unity. I doubt your heroine would be at all proud of them.

You didn't answer my original question, either.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #113)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:14 PM

119. party unity at this point isn't my concern and I doubt hillary cares either way with what I say

 

sanders has done well because most of his followers are have no idea of his actual record and history...and to hillary's credit...she never bother a lot with talking about bernie and his record or past


and neither did the media...to keep sanders in the primaries


keeping interest is the media's goal as it keeps viewers

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:54 PM

88. Poster has a point don't see hrc giving half a shit about poor folks

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:56 PM

92. I wouldnt know, ask Hillary, shes the big spender, has been all her married life

 

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:56 PM

93. Where is the info on the half million? I see a menu and a hotel site.

I'm probably missing something. I've flown to Rome a few times in business class with similar menus. I've booked my return trip that I'm taking in a few months again. My ticket was just a little over $2000. Right now flights are about $3000. I know that hotel as well although I haven't stayed there. In April you can get a nice room for about 450-550 euro. Maybe less on short notice. Of course if you want an exclusive suite room it's going to cost more maybe even 1000-1500 euro. a lot of money but for a night or two I don't see where the $500,000 figure is coming from. Is there a link?

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Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #93)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:00 PM

102. it is totally made up, a lie

 

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Response to larkrake (Reply #102)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:02 PM

105. Ya think? Have you seen the website this info came from? Politicade? Crazy.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:57 PM

97. I can’t believe that this trip still generates this much venom from Hillary supporters

 

SMH.

Crazy.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #97)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:59 PM

101. she wasnt invited to speak, had to burn

 

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Response to larkrake (Reply #101)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:10 PM

110. Ahh yes, the famous "speech". On the undercard, 10 minutes allotted, right before lunch

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:12 PM

116. Omg - are you still upset about this? Honey, get some help.

It was a once in a lifetime opportunity.

Do you never do anything spontaneous because an opportunity presented itself?
That is what life is about.

He left NY during an important primary because this meant so much to him.

It saddens me to see someone so upset about another person opening the door when opportunity knocked.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:14 PM

120. Must be nice. nt

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:17 PM

123. Every claim you make turns out false in the end

 

Oooooh! Aiiiirrplane fooood!!

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:19 PM

124. I don't know if I'd call it a junket, I'd call it pandering

 

That backfired on him big time.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:28 PM

126. I viseted Rome once, courtesy of my Uncle Sam

I stayed in these lush accommodations.



Getting me there with 5999 of my dearest friends was a bit pricey.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:32 PM

129. What is the purpose of this post...

You post this f'ing phoney accusation disguised in snark and do not reply to a single reply. Posts like this are like the provacateurs at political rallys...just stirring up shit because you can.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:42 PM

134. That was 500,000 Lira wasn't it or $288.03 US

right!

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:48 PM

141. Hey, someone can eat coriander crab salad while taking a trip to Rome on a private jet,

and still be an enemy of the oligarchy and a friend of the working class.

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Response to hill2016 (Original post)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:58 PM

144. Go post this in Castle Bansalot where someone cares.

 

Because here, no one does.

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