2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumStephanopoulos GRILLS Hillary Clinton: Do You ACCEPT Report That ‘YOU BROKE State Department Rules’
Who me?....I'm innocent.....I play by the rules just like this primary.....
Clinton insisted that the report vindicates her, the rules werent clarified until after she left, and she has already said it was a mistake.
Stephanopoulos challenged her on the idea that she wasnt unique in using email this way, because Colin Powell (for one) didnt have a private server. He asked if she really doesnt just accept the conclusions of the report.
Clinton said that people around the government knew what she was doing.
Segami
(14,923 posts)Response to Segami (Reply #1)
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forest444
(5,902 posts)It's the lie that gets you.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)forest444
(5,902 posts)She needs independent voters to see her like this:

But what they usually see is this:

libdem4life
(13,877 posts)forest444
(5,902 posts)Between you and me, I should have been born in your generation.
The economy was good, the music was great, and the girls wore flowers in their hair. These days almost everything looks like something out of a Jersey Shore episode.
C'est la vie.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)I was a hippie wannabe, I think. I hung with them, but my boyfriend and I were school teachers, so didn't quite make the cut. Getting caught smoking pot in those days would end your career...real quick like. I did wear tie dye, though...that counts for something.
I hear you about the flowers and the clothes...love was in the air.
Peachhead22
(1,083 posts)'If the President does it, that means it's not a crime."
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)old days just needs to start paying attention this election season, IMO. It's updated, to be more "gender correct".
pokerfan
(27,677 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)amandabeech
(9,893 posts)Please don't think that all of us appreciate this kind of behavior. It gives us all a bad name.
Remember, Bill lost his license for several years for this kind of stuff and more.
Those were lawyers who took that license away from him.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)The ones who insert "plausible deniability" into every single situation they find themselves in. Hillary Clinton would be one of the latter.
I am sorry though. That generalization wasn't fair.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)But you are right about some lawyers. No harm.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)But for every one of you there seems to be 100 in hopes she gets away with it all.
We don't see attorneys at law ...properly...openly making a case against her doing wrongs. Including the more serious malfeasance ussues of quid pro quo Clinton Foundation taking in money from foreign monorachs while she was Sec. of State.
An issue that became unequivocal once she re-joined it.
Senator Stevens was (wrongly) convicted for a used chair
Traficant was (wrongly) convicted for a rent-a-car.
Governor Siegelman did even less than Stevens or JT
But Chris Christie, as US Attorney, gave his former boss, USAG John Ashcroft, a $50 million Deferred Prosecution Agreement; and he's rewarded with Governor job (where similar cronyism and corruption is going on throughout)
Because no other lawyers openly call blue...as blue
No one seems to remember that we use to call it something else ..when top fed prosecutors would take millions of dollars...to forgo federal prosecutions
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)You can be that some of them are talking about it, but they won't talk publicly. You can be sure that they are talking about the State Department IG report, though.
Nothing will pop up here or in the news media--most people won't stick their neck out.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Can't find one counsel...out of thousands contacted ..to stick their head out and join my case against manifest injustice
Even with my having confessiins about intentional lying under oath...to the courts
This is why Bernie v Hillary...is a good v ebol battle...that should never even exist...being allowed to do so.
Thank you for your candor..retired or not
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)apparently did.
Segami
(14,923 posts)dinkytron
(568 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)even her own staff didn't know what she was doing
spin
(17,493 posts)In other words ... everybody knew I was breaking the rules and if I go down I'm going to take a whole bunch of people with me as they were breaking the rules too.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Response to Segami (Original post)
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nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Do not like what we see AND do not believe one word coming out of your mouth.
One Black Sheep
(458 posts)She just keeps making it worse by her refusal to bluntly say, "I was wrong. I take full responsibility."
Instead she uses weasel words and tries to act as if she was in the right, despite what the report said.
This kind of arrogance and inability to give a straight answer is one big reason so many of the people dislike her, don't trust her, and why her unfavorability ratings are record breaking.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)boggles the mind that some would allow a weasel like her near that position of power.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Who didn't ..... totally get off.... 'Scot Free'
He was disbarred
grasswire
(50,130 posts)She has to stop between every freaking word to make sure the next one isn't going to incriminate her.
Fairgo
(1,571 posts)The lying end game - diminishing space to prevaricate...legal consequences closing in...
The fact that she's contradicted herself so much on this matter (and many others) is a terrible sign, especially for a presidential candidate, but her campaign prevails. It's like there's a bubble that the truth just can't penetrate.
I expect this from the GOP but 2016 is different some how.
We're doomed.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)long before July votes
Even venerates at DU...are forbidden to say the truth
If you want to know who rules over you...just take notice of who you are being forbidden to criticize
And they dare to call this a Democratic process!
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)As someone put it, if we don't have laws that apply to everyone in the same way then we don't have democracy.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)I wouldn't expect any of them to admit to something that could amount to being a felony, with possible prison time attached.
But it's up to us to see through the BS, and realize the huge trouble they are actually in.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)WAY past time.
Different Drummer
(9,083 posts)sorechasm
(631 posts)Whatever happens in the next two weeks, these questions are only going to become more severe. It may no longer be sufficient to keep 'killing the messengers.'
Hillary better come up with some better answers.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)He kept saying "personal email account" instead of "server" and he could not use the word "lie" to her.
And this was called "grilling"
I call it framing.
sorechasm
(631 posts)Both were very bad actors, playing the obligatory Q&A session, hoping the public will be satisfied. They must think the public is incredibly gullible.
KULawHawk
(97 posts)All her supporters have kicked in to high gear with their posting and behavior. Everything is a misdirection to avoid the writing on the wall.
Attack other posters, attack news sources, excuse away the facts, and obfuscate anything that doesn't resemble falling in line to trumpet her supposed victory Tuesday. No. Matter. What.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)mooseprime
(476 posts)is not a feature of sound mental health. It should not be enabled with additional power and influence.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)hootinholler
(26,451 posts)If that were the case, why would her lawyer remind the FBI she has no obligation to be interviewed.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)He is playing into her framing.
She broke the LAW.
The media can't say the word "lying" either.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)It would appear that most governments except ours know what was on it.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)He is as ill-informed as Tweety, or perhaps that was deliberate obfuscation. It allows her to deflect.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)he flubbed that interview.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)MSNBC's Morning Joe Panel Discusses Stephanopoulos - Clinton Foundation Donation Scandal
Uncle Joe
(65,544 posts)Thanks for the video, KoKo.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)Same shit, different Clinton.
How can you EVER expect such a person to follow through on ANY promise?
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)To say such...
And many have been hidden (manifest injustly so) for far less
jillan
(39,451 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 5, 2016, 06:56 PM - Edit history (1)
We got a lot, though. A Dynasty....of very questionable repute. And, if worse comes to worse...Nixon Years of drip..drip..drip if nothing comes out before the election--it will come out eventually.
Laughing Mirror
(4,185 posts)Same old tired line, same old tired excuse she gives repeatedly for all her other blunders such as Iraq. Who could buy that line anymore? Few do.
"If I had to do it over again, I certainly wouldn't." She'll be saying it again four years from now, heaven forbid.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...count on it....
thesquanderer
(13,111 posts)about making Hillary our nominee.
peace13
(11,076 posts)Remember the sniper fire and her callous lies that made the men and women who were protecting her look inept. Who knows how many of them she of them she endangered with the unsecured server. We will never know.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)was it about bankruptcy bill . . . .
(you get the idea) Always on the wrong side, and always saying "sorry" AFTERWARDS!@
Tarc
(10,602 posts)Still giving it the ol college try...
Segami
(14,923 posts)Tarc
(10,602 posts)Just pitying the DU'ers that are still giving that rock a Sisyphean shove...
Segami
(14,923 posts)Tarc
(10,602 posts)
Segami
(14,923 posts)
Tarc
(10,602 posts)Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Tarc
(10,602 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)Very bad qualities for a person in a leadership position.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Just sayin........
Sheessshhh
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Pathetic.
Peachhead22
(1,083 posts)Judge: Well OK then. I think you learned you lesson. Just don't commit anymore felonies. Case dismissed.
/then Hillary supporters woke up.
shawn703
(2,712 posts)And both are disqualifiers for the office she seeks.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)She IS incredibly arrogant, and believes all the rest of us are stupid,
and, so far, she has been correct. She has been caught lying for years, and still gets away with it.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)This is just one of many reasons why people despise this person.
I have no interest in another Clinton administration parsing it's way through the further destruction of the middle class...
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)appalachiablue
(44,196 posts)K & R the Thread, thanks.
LAS14
(15,537 posts)JudyM
(29,785 posts)among other "discrepancies" between her assertions and the report's findings of fact.
The 4th chimp: ADMIT no evil...

LAS14
(15,537 posts)... had addressed servers. It seems reasonable that she didn't think it was an issue.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)LAS14
(15,537 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)LAS14
(15,537 posts).... list surely indicate that having a server was a rotten way to protect her 30,000+ e-mails from public view.
JudyM
(29,785 posts)by law, public record?
LAS14
(15,537 posts)JudyM
(29,785 posts)reading enough of the facts... see the I.G.'s report and the deposition testimony.
LAS14
(15,537 posts)JudyM
(29,785 posts)LAS14
(15,537 posts).... as stated by her staff (and probably by herself) is that she didn't want anyone to be able to get at her personal e-mails, and she didn't want to have to switch e-mail providers between public and private. She was allowed to remove her personal e-mails (since everyone makes the decision about which is public and which is private before they send them if they use two providers.) That sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Anyway, could you point me to the relevant quotes in the IG and depositions?
JudyM
(29,785 posts)glowing
(12,233 posts)She needs to take the 5th!
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)And in a couple of weeks...she'll face one who will (sadly) lauded for calling her to account
for obvious misfeasance and malfeasance
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)larkrake
(1,674 posts)Chezboo
(230 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)And I don't believe she is going to get away with it.
amborin
(16,631 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)EVERYONE says that AFTER the fact!! We need a President, a commander in chief, who will get it right the FIRST time! She's wrong an awful lot the first time around!
Segami
(14,923 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)free trade (still iffy on that one), and so on.
Chezboo
(230 posts)I'd have thought of a better way not to get caught.
KULawHawk
(97 posts)I'd never vote for her.
Thank God I got it right the first time. She didn't get my vote in the Primaries, and definitely won't in November - unless I end up on her jury. Then I'll vote for her to be found guilty.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)"...we found em..." Yeah right.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Multi-talented I guess.
MFM008
(20,042 posts)
tabasco
(22,974 posts)H. Clinton's poor judgment and dishonesty.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)"Hundreds of people knew." Huh? What does that prove? Nothing. Moving the goal posts yet again.
What a pitiful excuse. It sounds like "the dog ate my homework" or "I was just holding that bag of weed
for my friend."
Not. Fit. For. Dogcatcher.
Babel_17
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MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)
Segami
(14,923 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Tim Russert used to do that kind of thing every week. For a Republican, he'd nod as they spoke and either ask no follow up questions or a lame follow up question or two. With a Democrat, his follow up questions came one after the other, all aimed at the jugular and he'd talk over them when they tried to reply. Then, he'd claim he'd asked the "tough questions" of both sides equally.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)imagine. She has been doing it to the "little people" now he gets to see how it feels.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)George could never call her on all of them. He asked her one thing and she deflected and came back with a whole new set of LIES. .. . . . everyone knew she was using private email.. . . . another lie the report said was not true.
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