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Let this be a lesson to the Democrats..never again welcome non-Democrats into the party to do (Original Post) Jitter65 Jun 2016 OP
They're a fungus StayFrosty Jun 2016 #1
Don't bemoan to us about Hillary's Email problems FreakinDJ Jun 2016 #38
Wow. Dehumanization right out the gate. Scootaloo Jun 2016 #86
Stay classy, Hillbot. mac56 Jun 2016 #119
Very inappropriate. Bernie was allowed to run Hortensis Jun 2016 #144
Exactly....for running for President anyways... FarPoint Jun 2016 #2
That's totally crazy. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #3
Never let an untrustworthy one ever again..., beachbumbob Jun 2016 #4
I don't know if you realize this, but Hillary's record with the rules is pretty absymal too. notadmblnd Jun 2016 #49
When did Hillary mess with DNC rules? beachbumbob Jun 2016 #50
I'm pretty sure Hillary agreed to follow State Department rules notadmblnd Jun 2016 #52
Ahhh . . . when she was SOS, she set State Department rules. brush Jun 2016 #75
Obama was her boss and even he has rules defined by karynnj Jun 2016 #143
She went for the throat - national 840high Jun 2016 #129
Kick & highly Recommended! William769 Jun 2016 #5
By your reasoning non-Democrats should NEVER side with the democrats, not in the House, Autumn Jun 2016 #6
Yep Mnpaul Jun 2016 #33
Their wish seems to be that republicans own the House, Senate and the White House Autumn Jun 2016 #54
Loyal independent? puffy socks Jun 2016 #108
He caucus'd with the Democrats for decades AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #139
And he did that to get a committee seat puffy socks Jun 2016 #146
In other words ... NanceGreggs Jun 2016 #76
Because he's supposed to be puffy socks Jun 2016 #106
That's funny coming from Clinton supporters Mnpaul Jun 2016 #111
Oh Please puffy socks Jun 2016 #112
If that were true Mnpaul Jun 2016 #115
Try reading his history fool puffy socks Jun 2016 #118
Your phoney, cherry picked made up history? Mnpaul Jun 2016 #122
Try politifact puffy socks Jun 2016 #124
Try finding a Dem with a better voting record voting with the party in the House Mnpaul Jun 2016 #125
He puffy socks Jun 2016 #147
Welcome to the party but you can't be our candidate for until you have been a Dem for Jitter65 Jun 2016 #59
Don't welcome me. I switched to Unaffiliated last year after over 40 years a dem and I will Autumn Jun 2016 #65
Good riddance puffy socks Jun 2016 #109
So it's a problem GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #137
just so that the person has some sort of connection to the party so he doesn't burn it down DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #87
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #94
Agreed. The Third-Way "GOP Lite" types have done severe, near irreparable damage to Demo values. nt villager Jun 2016 #7
+100 eom Karma13612 Jun 2016 #132
Lol, what a silly post. Logical Jun 2016 #8
Sanders is working to be very unpopular MFM008 Jun 2016 #9
Actually, the opposite. jeff47 Jun 2016 #25
Perhaps not PJMcK Jun 2016 #82
not to mention that 10 million mysterious donation that's un-itemized DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #90
Psst...can't give $1,000,000 to a campaign. jeff47 Jun 2016 #92
When did our party start caring for the big donors... Peachhead22 Jun 2016 #133
Agreed. Hillary should run as a Republican or third party. tecelote Jun 2016 #10
Exactly. ret5hd Jun 2016 #16
Yep. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #27
+1000 FreakinDJ Jun 2016 #39
Word. farleftlib Jun 2016 #55
All of what you said there. Agony Jun 2016 #68
I agree....nt asuhornets Jun 2016 #11
With Democrats being only 29% of registered voters? Very short sighted. Lars39 Jun 2016 #12
Exactly! Nictuku Jun 2016 #58
Very true Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #102
I was just thinking the same thing. Should have been thought of decades ago. nc4bo Jun 2016 #13
I disagree. All Bernie did was try to bring the Democrats back to napi21 Jun 2016 #14
+1. nt nc4bo Jun 2016 #15
What matters to these folks is the internemtn camps nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #138
There are a few people surprised by Sanders behavior right now. Trenzalore Jun 2016 #17
What if we were democrats and became non-Democrats Sky Masterson Jun 2016 #18
We should be ostracized and never be allowed to vote for a democrat is what it looks to me. Autumn Jun 2016 #60
I haven't yet but I'm going to re-register as an independent. Sky Masterson Jun 2016 #66
I can assure you it is the most liberating thing I have ever done. Autumn Jun 2016 #72
I have Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #103
And, if that's the case, also do not beg them to caucus with the Democrats in the Senate. Vinca Jun 2016 #19
Same with voters. The behavior is not limiting at all. nt nc4bo Jun 2016 #22
I'm sure the Republican Party would have given the socialist from Vermont committee assignments Trenzalore Jun 2016 #23
Well that got him a hell of alot of respect from Democrats, didn't it? Vinca Jun 2016 #24
Where do you see any disrespect Trenzalore Jun 2016 #32
No, I'm upset that people who claim to support Hillary continue to trash Bernie when it's clear he Vinca Jun 2016 #37
Bernie keeps saying he's taking it to the convention Trenzalore Jun 2016 #40
I'm sure republicans will cross over and vote for Hillary and the republicans are just Autumn Jun 2016 #67
I think that is true for both Trenzalore Jun 2016 #70
Massive K & R. Thanks for posting. So spot on. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #20
fewer than 30% identify now as dems. have fun with that. nt restorefreedom Jun 2016 #21
This is an even bigger pile than your last one. You're getting to Apatosaurus size hobbit709 Jun 2016 #26
So what's your plan to win the general election with 30% of the electorate? (nt) jeff47 Jun 2016 #28
Great question. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #35
Plan? We don't need no steenking plan. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #36
The plan? Their plan seems to be to make fucking sure dems don't win. Autumn Jun 2016 #46
Personally, and this JMO, they welcomed him in to be a foil for HRC. libdem4life Jun 2016 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #30
Amen to this!!!! CherokeeDem Jun 2016 #31
That policy would mean more Ralph Nader in 2000 results. NT Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #34
Beat me to it. nt Rex Jun 2016 #42
Sad part is 3rd Wayers try to pass theirselves off as Democrats FreakinDJ Jun 2016 #41
God forbid we have choices, right? TCJ70 Jun 2016 #43
Party platform and DNC revisions must include... yallerdawg Jun 2016 #44
The whine is strong in this one. nt Logical Jun 2016 #45
Yeah let;s do that nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #47
My thoughts exactly-infact it's already happening PFunk1 Jun 2016 #77
You're absolutely right. notadmblnd Jun 2016 #48
Enough with the impostors. Time for the right-wingers to get the hell out. Broward Jun 2016 #51
change is good,peoples cages need to be rattled wendylaroux Jun 2016 #53
So much for the Big Tent Party. (n/t) Cascadian Jun 2016 #56
Way to make some of us feel unwelcome.... LP2K12 Jun 2016 #57
I can't agree with you more LP2K12 Nictuku Jun 2016 #61
Bingo lbp Jun 2016 #91
They don't want us to feel welcome. mac56 Jun 2016 #120
Way to GOTV and expand the party! AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #62
k/r Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #63
Then don't ask for their votes... Contrary1 Jun 2016 #64
Say goodbye then to the 1/2 of Democratic voters that voted for Bernie in this primary Agony Jun 2016 #69
This bullshit harms your candidate and this Party. I think that is your objective. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #71
That's the lesson you learned?! TheFarseer Jun 2016 #73
I think you need to purify the party Fumesucker Jun 2016 #74
Purify the party? JonathanRackham Jun 2016 #80
Are you sarcasm impaired? mac56 Jun 2016 #121
Both major parties jamese777 Jun 2016 #78
When did YOU join the Democrats? rateyes Jun 2016 #79
And the same for voters. kiva Jun 2016 #81
You just got a 0-7 Leave!!!!! sheshe2 Jun 2016 #83
And someone who called him a "shit stirrer" got a 6-1 HIDE George II Jun 2016 #99
Oh my. sheshe2 Jun 2016 #100
Amen. (nt) Paladin Jun 2016 #84
THIS will be Sanders' true legacy to the Democratic Party Number23 Jun 2016 #85
I agree. k&r DesertRat Jun 2016 #88
"never again welcome non-Democrats into the party to do..........." guillaumeb Jun 2016 #89
And, they call us "purists". Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #93
"We will never get past the primary if sore winners choose to keep trashing Bernie Sanders." QC Jun 2016 #95
The alert on your post is pricerless! William769 Jun 2016 #96
YEAH!!! cui bono Jun 2016 #97
I assume you are speaking for the party leadership, being an official Team Hill member Hydra Jun 2016 #98
How very astute from a newcomer! Congrats to alienating sadoldgirl Jun 2016 #101
Hi. We agree. JimDandy Jun 2016 #105
So many of us long-time former Dems who recently left the Party agree. JimDandy Jun 2016 #104
So does this Dem who re-registered just to vote for the REAL Dem! cui bono Jun 2016 #113
You weren't going to vote Democratic anyway redstateblues Jun 2016 #128
May I see your psychic's credentials? cui bono Jun 2016 #135
Fantastic Point... SDJay Jun 2016 #107
Disagree strongly. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #110
I think this is troll bait Tragl1 Jun 2016 #114
Yep. Nader worked out so well. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #116
From the day he entered the race, I knew he would hurt the Democrats. Sheepshank Jun 2016 #117
He has HELPED the Dems. He has gotten more people registered to the party who cui bono Jun 2016 #136
But jpmonk91 Jun 2016 #123
Never again let any one into the Dem Party that TELLS THE TRUTH IS FOR THE AVERAGE bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #126
Neither the DNC or the RNC understood the full ramifications of Citizens United. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #127
Trash 840high Jun 2016 #130
You mean kinda like how Trump wants to ban Muslims... Peachhead22 Jun 2016 #131
Ha ha. The only reason they invited him in was because they thought he had no chance. bjo59 Jun 2016 #134
Damage? Sanders has shaken the Democratic party in the most healthy of ways. avaistheone1 Jun 2016 #140
So what you're telling everyone is this? hobbit709 Jun 2016 #141
I'm thinking that a solemn, tasteful initiation to The Party should be required. Buns_of_Fire Jun 2016 #142
You are not helping HRC unite the party behind her with this karynnj Jun 2016 #145
. tk2kewl Jun 2016 #148
Yes, DWS should quit running Republicans for Democratic seats BuelahWitch Jun 2016 #149
You're right. Dems shouldn't have allowed the republican DLC in to the Party decades ago. eom Kermitt Gribble Jun 2016 #150
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife Jun 2016 #151
Exactly. Let's get rid of all them Neoliberal Dems and have a real Democratic Party for the people. highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #152
I bet if Sanders were running as third party candidate Urchin Jun 2016 #153

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
144. Very inappropriate. Bernie was allowed to run
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:19 AM
Jun 2016

in good part BECAUSE HE HAD DEMOCRATIC SUPPORTERS. Got it? It was never all about HIM, it was about US -- what the members of the Democratic Party want, and many wanted him.

In any case, I recommend all who agree with this nonsense remember their democratic principles and grow a tougher skin. Politics is a rough business and always has been.


FarPoint

(13,520 posts)
2. Exactly....for running for President anyways...
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:19 PM
Jun 2016

Maybe need to be a practicing Democrat for 5 years to run for President...set parameters for other offices across the country...per state party to determine.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
4. Never let an untrustworthy one ever again...,
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:21 PM
Jun 2016

Sanders has shown his real class in breaking the rules he agreed too....I hope DNC revokes all sanders credentials...

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
49. I don't know if you realize this, but Hillary's record with the rules is pretty absymal too.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:56 PM
Jun 2016

But don't take my word for it. Just read the IG report.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
52. I'm pretty sure Hillary agreed to follow State Department rules
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 06:02 PM
Jun 2016

Or do you believe that she is exempt from following rules she agrees to?

brush

(57,052 posts)
75. Ahhh . . . when she was SOS, she set State Department rules.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 06:54 PM
Jun 2016

Clinton's state department is not Kerry's state department, which is one reason why there will be no indictment.

She was the boss.

karynnj

(59,887 posts)
143. Obama was her boss and even he has rules defined by
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:15 AM
Jun 2016

Others. Are you suggesting that all the rules HRC IGNORED were just retroactively dreamed up by Kerry? Why is the FBI and DOJ involved?

Autumn

(45,972 posts)
6. By your reasoning non-Democrats should NEVER side with the democrats, not in the House,
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:22 PM
Jun 2016

not in the Senate and certainly we should never ever fucking vote for any democrat. May all your dreams be realized and I wish you all the luck in the world.

Jitter65
0. Let this be a lesson to the Democrats..never again welcome non-Democrats into the party to do
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damage. Let them all go third party if necessary.


Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
33. Yep
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:40 PM
Jun 2016

next time, independents like Sanders should let bills like the ACA fall by the wayside. Why should he help the Democrats when they are so ungrateful.

Autumn

(45,972 posts)
54. Their wish seems to be that republicans own the House, Senate and the White House
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 06:12 PM
Jun 2016

for good just to get even with one old loyal Independent Socialist who seems to have overstepped the boundary they set, for him, not for others.

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
108. Loyal independent?
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:08 PM
Jun 2016

Loyal to whom?
He and his supporter think rules don't apply to them
That ws made crystal clear throughout his campaign

NanceGreggs

(27,835 posts)
76. In other words ...
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:06 PM
Jun 2016

... people like Sanders should vote on bills based on which party was nice to them, rather than on the merits of the bills themselves?

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
106. Because he's supposed to be
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:05 PM
Jun 2016

helping Americans NOT making things personal and being a petty childish asshole?

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
111. That's funny coming from Clinton supporters
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:36 PM
Jun 2016

You want to give him the boot but he should be nice to you?

Its not hard to see why Republicans have taken control of both houses

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
112. Oh Please
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:43 PM
Jun 2016

Give it a rest

He refused to help Dems until he realized he couldnt get on any committees without them

Hes done nothing but bash them for years

Now he uses the DNC for his campaign Because he didnt have the infrastructure built and stabs them in the back


Bernie can go pound sand

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
115. If that were true
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:48 PM
Jun 2016

How is it that he has the best record of voting with the party in the House and is 8th in the Senate. Yeah, he really hates the Dems.

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
124. Try politifact
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:33 PM
Jun 2016

Or his own words when CBS asked him why he was running as a dem

I know you won't because you don't want to know the truth keep your blinders on
Sad

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
125. Try finding a Dem with a better voting record voting with the party in the House
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:36 PM
Jun 2016

I know you won't because there isn't one

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
147. He
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:36 AM
Jun 2016

is only a Dem now because he needed the infrastructure
He said so himself
Are you calling Bernie a liar?

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
59. Welcome to the party but you can't be our candidate for until you have been a Dem for
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 06:25 PM
Jun 2016

at least 4 years.

Autumn

(45,972 posts)
65. Don't welcome me. I switched to Unaffiliated last year after over 40 years a dem and I will
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 06:39 PM
Jun 2016

NEVER switch back to the democratic party. Nothing would ever fucking convince me to join people like you in your party. Good luck, you'll need it...or you may get lucky and you'll get what you really want and what you are advocating for, republicans in charge. Because that's what will happen if only democrats are welcome in your party.

DLCWIdem

(1,580 posts)
87. just so that the person has some sort of connection to the party so he doesn't burn it down
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:49 PM
Jun 2016

Frankly she made herself a hero by simply letting go and not harming the party she had that connection and knew she had a future.

Response to Autumn (Reply #6)

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
7. Agreed. The Third-Way "GOP Lite" types have done severe, near irreparable damage to Demo values. nt
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:22 PM
Jun 2016

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
25. Actually, the opposite.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:35 PM
Jun 2016

Sanders now has a massive donor list.

That makes him very, very popular.

PJMcK

(22,785 posts)
82. Perhaps not
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:19 PM
Jun 2016

Respectfully, jeff47, Senator Sanders' "massive donor list" should be looked at with a cold analysis. The vast majority of his donors gave very small amounts of money, i.e., less than $100. It only takes one major donor giving $1,000,000 to put those small donations into perspective. That disparity of scale makes the major donor's influence far more powerful in the donor's impact. Senator Sanders does not have very many major donors.

Additionally, his most vocal supporters have made it clear that they will not vote for the Democratic nominee unless it's the Senator. This will not endear him to the Democratic Caucus in the Senate.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
92. Psst...can't give $1,000,000 to a campaign.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:45 PM
Jun 2016

Contribution limits? What are those?

Additionally, his most vocal supporters have made it clear that they will not vote for the Democratic nominee unless it's the Senator. This will not endear him to the Democratic Caucus in the Senate.

The caucus in the senate wants cash. Sanders kept up with your $1,000,000 donors giving to Clinton until about the last month. That's a hell of a lot of donors. And votes.

There's a reason both Pelosi and Reid have refused to say anything bad about Sanders.

Peachhead22

(1,079 posts)
133. When did our party start caring for the big donors...
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:38 AM
Jun 2016

...over large numbers of average people? /cry

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
55. Word.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 06:15 PM
Jun 2016

The third-wayers, especially HRC, are not Democrats and they don't support true Democratic values.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
14. I disagree. All Bernie did was try to bring the Democrats back to
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:26 PM
Jun 2016

being DEMOCRATS! Remember the days of FDR? Social Security, breaking up the monopolies, health care, union support...

I was way to young to actually remember FDR. I was born when he wad our President. But I've heard a lot about his accomplishments and the dreams he still had for our country. Because of Bernie's popularity, it seems a lot of others haven't given up on getting our Party back to the days when they were really supporting the working man!

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
138. What matters to these folks is the internemtn camps
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:17 AM
Jun 2016

not social security. It used to be that only the Republicans brought that up in a food fight, Yes, the camps were discussed by historians. But when base party members really do not care about SS, and Medicare and the NLBR, you now we have finished the transformation.

Trenzalore

(2,490 posts)
17. There are a few people surprised by Sanders behavior right now.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:27 PM
Jun 2016

I am not one of them. He has shown a complete disinterest in the real world of politics in coalition building over his career. He's spent his entire political life in a liberal safe zone. That he is unfazed about the disaster we are facing as a nation if Donald Trump were elected should only surprise people that thought he had positive intentions in running as a democrat to begin with.

Sky Masterson

(5,240 posts)
18. What if we were democrats and became non-Democrats
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:29 PM
Jun 2016

Should we be ostracized or booted from the party for the traitorous scum that we are?
Or would it be wise to find out what turned us from Democrats to non-democrats?

Autumn

(45,972 posts)
60. We should be ostracized and never be allowed to vote for a democrat is what it looks to me.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 06:32 PM
Jun 2016
I find it insane that any democrat would say they only want registered democrats voting in their party, Independents, Unaffiliated anyone other than democrats should go third party and leave the democrats alone. That is Fucking Insane. I know exactly what got me to go the the DMV and switch to Unaffiliated after well over 40 years a registered voting Democrat, one who volunteered in every election. But I don't think that matters to the democrats or their party. They just want us gone, I don't have another party to go to but I sure as fuck don't have to intrude on theirs. Me and my vote? We are a package deal, joined at the hip, where I don't get to go because I'm not welcome? My vote don't fucking go.

Sky Masterson

(5,240 posts)
66. I haven't yet but I'm going to re-register as an independent.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 06:42 PM
Jun 2016

No matter how this primary ends. I am obviously not important.
Doing what the poster suggest is a great way to become irrelevant as a party.
I barely recognize what it has become these days.

Autumn

(45,972 posts)
72. I can assure you it is the most liberating thing I have ever done.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 06:50 PM
Jun 2016

I left the party after Jamie Dimon was whipping votes on the senate floor at Obama's behest. When Bernie announced I went down and switched back to democrat so I could caucus for him. After he won Colorado I went down left the democratic party for the last time.

Vinca

(50,867 posts)
19. And, if that's the case, also do not beg them to caucus with the Democrats in the Senate.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:29 PM
Jun 2016

Not so long ago, Bernie was every Democratic senator's BFF. He still will be if he returns to the Senate and they want to get their bill passed. Just use 'em when you need 'em, huh? Angus King take note.

Trenzalore

(2,490 posts)
32. Where do you see any disrespect
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:39 PM
Jun 2016

He was given access to the VAN, was allowed to run for a party he was never part of.

Are you upset that a person who has spent 25+ years helping other people get elected has establishment support?

Vinca

(50,867 posts)
37. No, I'm upset that people who claim to support Hillary continue to trash Bernie when it's clear he
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:42 PM
Jun 2016

won't reach the number of delegates required to be the nominee. I'm starting to think you're all Trump supporters on a mission to keep people from voting for Hillary in November.

Trenzalore

(2,490 posts)
40. Bernie keeps saying he's taking it to the convention
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:45 PM
Jun 2016

I live near Philadelphia. I have no interest in him inspiring trouble during the convention for personal reasons. This being said, nobody is going to have anything but nice things to say to him if he leaves this gracefully like Hillary did in 2008.

Autumn

(45,972 posts)
67. I'm sure republicans will cross over and vote for Hillary and the republicans are just
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 06:43 PM
Jun 2016

going to be so fucking excited to work with her in the House and the Senate.

Trenzalore

(2,490 posts)
70. I think that is true for both
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 06:48 PM
Jun 2016

I have a republican friend at work who has nothing but nice things to say about Bernie Sanders. He is still voting for Drumpf if Bernie is the nominee.

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
35. Great question.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:41 PM
Jun 2016

You aren't likely to get an answer but I think it might go like this - if you don't vote for her you're voting for Trump.

If that's the best reason, we're doomed and you can bet a large swath of young people just coming to political age will be disenfranchised for a long time.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
29. Personally, and this JMO, they welcomed him in to be a foil for HRC.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:37 PM
Jun 2016

Any Establishment Democratic candidates assumed it Was Her Turn...even though there does not appear to be a link to that effect. Just one of those little tidbits that got repeated and repeated and ....

What better than a Frumpy, Grumpy, Socialist, Old Jewish Guy from some state near Russia where the molasses flows or something.

It really would have been a boring Primary with just Daily Notes From Hillary. What they did not expect, was the strong portion of the party that wasn't All Into Hillary or even a Little Bit. Either new or formerly disgusted stay-at-home voters, the Left, the Progressives, Anything Left of Center...fall into that category.

Nor did they factor in the "little review" that was going on at the time. Pffft. Cue the flick off the dandruff gif.

They were clued into the server during Benghazi, but it was pretty well hidden by State...nothing to see here.

Fast forward. We actually have democracy in progress (big emphasis on the little d) as we now move into uncharted territory. A BFD full FBI Investigation, lots of cover-ups and other things that would put Nixon's crew to shame. Meanwhile, the Old Tortoise plugging along while the Hare stops along the way to figure out what to do with Trump.

I have no idea what will transpire, but I'd bet money it won't be any traditional-type ending. And let's face it...such has been The Clinton's history...not your average American family. I really think Bernie just kind of stumbled into it...but rose to the occasion pretty darn well.

And he's far from being done. He may have found his calling...Revolutions never end with the first battle...won or lost. But the course has been charted.

Response to Jitter65 (Original post)

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
41. Sad part is 3rd Wayers try to pass theirselves off as Democrats
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:45 PM
Jun 2016

you have Bill Clinton to thank for that

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
44. Party platform and DNC revisions must include...
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:47 PM
Jun 2016

"Sanders Rule" - must be a Democrat at least 4 years prior to filing for presidential election cycle.

"It's my party, and I'll bar if I want too..."

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
47. Yeah let;s do that
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:48 PM
Jun 2016

and while at it, prevent those voters from voting in the General (would require a few changes in the law) but let's

Then you and the Republicans can implode.

Ah the party of the big tent is folding the big tent.

Oh and don't worry, I will not be joining your party anytime soon, for the same reason I got absolutely fed up with Republicans in 2002 on the AOL boards. So enjoy your party as it will continue to shrink. A lot of the new sigh ups are going back to independents as soon as they vote. Though I hear there is a bunch of conservative republcians who will be joining your party. I do not expect you to have an issue with that.

PFunk1

(185 posts)
77. My thoughts exactly-infact it's already happening
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:13 PM
Jun 2016

And the third-way/DNC dems have been actively encouraging it for decades now.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
48. You're absolutely right.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:53 PM
Jun 2016

People like Bill and Hillary Clinton, along with people like Debbie Wasserman Shultz should have never been allowed into the Democratic party. Just look at all the damage the've done. All but destroyed the democratic principles we were all taught growing up.

wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
53. change is good,peoples cages need to be rattled
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 06:09 PM
Jun 2016

when they become too much like what they used to be against.

LP2K12

(885 posts)
57. Way to make some of us feel unwelcome....
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 06:23 PM
Jun 2016

At 18, I graduated high school and registered Republican and voted for Bush.

After enlisting and getting real life experience under my belt, I changed my party to democrat.

I voted for Obama twice.

I voted for Sanders in the Michigan primary.

I'm willing to vote for Clinton even though I support Sanders, but snarky posts like this really turn me off...

Nictuku

(3,846 posts)
61. I can't agree with you more LP2K12
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 06:32 PM
Jun 2016

So much so that I plan on leaving the Democratic party after this election. Other than the one time I voted for Ross Perot, I have never voted for anyone other than a Democrat, but the DNC has soured me on the Party. I'll be changing to Independent after this election, in search for what was once touted as Democratic Values.

Anyone remember Ross Perot? (that big giant sucking sound you will hear are jobs and factories leaving America - His response to Clinton's NAFTA). Looking back, I'd have to say he was prophetic. Just as Bernie was (and is, in terms of the TPP)

lbp

(8 posts)
91. Bingo
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:57 PM
Jun 2016

I've been a registered Dem since 96; voted for Clinton (even though my state went to Dole).

I also voted for Sanders this primary but TX went to HRC.

I'm not one to be easily rattled by anonymous posters on a left wing blog but this primary has me second-guessing my party affiliation. Maybe I'm just too darned liberal for my party.

mac56

(17,612 posts)
120. They don't want us to feel welcome.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:23 PM
Jun 2016

They've made that clear for months now.

They don't need our stinking votes, unless we bow down and accept the inevitable.

TheFarseer

(9,465 posts)
73. That's the lesson you learned?!
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 06:52 PM
Jun 2016

We should just unquestioningly eat up whatever the establishment is feeding us with a fork and spoon? And you should give up right away when it looks like someone else has a better chance of winning?

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
74. I think you need to purify the party
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 06:54 PM
Jun 2016

Throw out all the backsliders and the hesitators, only true believers allowed. Perhaps some small membership fee to get rid of the riffraff and those not truly serious, say one thousand a month.

Yes, only when you have reached a sufficient level of purity can you then achieve electoral nirvana.

jamese777

(546 posts)
78. Both major parties
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:17 PM
Jun 2016

have always had a left, a center, and a right since their founding. That's the way it always has been and that's the way it always will be. Anyone who joins the Democratic Party is a Democrat.
Deal with it.
The ideological tensions between left, right and center is healthy for a party.

rateyes

(17,453 posts)
79. When did YOU join the Democrats?
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:17 PM
Jun 2016

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Me? I joined in 1978, when I turned 18. Gonna be leaving the day after the convention, because of newbies like you and third wayers who either don't have a clue what a real Democrat is or don't care. If the party doesn't go back to its new deal ways, I hope we take it down and build a real Dem party to take its place. That will be my effort.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
81. And the same for voters.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:18 PM
Jun 2016

If they're not registered Democrats, they shouldn't be allowed to vote for a Democrat in November

George II

(67,782 posts)
99. And someone who called him a "shit stirrer" got a 6-1 HIDE
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:29 PM
Jun 2016

On Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:19 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

From day 1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2133619

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calling posters a troll has always gotten a hide. So this post should be hidden.

JURY RESULTS

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Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Unbelievable personal attack. This has got to stop!!!!!!
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sheshe2

(86,941 posts)
100. Oh my.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:50 PM
Jun 2016

That was one nasty comment.

Bwahahahaha. We are doing good! Thank you George. 0-7 and a 1-6....

Number23

(24,544 posts)
85. THIS will be Sanders' true legacy to the Democratic Party
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:33 PM
Jun 2016

This and the number of states with caucuses that are now moving to primaries. He should be so, so proud.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
89. "never again welcome non-Democrats into the party to do..........."
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:50 PM
Jun 2016

This damage that you speak of......is that code for deviation from the corporate type Democrats that are currently in charge?

So all you want are corporate clones? Clones who will further convince voters that there is little substantive difference between DLC types and the GOP?

Be careful what you wish for.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
97. YEAH!!!
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:16 PM
Jun 2016

Only people who are BORN as registered Dems are allowed!!!

NEVER let anyone change their mind and join the party. Because that's what ruined it in the first place. I mean Hillary was a Goldwater girl and now she's a Dem. Fuck that. And all the Dems who vote for Republican policies are just great because guess what? They weren't ever not Dems! Yeah!

The time has come to judge people NOT their merits, but according to their label. Fuck substance. ENOUGH WITH PRINCIPLES!!!

WE CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!

GIVE US LABELS OR GIVE US DEATH!!!

.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
98. I assume you are speaking for the party leadership, being an official Team Hill member
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:16 PM
Jun 2016

Inviting the Bush Admin into the party and asking the rest of us to leave is an interesting move. The Bush Admin had to steal two elections to get it due to a sickly but solid 25-30% voter support. Is that the new plan?

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
101. How very astute from a newcomer! Congrats to alienating
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:52 PM
Jun 2016

40-45% of democrats.

The "PARTY" did not expect that Bernie would be
able to wake up the people, especially those under 45 years
of age. However, you are more than willing to lose them by
claiming the same old garbage we heard before: "Where else
can they go?!!"
I got news for you: They won't go your way at all! They will
form a new movement away from your party's policies, and
a lot of independents will join them.

At 29% of all registered voters this idea of yours will be
serving "your" party very well I suppose. I think a lot of younger
people will run for office as independents.

If you have not understood the result in the repug party, you
have missed the mood of the country!

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
113. So does this Dem who re-registered just to vote for the REAL Dem!
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:47 PM
Jun 2016

I left the party when the other Clinton acted like a moderate Republican. And will leave again if the same thing happens.

.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
135. May I see your psychic's credentials?
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:03 AM
Jun 2016

How much do you charge for palm reading?

Do you have neon signs or hand painted outside your apartment? I want to be sure I can find you when I want to hear more made up nonsense.

.

SDJay

(1,089 posts)
107. Fantastic Point...
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:07 PM
Jun 2016

Small tent, stale ideas... that's the way to go for sure. I mean, just look at how membership with the repukes has exploded since they took that approach.

Oy.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
116. Yep. Nader worked out so well.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:08 PM
Jun 2016

And he only pulled 2.5% as a third party candidate.whatcha gonna do with a third party candidate that's pulling 25-30% from the left? Do y'all even think?

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
136. He has HELPED the Dems. He has gotten more people registered to the party who
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:11 AM
Jun 2016

would never have registered as Dem if it had only had a corporate candidate as a viable option.

If you want to know who really hurt the Democrats you can look back to when they embraced the DLC. Guess who did that? Bill Clinton. He invited corporate funding to the party and that is what has hurt the Democrats.

Sanders has invigorated a campaign that would have been as boring as paint drying if Hillary had gotten the nomination just after it got started. Look at the crowds he has generated, how is that hurting Democrats?

The right wing of the party is just going to either get used the the left refusing to be sidelined anymore or they're going to have to get used to having about half the membership it has now because the people are fed up and Bernie has shown we don't need to be beholden to corporate money.

We're sick of that shit and we want the party to go back to its roots, where Bernie is trying to take it. This Third Way/DLC/neo-liberal shit has not only damaged the party - perhaps beyond repair if Hillary is the nominee - but it has damaged our very democracy by compromising the one party that actually used to defend it.

Looks to me like you think Hillary is going to lose somewhere down the line and you're just setting up to blame Bernie and his supporters. You can blame all Hillary's missteps and hubris for any demise she may encounter.

.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
126. Never again let any one into the Dem Party that TELLS THE TRUTH IS FOR THE AVERAGE
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:39 PM
Jun 2016

AMERICAN IS FOR THE RIGHTS OF THE MIDDLE CLASS AND DOES NOT WANT ANY MORE OLIGARCHY NOR ELITE CONTROL OF THE MASSES... Time for the Party to change their ways.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
127. Neither the DNC or the RNC understood the full ramifications of Citizens United.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:46 PM
Jun 2016

Running as an Independent has always been a long shot. But, Citizens United has now made running as an Independent impossible. Both parties should have anticipated Trojan horse candidates for that very reason. The parties should require that a candidate be registered with the party for a minimal amount of time in order to have access to the infrastructure.

Peachhead22

(1,079 posts)
131. You mean kinda like how Trump wants to ban Muslims...
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:28 AM
Jun 2016

...from entering the country?

Inclusiveness and diversity of ideas is a good thing, not a bad thing. Besides, good luck winning elections, if we're going to start driving independents away.

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
134. Ha ha. The only reason they invited him in was because they thought he had no chance.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:51 AM
Jun 2016

It always looks better if there are a number of candidates at the beginning of primary season; you know, to make it all look a little more democratic. The Democratic Party got a big surprise with Bernie Sanders and, unfortunately for them, they gave him a great position from which to organize so many people in this country. If he'd run third party, he wouldn't have gotten to debate and he wouldn't have gotten even the grudging exposure in the mainstream media that he has gotten. Yep, the Democratic Party goofed up and huge numbers of people in this country are very thankful for that! Very thankful.

 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
140. Damage? Sanders has shaken the Democratic party in the most healthy of ways.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:28 AM
Jun 2016

Change even when it is for the best is difficult for some people to take.

Go Bernie!!!!!!!!


Buns_of_Fire

(17,783 posts)
142. I'm thinking that a solemn, tasteful initiation to The Party should be required.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:06 AM
Jun 2016


Along with a certified net worth of at least $5 million. Gotta keep the riff raff out to maintain our Purity of Essence and prevent the contamination of our Precious Bodily Fluids.

karynnj

(59,887 posts)
145. You are not helping HRC unite the party behind her with this
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:35 AM
Jun 2016

What does it say that rather than whole heartedly enjoying the victories of your candidate that you are filled with anger?

No matter how much you hate Sanders and people who support him, you should recognize that HRC needs the very people you are trashing to win. I do not get the need you and several others have not just to defeat Sanders, which was always a near sure thing, but to destroy him.

There may have been a few who were exuberant that with Obama winning the dominance of the Clintons in the Democratic party was over, but that never reached the fever pitch I see now - and that was extreme compared to past contests. I really saw no similar posts blasting Kuchinich for staying in until the 2004 convention.

Part of going to General Election mode, when we do, realistically has to be to heal the divisions in addition to getting behind the candidate. These attacks hurt that effort.

You and others may succeed in driving out the impure Sanders supporters, but consider if you really want to do that. You need their votes AND they might just represent the long term future of the party. Consider that with a very unlikely nominee, a 74 year old democratic socialist they were in the contest up to the last month of contests. It indicates that there is space for a future race from the left.

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Urchin

(248 posts)
153. I bet if Sanders were running as third party candidate
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 04:46 PM
Jun 2016

He'd win the presidency.

I wonder why he wanted to run as a democrat to begin with.

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