2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumMartin O'Malley for VP .. the best choice all around
I know that people are being vetted on back channels as we speak..as the primary is almost over.. MARTIN O'MALLEY would be the best choice to back up the President..
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)I voted for Bernie in the California primary and would not consider voting for Hillary under most circumstances this might be the one exception!
Peacetrain
(22,874 posts)O'Malley is so strong on the environment..
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Peacetrain
(22,874 posts)(_)O coffee is up and it is a beautiful day in Iowa..
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I really have hopes that he will be heading up the DNC after the GE. The platform he ran on could be copied for our party platform. It's that good.
Peacetrain
(22,874 posts)Raine1967
(11,589 posts)But most people who know me around the DU already knew that.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Peacetrain
(22,874 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Been noticeably absent from the news.
Peacetrain
(22,874 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)I wonder if he will hit the campaign trail on behalf of whoever gets the Democratic Party nomination.
Peacetrain
(22,874 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)It's certainly not happening on the Republican side!
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Peacetrain
(22,874 posts)Yep..
Recursion
(56,582 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Peacetrain
(22,874 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)question is how much he adds to the general election effort
Peacetrain
(22,874 posts)and stand in for influence on policies.. I know a lot of people think the VP should be the attack dog... but as Democrats we have a LOT of attack dogs for our nominee.. but O'Malley is the younger generation..the next group coming up for executive office.. and his environmental policies are amazing.. because they not only push us forward on saving the environment but also uses these polices to create new jobs.. as he used say about Iowa where I am from.. those wind turbines going down the highway are great paying jobs also
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)for him he seems like a slam dunk.
But then he just fizzled with voters.
True that Biden in 2008 also tanked badly in primary voting, but he also stood out in debates that included 6+ candidates in a way that O'Malley couldn't in debates featuring only 3 candidates.
I wish I could come up with a more coherent argument as to why I'm only receptive instead of enthusiastic about him as an option.
Peacetrain
(22,874 posts)but I know what you are talking about.. I think he will do good though
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)even though I'm more than a bit jealous of those abs.
Peacetrain
(22,874 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Which is an absolute shame, because I would walk through fire for that guy.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)But Biden did complement Obama in a lot of ways (old Washington hand, good attack dog, working class white guy personality).
Imo, what Clinton needs is someone to transition to the next generation, either in demographics (someone like Castro, not sold on him myself though) or in terms of populist leftism (Elizabeth Warren)
and they should add an excitement factor. Clinton's strength is substance over style, but even the best steak benefits from some added sizzle
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Though from what I know of Clinton she would pick Kaine, who is roughly equivalent but more to her Weltanschauung.
Which, again, would be a shame.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)I'm more and more liking the idea of two women on the ticket.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I actually think that would have been a killer combo.
I don't think Clinton could get away with that, though.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)easy on the eyes....
Peacetrain
(22,874 posts)but he is a great musician, as well as tactician..
Recursion
(56,582 posts)"I wouldn't leave me alone around him. That's all I'm saying."
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Peacetrain
(22,874 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)actually get to know and research the candidates.
The ONLY thing that really bothers me on OMalley is his speeches. I think he is one of the worst in giving speeches. I kept expecting him to get better with time. I never heard him get better. And only on the delivery. I had to make myself let go of the delivery to hear what he was saying. When I was able to do that, I could listen. But.... that is the one issue, that I think he really needs to work on. Might be something he can't fix. it is so insignificant to what he can do though. I wonder if people can allow that. Vp might not matter.
But, I think that was really one of the reasons he didn't get traction. He did everything right.
How did you feel with his speaking ability? Again, delivery only. It might just be me, so curious.
Peacetrain
(22,874 posts)and he is good... but the thing that impresses me most are his policy ideas.. and the President can speak for themselves.. I am looking for a good policy person on the environment..
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)If I am remembering, he was right up there or better than Clinton. And that is what I really like about Clinton, are her policies.
Peacetrain
(22,874 posts)close their eyes when they see me post ...but when he talks about the environment.. itis not only saving the planet.. because lets just be honest.. if we do not take care of the planet..everything else it for nothing if we do not have potable water and breathable air and soil that is not depleted.. but he would say.. "see those turbines on flatbed trucks going down the highway..those are good paying jobs" it is a totally different approach.. having a safe environment is good for economic growth
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)We are back and forth on the immediacy of people now and the future in environment. It is an interesting conversation, always. But yes, this was the point I thought OMalley might replace Sanders in the youth vote and get the momentum. Her is the sad about this though. OMalley was too smart and thorough and did his homework, knew what he was talking about, not just giving comforting sound bites. Our youth was unwilling to focus and listen, think and process. They went for easy, loud, harsh sound bites. They had an opportunity with OMalley. I really thought he could easily take the youths vote. Smart young people.
PragmaticLiberal
(904 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Seriously, he's the best Democratic candidate of my lifetime (including even Obama). Anything that keeps him front-ticket I support.
Peacetrain
(22,874 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... if he was interested in being considered for the VP slot?)
http://technical.ly/baltimore/2016/05/09/martin-omalley-metrolab/
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)He couldn't even crack what, 1% of the vote early in the primary? He also has some serious issues in his background...he was known for being a brutal mayor that incarcerated tens of thousands of black folks in Baltimore. He also championed a highly unpopular "rain tax" that hurt low and middle income folks.
He brings nothing to the table other than liability. I'd like to see Max Baucus step into the VP slot.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)The voters seem to want executive experience -- if a candidate hasn't been President or Vice President, he or she had better be a current or former Governor. In the last half-century, the only time someone with none of those credentials won was in 2008 -- when both major-party candidates were Senators with no executive experience, so this factor couldn't manifest. There are no recent elections featuring a candidate with experience running a Cabinet department (Clinton) or a small city (Sanders), so it's hard to say how well either of those would work. O'Malley ran a big city and then a state.
Baucus has always been a legislator, except for his current gig as an ambassador, and Clinton surely doesn't need a boost in foreign-policy credentials. In addition, he'd be 75 on Inauguration Day. As others have pointed out in this thread, O'Malley, who's more than 20 years younger than Baucus, represents the next generation of Democratic leaders. Anyone who's been in public life a while will have what some people regard as "some serious issues"; Baucus has many right-wing votes on his record.
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)His record will never stand up to scrutiny. Perhaps Jon Tester or Heidi Heitkamp would make better VP choices for Clinton then.
PragmaticLiberal
(904 posts)I think Clinton would be better off with a left of center/left running mate.
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)Hillary is a very liberal candidate in my opinion, I think someone more moderate would help to balance her presidency.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Chief apologist for the Insurance Industrial Complex.
Baucus's Raucous Caucus: Doctors, Nurses and Activists Arrested Again for Protesting Exclusion of Single-Payer Advocates at Senate Hearing on Healthcare
Successfully squelched all discussion of single-payer until one tenacious Senator on the committee insisted that single-payer advocates be given a chance to state their case.
Who was that tenacious Senator?
I'll give you a hint: He's running for President.
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)elleng
(130,825 posts)baucus!
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Response to Peacetrain (Original post)
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Raine1967
(11,589 posts)Castro said beck in May that the VP is no way.
As much of an O'MAlley supporter that I still am, I really did believe it would be Castro. Doesn't look like that is going to happen.
You have now revived my hopes of him as a VP. He's a good man, and anyone who has read anything in the O'MAlley group would know why. They would also have a better understanding of his time in office.
HE's a good man and a good politician.
MFM008
(19,803 posts)what ever HRC wants