2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhich candidate do you think American needs right now and why?
Simple question. Please be civil and explain how the choice you believe in will fix the myriad of problems the US is now experiencing.
SamKnause
(14,825 posts)This country needs to take a sharp hard turn to the left.
Our citizens have earned and deserve better.
Our government has abandoned the needs and wants of its citizens.
Bernie will nominate and appoint people who understand what needs
to be done, how to get it done, and how to undue the damage that has been done.
He has earned my respect.
He has earned my admiration.
The time is now.
Our country can not continue down this destructive path.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)and for measurable reasons. They no longer reflect the national culture they aspire to lead.
The landscape has changed, significantly, and new standard-bearers are required.
Sanders is the candidate who most reflects the shift in the national culture, the change in the dialogue with which problems are likely to be addressed in the future. He was decades ahead of Hillary on this. Hillary represents both the party's past and its least attractive features. She's cautious to a fault, demonstrably untruthful, and her campaign remains glaringly absent a unifying vision.
No matter who wins the Democratic nomination, Bernie Sanders' candidacy is the one that will instruct the future of the party. And properly so.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)His vision is better for the country, imo.
Demsrule86
(71,519 posts)Hillary Clinton. She will save the courts and protect progressive progress and may if she beats Trump badly enough...get the House back...then the sky is the limit...without the House the courts are what is important.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Onlaketime
(65 posts)Money, power, status? Love is an emotion, not a candidate in the U.S. election.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)splat
(2,355 posts)Sure sounds like one.
Do your own work or end up dumb as a post.
Onlaketime
(65 posts)and what isn't needed. If you can't give an serious answer then please don't bother responding. The country needs serious answers, not pedantic posts that water down the debate.
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)Onlaketime
(65 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Anything else would be undemocratic.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Onlaketime
(65 posts)And it has been proven quite recently that the US is not a democracy, by the way. It is a corporatocracy where oligarchs purchase power operating under the guise of a democracy. Back to the question at hand, which candidate is the country in dire need of considering all the problems it is facing.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)They both would move the country in a positive direction and address the problems we are facing.
Onlaketime
(65 posts)The same slow decay domestic agenda. The same handouts to corporations. The same warmongering foreign policy that hands a golden goose to the Neocons. The same military industrial complex growth that is robbing us of our savings.
I think Bernie would address these issues in a manner that could actually resolve them and make Americans lives better. What say you?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I think either Bernie or Hillary would keep us moving in the right direction. Though either of them would have to deal with a Congress that is likely to have a Republican majority, so that will be a challenge.
As long as we keep speaking out for the issues that matter, positive change is possible.
Onlaketime
(65 posts)considered as a positive change in any way, shape or form? You do realize that a number of prominent Neocons who are destroying counties and families overseas are endorsing Hillary because they expect to get more of their war on?
Rex
(65,616 posts)Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)and anyone who could do a good job is probably smart enough not to want the damn job in the first place.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)well, he's dead.
But can you imagine a Clinton vs TR debate? Wow. Just WOW!
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)who coincidentally has the most votes
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)Not because they will be able to do much of anything of import, because for the next two years, they won't. However, the most significant change they can address is the US Supreme Court. I don't think people really realize the long-lasting effects the USSC has on the direction of our country. The laws they uphold and create by rulings often have longer lasting effects than anything one President can do without a Congress to go along with them.
Look at Citizens United and what it's done to politics. The reason CU passed is because of previous USSC picks that were sitting on the bench when it came before them. Different Presidents/different Justices and we'd have a different outcome on that decision and the political landscape today would look different.
Imagine what a Trump USSC Justice would look like. You think CU is bad? Just imagine things that could come before the next court with a Trump pick or 3. Roe v. Wade? Gone. I'm sure any case that was brought before the court to dismantle marriage equality would make gay marriage a thing of the past--before I even have the chance to meet and marry my future wife.
So, in the matter of the USSC, the Democratic nominee is what this nations needs.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Democrats Ascendant
(601 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)probably the same ratio of 26% of people have spoken in the Republican primary.
I'd be curious to know what the majority of the remaining 45% think.
As for what the country needs? It needs to realize that what it has been doing for the last 40 years is not working. It needs a candidate that will not continue to make the same mistakes as her predecessors. It needs a candidate that recognizes that the real fight is FOR the people and not just against the rivals. It needs a candidate with demonstrated integrity and the ability to bring people together, not polarize them further.
Most of all, it needs a candidate that realizes that our wars are destroying us as much as the enemies we are making.
Maybe we'll get lucky and have that candidate.
Onlaketime
(65 posts)Compared to the other posts in this thread (aside from the first three), yours stands out as a beacon of intelligence and hope in what appears to be a deceptively dark night. We need Bernie Sanders now, more than ever.
tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)Only Hillary Clinton has presented detailed ideas. Her competitors talk a big game, but haven't presented ANYTHING concrete.
Onlaketime
(65 posts)Was speaking on behalf of and taking huge payments from Goldman Sachs a good idea? Was the bombing of the country of Libya a good idea? Was selling billions in weapons to the Saudis to drop on schools, hospitals and Doctors Without Borders a good idea? Was
Laughing about Ghaddafi's death on national TV a good idea now we see that has led to tens of thousands of women, children and men drowning in the Mediterranean?
Just curious because it seems a lot of people are willing to look the other way on what appears to be self serving and somewhat sociopathic behavior.
