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CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:36 AM Jun 2016

Bernie feeding the "or bust" trolls

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sanders-on-bernie-or-bust-supporters-i-cant-tell-them-what-to-do/

Tapper asked, “Is Bernie or Bust a palatable position?” Sanders said, “The idea that I can snap my fingers and have millions of supporters march in line––that is not what our effort is about.”

And if he’s not the nominee, he added, then the onus is on Clinton to “explain to those people why she should get their support.”


It's true that Bernie can't MAKE anyone vote for Hillary, but he can damn sure tell them it's the right thing to do, and it's what he wants them to do. That's what a decent person would do in his position.
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Bernie feeding the "or bust" trolls (Original Post) CrowCityDem Jun 2016 OP
And he will, but this is not the time for him to do it. HERVEPA Jun 2016 #1
Agreed. That time will come when he concedes in the next couple of weeks. LonePirate Jun 2016 #3
Ayup... He needs to stop lying to his supporters. He will not be the democratic nominee for boston bean Jun 2016 #2
BoBs are nothing more than Trumpists. Without question baldguy Jun 2016 #4
This from Puerto Rico. Seriously you can't make this shit up underthematrix Jun 2016 #5
¿Quién sabe? Octafish Jun 2016 #24
It's right to support the nominee, when we have one. We don't. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #6
Then there's this underthematrix Jun 2016 #7
The daily beast LMFAO! Bernie Sanders and HRC supporters are JRLeft Jun 2016 #14
I want a Hillary supporter to post this in pic form underthematrix Jun 2016 #16
That post is crap her experience is making horrific decisions. JRLeft Jun 2016 #22
Yeah but the white privileged Hillary supporters can't help but to keep playing the race card notadmblnd Jun 2016 #37
I'm black all of my friends are in the age group of 18-40 and none of us are for HRC. JRLeft Jun 2016 #46
Well I'm not black but the man I married is and our child identifies with African Americans notadmblnd Jun 2016 #53
I'm past the crime bill and more bothered by her economic and foreign policy. JRLeft Jun 2016 #56
That's all and well, but I think that notadmblnd Jun 2016 #58
Her economic policies are a bandaid on a bullet wound. JRLeft Jun 2016 #73
The establishment exists to preserve white privilege AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #71
Trolls are those who exercise democracy with the small 'd.' Got it. nt LWolf Jun 2016 #8
+1 mmonk Jun 2016 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife Jun 2016 #10
"I'll do everything in my power to stop Donald Trump". If he doesn't endorse, that is a f'n LIE. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #11
Bernie should give his opinion on Clinton. Which he's already done. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #12
Why should Bernie tell voters to vote against democracy and against their core values? amborin Jun 2016 #13
How is it against democracy? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #15
Way to not understand your opposition. jeff47 Jun 2016 #17
They might not follow, but an honorable person would at least try to lead. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #18
So an honorable person would demand others give up on what they believe? jeff47 Jun 2016 #21
An honorable person would live up to their word... CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #23
This time, read what Sanders actually said. jeff47 Jun 2016 #25
He's gone out of his way to refuse to say he'll support her when she wins. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #28
He's explained how issuing orders to his supporters will not have the effect you want. jeff47 Jun 2016 #33
Anything Clinton does to win you over will be viewed an pander, so she shouln't even try. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #34
That would be one of the major reasons she's not a good candidate. jeff47 Jun 2016 #49
And just how would Bernie "steal the nomination" Sanders win us over, if he stole it? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #51
And just how would we hold the general election if aliens invaded? jeff47 Jun 2016 #59
How about not ignoring my question? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #61
Your question is as relevant as mine. jeff47 Jun 2016 #64
At least you admit Bernie has lost and won't be the nominee. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #66
Nope. I admit he won't be handed the nomination. jeff47 Jun 2016 #69
Dyslexia is a crippling disability that all too often goes undiagnosed notadmblnd Jun 2016 #41
Live up to their word - why then 840high Jun 2016 #29
Circular Evolution. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #38
She's different. She's special. She's next in line to the throne. She's the annointed one notadmblnd Jun 2016 #44
I got it - a long 840high Jun 2016 #47
I don't know. Someone must have called "every man for himself" notadmblnd Jun 2016 #55
Personality cultists tend to think that everyone else QC Jun 2016 #70
Please, no lectures from a Hillary supporter on what a decent person would do nt BernieforPres2016 Jun 2016 #19
A kick for Bernie! bigwillq Jun 2016 #20
Uh. You want him to drop out before the nominating process is over. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #26
not his job to win her votes. that is her job. nt restorefreedom Jun 2016 #27
It's the candidates job to win our vote. Period. riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #30
Funny how people said it was Clinton's job in 08. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #32
I supported and voted Obama since he was an IL state senator riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #35
Effective or not, that's no excuse for not trying. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #36
What part of "Bernie will endorse Hillary Clinton " was unclear? nt riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #42
Where has he ever said he would? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #43
I really hate when DUers play coy. This has been posted a million times already riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #63
I don't know..... JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #68
Don't worry about what Bernie says or does, he's insignificant. notadmblnd Jun 2016 #31
Wouldn't a decent person drop out... HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #39
He could come to my house and personally ask me to vote for her and I still wouldn't. basselope Jun 2016 #40
You guys don't get it pinebox Jun 2016 #45
this 840high Jun 2016 #48
You don't get it either. The result doesn't justify not trying. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #50
I get it but you are clearly missing my point pinebox Jun 2016 #57
It's not about you. It's about whether Bernie is a liar. Right now, he's poised to be one. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #60
Sorry but you're rather off the rails pinebox Jun 2016 #62
Because every time he's asked, he refuses to answer, or says it's all her job. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #65
Oh? Every time? pinebox Jun 2016 #67
Actually this makes sense to me.... Txbluedog Jun 2016 #52
His ego is huge! hrmjustin Jun 2016 #54
Someone with a huge ego would believe their supporters will blindly follow. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2016 #72
It's not HIS ego, he knows it's up to the people to decide who they will vote for. And up to the Autumn Jun 2016 #75
The idea that he can snap his fingers and have millions of supporters march in line Autumn Jun 2016 #74
Translation: Hillary has to purchase support in the form of paid online trolls AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #76
that's like people voting for someone just because of a d or r following wendylaroux Jun 2016 #77

boston bean

(36,293 posts)
2. Ayup... He needs to stop lying to his supporters. He will not be the democratic nominee for
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:39 AM
Jun 2016

president. PERIOD. And he knows this.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
6. It's right to support the nominee, when we have one. We don't.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:49 AM
Jun 2016

Call again when we have one. Right now, Bernie's job is to get votes in CA and that's exactly what he should be doing.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
37. Yeah but the white privileged Hillary supporters can't help but to keep playing the race card
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:47 PM
Jun 2016

That and the misogynist card is all they've got.

Personally, I think that it is both bigoted and sexist to continuously play those two cards. However women, and people of color don't seem to have a problem with it.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
53. Well I'm not black but the man I married is and our child identifies with African Americans
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:02 PM
Jun 2016

I have a plethora of in-laws and friends who do not support Hillary either. In fact, many are offended by her past support of certain policies and comments she has made.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
58. That's all and well, but I think that
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:07 PM
Jun 2016

her positions on past policies is a huge indicator of what her policies will be in the future- despite the lip service she currently pays to those who would support her.

Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
12. Bernie should give his opinion on Clinton. Which he's already done.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:59 AM
Jun 2016

It's up to Clinton to get people to vote for her.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
17. Way to not understand your opposition.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:10 PM
Jun 2016

Sanders is not a general commanding his troops. We are not loyal to Sanders, we are loyal to a set of policies and ideals.

As a result, Sanders issuing orders has little effect.

That's the difference between the slogans, "I'm with her" and "He's with us".

The Clinton campaign understands this. That is why the Clinton campaign has been attacking Sanders supporters instead of Sanders. Damaging Sanders does not get his supporters to switch, because it's not about Sanders. It's about those policies and ideals.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
21. So an honorable person would demand others give up on what they believe?
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:17 PM
Jun 2016

Again, you're going to have to take off the H-shaped blinders to understand the situation. And until you do, you're just going to keep making the situation worse.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
23. An honorable person would live up to their word...
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:22 PM
Jun 2016

and do "everything" to stop Trump, which includes telling his supporters he think they would be best served voting for Hillary. Do you not see that if he doesn't do that, regardless of its effect, he's a complete liar? It goes against what his loud supporters have been saying about him this whole time; that he's a moral, honorable person.

Prove it.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
25. This time, read what Sanders actually said.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:25 PM
Jun 2016

Sanders said telling his supporters to vote for Clinton won't have much effect, not that Sanders will not do it.

Again, your refusal to understand your opposition leads you to attack something Sanders did not say. As well as continuing to trash Sanders's supporters.

Do you not see that if he doesn't do that, regardless of its effect, he's a complete liar?

Do you not see that your strawman is not what Sanders actually said? The liar here is not Sanders.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
33. He's explained how issuing orders to his supporters will not have the effect you want.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:37 PM
Jun 2016

Again, you are operating under the assumption that if Sanders says to vote for Clinton, lots of Sanders supporters will follow their orders.

Because that is what you'd do if the roles were reversed.

But Sanders supporters are not the same as Clinton supporters. You proudly say "I'm with her". We proudly say "He's with us". Those short sentences show the profound difference between the supporters of each candidate.

And until you understand that difference, you will continue to make Clinton's job harder. Like with this thread.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
34. Anything Clinton does to win you over will be viewed an pander, so she shouln't even try.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:42 PM
Jun 2016

Good to know we have the ok from you to go ahead and run the race we want, without having to worry about placating your hurt feelings. Thanks!

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
49. That would be one of the major reasons she's not a good candidate.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:59 PM
Jun 2016

A long track record of flip-flops and pandering for votes means she can not believably promise much today.

So you'd be much better served figuring out how to help shore up that problem instead of continuing to attack. Because attacks won't fix it. If we were happy with "lesser of two evil" arguments, we'd already be Clinton supporters. So attempting to make a greater evil will not work.

As for your glib dismissal, you're going to need us in November, or you're going to pull a Coakley.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
51. And just how would Bernie "steal the nomination" Sanders win us over, if he stole it?
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:01 PM
Jun 2016

Since I like democracy, I'd have a damn hard time voting for a loser who had it handed to him. What's his plan to get me on board?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
59. And just how would we hold the general election if aliens invaded?
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:08 PM
Jun 2016

What would we do if a plague of space orangutans descended on our country on November 1st?!?!?!!

Again, you have a large problem: You need the left in order to win the general election. You hate it, but it's true. The moderate Republicans who have spent the last 30 years hating Clinton will not vote for her. Even with Trump on the ballot.

So instead of continuing to attack us, you need to pivot to the general. That is, if you actually want to win. You would get to do a lot more hippy punching if Clinton loses though, so you've got a tough decision to make.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
64. Your question is as relevant as mine.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:13 PM
Jun 2016

Sanders will no more be "handed the nomination" than those space orangutans invade.

So, hippy punching or winning? Which is more important to you?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
69. Nope. I admit he won't be handed the nomination.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:25 PM
Jun 2016

What I expect to happen is Clinton will win the nomination.

Then around mid to late September, the Republicans in the FBI will leak that they recommended an indictment. This will happen whether or not it is true. Thus getting the Republicans a "two-fer", greatly hurting Clinton's campaign while also greatly hurting Obama's legacy.

That will result in a November election with incredibly low turnout. And incredibly low turnout elections really help the Republicans.

Now, you gonna keep going with the hippy punching, or do you want to win the general?

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
44. She's different. She's special. She's next in line to the throne. She's the annointed one
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:55 PM
Jun 2016

It's all about her. IT'S HER TURN!

For all those reasons, it is okay for her supporter to ignore her lies.

Got it?

QC

(26,371 posts)
70. Personality cultists tend to think that everyone else
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:31 PM
Jun 2016

is also a personality cultist.

It's simple projection.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
30. It's the candidates job to win our vote. Period.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:34 PM
Jun 2016

I'm sure Bernie will endorse her if he loses but endorsements don't mean anything to us. We're voting on the issues, not the person.

It's on the candidate to win us over. If that candidate is Hillary then that will be on her. Bernie is 100% correct.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
35. I supported and voted Obama since he was an IL state senator
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:43 PM
Jun 2016

I never said that about Hillary Clinton but my point remains, the bottom line is candidates have to win over voters.

Bernie can no more order us to vote for her than I can order you to vote for Bernie. You've examined their positions, listened (I hope), heard their appeals, and decided. I presume you to be intelligent and aren't waiting for Martin O'Malley's endorsement of Hillary right? That's because endorsements just aren't working like they used to.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
63. I really hate when DUers play coy. This has been posted a million times already
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:11 PM
Jun 2016

But here you go, a million and 1

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5706fbbde4b03a9e75d3fd93


Marina Fang Associate Politics Editor, The Huffington Post

As the two Democratic presidential candidates engage in some of their sharpest attacks of the campaign, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Thursday affirmed that he would support opponent Hillary Clinton in the general election if she wins the nomination.

“Sure I will,” he said, when pressed by CBS News’ Charlie Rose in an interview. “Look, as I said a million times, I think the idea of a Donald Trump or a Ted Cruz presidency would be an unmitigated disaster for this country. I will do everything in my power and work as hard as I can to make sure that that does not happen. And if Secretary Clinton is the nominee, I will certainly support her.”

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
31. Don't worry about what Bernie says or does, he's insignificant.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:35 PM
Jun 2016

Just ignore him, he's practically invisible. Besides, it has been made more than clear that Hillary doesn't need his supporter votes. She's got it all in the bag. Member? You member.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
40. He could come to my house and personally ask me to vote for her and I still wouldn't.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:51 PM
Jun 2016

Hillary Clinton was never a consideration for me. Ever. I only registered democrat to avoid confusion voting for Bernie.

I will change my registration the day after the primary.

I am not a fan of religion.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
45. You guys don't get it
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:55 PM
Jun 2016

You honestly don't get it. It's obvious.

Many Bernie supporters have absolutely no interest in voting for Hillary. Period. Full stop.
As I have said before, many see her and Trump alike. All part of the same corn crop, just different rows of corn.


Yet your camp doesn't get this. Bernie may very well say that but you need to understand, a very large margin of his supporters will NOT vote for Hillary who they see as corrupt, propped up, artificial, disingenuous, dangerous and untrustworthy.

That is the bottom line.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
50. You don't get it either. The result doesn't justify not trying.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:00 PM
Jun 2016

Bernie said he would do "everything in my power" to stop Trump. If he doesn't even pay lip service by asking you to vote for Hillary, he is a flat out, unrepentant liar.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
57. I get it but you are clearly missing my point
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:05 PM
Jun 2016

Bernie is right in what he said, he can't wave a magic wand and say "Ooomp loompa, you will now be hypnotized and you will vote for Hillary under my command".

The reality is what again?

What I posted above.

You don't get it. A large chunk of Bernie supporters aren't interested in voting for the "Master Of Puppets". This is what you and your camp fail to understand & that margin of his supporters is rather large. You and I can beat around the bush on this but you're looking through the glass being a Hillary supporters. I am not.

People are sick and tired of voting for "who you don't want as POTUS" instead of voting for someone they believe in and because of that, many are taking a stand and not "falling in line" as Dems would hope they do.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
62. Sorry but you're rather off the rails
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:10 PM
Jun 2016

Bernie has said all along he would support and fight for Hillary should she be the nominee.

Why is that hard to understand?

 

Txbluedog

(1,128 posts)
52. Actually this makes sense to me....
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:01 PM
Jun 2016

Bernie knows BoB is not actually Bernie supporters but republicans disguising themselves as Bernie supporters and knows that he holds no sway over them

Autumn

(45,481 posts)
75. It's not HIS ego, he knows it's up to the people to decide who they will vote for. And up to the
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:46 PM
Jun 2016

politician who want's their votes to get their votes.

Autumn

(45,481 posts)
74. The idea that he can snap his fingers and have millions of supporters march in line
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:42 PM
Jun 2016

is fucking ridiculous, people know what they want to do and i don't need anyone making up my mind for me. Getting voters in line to vote for her is Hilary's job. Any decent person who expects people to vote for them reaches out to those voters.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
76. Translation: Hillary has to purchase support in the form of paid online trolls
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:49 PM
Jun 2016

A Million Dollars worth of trolls!

wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
77. that's like people voting for someone just because of a d or r following
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:52 PM
Jun 2016

their name.we aren't robots for goodness sake.

we know who we like all by ourselves .

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