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AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:52 PM Jun 2016

Anyone who voted for Hillary in the primaries should not be angry when their job is taken by a robot

or artificial intelligence computer, and they can't find another job to pay for their cost of living. They have noone to blame but themself. Hillary won't give a damn shit about the welfare of the people. Her friends are in the 1%, and they matter more to her. If they wanted someone to care about their ability to put food on the table, they should have voted for Bernie.

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Anyone who voted for Hillary in the primaries should not be angry when their job is taken by a robot (Original Post) AZ Progressive Jun 2016 OP
Anyone who voted for Bernie in the primaries should not be angry when their job is taken by a robot msongs Jun 2016 #1
Only one candidate in this primary is a Social Democrat AZ Progressive Jun 2016 #2
That's going to stop the future? I don't think so. WhiteTara Jun 2016 #47
Got news for ya, that description you gave for Bernie is why few over 50 would vote for him tonyt53 Jun 2016 #55
I disagree with your statement... k8conant Jun 2016 #83
Kind of a Luddite statement Gomez163 Jun 2016 #77
Hillary is designing an AI now? Gosh, it's like there's nothing she can't do! BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #3
So Bernie is anti-robot? I'm confused. Didn't even know robots were a threat... Henhouse Jun 2016 #4
Neo Ace Rothstein Jun 2016 #69
Is Bernie going to ban robots and artificial intelligence? YouDig Jun 2016 #5
All Too True - HRC Probably Loves Robots - Since They Can Be Programmed cantbeserious Jun 2016 #6
Notice that none of the Hill supporters here addresses the issue I was talking about AZ Progressive Jun 2016 #7
link? bigtree Jun 2016 #24
No one's biting, huh? Kind of a tough argument to make . . . brush Jun 2016 #85
This is one argument that I don't think can fly. Vinca Jun 2016 #8
Who's more likely to push for guaranteed income when the time comes? AZ Progressive Jun 2016 #10
Bernie, but you have to have a job to get the guaranteed income. Vinca Jun 2016 #12
America needs to get away from the puritan work ethic AZ Progressive Jun 2016 #20
It's the value system that matters -- And she represents the "ruthless efficiency" corporate mindset Armstead Jun 2016 #44
Must be running out of right wing talking points Andy823 Jun 2016 #9
Bernie is really John Connor...nt SidDithers Jun 2016 #14
Damn Andy823 Jun 2016 #82
You act like any president can change these trends Dem2 Jun 2016 #11
Dodging the argument. Bernie will push for social safety nets, Hillary won't. AZ Progressive Jun 2016 #15
that's completely fabricated hog wash Dem2 Jun 2016 #22
You think Hillary cares about you? AZ Progressive Jun 2016 #33
I was right. Dem2 Jun 2016 #42
... SidDithers Jun 2016 #13
Bernie has a policy against robotics? oberliner Jun 2016 #16
The replacement of workers by automation is a a technological revolution. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #17
Hillary is a noted Cylon apologist MadBadger Jun 2016 #18
They look like us, now...nt SidDithers Jun 2016 #28
She's a variant of Ellen Tigh. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #40
Heheh... SidDithers Jun 2016 #45
Points for the BSG reference! mcar Jun 2016 #62
So, you want a president who has the awesome power to procon Jun 2016 #19
I for one welcome our robot overlords. May I have fries with that? Tarc Jun 2016 #21
How could they be angry? HassleCat Jun 2016 #23
Seems like a lot of people here deserve to have their jobs taken by a robot AZ Progressive Jun 2016 #25
Why won't a robot take your job? JoePhilly Jun 2016 #39
Robots are coming no matter who is elected. shadowrider Jun 2016 #26
Bingo. You have to embrace technology redstateblues Jun 2016 #84
You think you can pass a law to jeep businesses from automating ? It's rainy in Ohio today. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #27
Yes, because Hillary makes robots and favors them over people. nt Jitter65 Jun 2016 #29
then us lazy asses can get basic income!!!!!!! wendylaroux Jun 2016 #30
bernie loves him some robotics in the factories of his MIC bestest friends nt msongs Jun 2016 #31
Bernie is running a Robot ad right now!!! JoePhilly Jun 2016 #32
Damn...if people would just vote as often as robots the US wouldn't be a mess!! Sancho Jun 2016 #34
Holy macadamia nuts! frazzled Jun 2016 #35
Save us from the robots, Bernie!!... SidDithers Jun 2016 #36
"Vote for Hillary, because she won't care about you" AZ Progressive Jun 2016 #37
Hillary supporters here are advocate destitute poverty for tens of millions more of Americans AZ Progressive Jun 2016 #38
Bernie supporters here ... JoePhilly Jun 2016 #43
Wha? I don't think anyone here is is advocating for no social safety net. NT Adrahil Jun 2016 #68
Robots for Hillary!!! zappaman Jun 2016 #41
This thread is unintentionally awesome...nt SidDithers Jun 2016 #46
A $15 national minimum wage would dramatically increase the prevalence of robots Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #48
The grocery store we shop at just did a renovation. Ace Rothstein Jun 2016 #71
Will be happening anyway, independently of who is elected andym Jun 2016 #49
Hillary is in the pocket of big robot tandem5 Jun 2016 #50
or an hib visa holder DonCoquixote Jun 2016 #51
Lol..And Obama is the antichrist and all the other nonsense.. beachbumbob Jun 2016 #52
This is just too fucking easy postatomic Jun 2016 #53
I'm not worried, I have Old Glory robot insurance. n/t PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #54
So, we are supposed to stop innovations and discoveries in technology? anotherproletariat Jun 2016 #56
I love, love, love this thread... Spazito Jun 2016 #57
Will it do the cleaning for me? greatauntoftriplets Jun 2016 #58
I want a robot to mow my lawn. Ace Rothstein Jun 2016 #73
OMG, this thread is fun. murielm99 Jun 2016 #59
Look. blue neen Jun 2016 #60
Here's a cat, in a shark suit, riding a Roomba, chasing a duck... SidDithers Jun 2016 #61
OK, now I have officially seen it all. Beacool Jun 2016 #72
I completely agree, I'll be pushing for a basic income. joshcryer Jun 2016 #63
I, for one, welcome our robot assistants ... NurseJackie Jun 2016 #64
A robot wouldn't want my job--I teach teenagers. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #65
So you think Bernie can halt technological advancements? Adrahil Jun 2016 #66
BEST POST EVER! OilemFirchen Jun 2016 #67
Like this one? Beacool Jun 2016 #70
Robot? jamese777 Jun 2016 #74
I, for one, welcome our robot overloads. Especially if they'll cook and clean my house. Number23 Jun 2016 #75
Jobs will be taken by robots. apcalc Jun 2016 #76
Yes because Bernie can stop technology. Agschmid Jun 2016 #78
That ship sailed a long time ago. vdogg Jun 2016 #79
kick and rec n/t warrprayer Jun 2016 #80
This is one of the stupidest posts I've ever seen on DU. beaglelover Jun 2016 #81

msongs

(67,365 posts)
1. Anyone who voted for Bernie in the primaries should not be angry when their job is taken by a robot
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:54 PM
Jun 2016

neither bernie nor hillary have much or anything to do with the future of robotics. all those millennials in love with their made in china toys have more to do with it than either hillary or bernie

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
55. Got news for ya, that description you gave for Bernie is why few over 50 would vote for him
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:31 PM
Jun 2016

Yes, it does matter to the millions that lived with the threat of socialist governments for the better part of their lives. Only somebody naive about history would not understand that. Millions. And no FDR's policies were Democrat policies, he hated socialists, so please stop trying to claim them.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
3. Hillary is designing an AI now? Gosh, it's like there's nothing she can't do!
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:04 PM
Jun 2016

Or just nothing the haters won't try to lay at her feet. #cheesewiththatwhine?

Henhouse

(646 posts)
4. So Bernie is anti-robot? I'm confused. Didn't even know robots were a threat...
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:05 PM
Jun 2016

This is a scary world we live in. I voted for Hillary. Who will stop the robot invasion?

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
7. Notice that none of the Hill supporters here addresses the issue I was talking about
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:07 PM
Jun 2016

That Hillary won't give a damn about society when a lot of people will be losing their jobs in the near future because of robots and deep learning artificial intelligence, whereas Bernie will push for social safety nets and possibly even a guaranteed income when the problem becomes large enough. Hillary couldn't have more contempt for Bernie's supporters, she will likely be wanting to punish them by withholding help.

brush

(53,743 posts)
85. No one's biting, huh? Kind of a tough argument to make . . .
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:42 PM
Jun 2016

that Sanders is going to stop robot development.

Sort of luddite and sort of . . . well, silly.

Vinca

(50,237 posts)
8. This is one argument that I don't think can fly.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:10 PM
Jun 2016

We know the corporations are greedy bastards and it won't matter if it's Bernie at $15 an hour or Hillary at $12 an hour. If they can oust an employee and get it done cheaper with a robot, that's what will happen. Our government will never enact a law that outlaws greed.

Vinca

(50,237 posts)
12. Bernie, but you have to have a job to get the guaranteed income.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:15 PM
Jun 2016

If the robot's got your job, you're just plain old fucked.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
20. America needs to get away from the puritan work ethic
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:23 PM
Jun 2016

And Bernie's a lot more likely to lead that movement than Hillary.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
44. It's the value system that matters -- And she represents the "ruthless efficiency" corporate mindset
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:49 PM
Jun 2016

Can't stop progress, But society can work to guarantee that humanistic values and social interests also continue to have a role. Politics both reflects and leads those attitudes.

The phony liberals who Clinton represents don't give a shit, otehr than shrugging their shoulders and saying "too bad."





Andy823

(11,495 posts)
9. Must be running out of right wing talking points
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:11 PM
Jun 2016

I have seen all kinds of "fear tactics" used by the bro's, but now you are trying to tell us that only Bernie can protect us from the robot invasion? You really need more of these.

Dem2

(8,166 posts)
11. You act like any president can change these trends
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:13 PM
Jun 2016

That's a f****** ridiculous premise, how dare you assume such things.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
17. The replacement of workers by automation is a a technological revolution.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:18 PM
Jun 2016

No President can hinder or even help it along.

procon

(15,805 posts)
19. So, you want a president who has the awesome power to
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:23 PM
Jun 2016

interfere with the decisions of private businesses? You want a president who will stop innovation, and R&D for AI systems, and not build the educational skills necessary to be employable in the 21st century? Look, you use the word "progressive" like a cudgel to pound away at everyone, but evidently there is also an asterisk that limits just how "progressive" you are, and while that might be good enough for you, it won't put any food on anyone's table.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
25. Seems like a lot of people here deserve to have their jobs taken by a robot
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:27 PM
Jun 2016

Great, I get to have no sympathy for you guys.

shadowrider

(4,941 posts)
26. Robots are coming no matter who is elected.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:28 PM
Jun 2016

I'm far too old, but if I were young today, I'd either go to school and learn how to build, program and repair robots, or I'd take up a trade.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
84. Bingo. You have to embrace technology
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:42 PM
Jun 2016

Doing that has enabled me to keep my career as a music producer continuing into my late sixties

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
27. You think you can pass a law to jeep businesses from automating ? It's rainy in Ohio today.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:34 PM
Jun 2016

Is that Hillary's fault too ? Geez, get a clue.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
38. Hillary supporters here are advocate destitute poverty for tens of millions more of Americans
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:42 PM
Jun 2016

because they won't be able to find a job due to the artificial intelligence and robotics revolution, and Hillary won't offer any social safety net to help them. How compassionate!

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
48. A $15 national minimum wage would dramatically increase the prevalence of robots
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:12 PM
Jun 2016

and automated kiosks, like nothing else. When the cost of a human cashier pretty much doubles overnight the economics of installing automatic checkouts become vastly more compelling.

Ace Rothstein

(3,144 posts)
71. The grocery store we shop at just did a renovation.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:08 PM
Jun 2016

They went from 6 self service checkouts to 2. Was nice to see.

andym

(5,443 posts)
49. Will be happening anyway, independently of who is elected
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:18 PM
Jun 2016

Economics being what it is-- as the AI robots become cheap enough and technology improves they will be used more and more, and not just for low level jobs-- AI has been designing physics experiments already-- everyone has to worry.

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
56. So, we are supposed to stop innovations and discoveries in technology?
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:38 PM
Jun 2016

My great-grandfather's job as a blacksmith was eventually eliminated by technology. Luckily, he was able to find other employment. This is what is going to have to happen in every generation. It is the way the world works if we want to keep improving ourselves.

murielm99

(30,717 posts)
59. OMG, this thread is fun.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 04:09 PM
Jun 2016

Thanks for the laughs, AZ Progressive. This is not as good as the LOLcats, but it is still a good one.

blue neen

(12,319 posts)
60. Look.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 04:36 PM
Jun 2016

Bernie Sanders is a smart man. He never would have said to the college students attending his rallies,
"I am going to halt the progress and production of robots when I am elected President!" If he did, those college students would have walked out of the rally.

The reason why is that some of the best and brightest college students are going to school for ROBOTICS ENGINEERING. Schools like Stanford, MIT, Carnegie Mellon, Virginia Tech, the University of Pennsylvania are some of the leaders in our country in the field of Robotics. Heck, even the high school kids are into it. They join Robotics Clubs and go to Robotics Competitions that are every bit as competitive as sports events. What do you think these STEM classes are all about?

The plain fact is, if we as a country don't embrace the study and application of Robotics, the rest of the world will leave us far, far behind. It doesn't matter who is elected President; Robotics is here to stay.

I am sorry that your preferred candidate is not winning. It's happened to me in the past, and it can be hard to take, but please stop making untrue assertions. It doesn't help anyone's cause.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
61. Here's a cat, in a shark suit, riding a Roomba, chasing a duck...
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 04:38 PM
Jun 2016

'Cause it all starts with robotic vacuum cleaners.



Sid

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
63. I completely agree, I'll be pushing for a basic income.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 04:44 PM
Jun 2016

While people bitch because consumers want cheap shit.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
64. I, for one, welcome our robot assistants ...
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 04:46 PM
Jun 2016

...just like Rosie on The Jetson's. What a blessing that will be.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
66. So you think Bernie can halt technological advancements?
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 04:51 PM
Jun 2016

That worked so well when Combine replaced manual harvesting, or factory looms replaced hand operated looms. Or cars replaced horses. Or.... well you get the picture.

Bernie cannot stop it. No one can. The answer is NOT how to stop it, but what to do for the people getting replaced.

jamese777

(546 posts)
74. Robot?
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:05 PM
Jun 2016

Where can I find one of those robots to do my job while I go vote for Hillary on Tuesday? If the robot can do my job permanently, I'm fine with that.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
75. I, for one, welcome our robot overloads. Especially if they'll cook and clean my house.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:09 PM
Jun 2016

Hell, I'd hire the KKK if I thought they'd cook for my family and I didn't have to worry about it EVERY FREAKING DAY.

vdogg

(1,384 posts)
79. That ship sailed a long time ago.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:20 PM
Jun 2016

Robots will take over jobs no matter who is elected. You need to direct your anger at Google and various other AI companies if you have a bone to pick about that.

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