Sanders on ‘Bernie or Bust’ Supporters: I Can’t Tell Them What to Do

[portlander23]

Sanders on ‘Bernie or Bust’ Supporters: I Can’t Tell Them What to Do
Josh Feldman | 11:26 am, June 5th, 2016 VIDEO
Mediaite

CNN’s Jake Tapper this morning asked Bernie Sanders about how a chunk of his fans are “Bernie or Bust”––meaning if Sanders loses, they’re out and not bothering to back Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump.

Tapper asked, “Is Bernie or Bust a palatable position?” Sanders said, “The idea that I can snap my fingers and have millions of supporters march in line––that is not what our effort is about.”

And if he’s not the nominee, he added, then the onus is on Clinton to “explain to those people why she should get their support.”

Video at link.

[LWolf]

1. He's right. nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

5. Yes, he doesn't need to tell us what to do... Bernie supporters actually have minds of their own!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[MADem]

63. LOL! nt

[azmom]

101. +1000000

[GulfCoast66]

114. That is the funniest thing yet

Warren did not even endorse him and will be coming out for Hillary this week!

[boston bean]

2. Once again, win or lose... it's Hillarys responsibility..

Such is the life of women.

[virtualobserver]

21. there is a new cross manufacturing facility opening up in China to handle the demand

[Armstead]

24. Oh My God.

Such is the life of a POLITICAL CANDIDATE!

Male or Female

[CrowCityDem]

31. Except Bernie, who apparently doesn't have to behave like everyone always has. He's "special".

[Armstead]

35. You can argue about that all you want, but it has nothing to do with gender

[CrowCityDem]

38. Are you conceding Bernie is saying he gets to play by different rules?

[Bjornsdotter]

103. What on earth does it have to do

....with being a woman?

[vkkv]

133. Probably the weakest statement I'll read all day - and it's still early.

You could have just left it at "Once again, win or lose... it's Hillarys responsibility.." without adding "Such is the life of women."

[Trenzalore]

3. Well he was never a democrat

Why is anyone acting shocked he could give two shits about democratic party unity going into an election.

[CentralMass]

7. Not in this so called Democratic Party. He is however the best example of what a Democrat should be

to many millions of us.

[Trenzalore]

9. A backbencher and a loser

The guy would never make it to the Senate outside the bubble that is Vermont.

[Trenzalore]

12. My area is the 3rd largest in PA

It is more diverse and has a larger population than Vermont. We have 1 congressman too.

[Trenzalore]

18. My hometown is a bigger world than Bernie's nt

[Trenzalore]

33. When you are in a small liberal pond

You can act a certain way and still get elected. He has lived with a pretty big luxury as a politician that he doesn't have the opposition others do in more diverse states.

[Trenzalore]

48. PA has a robust republican party

Every Presidential Election it is considered a swing state even though it hasn't voted for a Republican since 2000.

Outside of the urban population areas, culturally the state is Alabama.

[Trenzalore]

71. It's not the lifestyle that concerns me

The fear of the other is the bigger obstacle.

[Bluenorthwest]

32. Congressional representation is alloted according to population in the House.

PA has 18 while Vermont just just one. This is basic stuff.

[JRLeft]

34. SF Bay Area is bigger than your area, and California can swallow your the entire state of PA.

[MADem]

67. BOSTON has a larger population than all of VT. And the subway doesn't even run all night.

We're a small big city.

[BobbyDrake]

15. With a population that low, that's not a difficult achievement. nt

[MADem]

69. Join the Navy, or the Army (which is the biggest draw) or the USAF, or USMC, and see the world!

[MADem]

65. It also sends a shitload of its tiny minority population to out-of-state prisons. nt

[CentralMass]

29. You are incorrect...

His prolific accomplishments.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/9624560.html

Now he may not be getting George Clooney to cough up fundraisers for $350k per couple, or be getting paid $225k for 40 minute speeches by Wall St firms, or accepting corporate backing like the other so call Democrat is, but he took on the entire establishment and corporate media with a grass roots movement and is within a couple of hundred pledgedol delegate of his corporate backed establishment backed opponent.

Whatever the outcome, Bernie Sanders will exit this process a winner. The Democratic establishment should take notice.

[Trenzalore]

36. He has a choice how he exits this race

If he follows the example that was set by Hillary Clinton in 2008 he will have a pretty large spot at the table.

If he follows through with making noise at the convention, I would expect him to be rightly ostracized.

[CentralMass]

43. He and his backers have an obligation tod do what they feel is right.

That is an individual choice.

[Trenzalore]

52. With any choice there are consequences

A consequence of being a sore loser is you aren't greeted as a hero when you return to the Senate and the media and party establishment put you in the same class as Nader.

If he honestly feels not allowing the democratic party to pivot to a general election fight for the Senate and Presidency and making a point is more important he should be prepared for the consequences.

[CentralMass]

72. The masses have grown tired of campaign rhetoric when

they find that after the election they were used as pawns to pass a corporate agenda or to find a democratic president holding the left in disdain publically.

The world is is at a Flashpoint due to bad governance. The Middle East is a powder keg.
We have armed the entire region overtly and covertly.
We sold the Gulf region alone $33 billion in Weapons last year.
Our counties instutions and I fractructure is in decay. How did President Obama's public ed policy stand as a Democratic policy for 8 years ?

[GulfCoast66]

115. Well

The majority of the Democratic Party 'masses' have chosen Clinton.

[Demsrule86]

53. I am shocked

I thought he was a good guy before all this primary stuff...I despise him now. He cares nothing for this country or his so called movement or his supporters who would suffer mightily under Trump...a word Bernie...you will not be the nominee...you lost

[Trenzalore]

56. When his answer to how he would get everything was "revolution"

I realized he was either delusional or an asshole.

[Number23]

111. Ain't THAT the fucking truth

[Herman4747]

132. "suffer mightily" huh?? So then, which candidate...

...has a better chance of beating The Donald? That would be Bernie:

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster

And which candidate has the 55% disapproval rating? That would be Hillary.

So why exactly do Hillary supporters persist with their folly?

I don't think Hillary would "suffer mightily" under Trump, do you?

[Matt_R]

96. Elvis never did no drugs.

[Jester Messiah]

131. His loyalty is to the cause, not some label of a party.

Those candidates who are on the same page, he'll support. The rest, not so much.

[RandySF]

4. No one can tell them wha to do, but we can tell them what they CAN do

Just walk away. We'll all be better off.

[cantbeserious]

6. When We Stand Together No Citizen Need Settle For The Lessor Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go

eom

[davidlynch]

13. +100000000000000000000....000000000 n/t

[Arazi]

16. Yup, we're Democrats. Like herding cats lol

[CrowCityDem]

17. He can absolutely tell them he wants them to support Hillary.

[Trenzalore]

23. He wants Hillary to lose the General Election

His history has shown being right in his own eyes is more important than getting things right.

[Trenzalore]

28. Obviously the world will be a better place

When the guy talking about banning an entire religion and building moats and walls around the country wins.

[jeff47]

46. And that will do almost nothing.

Sanders is not our leader. We are not his troops. We are not going to turn on a dime because Sanders says so.

It's why the Clinton campaign decided to attack Sanders supporters instead of Sanders. Because the campaign actually understands Sanders is not a general commanding troops, so attacking Sanders does not get Sanders's supporters to switch generals.

[CrowCityDem]

51. It will keep him from being even more of a flagrant liar.

[jeff47]

58. Keep working very hard to not understand.

That way you can keep driving away the people you need in November. But it sure feels good to insist you're the superior person, doesn't it?

[CrowCityDem]

60. Bernie says he'll do "everything" to stop Trump. Except tell his people to vote for Hillary.

That makes him a complete liar. Sure, his supporters might not follow, but that's not an excuse for abdicating his responsibility to try to lead them.

[jeff47]

64. Nope. This time, actually read what Sanders said.

Sanders said it will not have much effect. Not that he will not do it.

[GulfCoast66]

116. Ok. I just want an honest answer

And if I misinterpreted your post I sincerely apologize.

But the way I read your post makes me think that people posting here can influence your vote. I am seeing this a lot and have decided to ask every time I see it. Do you really let the opinions of anonymous people on a public forum affect your vote? Several people have admitted it does, or at least not denied it. I find that astounding. Why do you care what people here say?

[jeff47]

118. The entire point of a political party is to come together for a common set of goals.

When people, on the Internet or not, make it abundantly clear they have no interest in talking to me other than to hurl insults, why should I help them reach their goals? Especially when that sacrifices my goals?

For example, if I think single-payer is extremely important, you're going to have to do something to make me receptive to the idea of voting for the "it will never, ever, ever happen" candidate.

It's "give and take". Not "take from you fucking, racist, sexist, childish idiots".

And no, it is not just posters on DU who have this attitude. It's quite prevalent elsewhere. The only benefit of anonymous places like DU is people drop the mask they wear in an in-person conversation.

[GulfCoast66]

119. Well

Keep in mind that the people here represent a miniscule percent of the party. 99% of the citizens voting for Hillary or Bernie have never been here. Sites like this are for the hyper-involved.

And it is great that single payer is important to you. Without a long discussion I am not sure if I agree or not. I do not love the Canadian system by perhaps the German or French system is better. Of course all are better then our system. But I also realize that electing a president who wants it without preparing the country for it is hopeless.

Hillary is the first person to go out on a limb to actually try to get a universal health care system in place back in the early 90's. And did it ever cost her! She has been attacked by the right so long and so consistently that even some on the left have picked up their talking points. I remember it well. It looked for a while like we are pretty much going to have medicare for all. And then it was defeated by a Democratic Congress!!! She was too Liberal and proposing a socialist system!

So please realize some Hillary supporters are in favor of major social changes. But we know it is not as easy as electing one person.

Have a nice evening.

[jeff47]

120. Re-read the last paragraph.

Keep in mind that the people here represent a miniscule percent of the party.

Hmmm...If only I had explicitly addressed that....

But I also realize that electing a president who wants it without preparing the country for it is hopeless.

You don't "prepare the country" by declaring it forever off limits.

Also, it's a single example. There are many policies where I vehemently disagree with Clinton's historical positions, and her tendency to say whatever polls well at the moment means I can not trust her campaign promises.

Hillary is the first person to go out on a limb to actually try to get a universal health care system in place back in the early 90's.

Actually, she was about 70 years after the first person to "go out on a limb". Single-payer proposals have been introduced in every Congress since the 1920s.

Medicare was supposed to be a single-payer program, but LBJ could not get it passed. Instead, he was able to get the program passed for seniors, with the understanding Democrats would keep working at lowering the eligibility age and expanding the program.....and the party promptly forgot about doing that.

I remember it well. It looked for a while like we are pretty much going to have medicare for all. And then it was defeated by a Democratic Congress!!!

That kinda indicates she's a really, really lousy politician. Her failure was not due to the hatred of liberalism, as you propose, but she created an isolated group to dictate the plan from on-high. That meant she upset basically everyone with some detail of her plan, while not getting an offsetting "good thing" to deal with that upset.

Clinton's a technocrat. Being a technocrat doesn't actually get things done, because you have to negotiate to get things done. And she fails repeatedly at the first step of negotiation, finding out what the other people want.

So please realize some Hillary supporters are in favor of major social changes.

Good thing we don't need any economic changes at all!!!!

But we know it is not as easy as electing one person.

Ah yes, gotta get in the "you're an idiot" dig.

[GulfCoast66]

125. Man

Ok, we disagree. I get it.

But I just re-read my post. No vitriol and no implied nor intended 'your an idiot'.

If you somehow got the idea I was insulting you I apologize.

Damn, just because we disagree does not mean I have no think poorly of you.

[seabeyond]

19. He is unwilling. That is clear. All he has to do is shit from attack and negative, to

positive and inspiring.

That says who this man is and his lack of integrity and responsibility.

It is NEVER his fault. Never. Cannot own a damn thing he does.

[Trenzalore]

26. I'm glad he has clarified he's useless

He can't bring any support along with him for concessions to the platform or rules for the next primary. Might as well ignore him.

[upaloopa]

30. He's lost any respect I had for him. It's up to each individual to care about this country

but Bernie could be a real leader to all of us if he would work to defeat Trump.

But I doubt he has it in him to do the right thing. His ego won't let him.

[Bluenorthwest]

42. Here is you on June 3d:

"I hate Bernie so I am not going to say anything good about him. His campaign and his supporters turned me off him and them."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2115312

What you should do is drop the claim that you are just now losing respect for a person you have already strongly stated that you hate. Get a new take on it, try something fresh. You can't sell what you are trying to sell.

The people who support Hillary are cool. The Bernie Bashers, I don't think they support any Democrat, they sow division without thought to strategy. For reasons that have little to do with the election.

[aikoaiko]

80. Bernie has consistently spoken out against Trump.

That won't change.

[jeff47]

37. I see the Clinton supporters still don't understand

And continue to expend zero effort attempting to understand.

Sanders isn't our leader. We are not his troops. We do not do things because Sanders says so.

That is the difference between "I'm with Hillary" and "He's with us".

That is also why the Clinton campaign has been attacking Sanders's supporters instead of Sanders. They do understand that Sanders is not a general leading his troops, so attacking Sanders will not get his supporters to switch generals.

[LuvLoogie]

104. Bernie is like fado.

[99Forever]

39. Exactly!

"And if he’s not the nominee, he added, then the onus is on Clinton to “explain to those people why she should get their support.”

Get to work, Hillary, you have one VERY steep mountain to climb.

[restorefreedom]

59. i wish there was a word stronger than steep

"impossible" comes to mind

[VulgarPoet]

122. Sharp? Sheer?

[restorefreedom]

128. i like sharp. impossible and precipice come to mind as well. nt

[rickford66]

75. What I hear from Hillary supporters.

Bernie has himself to blame and if Hillary loses it's Bernie's fault. She better give us some reasons to vote for her. The first woman president isn't a good enough reason. She says she will work for us. Bernie wants us to make the changes ourselves.

[ILikeTurtles2]

41. Someone sent me a #bernieorbust email this morning with these instructions:

Instructions:
Forward this message to yourself,
Replace the subject line with the one below the PS message underneath my name,
Highlight with your mouse and delete everything above "Dear voter" and especially anything below http://citizensagainstplutocracy.org/,
BCC everyone you know in CA, NJ, NM, SD, ND, DC and MT. Include politicians, parents, children, everyone except colleagues,
Send,
Save this email. If anyone gives you any flack, just let them know Bernie or busters are the only "adults in the room." (We really are! http://www.examiner.com/article/bernie-or-bust-pledge-takers-are-the-adults-the-room )

[NorthCarolina]

44. That's 100% true, he can't. Nobody can.

Lucky for team Hillary, she doesn't need the support of Bernie folk.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2129008

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

45. Nor should he.

Individuals make their own decisions who to vote for. We don't need anyone to tell us who to vote for.

Freedom for supporters of the government only, for members of one party only, no matter how big its membership may be is, no freedom at all. Freedom is always freedom for the man who thinks differently. Rosa Luxemburg

[oberliner]

47. There are things he can do other than snapping his fingers

Certainly if he gave a speech expressing his support of HRC and urging those who support him to vote for her, that could go a long way.

[Trenzalore]

54. Politics is always a horse trade and about leverage

Not sure why he is announcing he has no leverage when he is attempting to influence the DNC for convention rules.

[farleftlib]

62. No. He won't do "other things"

and it wouldn't matter if he did.

Maybe look up what "principle" means and you'll find out why Bernie followers don't respond to
authoritarian tactics.

[MADem]

70. LOL! That's probably the most unintentionally amusing comment in this thread. nt

[Bjornsdotter]

109. +1 n/t

[djean111]

76. Have you ever heard of things like "principles" and "issues".

Just because Hillary's supporters consider every speech of Hillary's as some sort of golden droppings, even though she may express completely disparate views according to pandering necessities, doesn't mean that Bernie's supporters can be ordered around by any sort of speech.
Personally, I will not vote for a Third Way warmongering neocon corporate tool. Why would a speech from Bernie change my mind? That's just ridiculous.

[oberliner]

79. Yes

Bernie and Hillary agree with one another on 90 percent of issues and stand uniformly against everything Trump stands for.

In fact, Bernie has said that even on her worst day, Hillary is a million times better than the GOP candidates.

[djean111]

81. Get back to me when Bernie stands for war and fracking and means-testing Social Security and

cluster bombs and the Third Way and shilling for Wall Street, and the TPP. To name just a few of the DIFFERENCES.

That 10% is the deal breaker. And I am not fool enough to believe that Hillary actually agrees with Bernie about 90% of things - she lies easily and frequently, and changes her stances when she needs to pander.

Your rejoinder does not hold a drop of water.

[oberliner]

82. Hillary opposes the TPP and fracking

Look at what Bernie stands for and you will see that the issues that are meaningful to him (and presumably to you) will be much easier to push for with Clinton as POTUS than Trump.

[djean111]

83. Hillary traveled the world shilling for the TPP. She is only giving lip service to opposing it.

Gold standard, according to her latest book.

Same for fracking. She pushed fracking all over the world, too.

And if she was only doing Obama's bidding, then all she gets credit for as SOS is accumulating airline miles.

Like I said, she lies when it is expedient. IMO she is only going to push for Third Way and Neocon objectives.
So we should really agree to disagree. An army of Jesuit debaters spouting nonstop sophistry would not persuade me.

[oberliner]

84. OK

Your mind is made up, clearly.

[oberliner]

100. What is the "bust" option?

Would you just write in his name if he doesn't get the nomination?

[oberliner]

110. OK

Just curious, have you ever voted Green before in a presidential election?

[Matt_R]

97. Elvis never did no drugs...

[oberliner]

99. Yes, he did

Look, Bernie has stated that Hillary on her worst day is a million times better than Trump and that Trump must not be allowed to become president.

I agree with Bernie on both points.

[Matt_R]

112. Do you have a link I can't find it.

Until you provide a link...

Elvis never did no drugs.

[Demsrule86]

49. Bernie Sanders should be stripped of all primary goodies...he will not unify

so screwel him...time to just fugeddaboutit.

[DrDan]

50. why would he not encourage all to support the eventual nominee . . . if not because he

wants to see Hillary lose. His ego is taking over.

[NNadir]

55. Entirely unsurprising. He'll continue to campaign to demonize Clinton right up to November.

Last edited Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:56 PM - Edit history (1)

He's basically working for Trump these days; also unsurprising.

[comradebillyboy]

73. His surrogate Susan Sarandon has all but endorsed Trump.

Don't campaign surrogates speak for their candidate? Sarandon continues to appear on stage with Bernie, I can only assume Sanders approves of Sarandon's Trump support.

[NNadir]

78. Oh yeah. It's very disappointing. I'm surprised she's such an idiot. n/t.

[NNadir]

94. Nah. He'll work for Trump, albeit indirectly. Many of his supporters offer Trump talking...

...points here continuously.

As far as I'm concerned he's already there, working the "elect Trump" cause.

[Matt_R]

98. Elvis never did no drugs.

[Hiraeth]

57. He may suggest, advice, counsel, plead, cajole and beg but, I am an adult and I make

my decision, in the end.

[MADem]

61. What leadership!! LOL!!!!

He CAN tell them what to do--they can ignore him, and he can repudiate them.

That's leadership. I guess it's a new concept, or something.

The idea that he can can LEAD? That IS what asking to be leader of the free world is about.

smh.

[merrily]

68. "Not bothering" Big signal, right there. BTW, please remind me who this Josh Feldman is?

Also, in the accompanying video, Bernie did not say he could not tell us what to do. He said he cannot control our behavior by snapping his fingers (duh) and he will work against Trump if and when Hillary is the nominee. So. Feldman, whoever he may be, has no credibility with me and I have to wonder why anyone would even post Mr. Feldman's misleading statement.

[Mike__M]

74. We're supporters, not followers

There's a difference.

[randome]

77. So much for the bully pulpit. So much for 'leadership'.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[grossproffit]

86. It's his way or the highway. He's no leader, nor team player.

[Peacetrain]

85. Well that kind of shuts it down for him..if he cannot

lead his own people...how is going to lead the country?

[Haveadream]

87. No one asked Bernie to snap his fingers or have people march in line

Good grief. Why always with the hyperbole? Characterizing supporting the nominee and encouraging others to do so as being some kind of authoritarianism is just the latest example of Bernie being overly dramatic. He could have simply said, "We are not there yet. For many of my supporters, this contest is still going" and "The onus is on all progressives to stop Trump. I believe that and am confident my supporters believe that". But no. He always thinks in an exaggerated, larger than life vision of himself. Trump does this also. That's one of the reasons I support Hillary.

[Sunlei]

89. Good interview thanks for post. I'm positive Senator Sanders & Mrs. Clinton will support each other.

[Doctor_J]

91. They are more interested in solving the country's problems than satisfying Mrs Clinton's ego

It's not difficult to see why Sanders supporters who are not democratic partisans would be disinclined to support Hillary.She is part of what they are fighting against.

[Maedhros]

92. I support ideas, not people.

If Hillary's ideas were sound, I would support her.

[One Black Sheep]

93. I think Sanders recognizes that asking to support Hillary for many of his supporters is like asking

them to support Debbie Wasserman Schultz, it just provokes disgust and a "ewwww, are you kidding? no friggin' way!" type reaction.

To many of them, Hillary is the perfect symbol of everything that is wrong in today's politics, and what Bernie's campaign has been all about in terms of being against.

Also, many independents who strongly support Bernie, also hate Hillary with a passion, no way in hell she is going to get their votes or support.

[NNadir]

95. True. They hate Hillary as much as the Trump people do, which is why they work for Trump.

They have very much in common: Knee jerk reactions to everything, vague programs that are in no way reality based, and the need to demonize the intelligent, insightful, experienced and responsible woman who makes them look tiny by comparison.

Have a nice evening.

[Bjornsdotter]

102. Yep! n/t

[Zynx]

106. He's a miserable little man.

He also makes the classic mistake of thinking that all of his supporters are equally fervent.

[MoonRiver]

123. Results of your jury service:

On Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:05 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

He's a miserable little man.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2132626

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[vkkv]

130. The OBVIOUS evidence is - Bernie supporters are FAR LESS paranoid and agitated than HRC "Fans"

And more:

Forgiving
Generous
Anti-corporate
Pro-education

and less sexist.

[Waiting For Everyman]

107. Team HRC is mad because they have no way to use him or threaten him.

[workinclasszero]

108. So he won't even tell his berners to vote democratic

is that it?

Anyone that knew this guys history saw this coming long ago.

Bernie Sanders is the new Nader!

[Cheese Sandwich]

121. Talk about missing the point. They are not "his" to command. He's not their boss.

[Skwmom]

113. AKA Bernie is not going to go out and lie to his supporters.

[Buddyblazon]

117. In a campaign, Its a candidates job to attract voters.

Literally.

If she wanted his supporters, she'd work at attracting them instead of purposely saying things to alienate them. Pretty simple really.

[VulgarPoet]

124. Ha.

We've been getting told by the Clinton campaign for the past three months what we can go do, where we can go do it, and what we can go do it with. What the actual, everliving fuck makes them think we'd come out for them other than the weaker willed who are easily swayed by fear? Her and her kind have been saying they'll win without us, okay, I have no problems taking them at their word. She won't get a dime, or a second in campaigning from me, and she'll be LUCKY if I can bring myself to vote for her. Because if I do, the blood of my brothers and sisters in arms-- a loyalty I hold over loyalty to this political jackass and pony show-- will be on my hands when she gets them killed.

[beachbum bob]

126. he admits he offers no leadership skill what so ever...at least he has some honesty

the problem will be when his followers, who HE HAS and continues to egg on to "take the fight to the convention"....and his people erupt in violence inside and outside our convention. 100% sanders responsibility and he should be held accountable under the fullest extents of the law

[bkkyosemite]

127. He certainly cannot make any one of his followers go to Hillary. The candidates are too

different even though the agenda is to say they are alike...they are not. Bernie supporters are fed up with the elite/oligarchy ruling over them along with their dishonesty and corrupt ways. Bernie or Bust is real.

[Jester Messiah]

129. Boom goes the dynamite!

Bernie gets it, has always gotten it. We're with him because of what he stands for. Our loyalty is to the cause, not to him personally. If he were to betray that cause we would no longer be with him.