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sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:28 AM Jun 2016

The White Entitlement Of Some Sanders Supporters

“Killary Clinton is stealing the nomination and the system is rigged against Bernie Sanders,” said the two young white guys standing behind me in line. They rambled incessantly about how she was cheating and could not be trusted. Superdelegates were their greatest frustration. Unelected delegates who could “decide” the nomination proved that the process was a sham that was intentionally set up to prevent Sanders from winning.

At first I tried to ignore the conversation and thought they were Trump supporters (“Killary” is usually a right-wing thing). But once it became clear that these guys were Sanders supporters, I had to jump in. For years, these guys had been “my people.” I have been a fan of Sanders long before his presidential run and have made many friends due to our mutual admiration of his policies. Surely, I’d be able to have a civil, rational conversation with these guys, right?

When, I chimed in it was evident that we were speaking different languages. We agreed on most of the substantive policy issues, and I told them how I even interned for Sanders about a decade ago. We should have been able to see eye to eye, but we could not. The main source of their frustration was merely the fact that they had lost. The fact that she is ahead in the popular vote, has won more primaries and caucuses, and has earned more delegates was to them a minor nuisance. They had their absurd talking points and were unwilling to deviate into reality.

The more I reflected on them, the more I realized the key point: They felt entitled to win, and a defeat meant that someone must have cheated or that their opinions did not matter, which of course couldn’t be true. They preferred to suspend reality and fabricate injustices rather than concede that Sanders has lost fair and square.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/05/the-white-entitlement-of-some-sanders-supporters.html

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The White Entitlement Of Some Sanders Supporters (Original Post) sufrommich Jun 2016 OP
The more one moves from the political center in either direction, the more their relative measures Trust Buster Jun 2016 #1
There are some remarkable similarities between the two extremes. sufrommich Jun 2016 #2
The temperaments of the two extremes are identical. This is because, with these narcissistic Trust Buster Jun 2016 #6
"They felt entitled to win"... SidDithers Jun 2016 #3
The projection is awe inspiring. eom. PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #76
Or it could be we like the candidate further to the left shawn703 Jun 2016 #4
It's just one person's opinion JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #9
At the time rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #13
So the PUMAs who adored Hillary last time shawn703 Jun 2016 #22
I suspect many of them are now rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #32
There are far more claims of misogyny (and sexism and racism) coming from the Clinton camp PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #77
It's not about particular episodes or events rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #79
I never denied that misogyny (and sexism and racism) exist but that it is rare in Sanders campaign PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #80
It's more like the people that hated Hillary in 2008 are her loudest supporters now. hobbit709 Jun 2016 #64
Funny how when Sanders thought Obama should be primaried in 2012, he wasn't the one to step up. BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #29
Except that Hillary is getting the votes from sufrommich Jun 2016 #16
I did those things? shawn703 Jun 2016 #24
Jury results pintobean Jun 2016 #5
Wow.Thanks,can't imagine what's "alertable" about this article. sufrommich Jun 2016 #7
100% agree with you - I was 7 DrDan Jun 2016 #10
It should have been 0-7 pintobean Jun 2016 #15
I know Stuckinthebush Jun 2016 #27
The jury system now exists to protect Bernie Sanders supporters from other people's opinions. BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #30
Been that way for a long time Stuckinthebush Jun 2016 #34
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #38
I was juror #3 JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #61
Ha! NurseJackie Jun 2016 #8
The "extreme" qualifier applies in either direction--left or right. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #11
It's a generational divide SpareribSP Jun 2016 #12
It is a broad brush Blue_Adept Jun 2016 #17
It's still delegitimizing, though. SpareribSP Jun 2016 #36
A majority of PoC under 30 are NOT voting for Sanders, polls before SC proved such I've uponit7771 Jun 2016 #39
Data was shown here SpareribSP Jun 2016 #70
I am sure there is some white entitlement among Sanders Supporters, however gordianot Jun 2016 #14
Didn't Hillary express that she'd do different? Is Sanders expressing that He'll stop saying uponit7771 Jun 2016 #45
Well doing it different just clears her from any responsibility now and in the future gordianot Jun 2016 #69
I'm sure glad a planned coronation of a white woman isn't considered white privilege. mmonk Jun 2016 #18
There was no "coronation". I find this meme that Hillary sufrommich Jun 2016 #19
So do I. LisaM Jun 2016 #40
It's been clear from the beginning starting with debate schedules. mmonk Jun 2016 #50
She won by 3 million more votes how in the hell is that a coronation!? The racial and gender ... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #46
"Respectfully, if that is your position, then I will only talk to white people" chascarrillo Jun 2016 #20
Of course,that was a response to a BLM activist telling her that sufrommich Jun 2016 #21
She has constantly been dismissive of BLM. She has continually engaged in racism. chascarrillo Jun 2016 #25
I didn't write the article,an African-American male did. sufrommich Jun 2016 #26
Have you heard Bernie talk about the 'ghetto' Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #31
We know you haven't MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #42
I have and it is you who is ignorant. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #71
I can always count on "kindness and love" from you... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #72
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #37
Remember when to be progressive meant that you were educated? That you utilized critical thinking? BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #23
Two people (TWO PEOPLE) establish a broad consensus.. Herman4747 Jun 2016 #28
No, but Sanders does saying the system he lost fair and squre in is "rigged" when his own damn uponit7771 Jun 2016 #48
"he lost fair and squre in is "rigged"?? Herman4747 Jun 2016 #58
Ad homs are an indicator of a weak position uponit7771 Jun 2016 #59
Appears to be racist divisive article from a Chelsea puppet (Daily Beast) PowerToThePeople Jun 2016 #33
Barrett Holmes Pitner is the author of the article. sufrommich Jun 2016 #35
And ends up looking like nothing but projection on their part... nt BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #43
Race baiting... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #41
How is this "race baiting" ? sufrommich Jun 2016 #44
Race baiting is now a "conservative term" is it? MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #47
Yes,"race baiting" is a conservative term. sufrommich Jun 2016 #49
Did you get that out of some new dictionary? MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #53
When its used as a deflection against facts involving race and always has been uponit7771 Jun 2016 #52
Today on DU, I leared that "race baiting" is a conservative term, and Marr Jun 2016 #78
.... is the response openly and overt racist give to racial facts not in dispute. Seems like some... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #51
"White entitlement" PowerToThePeople Jun 2016 #55
Yes it is, it describes exactly how the gender and racial establishment in the DNC is acting seeing uponit7771 Jun 2016 #56
Camp Weathervane first attacked Bernie's policies. He went from 3% to 25%. Scuba Jun 2016 #54
but still jonmac511 Jun 2016 #57
Barrett Holmes Pitner is a politics and race-and-culture journalist based in Washington, DC... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #60
I notice you cherry pick his articles: sufrommich Jun 2016 #62
Maybe you should have read those articles, too... I copied down the line, so include them, too. MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #65
Another racially divisive, anti-Bernie post! Shocking. You Hillary fanatics have no decency. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #63
Consider the source. ‘Daily Beast’ has Hillary Clinton’s daughter Chelsea. CobaltBlue Jun 2016 #66
Because HRC and her supporters LWolf Jun 2016 #67
It seems weird calling people who are supporting a more "socialistic" govt that lifts all people and glowing Jun 2016 #68
They are projecting AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #73
words of the irony challenged all to get a white woman who is the embodiment of white privilege azurnoir Jun 2016 #74
Haven't you already posted this trash? PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #75
Black-splaining how white people should react to an election loss Dems to Win Jun 2016 #81
kick & recommended. William769 Jun 2016 #82
 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
1. The more one moves from the political center in either direction, the more their relative measures
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:35 AM
Jun 2016

of narcissism increases. Your friends very much feel entitled. They can't be wrong in their minds. They think that they're false sense of entitlement should mean that the minority should rule over the majority. You followed Sanders for all the right reasons. They follow Sanders and make such foolish claims to compensate for their insecurities. I see this on the far Right all the time.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
2. There are some remarkable similarities between the two extremes.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:38 AM
Jun 2016

The uncritical belief in conspiracies is another one.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
6. The temperaments of the two extremes are identical. This is because, with these narcissistic
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:48 AM
Jun 2016

personalities, it's the personality that leads to the policy instead of the policy attracting the personality.

shawn703

(2,702 posts)
4. Or it could be we like the candidate further to the left
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:45 AM
Jun 2016

I'm sure it was "white entitlement" that caused Hillary to lose to Obama in '08 rather than people just wanting to support the candidate further to the left.

JustAnotherGen

(31,780 posts)
9. It's just one person's opinion
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:51 AM
Jun 2016

At The Daily Beast. Just as you have an opinion.

I served on the jury for the op a few minutes ago and voted to leave it.

This is why. . . Your post.

Discussion is necessary - not censorship of ideas and opinions.

I may not agree with you - but I applaud you for addressing the issue instead of trying to pretend the opinion doesn't exist and the article was never published at The Daily Beast.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
13. At the time
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:54 AM
Jun 2016

it was Clinton supporters (PUMAs) acting like whiny white privileged jerks.

Worked out real good for them huh?

8 years later, stir in some misogyny and campus left naïveté and vanguardism and those same white privileged elements animate the Sanders die hards.

It's been obvious to some of us all along that the Sanders campaign (I used to exempt Sanders himself, but no longer) is fueled by white privileged and supercharged by misogyny. If y'all were facing Obama (who was hardly "left" in the same way Sanders is and who favored a smarter but still neoconservative foreign policy -- don't you guys hate him now anyway?) you'd be doing the same foot dragging whiny dance.

This isn't about who's more "left" anymore. Some of us recognize America is a diverse country and that Hillary's liberal centrism captures a much wider swath of American public opinion.

Some of us includes 3 million more actual democratic primary voters. So there's that.

shawn703

(2,702 posts)
22. So the PUMAs who adored Hillary last time
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:13 AM
Jun 2016

are now people who decided they can't stand her this time, because white entitlement?

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
32. I suspect many of them are now
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:32 AM
Jun 2016

Sanders supporters.

A certain type gets off on remaining perpetually angry and outraged. They will attach to whichever campaign appeals to their contrarianism.

Of course since many PUMAs were justifiably angry about the misogyny directed at HRC by Obama supporters at the time (I was an Obama supporter but this is just true, unfortunately it led many PUMAs to launch racist attacks at Obama) they are now happy to support our soon to be nominee and just as annoyed by the even worse misogyny coming from the Sanders camp.

Sore losers gonna sore lose.

PufPuf23

(8,755 posts)
77. There are far more claims of misogyny (and sexism and racism) coming from the Clinton camp
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:48 PM
Jun 2016

than actually occurred within the Sanders camp.

The drum beat of negativity is a very successful political tactic amplified by cherry picking the ways we communicate.

One "knows" there is misogyny (and sexism and racism) from Sanders without ever listening to Sanders or going to a Sanders event.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
79. It's not about particular episodes or events
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:25 PM
Jun 2016

It's a constant tone of misogyny, right from the start, in language about "coronations" and "Hillary the queen" just for a start.

She has been attacked and demeaned in ways no male politician is, for decades now, and Sanders supporters have kept it up.

And then there's the awful and overtly sexist language used against women in the party establishment, DWS and Barbara Boxer to name just two.

It's not dissimilar to the implicit racism of remarks about how (heavily black) dem primary voters in the "deep south" don't count as much as (or are less well informed than) white voters in the mountain west, or a certain tone deafness to civil rights issues that can't be linked to income inequality.

If you don't see it, you're part of the problem. My wife started out considering Bernie (and I started out supporting him). Now she finds his campaign so blatantly misogynist in tone she has turned completely against Bernie (as have I, for this and other reasons including having a few daughters).

PufPuf23

(8,755 posts)
80. I never denied that misogyny (and sexism and racism) exist but that it is rare in Sanders campaign
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:45 PM
Jun 2016

and identified by confirmation bias and cherry picked and amplified to further what I already said.

My point was that Clinton et al repeat these smears daily based upon rare or non-existent events or where similar events are in Clinton's campaign or history.

The constant tone is not from Sanders or his campaign but from those that use the media to label Sanders as such.

The same things could be said of the Hillary Clinton side of the equation. I never said Sanders et al are perfect. What I do say is that misogyny (and sexism and racism) are not the soul of Sanders or his supporters. Politics can be all about false attribution and the Hillary Clinton campaigns in 2008 and 2016 are prime examples. You can not see it because you would have to face somethin g unpleasant about yourself and people like you. I am not saying both sides don't use this technique, it is common in politics.

I always use the term Hillary Clinton then followed by Clinton when writing and never identify a pol by first name nor smear name.

I have called Hillary Clinton a neo-liberal and a neo-conservative because Clinton supports those economical and political methods and philosophies.

Once I had a post hidden because I did call Hillary Clinton a psychopath as the title to a post that contained the "Libya We came He died" video and also in the body said Hillary Clinton reminded me of Richard Nixon which is a true statement.

I am not part of the problem. I am sincere.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
29. Funny how when Sanders thought Obama should be primaried in 2012, he wasn't the one to step up.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:26 AM
Jun 2016

Despite what we hear from the Left about Obama and Clinton both being "Republican-Lite," what made Sanders hesitate against Obama but not against Clinton?

I wonder...

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
16. Except that Hillary is getting the votes from
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:03 AM
Jun 2016

most of the groups that were the Obama coalition. It's interesting that you only recognize white college kids as Obama voters. It's also interesting that you don't acknowledge that Sanders is getting the anti Obama vote and has two prominent spokespersons who are virulently anti Obama in Sarandon and West.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
5. Jury results
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:47 AM
Jun 2016

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pintobean

(18,101 posts)
15. It should have been 0-7
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:02 AM
Jun 2016

It was a difficult first read with the skipping wtf record playing in my head over the alert.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
30. The jury system now exists to protect Bernie Sanders supporters from other people's opinions.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:28 AM
Jun 2016

Enforcing the ToS? Ha! As if.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
11. The "extreme" qualifier applies in either direction--left or right.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:52 AM
Jun 2016

Not to mention "spoiled and entitled".

SpareribSP

(325 posts)
12. It's a generational divide
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:53 AM
Jun 2016

Under-45s in California, a fairly diverse state, are voting 66% Sanders. Also I read a while back that a majority of black people 30 and under voted for Bernie. This sort of divisive us-versus-them stuff is really ugly though, regardless.

"If you’re young, white and privileged, you don’t expect to lose. When you do, it must be because you got cheated. Blacks know better." This is a ridiculously broad-brush statement about eight ways over. It's just fanning the flames of these various conflicts. I hope this sort of post is banned later, because it's about as unifying as punching someone in the face and yelling "RIOT!"

Blue_Adept

(6,393 posts)
17. It is a broad brush
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:04 AM
Jun 2016

The thing is, though, is that eight years after the last major election on our side, the social media aspect has changed significantly and there are far more voices and data points out there from which to paint with the brush.

You see far more instances of what the original author is describing now. Some of it is just plain trolling, some of it is authentic, some of it is bandwagonism.

But within it there are kernels of truth that need to be examined as opposed to hidden and ignored and denied. That's how we as a party move forward.

SpareribSP

(325 posts)
36. It's still delegitimizing, though.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:43 AM
Jun 2016

If you saw a young, white male who was a strong fan of Bernie Sanders, would your mind start taking shortcuts now to thinking that he's entitled, violent, sexist? This is otherizing. It sets up a narrative that allows for endless attacks. You see it all over DU.

Some questions to ask that aren't present are why Sanders was supported in the first place, and why they're so upset with Hillary now. Perhaps also some introspection as to why accusations of cheating stick to Hillary would be useful too. Not condoning it, just it's worth thinking about.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
39. A majority of PoC under 30 are NOT voting for Sanders, polls before SC proved such I've
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:50 AM
Jun 2016

... seen no polls here recently

That's why the overwhelming vote for Sanders is white male

SpareribSP

(325 posts)
70. Data was shown here
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:54 PM
Jun 2016
http://www.npr.org/2016/03/28/472160616/-berniemademewhite-no-bernie-sanders-isnt-just-winning-with-white-people

First, PoC doesn't mean "Black People". If you take in the votes of other minorities then my statement is obviously correct - he did very well in some minority demographics, especially with younger people.

If you're just talking about black people, I believe those numbers are still about the same now with Bernie a bit ahead, but I can't find it. Remember Erica Garner being endorsing Bernie, but her mom endorsing Hillary? Similar things are happening everywhere. There's a generational divide.

gordianot

(15,233 posts)
14. I am sure there is some white entitlement among Sanders Supporters, however
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:58 AM
Jun 2016

What do you call the behavior of a former Secretary of State who essentially made her own rules places her employees in legal and ethical jeapordy and expects to skate free of any legal repercussions, criticism or even minimal responsibility?

Don't you wish you could get $250,000 a pop for who knows 30 minutes of work with the ultimate institution of white entitlement Wall Street.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
45. Didn't Hillary express that she'd do different? Is Sanders expressing that He'll stop saying
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:54 AM
Jun 2016

... the system the long shot black guy won with in 08 is rigged against the older, white skinned, well off, heterosexual, male now?

The article is about white male privilege and it showing in the entitlement of saying the system is rigged when there's little doubt HRC whooped Sanders ass fair and square especially seeing his team OPENLY claimed they didn't compete in the "southern states"

come back

tia

gordianot

(15,233 posts)
69. Well doing it different just clears her from any responsibility now and in the future
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:33 PM
Jun 2016

Looks like you accept that white privilege whole hearted with some excuses heap those privileges on just a little.

I am sure every door has been open to Mr. Sanders his entire life due to the melanin content in his skin.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
18. I'm sure glad a planned coronation of a white woman isn't considered white privilege.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:04 AM
Jun 2016

Especially one who has represented Wall Street so well.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
19. There was no "coronation". I find this meme that Hillary
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:08 AM
Jun 2016

behaves as a "queen" who thinks "it's her turn" to be as tone deaf as most of the other stuff coming from Sanders supporters during this election.

LisaM

(27,794 posts)
40. So do I.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:51 AM
Jun 2016

I try to ignore it, but I don't like it. Hillary works very hard, she takes nothing for granted, despite this sour narrative. I do chuckle when people misuse the word "coronate". It shows intellectual laziness.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
50. It's been clear from the beginning starting with debate schedules.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:59 AM
Jun 2016

The party didn't want any type of real primary.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
46. She won by 3 million more votes how in the hell is that a coronation!? The racial and gender ...
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:56 AM
Jun 2016

... establishment in America rarely want to acknowledge the accomplishments of the others

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
21. Of course,that was a response to a BLM activist telling her that
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:13 AM
Jun 2016

black people aren't the problem and that she should be talking to white people about racism. Funny how you left that out.

chascarrillo

(3,897 posts)
25. She has constantly been dismissive of BLM. She has continually engaged in racism.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:22 AM
Jun 2016

But two white dudes in a bar complain about the system, and that's what's worthy of your time and words. Tells me a lot about your priorities.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
26. I didn't write the article,an African-American male did.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:24 AM
Jun 2016

You took a quote out of context and are now attempting to paper over it.

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
31. Have you heard Bernie talk about the 'ghetto'
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:30 AM
Jun 2016

Honestly, it was embarrassing. He has no interest in issues that affect women or people of color.

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
71. I have and it is you who is ignorant.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:40 AM
Jun 2016

Only Black people are poor of course ...right Bernie?

"When you're white, you don't know what it's like to be living in a ghetto. You don't know what it's like to be poor. You don't know what it's like to be hassled when you walk down the street or you get dragged out of a car," Sanders said at the debate.

Quote by Bernie Sanders
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/bernie-sanders-attempts-clarify-ghetto-comment-n533466



MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
72. I can always count on "kindness and love" from you...
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:35 PM
Jun 2016


Plus, taking any meaningful conversation out of context! There's THAT, too!

Response to chascarrillo (Reply #25)

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
23. Remember when to be progressive meant that you were educated? That you utilized critical thinking?
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:16 AM
Jun 2016

I do.

These days, though... Not so much of that going on among those who call themselves "progressive" but act more like fringe conservatives.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
48. No, but Sanders does saying the system he lost fair and squre in is "rigged" when his own damn
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:58 AM
Jun 2016

... team admitted twice that they didn't compete in the "southern states"

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
33. Appears to be racist divisive article from a Chelsea puppet (Daily Beast)
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:34 AM
Jun 2016

So nothing unusual for this election cycle.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
35. Barrett Holmes Pitner is the author of the article.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:42 AM
Jun 2016




Another thing I see Sanders supporters to do often is diminish anyone who disagrees with them and portray them as devious mouthpieces doing their masters bidding. To all but the most ardent Bernie supporters that comes off as insulting and dismissive.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
44. How is this "race baiting" ?
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:54 AM
Jun 2016


Why use this dismissive conservative term whenever race enters any discussion?

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
47. Race baiting is now a "conservative term" is it?
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:56 AM
Jun 2016

You entered this discussion based on terms of race... You're so smart, you figure it out.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
78. Today on DU, I leared that "race baiting" is a conservative term, and
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:16 PM
Jun 2016

the FBI is a right-wing think tank.



Pretty much tells you all you need to know about the Team Hillary mindset.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
51. .... is the response openly and overt racist give to racial facts not in dispute. Seems like some...
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:59 AM
Jun 2016

... people out to check their racial progressiveness meter again.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
55. "White entitlement"
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:05 AM
Jun 2016

Is not a "fact" of this story. It it a personal opinion that is used to create a division along racial lines.

That to me sounds like the textbook definition of racism.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
56. Yes it is, it describes exactly how the gender and racial establishment in the DNC is acting seeing
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:11 AM
Jun 2016

... its Sanders himself calling the system the long show black guy won with in 08 "rigged"

Bullshit, he just got his ass kicked by 3 million votes mostly cause his dumb ass'd team decided not to compete in the "southern states" by their own admission.

He shouldn't call the system rigged, he should call this race for HRC and get on with getting her a progressive congress

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
54. Camp Weathervane first attacked Bernie's policies. He went from 3% to 25%.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:02 AM
Jun 2016

Then they attacked his character. He went from 25% to 49%.








Now they're reduced to attacking his supporters. Pathetic.

jonmac511

(46 posts)
57. but still
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:20 AM
Jun 2016

All while demanding that Sanders supporters vote for Clinton in the general. People seem to look at this as winning and nothing else. It's sad, really. The Clinton supporters feel entitled because they voted for Obama and now it's their turn. White privilege is a tool of ignorance and most people that use that tool are usually the ones that benefit from it most of all. Any chance of voting for Hillary are diminishing quickly because of the entitled attitude of her supporters.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
60. Barrett Holmes Pitner is a politics and race-and-culture journalist based in Washington, DC...
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:31 AM
Jun 2016

... who has issues with anything the other candidate might have to say against his HRC race-centric cheerleading, according to his Daily Beast "articles". I would more rightfully deem him the proverbial door knob for Hillary's David Brock, who already had no problem throwing Bill Clinton under the bus. These people sure are "special"!

Here are some of his Beast touted "articles"...

"When White People Have to Face Defeat"
"How Hillary Can Boost Black Turnout"
"Hillary's Secret Turnout Ally: BLM"
"The Berniacs Who Want to Watch it All Burn"
"How to Accept Hillary As a Bernie Fan"
"Why Black Celeb Endorsements Matter Most"

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
62. I notice you cherry pick his articles:
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:39 AM
Jun 2016

How Hillary Let Down #BlackLivesMatter
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/18/how-hillary-let-down-blacklivesmatter.html



Hillary Clinton’s Tone-Deaf Racial Pandering
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/29/hillary-clinton-s-tone-deaf-racial-pandering.html




Maybe,just maybe,every article against Bernie isn't a conspiracy using puppets of the Clinton machine. Maybe this writer's opinions are nuanced and a true reflection of his thoughts on race.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
65. Maybe you should have read those articles, too... I copied down the line, so include them, too.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:08 AM
Jun 2016

For example, the tone-deaf racial pandering leads the reader into a "mia culpa" in the way both Sanders and Clinton started out awkwardly to the black community, more so with Clinton's more numerous examples of "Hispandering". The article ends with -

Despite being popular among Latino and African-American voters, Clinton still needs to solidify her support amongst these electorates. To do so, she will need to navigate a fairly uncharted terrain of cultural sensitivity, awareness, and respect that is new to American politics. (The GOP does not even dare to venture into this territory.) If more of Clinton’s outreach attempts seem tone deaf or overly reliant on her previous successes than her present rapport with today’s voters, it will be difficult for her to shake the image of being out of touch.


Which strikes Clinton with a feather as to how she should proceed if she's ever to "shake" this image.

He's still a door knob, and the point was made before you cherry-picked your own examples.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
63. Another racially divisive, anti-Bernie post! Shocking. You Hillary fanatics have no decency.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:03 AM
Jun 2016

Of course if you did you wouldn't be supporting Hillary.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
68. It seems weird calling people who are supporting a more "socialistic" govt that lifts all people and
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:11 PM
Jun 2016

provides the very basics of life, as in clean air/ water/ food, housing, education, and health care, as people who are "privileged". How does one equate Sander's positions as "white privilege"? Shouldn't you be excited that younger white males are actively cheering for changes in our judicial/ incarceration system, cheering for universal healthcare, access to quality education regardless of your zip code or your parents/ self's income, excited to hear them cheer for equality for LGBT, excited to hear them cheer for paid maternity leave/ quality child care, equalizing women/ men pay?

AND I'm sorry, I know people who support Clinton call out Sander's people CT regarding the voting suppression, wild results regarding exit poling and voting machines, the DNC and establishment Democrats actively pursuing an agenda against progressive politics, but I really think it's harder to NOT see it, than to actually see it happening. To many of us, the wool has been pulled out of our eyes. The Democrats who campaign in favor of the people and say the Republicans are at fault for not gaining these many needed items for our country, have been shown to be complete frauds. They are beholden to the corporations. AND even more telling, they are actively holding up a candidate that is under FBI investigation. Seriously, that's our litmus test? A little bit better than Donald Trump? 4 to 8 more years of crappy wages, war in the ME, a bloated military budget literally starving our children in the streets of America, costlier higher education, increases in insurance till the point everyone is having to pay the taxation fee because they cannot afford the ACA costs, and an increase in wild weather that causes costly re-building and displacement...

Capitalism as we have been experiencing, especially since Reagan years, is DEAD!! OR desperately needs to die. It should have died with communism. There is no need for a handful of wealthy/ powerful few to rule the world. There is no reason for anyone in any country to be working like a slave for someone else to profit. There is no reason to poison our earth or ourselves with chemicals and pollutants when we know how to do these things in a manner that won't harm everything around us. Fracking, seriously, its something that Cheney got started and Democrats love to take money for, and is more harmful than running coal fired factories.. and its not necessary when we have solar and wind and geo-thermal. There's no reason we are 30 to 40 yrs behind in providing our citizens quality, usable public transportation. There's no reason for people to be working more than 30 hrs a week or having 5 to 6 wks of vacation/ time off, or maternity/ paternity leave, or reasonable/ affordable/ safe housing, access to education, access to Drs when one is sick... There is no reason to struggle so, leave so much work we all see that needs to be done, left unattended, to continue to hear "we can't". We put a man on the damned moon, of course we can.

4-8 more yrs of "we can't", isn't what many people 40 and younger want to hear... In another 8 yrs, many of us will be looking at 50, lucky to have a job at McDonald's or Walmart, making shitty wages and wondering, how the fuck do we ever retire, we can't even afford to take a vacation OR to send our children to college... Is this the world anyone wants to live in? I think many people supporting Sander's are a bit more awake and if he doesn't win the white house, are prepared to stay engaged and push out those "we can't", corporate establishment Dems, for a future that says, "Yes, We Can"....

But keep calling a more socialistic model of govt "white entitlement"... that really goes over so well with 40 and under crowd.. BTW, we are the generations that, for the most part, accept people for who they are, date inter-racially and cross gender with complete ease. We have no problem with our boss' if they are male or female, for the most part (we only care if they are tyrannical assholes or if they are good work leaders). We recognize that we are destroying our planet and want the issue tackled like we did the moon project or building a destructive bomb. AND I'm on the upper side of the age numbers. I'm 37. I worry about living in this country actually inhibiting my children's life and what they can hope to accomplish vs their counter parts in other countries around the world. We are global now; we and they are competing in a big world. A child living in Germany is going to have a massive, massive advantage over my son regarding education, health care, even quality of food and expectations of pay for work and "down time" for family and friends. AND because of the internet and globalization, its something we all easily see and know its because our politicians are bought off that we "can't" have these things. We also know who is funding Clinton. Wall St, banks, and MIC... What do you expect you are going to get from her progressive wise? She doesn't even support $15.00 min wage (and that's still to little to actually live off of in America; it barely pays the rent on a single apt, let alone if you are a single working mom trying to raise a kid or two). For what I can see, she's a woman candidate that does nothing for women regarding policy other than look politically correct on a national stage.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
74. words of the irony challenged all to get a white woman who is the embodiment of white privilege
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:38 PM
Jun 2016

nominated

PufPuf23

(8,755 posts)
75. Haven't you already posted this trash?
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:38 PM
Jun 2016

I agree that there is a white entitlement wing (and those spellbound) of the Democratic party but they are not in general supporters of Sanders.

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
81. Black-splaining how white people should react to an election loss
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:08 PM
Jun 2016

Sweeping generalizations about white Bernie supporters based on one conversation with 2 guys. Detailing their failings due to white privilege.

It's hard for me to imagine this would be published in 2016 if it was a white guy telling black people how to be gracious winners, explaining their failings due to black deprivation.

If you read the article, he links to a letter sent to the Atlantic from a Bernie supporter now tempted to vote for Trump. Here are some quotes the DailyBeast doesn't include, some explanation of why a lefty Occupier would even think of voting for Trump:
http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/05/why-one-bernie-sanders-supporter-is-tempted-to-vote-donald-trump/484841/

I do think a sort of “white” tribalization has something to do with it,
though it isn’t all tribalization; class appeals are part of it as
well. I can remember the first time I was spat on in an activist
meeting, sometime after Occupy. I hadn’t said much of anything, but I have always been an independent thinker and follow my own analysis, something of an idiosyncratic Marxism typically, and it was just for being white and male and not agreeing with whatever the speaker had said. I was “privileged.”

I didn’t make too much of it at the time, as there are always some unpleasant people you end up dealing with while doing activism, but I started noticing more and more of this over the next few years. I was not the only one. Most of my old circle of activist contacts dropped out one by one. Then I dropped out, quit Facebook and social media. It felt like such a relief; things had become so toxic.

Since then, I have been extensively re-evaluating my politics, and I
know there are many others doing the same thing. A left which is
focused on issues of identity and excludes issues of class (it was class issues which drew me to the left years ago) is no friend of mine, and it is no friend of the working class. And if it is all going to be tribal politics, then well, I guess you have to go with your own tribe—if not for your sake, then for the sake of your kids.

Trump as a person seems despicable. But he also seems strong. And he
listens to the popular will. He is against many things that I, as a
leftist, have protested over the years, such as NATO, international
trade agreements, and foreign wars. I feel like the corporate
globalization of the 25+ years has just ripped a hole through this
country, especially in the Midwest where I am from. Clinton will just
continue this and Trump seems like someone who wants it to stop.
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