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[YouDig]

1. Did you also give advice to Bernie's campaign? Is that why he lost so badly?

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. It is you who is so off putting

I am tempted to sit the fucking election out. I just know better.


But thanks for the textbook example.

[hobbit709]

5. Classy-NOT!

[Bluenorthwest]

11. The OP is making a very valid point, one that has been made by the admins of this site as well.

The point is so valid that I personally can't see any way in which posts like yours serve any purpose for Hillary or the Party, it seems to be purely mean and divisive and that would serve the other side.

[YouDig]

18. The same person who is constantly pushing right-wing email conspiracies.

And has as much as admitted being Bernie or Bust aka Bernie or Trump. Sorry if I think that this particular call for "unity" is not much more than a whine.

It's just taking a resentful jab at the supporters of the candidate that beat Bernie.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. I know my dear the FBI is RW, and so is the State Department

they are part of the VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY that has been trying to being the Clintons down for decades, and so is Secretary John, Kerry, and his boss, President Barack Obama.

If you cannot see how ridiculous you read, well that is that lack of self awareness that is also part of the problem. But for the moment she will be YOUR PARTY NoMINEE... are you going to start to reach out, or continue to harass, belittle and make sure people do not vote for your candidate. You should look into the theory of leadership,

That said, on the 16 you can have the website all for yourself, Those investigations are NOT STOPING. But just as I was informed that I am a Republican, not a member of the press, not born abroad, did not get my degrees, not am I a PoC... you need to quickly inform the State Department that the Secretary is a Republican, has been all his life, never went to Vietnam either, or served in the Navy I suppose, and tell the President he is a life time Republican. While you are at it please inform the DOJ the AG is a Republican.

And here is where I am reminded of 2002, the AOL boards and actual Republicans.

[YouDig]

31. Not them, but the conspiracy theories you and other anti-Hillary people push are.

And everyone knows it, so pretending that you are just quoting the FBI, who has yet to say anything, isn't going to work.

I get it, for some reason Hillary rubs you the wrong way, and you want to see her destroyed, even if that means president Trump. But you're not fooling anyone with your passive-aggressive "advice" any more than you are with your right-wing conspiracies.

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. Ok my cospiracy theory is actually based on exaclty what the OIG reported on

they are onto the conspiracy You caught us, we were roasting marshmallows while getting that OIG report together, see how much we could irritate people like you.

[YouDig]

38. No, it's based on your fantasy lawyer friends that you claim tell you the inside scoop.

Which just coincidentally happens to be the same thing that gets posted on Breitbart. Hmm.

I wonder if you have any idea how ridiculous you sound, trying to pretend that your Breitbart conspiracies are from your secret well-connected insiders.

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. You mean experts who read that

As I said, it is based on actual material. You shall see. And I will enjoy that.

But damn you caught us, the smore's were too hard to get going, as we cooked that report... and all the emails, you know how hard it is to duplicate Sidney Blumenthal's writing style? Especially the cobbled together Special Access Program material. The NSA, are in the joke as well. It got poetic though with some of her emails arranging for visit to the theater with then Speaker Pelosi. Yup, they had to read like tweets, almost,

[YouDig]

46. Fantasy experts that you claim advise you, but nobody believes exist.

And fantasy experts that happen to repeat all of Breitbart's talking points. Do you really think you're going to fool anyone? Nope. And what's going to happen is, reality will move forward and leave you and your conspiracies behind, just the same as it's going to leave the Bernie math behind soon too.

[nadinbrzezinski]

51. Look you and your pals do not belive I am PoC

or a member of the media, or have degrees, advanced and all, or came to the US from Mexico, So you believing that about me, is truly Tuesday. It is also something REPUBLICANS did in 2002 over the AOL boards. You see my husband was not in the USN either. Oh and let's not forget I am not Jewish either. All my life, is just a figment of my imagination.

Oh and son, that is classic behavior of a bully,

By the way, it is also a classic example of what I remarked in the OP. So there is that.

[onenote]

58. for those of us not in CA, what is the subject of Prop 1?

Can you provide a link to the language? I tried to find it, but wasn't sure if I had the right thing.

[nadinbrzezinski]

63. Here you go

https://reportingsandiego.com/2016/05/18/proposition-i-minimum-wage-increase-city-of-san-diego/

Links at bottom to some of the stories on how we got there.

[onenote]

74. Thanks

[YouDig]

60. Not believing what random people post on message boards is not "bully" behavior.

And I have never made a comment on your ethnicity, so don't even try throwing that at me.

No, I don't believe that the Breitbart conspiracies that you regurgitate came from some super-duper insider, sorry, that's not bullying, that's common sense.

[nadinbrzezinski]

65. Please continue

and you are correct, the FBI is a subsidiary of Breitbart, Gets worst, the NSA, they work for El Rushbo, and Fox News, my god, those guys have state as a subsidiary of RW land.

[YouDig]

70. Your stuff doesn't come from the FBI, the FBI hasn't said anything yet.

You claim to have insight into what the FBI is going to say, based on secret legal insider experts who happen to say all the same things that Breitbart says.

You're not fooling anyone. Maybe yourself, but nobody else.

[nadinbrzezinski]

76. Nope you are correct (but the FBI is still hard at work)

the emails came from State, after Breitbart himself approved them. That alone is an accomplishment since he's been dead for a while, and as I said the OIG report, a few brewskies and a nice bon fire for the marshmallows, (don't tell CAL FIRE), and we cooked that report together.

Don't tell anybody but the E-Mails were routed though Agriculture though and JW, and CREW before they dropped out, knew that they needed to file to get us to finally write all those 55,000 individual pages, or what it 30,000 actual E-Mails? That was work! .

[YouDig]

81. Breitbart the website, not the person. But you knew that. I hope.

Anyway, I've heard your conspiracy theories and I'm not interested in them. I'm also not interested in your fake "advice". And you can vote for Trump if you want, or write in the Dalai Lama if it makes you feel special and different. Reality is going to move forward and leave all your nonsense behind.

[nadinbrzezinski]

84. No I mean the actual person

he was the one who edited all those emails. It is a super duper government program. See how much you are learning of how your government intends to do things?

[Cal33]

126. Of all the people to accuse of "pretending that you are just quoting the FBI, ...etc..." you picked

Nadinbrzezinski, who happens to be one of the highly respected posters in this forum. You
can be excused for not knowing this, of course, since you've been here only a month and a
half yourself.

My question is, Why would you or anyone who has been in this forum for such a short while
choose to make disparaging personal remarks about someone whom you can hardly yet
know?

[YouDig]

129. Yeah, I don't know who's who, I call it like I see it.

Looks to me that everyone on this forum respects the people who agree with them and not the ones that don't. For instance, I don't know you at all, but the fact that you're sticking up for Nadin tells me that you're pro-Bernie. Am I right? I'd bet heavily.

I've discussed the email issue a few times with Nadin, and it is totally obvious she has no clue. She constantly repeats conspiracy theories right out of Breitbart. It doesn't take long to figure out someone who does that, it's not like a subtle thing, it's very obvious.

Plus Nadin is Bernie or Bust, which is a nakedly pro-Trump stance.

I don't care much for seniority on an anonymous internet board. If someone is out of their depth, then they are out of their depth.

[Cal33]

134. You left out the main point: You accused her of pretending to quote the FBI. Does that

mean her FBI quote was false? And invention? That the FBI never said what she implied
they did? That's getting to be a rather personal accusation.

[YouDig]

135. There is no FBI quote. The FBI hasn't said anything yet.

She doesn't have quotes, she has conspiracy theory predictions about what the FBI is going to do in the future. She claims that they are based on some expert insider lawyer that she knows, but her theories are exactly what you can read in the right-wing press like Breitbart. She's full of it, it's obvious.

Yeah, I've only been here for a bit, but I've been on the internet for longer. People on message boards make things up all the time.

[nadinbrzezinski]

142. You mean the same exact FBI investigation Stephenapolous asked her about this morning?

http://twitchy.com/jacobb-38/2016/06/05/hillary-evades-a-direct-question-about-the-fbi-investigation/

http://content.jwplatform.com/previews/kgI5nZ4k-F6KYzWLn

Oh and by the way, I did not quote the FBI, just mentioned there is an investigation, and that the OIG report makes a charge recommendation far more likely. So you got personal and hot under the collar for nothing.

Now I have to tell my friends at ABC not to leak the connections between the State Department and my friend zombie Breitbart.

[Cal33]

159. Yet you were the one who used the words "pretending that you are just quoting the FBI..." to Nadin.

[nadinbrzezinski]

151. I never quoted the FBI, because there is only one quote from the FBI

Comney stated when asked "'We Do Investigations, Not Security Inquiries." He did say that to a Fox Reporter, but he could have said that to the WAPO, that is a statement.

And on May 11 he also said to Politico

FBI's Comey: I feel 'pressure' to quickly finish Clinton email probe

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/hillary-clinton-email-investigation-fbi-james-comey-223071#ixzz4AkU1tdd7
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook

So there are a few statements, but those are not the ones that he is referring too, Instead he is trying to push a meme that is incorrect and dishonest. Nor am I surprised the poster in question has no idea that the FBI has made very few statement, They don't like to do that during an ongoing investigation, There have been some leaks, from unnamed sources, but what we do have are both Emails and an OIG report.

Anyway, facts do not matter to that poster.

[Cal33]

162. I agree with you.

[nadinbrzezinski]

132. All the new arrivals have been doing that for moths

and he is actually showing a level of gobsmacking ignorance about this material.

[Cal33]

139. This reminds me of a forum that I was a regular member of for 7 years, and which I still

visit once in a while. It was open to both Republicans and Democrats. I got to know
them and their tactics quite well.

One day I directly asked a rather new Republican member, if he was being paid to
write in the forum. His reply was: "You mean you Democrats aren't being paid?"

Two or three days after the appearance of that reply, I never saw him posting again.

[nadinbrzezinski]

140. Well we know Brock paid one cool millon for this

and it reminds of Republicans in 2002. On the bright side, I now know both parties are more and more alike.

[Cal33]

146. Yes, both are under the financial influence of the Corporate people, and this is

something that Bernie has always been fighting against.

[840high]

56. Who are you? What country

do you live in if you think FBI is rw?

[840high]

55. Prime example - what turns

us off Clinton.

[CountAllVotes]

73. +1

Being shoved down your throat whether you like it or not! Vote HRC. Do it damn it, just DO IT or else is how it can make you feel or, you can just walk your path knowing that nothing can stop you from doing that, no politician, no nothing except you. Self-determination rules!

[www.ciafront.com]

79. Actually, Clinton is winning SO BADLY.

The fact is, she has parlayed a shoo in candidacy into a big fat question mark. The more the people know who Sanders is, the more votes he has gotten, both within and without the Democratic Party. Currently, he has garnered 46% of the party, after fighting against Clinton's mega advantage (name recognition, establishment support, media bias, having actually campaigned since she lost her last run, etc.).

Honestly, Clinton started with a sure win, and Sanders has eroded that completely. He has especially done well in the National Polls, and in his perception in the greater world.

So, when I see things like Clinton supporters claiming that "Sanders is losing badly" I have to wonder what they are actually trying to hide. Because from where I sit, Sanders continues to rise, while Clinton continues to fall. She is just lucking out that the primary process may end before Sanders can overtake her.

[Duckhunter935]

82. So classy, that is just what the OP is about

I think the same way.

[RazBerryBeret]

92. Kinda funny/ironic

You validated the OP's message in one comment!

[annavictorious]

2. When you sit it out, it is all on you.

You're not entitled to blame other people for the stupid stuff you do, even if your very, very good reason is "Well, I threatened them, and they still wouldn't listen."

Nobody is going to believe that it was a principled decision, no matter how hard you try to convince them.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Second textbook exzample of a sore winner

no you guys are making this reality, You do not want those votes, sure...

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

13. She said she won't sit out.

[CountAllVotes]

23. Threatened?

Where is the word "threatened" found in the mix? I have yet to see it personally.

Is SOMEONE being threatened or is this HRC campaign in danger of a major fail?

[Duckhunter935]

89. She did not say she was sitting out

She did say she is against Trump

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

6. The "Love it or Leave It" wing of the party demands total loyalty. K&R

I won't sit it out either.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. They act like partisans

[demwing]

42. Or like sports fans

and the ONLY thing that matters is whether their team wins, not how you play the game.

Politics is supposed to be about people, not touchdowns. Some have forgotten that basic principle.

[nadinbrzezinski]

44. Ok you are right, GGGGGOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!

It gets funny when there are own goals though.

[brush]

136. Nah! When it gets down to it, politics is about who wins.

[haikugal]

45. Love it or leave it is EXACTLY what they are, Thanks Tierra_y_Libertad... nt

[Peacetrain]

7. All I can say is this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512130946

"And they all have said (Bernie supporters). They would vote for HRC if she was the nominee.. and every and I mean every HRC supporter has said they would vote for Bernie if he was the candidate.

And never have I seen anyone I know locally try to disparage the other candidate as to be unacceptable to other Democrats..

So knowing on a local level.. how REAL Democrats are viewing this election.. all I can say is to those who would keep on trying to destroy the other side.. you are in a social media bubble.. the real world does not work that way.."

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. real democrats

another lovely term

Congrats for yet another example keep 'em coming folks,

[Peacetrain]

14. You are most welcome

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. You realize that in a country with a growing independent wing

this is a good way to outreach those voters you will need in November NOT.

[Peacetrain]

22. Here Nad

this is not the real world.. this is social media.. and once again.. I have never met anyone in real life.. real world.. I am talking Democrats.. who would not vote for Bernie or Hillary depending on who wins..or who disparage each other in such a way that it keeps them from voting for the opposition..

It is really easy to pop off and hate the other side in a place like this.. but in the real world.. you know that person..they are good people and maybe you have a different outlook on who should be President, and can debate that..but you do not take after each other like they were enemy number one..

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. Here another perfect example of what I just described int he OP

thank you

[Peacetrain]

28. Anything I can do for you..just give me a call

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. Nah I have precious little in common with you

but thanks for yet another example.

[Peacetrain]

34. You bet..

glad to help!!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

17. In order to be a REAL Democrat you have to know the secret handshake and sign the loyalty oath.

Not to mention the essential DNC monogram on your undies.

[Peacetrain]

25. The secret handshake goes like this

you grab each other by the wrist and pump twice.. but keep that one under your hat..

[CountAllVotes]

32. Real Democrats

A conveniently coined term that means nothing really. People are different and that is the reality of it. It does not matter what they are nor how they define themselves. They all share one thing and that is that they are all uniquely humans.

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. It reveals someting else

which in their lack of true self awareness they do not get. The party of the large tent is gone, and now it is the party of the small tent, with a door opened to the right, while they kick the old coalition out, Party realignments... they are fun.

[wyldwolf]

10. Remember that kid on the playground who always bullied the others?

Everyday that kid would taunt them, and even push and punch them. They took it as long as they could until, finally, they pushed back.

Then, that kid, knowing he was about to get his ass kicked, wondered why he was being treated that way. Boo hoo.

I don't give a rat's ass who you will and won't vote for and you have quite a high opinion of yourself to think anyone does. But we knew that already.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. Thanks for yet another ezample

You can't help yourselves

[Bluenorthwest]

20. I remember your candidate opposing my right to marry for decades while claiming God agreed with

her. That's some bullying and that's why I did not vote for her in this Primary.

[CountAllVotes]

15. It is no one's business who you vote for

Albeit Democrat, Repuke, Libertarian, Green, etc. That is why is it supposedly a "secret ballot". Secret? Not from what I can tell.

One tends to feel like they are being muzzled up if you don't Feel the HRC.

Will I vote for this HRC? At this point I might, but then again, should things change for the worse, I will not vote for the HRC (i.e. a criminal indictment will do it for me and others as well no doubt, hence the reason for those ugly "not trustworthy" words -- those words stick, sorry about that!).

So yep, leave 'em hanging until the end. The end is not over until November 2016; final "the end" is on inauguration day in January of 2017.

End of story and end of this nightmare of a campaign as very ugly tRump riots are topping it off nicely NOT!

Very excellent post per usual nadinbrzezinski!

[One Black Sheep]

16. I hear ya. If these Hillary supporters on here are at all representative of

the Hillary campaign, or how her campaign will be run if she becomes nominee, well, she is going to lose in a damn landslide! They seem determined to put off as many from voting for Hillary as possible...

[noiretextatique]

21. This primary is about the success of propaganda

of the DLC/3rd way/New Democrat 30+ year variety, not about the vast rw 30+ year variety. That the democratic front-runner is facing a possible indictment (among many other things) which merits barely yawn from her ardent supporters tells me that the former propaganda has been far more successful than the latter, at least among democrats. Do you think a republicon candidate would get so much forgiveness? I don't either.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Nope, but on the 16 the investigation will stop

or rather people will hide their heads in sand.

Alas that is not my problem... that will be the Democratic Party problem.

[Depaysement]

109. What happens on the 16th? Nt

[lapfog_1]

29. you and I might be the same person

only I'm an old white guy and ex-NASA scientist.

But we think alike so much...

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. Well we both grock science and policy I suspect

[beaglelover]

35. Do you need a safe space after posting that rant????

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. Nope, it is you guys you need one and *will get one*

Would you like some milk or a mint?

But thanks for yet another example.

[grossproffit]

40. It's your vote.

[joshcryer]

41. Ahh, privilege.

And for god sakes I could care less who comes out in the end.

The motto of privilege.

[Fumesucker]

49. She was talking about the primary

That is a "blue no matter who" statement and you call it privilege?

[joshcryer]

52. The whole post comes off that way though:

the Presidential race will not be in my high priority list either.

Example.

[joshcryer]

98. Only the privileged say DC doesn't matter to them.

[zappaman]

124. "you are making sure I never, like ever join the democratic party again."

Promise?

[Fumesucker]

68. For reasons of my own I'm not the biggest nadine fan around but she gets treated badly here

There is definitely a contingent who love to pick on her, make a sport of it.

[joshcryer]

77. I agree.

But she's said since really ugly crap to me lately, completely out of no where. And I'm not among those who bully, if anything I feel that way. I try to be respectful even when I'm accused of being a partisan (bad thing?), unable to have an adult conversation, an in love with Clinton, etc.

[Fumesucker]

113. She's kind of in a defensive crouch now I think

Yeah, I know she could go away but it's an addiction of a sort. I spend way too much time here still myself. The software makes it easy to keep up, too easy I think. I'm ruined for a lot of places where I have to expend mental effort to keep track of who said what to whom.

[nadinbrzezinski]

57. Yup, another example

thank you

[noiretextatique]

104. exasperation

is more like it. i'm a black lesbian, and i'm there too. you want a war hawk who is fine with bombing the hell out of Libya and blocking a wage increase for Haitian garment workers and supporting a rw coup in Honduras...by all means, you should have her. talk to me about privilege....thanks.

[nadinbrzezinski]

127. I just deleted my posts

anybody who posts that crap to a minority and an immigrant, is obviously somebody who is indeed very privileged.

But they are making sure I will never, ever, join the Democratic party for the same exact reasons I will never join the Republicans.

[oberliner]

47. There has been nasty behavior on the part of supporters of both candidates

Ugliness on DU has been directed in all directions.

[dana_b]

48. good for you - we get so wrapped up in WHO we sometimes dismiss the WHY

I am not familiar with Prop I but I will look it up. Maybe that's a SD proposition? Up north (SF Bay Area) we don't have too many things on the ballot. Only a few people as well.

[nadinbrzezinski]

54. It will increase the pay of my lowest paid workers by 50 cents on Wednesday if it passes.

and with the turnout we are getting, presidential, it should do well

[dana_b]

62. excellent! I hope it does and with flying colors

[randome]

67. Wait a second. You're an employer now?

You can afford to pay your 'workers' 50 cents but you've chosen not to until forced?

What am I missing here?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[Fumesucker]

71. She uses language a little differently

I've heard this before and she means the low wage workers protesting that she is covering.

[randome]

72. Okay. I'll allow that she may not fully understand usage of the word 'my'.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[PeaceNikki]

85. Seems legit.

[Fumesucker]

99. My gets used with people you don't own, my friends, my coworkers, my boss

My congregation, my team, my study group, my class, my bhagwan...

[randome]

114. With an after-the-fact explanation, perhaps.

But I don't need to dispute the point any further. It's clear that Clinton is our next President so the only 'valid' OPs, imo, are what to do about it.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[nadinbrzezinski]

152. The fact that I am not an employer

[randome]

50. There's one thing you DO care about, and that's telling us repeatedly how much you don't care.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[PeaceNikki]

53. Heh

[1StrongBlackMan]

75. I was thinking the same thing.

[nadinbrzezinski]

80. well there are tihngs in line that matter far more than

who comes on top, Parties will have standard bearers, and that is that. It worries me about one of the candidates, and how it could go south ten ways to Sunday, but you keep telling me how much the voters have spoken, So I am just a lowly cog, why should I care what happens? But Prop I, will directly affect people here.

[randome]

88. I don't see anyone disagreeing with Prop I so more power to the voters!

I don't see anything called Prop I through Google but I assume it's about raising the minimum wage. There is also a proposition about banning plastic bags. I recently signed a Change.org petition about this. Go, California!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[nadinbrzezinski]

90. Here you go

https://reportingsandiego.com/2016/05/18/proposition-i-minimum-wage-increase-city-of-san-diego/

As to the national really... it is what it is

[CrowCityDem]

61. We need to be gracious, while Bernie continues assaulting reality and reason. Why's that?

[nadinbrzezinski]

83. Becuase you will need those sore losers to vote in November

but I do not expect you to get it.

Sore winners, in sports or politics, turn people off in major ways.

[CrowCityDem]

87. So what happens if Bernie somehow won? Would we have to suck it up and be good soldiers?

[nadinbrzezinski]

118. Read the op... who I vote for is my business

and if the supporters were behaving this way after wining, which I suppose did happen in an alternate reality, Quantum Mechanics, it is fun, I would be telling them the same thing.

Given what I have witnessed and I might be completely off, but this is personal, after I was told I am not PoC, nor did I come from Mexico and apparently I am all for white and privileged, that is the implication, I am not in the mood to campaign for anybody and anyway, I am working press. We don't do that. At least those of us with ehtics.

I am such an ardent supporter of Mr Sanders, that we are not endorsing anybody, not even for dog catcher We only pointed a potential problem with two of the city sponsored ballot initiatives, in 10 years or so could explode in our collective faces. Hey, not the first time that the Council does that.

[PeaceNikki]

64. I'll take that under advicement.

[Lucinda]

78. :)

[LonePirate]

66. The SDs will count in 2016 in the same way they did in 2008 when they pushed Obama over the top.

I have no idea why people think 2016 will be any different when there is no precedent for it being different. Clinton will become the presumptive nominee on Tuesday and Bernie will concede within the next two weeks. Everything else is wishful thinking.

[nadinbrzezinski]

86. The party told the media not to do that this year

so sorry charlie if I refuse to actually go against the wishes of the Democratic Party. Proper links have been posted here.

[LonePirate]

96. And the media will ignore being told what to do by the party.

Every major media outlet will declare Hillary the presumptive nominee on Tuesday regardless of what the party has said. You're more than welcome to follow any rules or protocols or suggestions issued by the party. The media will still do what it wants to do.

[nadinbrzezinski]

101. And as I wrote in the OP, it is a vioation of journalistic ethics

they are creating the news, not reporting on it. I do not intend to be first and violate journalistic ethics, That said, CORPORATE MEDIA making news? It is happening more and more, why it is called propaganda, and this is just one example of many And at least CNN does know that, Their reporting to audiences abroad is actual hard news reporting

[zappaman]

107. Thanks for the lecture on "journalistic ethics".

[nadinbrzezinski]

111. LMAO

[jamese777]

69. Just the facts, nothing snide

"Hillary Clinton scored a sweeping win in the U.S. Virgin Islands on Saturday, picking up all seven pledged delegates at stake as she inched tantalizingly close to the Democratic nomination.

She is now just 60 delegates short of the 2,383 needed to advance to the November general election.

The party said Clinton won 84.2% of the vote, and Bernie Sanders earned 12.2%. Under Democratic National Committee rules, a candidate must win at least 15% of the vote to be eligible to receive delegates."

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trailguide-hillary-clinton-sweeps-virgin-islands-1465135282-htmlstory.html

[azurnoir]

91. It comes down to the question -What is a REAL Democrat?

and increasingly it becomes clear that the real Democratic party is the Third Way who's goals and intentions were personified during the first Clinton WH in the '90's

[nadinbrzezinski]

95. Policy is not what this is about

but how they are alienating the people they need the votes in Nov,

Nor really should we discuss such horrible things on DU.

[azurnoir]

110. I;m sorry to offend but that is central and part of what you point out in your OP

is the attitude that if you do not support Hillary you are not a real Democrat

[nadinbrzezinski]

112. I know and I am not

the party tent is collapsing, I am cool with that. But to discuss such things here on DU is to invite the wrath... we have places, NOT HERE, where we can actually speak of such horrors, such as GAO reports and the resegration of American Schools.

[RandySF]

93. Credibility is earned

And a year of conspiracy theories pretty much shot that to hell.

[nadinbrzezinski]

115. I know the FBI has no credibility with you or the State Department

but that is neither here or there, on the 16 you will have your place where you can hide from that.

[zappaman]

94. Your 378th post telling us you "don't care"?

That's a lot of not caring!

[nadinbrzezinski]

97. ah my shadow speaks

[zappaman]

103. sorry this thread didn't go like you thought.

Oh well, if you hate it here so much, why not leave??

Pro tip for a seasoned journo like yourself, it's "advice", not "advise".

You welcome.

[nadinbrzezinski]

106. Actually it did

in a marvelous way

[NNadir]

100. Sorry, but it's not my role to stroke your ego. If you sit this one out, it says something...

...about you, not us.

If you keep your vote a big secret, I personally couldn't care less. I'm not as interested in you as you'd like to believe.

If you have some big bad contempt for what you call "the corporate media" - which by the way made that tiresome fool Sanders - I couldn't care less.

Actually information is freer and more available than at any time in human history (if you look), so I'm less than interested in your "corporate" boogey men and boogey women, if there are, in fact, such boogey women (other than the Democratic nominee of course).

Either you are an ethical human being or you are not. Whether you are not is of little interest to many of us, but to the extent you run around calling the Democratic nominee a "corporate whore" or "war monger" or "an indictable criminal" or whatever other very, very, very, very, stupid labels are flung around here by the Sanders bots, will, in my mind define your ethics, not that I really give a rat's ass who any of the Sandersnistas actually are.

There are lots of people who will vote for Trump, some of whom will do so passively, and others actively, like say, sometime Bernie supporter Susan Sarandon.

Whether she publicly announces she's an asshole, and others privately act like assholes matters not much. What matters is that Trump loses.

I'm an old man, but I have to say this is the most insane election of my life time, and the insanity is not limited to the people who put Mr. Red Hair comb over at the top of the ticket, racist rants and all.

The whole situation reminds me of Abraham Lincoln's Letter to James Conklin, (1863) and I quote:

"And then, there will be some black men who can remember that, with silent tongue, and clenched teeth, and steady eye, and well-poised bayonet, they have helped mankind on to this great consummation; while, I fear, there will be some white ones, unable to forget that, with malignant heart, and deceitful speech, they have strove to hinder it."

The conditions and terms of the American Civil War were far more exigent than the conditions we face now; although a Trump Presidency could in fact, bring even worse conditions than those of 1863. Still the focus of the rhetoric are the same. Some people work to save the country, others sit on their asses and whine about their parochial concerns and others actually make things worse.

Enjoy the rest of the afternoon.

[nadinbrzezinski]

102. I am not asking you to stroke any egos

but if that is you got, thanks for the textbook example.

Oh and I do not care if you take the advise or not. Bed are being made. I hope you enjoy it.

[raging moderate]

116. Bernie Sanders won my support many years ago.

Bernie Sanders won my support by speaking up for racial equality, fair wages, progressive taxation, infrastructure repair, immigration reform, continuation of WIC and unemployment compensation, universal health care, adequate provisions for our troops, freedom of speech, and educational opportunities. The media had very little to do with it, except in showing him speaking on the floor of the House and then the Senate. I had been noticing him for a very long time before he threw his hat in the ring last year. Of course, I have said before, I will vote for the Democratic nominee, but I want all of my fellow Bernie Sanders supporters to have a chance to vote for him. And I want everyone to think about the points he has raised. Our opponents are crafty and unprincipled, with insidious efforts to corrupt our leaders. Paul Ryan has just launched a new offensive to deregulate the US economy and increase the power of the wealthy corporations. We have some formidable opponents, and it will take all the cooperation we can muster to rein in the Ayn Rand racists we are confronting. When I was working for Eugene McCarthy and my roommate was working for Robert Kennedy, we managed to keep getting along okay. It could happen here, too. Winners should show good sportsmanship even more than losers.

Gratuitous insults against Bernie, like the one you just posted, will do nothing to make Sanders supporters want to cooperate with you. And, by the way, Clinton supporters might also want to drop that silly "elitist" insult against Sanders supporters. It's not true, and it is clearly borrowed from the rightwingers who tried to hang it on the hippies most of whom were not rich. In those days, my fellow hippies and I got a good laugh out of it, which we needed as we struggled against the poverty most of us had been born into. In fact, it still gives me a good laugh! That really helps when I am soothing myself out of a flashback from my poverty childhood with wish sandwiches and a little brother crying from an untreated toothache. Why don't you just show some of the kindness and love that is in some of your sig lines? Hillary Clinton, like me, is a Methodist; I know what our church would want to see here. Just hold your horses and give some people time to think this thing through.

[NNadir]

138. Like I said, I couldn't care less. Write in the fool's name if you wish. Like Ms. Clinton...

...I'm focusing on Trump.

But for the record, I was once a hippie myself, but I grew up. I'm not proud of it though I found my "hippiedom" to have been a real waste of time, a time in an insipid herd of iconoclast wannabees who were, in fact, less iconoclastic than they assumed they were. I should have used that time more usefully.

Onn that note, I will say this, I'm real fond of that commentary that asked whether Bernie Sanders reminded you of your stoner roommate in college. Is Bernie Sanders your stoner college roommate? After he fumbles his way through a Daily News interview, there seems to be far less to the socialist populist than meets the eye

Remember that guy who lived in your college dorm, always wore a Che Guevara t-shirt, and ranted about “the system?” That’s basically Bernie Sanders.

Throughout this presidential campaign, a fulsome narrative has sprouted up around the Vermont socialist: That whatever one thinks of his far-left political views, Sanders is undoubtedly bookish, erudite and extremely knowledgeable about the issues.

A highly revealing interview with the Daily News Editorial Board last week, however, shows that claim to be utter rubbish.

Now let's turn to your views on your right to speak for the impoverished, because you "were not rich."

For the record, my father was a laborer with an 8th grade education whose pension disappeared with Jimmy Hoffa, but so what? I had a few episodes of sleeping on other people's couches, and counting cups of rice until the next pay check; this doesn't make me an ennobled expert on other people's poverty

You think that Bernie Sanders supporters were all uniformly disadvantaged and know better about poverty than anyone else? Sanders is an expert on poverty and racial equality? In Vermont? It's a resort state for white people. I know; I've been there enough.

Sanders is nothing more than a self indulgent baby boomer who whined like hell whenever he wasn't the center of attention for his whole damn life, this with an air of superciliousness that was not appropriate for his accomplishments, which are, by the way, few. If there's any group here at DU that has felt the need to lecture everyone on how everyone should be like them, it's not Clinton supporters.

If you're really, really, really interested in real poverty, by the way, you ought to take a look at the UN's Global Millennium Development Goals report. I did and wrote about it in an effort to confront insipid ideas in energy like those rather dubious ideas that Sanders and his supporters think passes for an energy and climate policy, those that are currently failing at a grotesque rate.

The UN report, (with a convenient link) reflecting on the percentage of people on this planet who live on less than $1.25 a day, is the 4th reference among 68 in my following work:

Current World Energy Demand, Ethical World Energy Demand, Depleted Uranium and the Centuries to Come

Really. You can keep your smug hippie attitude about poverty to yourself. You're hardly the expert you think you are. I'm not, in any case, interested in Sanders platitudes; I'm interested in what he actually knows, and what he's actually done, which in my opinion, in both cases, is not much.

Sanders supporters can take their balls and go home if I'm required to listen to their tiresome statements about how the Democratic Party needs to change in order for them to behave like adults and grant it their august "stamp of approval." Why do we need to indulge them? One feels that nothing will satisfy them, as one can see at looking at the titles of some posts in this space. I couldn't care less about what they do at this point. My impression is that they have been, and in many cases, remain vicious. I'm not a Methodist, but I am familiar with the biblical verse about living and dying by the sword. So let it be with Sanders supporters.

Ms. Clinton is leading the Trump asshole by a satisfying and growing margin, and I expect, given her wonderful, intelligent, and appropriately confrontational speech the other day, that the lead will widen significantly, with or without Sanders and his supporters. She drew the issues in appropriately stark terms.

If someone doesn't understand those terms at this point, I really can't help them.

Give my regards to Susan Sarandon.

Have a nice evening.

[riderinthestorm]

153. What a thoroughly nasty response to raging moderate's real effort to dialogue

I actually feel sorry for your bitter soul.

[nadinbrzezinski]

158. What a nasty textbook example

thank you

[Warren DeMontague]

105. Some people have cranked the assholery knob up to eleven, that's for sure.

I laugh at em, but i certainly dont think they're accomplishing anything other than making themselves look obnoxious.

I keep envisioning, like, a fat, bald shirtless guy with a new jersey accent, reams of back hair and a bunch of gold chains, who sits down on the park bench next to the play structure full of little kids and lights up a big smelly cigar. "Whaaaaat? Fuck youuuse"

[nadinbrzezinski]

108. My image is actually more obnoxious , but yes

[beachbumbob]

117. Support a fascist or not...make threats or not really don't care

[nadinbrzezinski]

120. Thanks for the textbook example

[justiceischeap]

119. I don't usually weigh in our your posts (or posts like this one)

However, I will say this. It's not my job to make you feel better about your candidates loss (no matter the candidate). It's not my job to help you get over the loss.

My job is to help get the next Democratic nominee elected. That's my job. But that job doesn't include trying to convince someone who will never be convinced to vote for my candidate to vote for my candidate. My job isn't about kissing someone's ass so they feel better. My job isn't to take insults from fellow "democrats" to no end.

A fair share of mudslinging from both sides of this primary has been going on and don't act like there hasn't--I've only recently started posting in GD : P because of this onslaught of insult slinging if you support Clinton. I've been told by fellow Democrats elsewhere (and I've read it here) that maybe I'm not really progressive, how can I be if I support HRC? Or, my favorite, I'm a war monger, just like Clinton. I could go on and on about how Sanders supporters have tried to explain to me how wrong I was about my Clinton support in both polite and impolite ways but I won't because I'm too busy working trying to get my candidate elected.

People are passionate about their candidate and because it's the Internet, some people type like fools but some people are grown-up and recognize the behavior of others for what it is and don't threaten to hold their vote hostage because they got their feelings hurt on a message board. Passive-aggressive displays of vote withholding are juvenile and do no one any good--mostly yourself. If you decide to sit this next one out, that's on you because you don't like how some people on a message board have talked about your candidate or the way some of that candidates supporters have acted towards you.

[nadinbrzezinski]

121. Counterpoint

My job is to help get the next Democratic nominee elected. That's my job. But that job doesn't include trying to convince someone who will never be convinced to vote for my candidate to vote for my candidate. My job isn't about kissing someone's ass so they feel better. My job isn't to take insults from fellow "democrats" to no end.

By getting obnoxious you are not doing that. Just pointing that out.

My job and yours are very different. I report on this shit, I really could care less who wins. but if you truly believe that is your job, you need those people to hold their noses, whatever you want to call it, and get them in line. But hey, I really don't care. I am not the one you need to reach. After all, you will never know who I pretend to vote for. On any election. Hell, I don't take the I Voted sticker. Just do it and walk away.

You are guaranteed only one thing, I will be there, I only missed one election, my brother died the day before the election, I had to catch a plane. Hell I went to vote in 2008 with a 103 fever.

[justiceischeap]

125. The point of the matter is, I'm not being obnoxious because I disagree and point out facts

Therein lies the problem. How you see things and how others see things. Facts are things... they are real, tangible things. At this point in time, I'm more concerned about people living in alternate realities devoid of facts than I am about our democracy.

And when you say, "you will never know who I pretend to vote for" does that mean you actually pretend to vote? Otherwise this whole withholding your vote thing went into another direction. Did you mean intend to vote for?

[nadinbrzezinski]

130. I don't believe elections in the US are clean

for the record that started in 2000. So I expect my vote to count however the central tabulator decides I voted.

It is a sad state of affairs, but many of us who have come from jokes of a democracy with sham elections, do not consider the US system of elections clear, or straightforward, or something I can trust, regardless of who's running. Why the presidential level turnout in San Diego gives me some hope that the torta effect will be overcome for Prop I.

But that is besides the point, IN political theory there are people who are known as trend setters, It is the same principle as in marketing, If you can get trend setters to go, ok I will swallow my pride and vote for whoever, then their friends and neighbors will listen. I am media, I am pretty much beyond quite a bit of influence, I cover these people at policy. So an add will hardly get me going but, but.

But regular voters who voted for in this case Sanders, many of them are early adopters, you need them to get more people to follow to the polls. This is so basic that it astounds me, no really it does that people who pretend to understand politics don't get this. Trust me on this one, the Trump campaign is working hard on getting the early leaders, He is so despicable that he will succeed, with about best case 20 percent of primary Sanders voters, (About the same percentage of conservadems by the way, for other reasons)

You need the rest.

As to me... I am so disgusted that who I vote for, is truly my business. In 2008 I walked into the precinct with a high fever, I do not guarantee the same scenario this year. And when and if I do, I will vote and never tell anybody but the conure, who I voted for. Anyway, as working media I should not tell you And we are not endorsing anybody, not even for dog catcher. That is how much I adore Bernie Sanders. Sorry but that makes me laugh.

[Califonz]

128. I voted for a Clinton in 1992

haven't made and won't make that mistake again!

[Bjornsdotter]

131. I always enjoy your posts

...and look forward to them.

Yes, I agree...the media has been creating the news and in my opinion they created Trump as the candidate. Mr Bjornsdotter and I were discussing how different it was in the past when the media reported the news and candidates had to have equal amounts of air time.

I remember when Reagan was running the networks didn't show any of his movies because it was considered an unfair advantage.

[nadinbrzezinski]

133. And it was that administration when that process reversed

or rather started to

[Adrahil]

137. I could return that advice to Sanders supporters. NT

[nadinbrzezinski]

147. Alas how winners act determines a lot of the future

this is so basic to both political theory and marketing it is not even funny. I explained that already, not going to bother again. But if you are willing to own the consequences. please do. Myself. I am just a witness now.

[jeff47]

141. AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

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Just a note, and I do not care if you take the advise or not
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512131157

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This post is nothing but a personal attack against Clinton supporters dressed up as "discussion" and is all the more ironic considering who posted this! Post is not only inappropriate for GDP it does nothing for the discourse on this site.

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[nadinbrzezinski]

145. a 7-0 that is indeed impressive

[zappaman]

149. I agree with the results and juror #3.

Sometimes juries do get it right!

[asuhornets]

143. What do you and the other Sanders supporters want? nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

144. I am such a big and YYYUUUGEEE Sanders supporter that we are not endorsing him

at the paper. We are not endorsing anybody.

And I don't want anything from you. It is your decision how you proceed, just own the results.

[CountAllVotes]

148. What Bernie said

Let the people speak and let the superdelegates make their case -Bernie Sanders 6/2/2016

[JEB]

150. The Clintonites do come off a bit nasty and condescending.

Never was a way to win me over, but really it comes down to policy. She could throw the liberals a bone, but seems more interested in keeping the corporate donations coming in.

[Uncle Joe]

154. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, nadin.

[nadinbrzezinski]

156. You welcome

[riderinthestorm]

155. Democratic turnout is already low. With such a flawed candidate topping the ticket I'm worried too

For down-ticket races and issues like your Prop 1.

Very discouraging.

Thanks for bringing this point up. It's important.

[nadinbrzezinski]

157. To me it is this

and if that is the bed they want...

[Scootaloo]

160. They won't listen, Nadine

We've both tried to talk to them repeatedly. Spare your keyboard some wear and tear.

[nadinbrzezinski]

161. especially after this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2132985

This is coming straight from the top,

well they don't need me I don't need them... it is pretty simple.

[Owl]

163. K&R!

[nadinbrzezinski]

164. Before this is locked since truth is too much I will self delete myself

Just a note, and I do not care if you take the advise or not

right now the way that many of the HRC supporters are acting, you will get one reaction, and only one reaction, And that by the way includes me. And for god sakes I could care less who comes out in the end. Not only are you off putting, but you will not get people to fall in line. You can be a gracious winner or you can continue down this path. It is actually your choice.

Myself In November I will pretend to vote for whomever, nope, you are not in the need to know group.

On Tuesday, the only thing that is high priority for me on the ballot is not the Sanders- Clinton drama, but Prop I, since I am actually somewhat invested in that. We have been covering that story on our poverty and policy angle, and quite frankly, people are truly struggling. So whatever, and on Wednesday, UNLIKE the rest of the media, we do not intend to count SDs, we have not, at the request of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY for the whole process, not going to start now. What the corporate media is doing is creating news, which is an ethical violation from hell, but I do not expect you to get why it is a problem, So go ahead, say whatever, I run an independent media outlet, we do not intend to cross that ethics line. SD votes are counted on July 25, that is when I will count them, NOT A SECOND BEFORE.

But you keep this line of well harassment and attacks, you are so off putting that you will guarantee that at least a few folks, if not many, will fucking sit it out, and it will be due to YOUR BEHAVIOR, not that you will own it.


Myself, I know I am too fucking stubborn to sit an election out. But trust, me, I will not share who I vote for, that is my business and the vote, so far, is still secret. And likely in November, the Presidential race will not be in my high priority list either. And do not trump me ok. The man is a fascist

Oh and add this from Bill Clinton, Now we all know where this is coming from

Fin Gomez ✔ @finnygo
‪#‎BillClinton‬ to @BernieSanders hecklers: "If I were them I'd be screaming too bc they know they will be toast by election day."
3:03 PM - 5 Jun 2016
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Good luck in November