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Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:02 AM Jun 2016

People who support the existence of superdelegates are hypocrites when they complain about

other people trying to "steal" their superdelegates.

We should just eliminate superdelegates altogether for the next election cycle, in 2020.

Superdelegates are not bound by how their states voted, or by the overall vote, or by the pledged delegates.

That's very undemocratic. The system is very undemocratic. It is designed to prevent established politicians from losing to grass roots activist movements. The superdelegate system is awful.

But if you like that system, if you defend it, and then you turn around and whine about people trying to play by the rules, and accuse people of trying to "steal" superdelegates, then you're just a huge hypocrite. It's just more proof that we are not welcome and not wanted inside the Democratic Party.

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(765 posts)
1. Bernie has the right to try to turn the SD's, but I think we all know that this
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:16 AM
Jun 2016

isn't going to happen. SD's are not going to overturn the will of the people. The voters have spoken and continue to speak loud and clear. Hillary will be even more ahead in the popular vote and in the pledged delegates after Tuesday. She already has 13 million more votes than Bernie...Why in the world would they turn around and give it to him? That's insanity.

What's hypocritical is what Bernie and his supporters said about SD's early on--about how they were undemocratic. Well if they are undemocratic, why in the hell is Bernie now trying to use them to win? He wants to win by a method he finds undemocratic? That's hypocrisy.


Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
2. I agree they almost certainly will not switch but that's why we have an election and a convention
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:30 AM
Jun 2016

Listening to the other side just repeat over and over against that YOU CAN'T WIN for 12 months straight it gets kind of annoying.


(8,311 posts)
6. I'm sure it does.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 04:19 AM
Jun 2016

SDs theoretically exist in the case of a tight three-way primary, as otherwise you get what the Republicans could have gotten, a brokered convention where multiple ballots were required. There's usually a way to compromise and get enough uncommitteds or people backing the candidate that drops out first to get the "magic majority" for a nominee who won a plurality of the pledged delegates but not a majority.

They aren't supposed to decide two-way races just because they weren't 720+ delegate landide victories.


(8,311 posts)
3. No, what's hypocritical is Bernie's entire campaign being based around SDs being evil....
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 04:00 AM
Jun 2016

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... and that they were going to steal the nomination from HIM despite getting more pledge delegates....

And then proposing the exact same thing when he's losing pledged delegates hard instead.

Of course, I'm not counting anything he says as serious until after everyone, including DC, has voted and he's had time to come up with a proper concession. Right now the constant "Hillary will win anyway", even if true, has a tendency of suppressing voter turnout. If nothing else, Bernie has to show he's still fighting for his supporters, even in his concession when it happens.

And I don't expect he'll disappoint me by actually trying to contest the convention if an even split of all non-already announced Bernie superdelegates (so about 50 freebies) still gives Hillary 2383.


B Calm

(28,762 posts)
5. My state Indiana voted for Bernie, but every superdelegate is voting for Hillary. Rigged
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 04:03 AM
Jun 2016

Stinks to high heaven.

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