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Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:58 PM

Camile Paglia on Hillary's Sleepwalking

For the Nth time raised to the third power, why Bernie won't quit:


The articleís floating of the idea of a Joe Biden-Elizabeth Warren substitute ticket (which Iíve been privately predicting to friends all year) is so evenly and magisterially phrased that I wondered if the text had been vetted by an approving White House. So this may be why Bernie Sanders (my candidate) has gone into overdriveónot to damage Hillary, as her acolytes spitefully claim, but to fight off the tactical insertion of Biden at the Democratic Convention in Philadelphia. Sanders could rightly claim, on the basis of his long and strenuous primary campaign, that if anyone deserves the nomination vacated by a tarnished Hillary, it is he. If Sanders does defer to Biden, it will only be via enormous concessions, beginning with the unceremonious removal of devious DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz.


Keep repeating the weak meme about Bernie looking like a sore loser, dead ender, bitter ender, yada, yada, yada, woo, woo, blah, blah, blah to your heart's content.

Oh yeah, FACTS! MATH! THE VOTERS!

Nobody cares, because Bernie is in it to win it. The fat lady don't sing until the Democratic Convention Soap Opera is over.

http://www.salon.com/2016/06/02/zombie_time_at_campaign_hillary_camille_paglia_on_trumps_real_strength_and_clintons_fatal_sleepwalking/

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Reply Camile Paglia on Hillary's Sleepwalking (Original post)
Meteor Man Jun 2016 OP
SidDithers Jun 2016 #1
appal_jack Jun 2016 #35
sufrommich Jun 2016 #2
Meteor Man Jun 2016 #5
geek tragedy Jun 2016 #10
geek tragedy Jun 2016 #3
SidDithers Jun 2016 #6
highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #25
geek tragedy Jun 2016 #26
highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #30
Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #58
annavictorious Jun 2016 #4
sufrommich Jun 2016 #8
PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #7
Meteor Man Jun 2016 #12
PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #13
Meteor Man Jun 2016 #17
PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #24
Meteor Man Jun 2016 #27
PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #32
Meteor Man Jun 2016 #34
seabeyond Jun 2016 #36
Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #59
PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #68
Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #70
DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #9
NCTraveler Jun 2016 #11
Meteor Man Jun 2016 #15
NCTraveler Jun 2016 #18
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Meteor Man Jun 2016 #21
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Meteor Man Jun 2016 #37
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DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #43
Meteor Man Jun 2016 #47
NCTraveler Jun 2016 #23
2banon Jun 2016 #14
Meteor Man Jun 2016 #16
Autumn Colors Jun 2016 #31
Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #33
Meteor Man Jun 2016 #39
Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #55
Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #60
Beacool Jun 2016 #38
Meteor Man Jun 2016 #40
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Meteor Man Jun 2016 #49
Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #61
Jitter65 Jun 2016 #44
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PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #48
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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:00 PM

1. Camile Paglia...



Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:21 PM

35. SpitDribbles

 



-app

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:02 PM

2. I am not surprised that Paglia has some support

among Bernie fans. That's all I'll say.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:04 PM

5. Ignore the argument

Shoot the messenger. Typical ad hominem attack.

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Response to Meteor Man (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:07 PM

10. put a troll's name in your post title, expect to get called out for it.

 

you should be smarter than to put a piece of garbage like Camille Paglia in your post title

though you're also advocating disenfranchising the Democratic primary electorate, so shame isn't your thing

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:03 PM

3. Congratulations on getting birther bigot Camille Paglia in your corner, Bernie people

 

11 more days until the Camille Paglia crowd at DU needs to start behaving themselves

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:05 PM

6. Camile Paglia - I was wrong about Donald Trump

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/10/i_was_wrong_about_donald_trump_camille_paglia_on_the_gop_front_runners_refreshing_candor_and_his_impetuousness_too/

"Yes, he remains thin-skinned and easily riled. But his fearlessness and brash energy also seem necessary and rare"


11 days.

Sid

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:36 PM

25. Can't wait to see what that looks like, sleepwalkers.

 

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #25)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:38 PM

26. it will look like a bunch of progressive Democrats dedicated to

 

preventing a bigoted, fascist plutocrat from running our country.

those who do not share that agenda contribute nothing but bad things to this site

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #26)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:44 PM

30. As I've said before, life is wonderful in Hillary Land, where all puffing up of Hillary is "good"

 

and any recognition of her negatives is "bad".

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #30)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:51 AM

58. Yeah well using a right wing Obama hater

as your 'attack' piece...is just gross.

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:03 PM

4. Camille Paglia on Sarah Palin's brilliant brand of feminism.

 

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Response to annavictorious (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:06 PM

8. Paglia: "Birthersí Arenít Racist, And They Have A Point"

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:06 PM

7. Camille Paglia has been trolling since before trolling was A Thing.

She's the OG of barfing up archaic assertions about women, men, and feminism, justifying them with sweeping, unverified statements, and dressing them up with $2 words, and calling it new. Her latest, "It's A Man's World, And It Always Will Be" is so absurd that it doesn't merit a response; it merits an edit.

Paglia doesn't exactly have a history of saying things that make any damn sense. Most recently, she yammered on about Katy Perry and Taylor Swift being awful because they are The Bad Kind Of Pop Star, then lauded "bootylicious, confident urban women" because they are The Good Kind of Pop Star. During the 2008 election, she compared Sarah Palin's incoherent and endless run-on sentence style of talking to listening to some pretty excellent jazz and declared her the savior of "third world feminism." She's endlessly weird about fetishizing women of color as paragons of hotness (that makes a cameo in the piece you're about to read) and repeatedly slapping the air around her for invisible, vague feminists who hate all men and want sex to end forever. Planet Paglia is one where white bitches are hating men and fun and the only people who can save it are movie versions of hyper sexualized women of color. It's refried bullshit is what it is.


http://jezebel.com/camille-paglia-please-see-me-after-class-1484324950

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:07 PM

12. Shoot the messenger!

Ad hominem nonsense proves nothing.

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Response to Meteor Man (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:08 PM

13. Molly Ivins' takedown of Paglia is classic.

http://grigr.com/2011/09/i-am-the-cosmos/

"What we have here, fellow citizens, is a crassly egocentric, raving twit. The Norman Podhoretz of our gender. That this woman is actually taken seriously as a thinker in New York intellectual circles is a clear sign of decadence, decay, and hopeless pinheadedness. Has no one in the nationís intellectual capital the background and ability to see through a web of categorical assertions? One fashionable line of response to Paglia is to claim that even though she may be fundamentally off-base, she has 'flashes of brilliance.' If so, I missed them in her oceans of swill."

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:15 PM

17. New York has Intellectual Circles?

That this woman is actually taken seriously as a thinker in New York intellectual circles is a clear sign of decadence, decay, and hopeless pinheadedness.


Do they have intellectual octagons too?

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Response to Meteor Man (Reply #17)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:34 PM

24. Paglia is a horrible person and should only be cited here to mock.

And mock, I will.

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #24)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:40 PM

27. That's funny

Camile Paglia speaks highly of you!

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Response to Meteor Man (Reply #27)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:53 PM

32. "If civilization had been left in female hands we would still be living in grass huts." -Paglia

"People who canít see how smart Palin is are trapped in their own narrow parochialism ó the tedious, hackneyed forms of their upper-middle-class syntax and vocabulary." -Paglia

"No one is ďborn gay.Ē The idea is ridiculous, but it is symptomatic of our overpoliticized climate that such assertions are given instant credence by gay activists and their media partisans. I think what gay men are remembering is that they were born different." -Paglia

"I like Sarah Palin, and Iíve heartily enjoyed her arrival on the national stage. As a career classroom teacher, I can see how smart she is ó and quite frankly, I think the people who donít see it are the stupid ones, wrapped in the fuzzy mummy-gauze of their own worn-out partisan dogma. So she doesnít speak the Kingís English ó big whoop! There is a powerful clarity of consciousness in her eyes. She uses language with the jumps, breaks and rippling momentum of a be-bop saxophonist. I stand on what I said (as a staunch pro-choice advocate) in my last two columns ó that Palin as a pro-life wife, mother and ambitious professional represents the next big shift in feminism. Pro-life women will save feminism by expanding it, particularly into the more traditional Third World." -Paglia

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #32)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:10 PM

34. Is she Catholic?

Don't know and don't care. I avoid pie if at all possible. Got my 30 day chip for complete abstinance from The Pie Fight Place.

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Response to Meteor Man (Reply #27)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:54 PM

36. Of course she doesn't. She has never said a positive thing about women or to women. Nt

 

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #13)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:52 AM

59. I miss Molly. Thanks! nt

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #59)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:28 AM

68. I know, right? She was such a gem.

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #68)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:54 AM

70. She was the best! nt

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:06 PM

9. "Going out of business sale!!! All outrages MUST GO!!!!"

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:07 PM

11. This is sad to watch.

 

But the transparency is nice.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:11 PM

15. Yep. Hillary's Campaign Trainwreck is sad

Fortunately, the Democratic Party has Bernie to pull their fat from the fire.

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Response to Meteor Man (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:17 PM

18. That's it. Yeah. Go with that. Nt

 

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #18)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:24 PM

19. Maybe a new pair of glasses would help

If you can't see a trainwreck right in front of your eyes, optometrists can help.

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Response to Meteor Man (Reply #19)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:28 PM

20. "That's it. Yeah. Go with that."

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #20)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:31 PM

21. That's it.

Yeah go with that.

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Response to Meteor Man (Reply #21)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:32 PM

22. I knew a smart lad like yourself would find me persuasive.

Thank you.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #22)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:40 PM

28. Yeah that's right.

Go with that.

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Response to Meteor Man (Reply #28)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:41 PM

29. I will. Thank you.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #29)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:02 PM

37. Yep. That's right.

Take that and run with it.

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Response to Meteor Man (Reply #37)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:10 PM

41. Sure. No problem. I look forward to your next puerile reply.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #41)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:14 PM

42. Matching yours of course

Puerile minds gonna be puerile.

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Response to Meteor Man (Reply #42)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:18 PM

43. I expected an inane response and I wasn't disappointed.

Thank you, I think.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #43)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 04:09 PM

47. Always eager to oblige

Keep on truckin'!

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Response to Meteor Man (Reply #19)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:33 PM

23. Go with your original argument.

 

The addition of further superiority isn't necessary. You really had it perfect.

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:09 PM

14. that was a fun read, needed the chuckles..

 

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Response to 2banon (Reply #14)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:12 PM

16. Glad I could help you out

That's why I'm here.

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:54 PM

33. Really? This person is a rightwing hater...

It is a badge of honor to have her attack you...but hey I guess she likes Bernie right?

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #33)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:07 PM

39. Don't know if they are close friends

Let me google that for you.

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Response to Meteor Man (Reply #39)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:17 AM

55. I have seen her and her tripe many times

I would never post such drivel.

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Response to Meteor Man (Reply #39)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:54 AM

60. Oh no need

It is clear...what their relationship is.

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:02 PM

38. Paglia and Dowd are two women who can go and suck a lemon.

A middle finger to both of them. I hope that they choke on their bile when Hillary is declared the presumptive nominee on Tuesday night.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #38)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:09 PM

40. I thought Hillary already was presumptive nominee

What happened?

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Response to Meteor Man (Reply #40)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:25 PM

45. She'll officially hit the mark on Tuesday after polls close in NJ.

The media will jump all over it, although I think that her campaign may keep it low key until CA votes. No need to ruffle the feathers of people who the party will need in November.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #45)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 04:13 PM

49. Oh yeah!

Chris Matthews has already announced that as the Official Party Spokesperson he is going to call it on June 7th.

Then we can all relax until November 1st when Chris Matthews announces that Hillary is the First Woman President!

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Response to Meteor Man (Reply #49)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:55 AM

61. It is always called at this point

in the primary...she has the delegates ...he lost.

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:21 PM

44. Oh, you mean her:

 

Paglia's view that rape is sexually motivated has been endorsed by evolutionary psychologists Randy Thornhill and Craig T. Palmer; they comment that "Paglia... urges women to be skeptical toward the feminist 'party line' on the subject, to become better informed about risk factors, and to use the information to lower their risk of rape."[54]

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Response to Jitter65 (Reply #44)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 04:07 PM

46. I didn't know she had so many fans at DU

Thx for keeping an eye on her.

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Response to Meteor Man (Reply #46)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 04:12 PM

48. Right leaning, libertarian assholes should get a chilly response on a Democratic site.

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #48)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 04:16 PM

50. Are left leaning libertarian assholes ok?

I can't keep up with all the pigeon holes around here.

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Response to Meteor Man (Reply #50)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 04:18 PM

51. You should reread the TOS if you're unclear on who we support here on DU.

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Response to Meteor Man (Reply #50)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:58 AM

65. No such thing

But if you can't identify right wing haters...too bad for you. Here is a suggestion...read other articles they wrote...you know like the one praising Sarah Palin.

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 04:18 PM

52. Why did this thread pop back up?

I thought there was a limit on beating dead horses.

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Response to Meteor Man (Reply #52)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:22 AM

67. 'pop back up'? How long did you think it was 'down'?

You were replying to people in it pretty consistently since you posted it. If you want one of your threads to disappear, then don't reply in it.

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 04:23 PM

53. even a broken clock is right once a day

if folks embraced fng andrew sullivan, which they did, for his sudden obama-love, i will give this odious creature a pass...once.

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 04:27 PM

54. Biden promised not to run for Pres when picked for VP

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Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:30 AM

57. Camille Paglia is a horrible human being. NT

 

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:56 AM

62. I think the whole Biden/Warren ticket is just to make Warren jump to their tune and do what


they want. There is NO way the Clintons will step aside. And I do not see Obama letting an indictment take place. He has had Clinton's back for months.

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:56 AM

63. Camille Paglia -- lololololololololololololololol;oloololkhnfhvuiehi

Last edited Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:39 PM - Edit history (1)

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:57 AM

64. Camile Paglia

 

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:03 AM

66. She is a hateful idiot and Biden and Warren is ridiculous....

 

Biden/ Warren? Lol.

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:43 AM

69. Camile Paglia? What does Orly Taitz think?

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