Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:20 PM

bravenak (34,648 posts)

No, it doesn't look sexist at all. Uh uh. Nope. Nothing to see here...

Doesn't it though? It kinda does to me. I mean, the first woman to win more delegates and become the presumptive nominee of a major US political party and here we go with the outraged cries of 'fraud', the comparisons to Margaret Thatcher, the lies about coronations and the dumb ass advice to us Hillary voters, that we should wait and find somebody better, nicer, more perfect than our candidate. Somebody more like their candidate. Somebody exactly like their candidate, who is perfect.

So tired of being told that now is not the time, that is not the 'right' woman, this man is better, she is too ambitious, too mean, too loud, too quiet, too hard, too soft, and that if I do not agree then, well, I am just using the ADVANTAGE I have of being born female over them and using my woman card. Makes me sick, ew.

Um, HI! Yes it does look sexist. And the fact that folks sit around trying to tell us what type of woman would be acceptable when we never ever ever ever use a man's masculinity against him in politics should be your first damn clue that it is sexist. And no, I do not care if you are a woman and feel those feelings against her and have the same objections. That you agree just shows how prevalent sexism is in this world.

She is going to be Candidate Hillary running against Donald Trump whether you think she is too tall, too short, to smiley, too stern, too happy, too sad, too bad, too gullible, too sharp, too dull, too bold, too shy. No matter what you think this is just what is going to happen period. Get used to imperfect women being able to do the same exact things as imperfect men. Too many double standards going on and people need to check themselves.

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No, it doesn't look sexist at all. Uh uh. Nope. Nothing to see here... (Original post)	bravenak	Jun 2016	OP
I'm sick of Bernie's arrogance demanding new rules for himself.	CrowCityDem	Jun 2016	#1
Me too. Damn. Something new every damn day.	bravenak	Jun 2016	#3
Democracy isn't fair!	AgingAmerican	Jun 2016	#11
I guess that must be Bernie's position since he's the one arguing against democracy.	Lord Magus	Jun 2016	#54
Good one.	Beacool	Jun 2016	#76
"superdelegate coup"...	dchill	Jun 2016	#202
So it's a "coup" for about half the superdelegates to announce their endorsements early?	Lord Magus	Jun 2016	#210
Hillary would never do such a thing	Omaha Steve	Jun 2016	#134
+1, then saying the same system the long shot black guy won with in 08 is "rigged" for his ass	uponit7771	Jun 2016	#189
Post removed	Post removed	Jun 2016	#2
You are the only one think about that	bravenak	Jun 2016	#5
No jillian, I know this is way out there, but discussing women is not discussing genitals	seabeyond	Jun 2016	#6
I don't base my vote for a candidate based on what body parts they have. I don't base my friends,	jillan	Jun 2016	#8
Nor do Clinton supporters.	PeaceNikki	Jun 2016	#9
You reduced Clinton to a body part. YOU. You reduce her supporters to body parts and voting	seabeyond	Jun 2016	#10
Yes! Why is it that the Sanders campaign thinks that the first woman to ever become the presumptive	skylucy	Jun 2016	#132
and yet you comment this is sexism. Hard to believe Harry.	HERVEPA	Jun 2016	#156
Neither do we. You're welcome.	Starry Messenger	Jun 2016	#13
You sure do seem to base your arguments on it though.	BobbyDrake	Jun 2016	#20
So much negativity from Sanders supporters	Cary	Jun 2016	#213
From start to finish, Clinton has been in the lead. Any man would be called successful. The bar just	seabeyond	Jun 2016	#4
Crystal damn clear	bravenak	Jun 2016	#7
Well put, sea!	mcar	Jun 2016	#116
So true.	skylucy	Jun 2016	#133
Sanders is not man enough	Whimsey	Jun 2016	#163
Yep	GulfCoast66	Jun 2016	#179
+1	uponit7771	Jun 2016	#191
+10000000000	treestar	Jun 2016	#219
From before the start, really, by 355 supers.	nilram	Jun 2016	#228
Sorry. For me she is too right wing, it has nothing to do with gender.	m-lekktor	Jun 2016	#12
That is fine you do not vote for her because of issues. We are talking about the obvious sexism	seabeyond	Jun 2016	#16
There is no sexism	TeddyR	Jun 2016	#29
No excuse. Clinton is kicking ass, perserving, is the fuckin WINNER. To call out the bullshit	seabeyond	Jun 2016	#33
You ignored the point	TeddyR	Jun 2016	#37
People have been pretty damn articulate explaining the sexism to you.	seabeyond	Jun 2016	#45
Ah! Epiphany!	TeddyR	Jun 2016	#68
Simple. A few words, a few sentence. After Tuesday, it is Clinton's nomination.	seabeyond	Jun 2016	#71
That wasn't my question	TeddyR	Jun 2016	#75
So, we redirect the whole conversation of this Op to what YOU want to talk about? No.	seabeyond	Jun 2016	#79
Very informative	TeddyR	Jun 2016	#83
Some others are still waiting also.........	guillaumeb	Jun 2016	#80
Thank you !! Yes! I agree! HILLARY 2016!	skylucy	Jun 2016	#128
Bull	bravenak	Jun 2016	#34
So you think a person	TeddyR	Jun 2016	#40
She is NOT under investigation by the FBI.	apcalc	Jun 2016	#88
Yes. America loves women like Hillary Clinton–as long as they’re not asking for a promotion	PeaceNikki	Jun 2016	#43
So true.	skylucy	Jun 2016	#135
Rather strange article excerpt...	k8conant	Jun 2016	#140
Strange how?	PeaceNikki	Jun 2016	#141
Strange because I don't think it's true...	k8conant	Jun 2016	#143
Concern: duly noted.	PeaceNikki	Jun 2016	#145
The establishment usually has a hard time recognizing oppression of marginalized people	uponit7771	Jun 2016	#192
I just alerted a post that called her a hag	bravenak	Jun 2016	#23
Hillary broke govt rules & lied about it. That's just bad behavior regardless...	think	Jun 2016	#14
She has the vote. She won. She gets the nomination. Sanders behavior is atrocious.	seabeyond	Jun 2016	#19
She won	bravenak	Jun 2016	#24
Great	TeddyR	Jun 2016	#31
Yes it is	bravenak	Jun 2016	#38
Hey Brave, how many times have you heard racism is CURED because Obama was elected? Ever? Nt	seabeyond	Jun 2016	#41
I heard the cure was for us to stfu about it.	bravenak	Jun 2016	#55
Lmfao. Ya. And that. Nt	seabeyond	Jun 2016	#57
The racist argument. There is no racism, Obama became president. Brilliant. A true progressive.	seabeyond	Jun 2016	#39
How does that justify lying and breaking rules?	think	Jun 2016	#46
It says the cries of fraud are bullshit	bravenak	Jun 2016	#47
She hasn't admitted shit. She got called out by the Inspector General and is still lying about it.	think	Jun 2016	#53
I watched her say she'd do it differently. See? Admitted a fault. Unlike some people	bravenak	Jun 2016	#58
Good luck with that...	think	Jun 2016	#78
And the inspector general said she did NOT break any laws.	George II	Jun 2016	#217
Clinton email server broke government rules, watchdog finds	think	Jun 2016	#220
"Rules" are not "laws".	George II	Jun 2016	#221
As an employee of the government are you suppose to follow rules or break them?	think	Jun 2016	#223
We have caught Sanders lying, breaking the rules and possibly laws. I expect your consistency.	seabeyond	Jun 2016	#52
She broke no rules.	apcalc	Jun 2016	#90
Apparently you missed the memo:	think	Jun 2016	#107
Please don't confuse them with facts...	truebrit71	Jun 2016	#131
Hillary breaking rules is a plus for her, she needs to break some more	uponit7771	Jun 2016	#193
She didn't. Period.	George II	Jun 2016	#216
LOL. You keep telling youself that...	think	Jun 2016	#218
How easy it is. Don't like what someone says, claim sexism to avoid discussion	The Straight Story	Jun 2016	#15
Nothing is easy about racism and sexism	Haveadream	Jun 2016	#44
Such things warrant serious discussion. Labeling things sexist because you don't like them	The Straight Story	Jun 2016	#56
The topics of racism and sexism have been discussed seriously	Haveadream	Jun 2016	#70
I think Bernie would be doing the same thing if it were Bill instead of Hill.	aikoaiko	Jun 2016	#17
And we do not believe it. We will never know. What I do know, he has never attacked a man	seabeyond	Jun 2016	#21
I guess its true that we will never know, but he has hard very harsh words for republicans.	aikoaiko	Jun 2016	#77
Nothing compared to how he has talked to or dismissed women thru out. He doesn't	seabeyond	Jun 2016	#82
He didn't criticize those leaders in the party because of their gender, race, or sexual orientation	aikoaiko	Jun 2016	#89
It is ALWAYS women he says something to, but the men that are doing the same? Not so much.	seabeyond	Jun 2016	#95
Ok, maybe someday maybe we'll see and understand each other better,	aikoaiko	Jun 2016	#102
Lol aikoaiko.	seabeyond	Jun 2016	#103
Bucking the establishment or just going on an ego trip?	Lord Magus	Jun 2016	#60
At this point? See that's the thing. Bernie's been very consistent (albeit imperfectly)	aikoaiko	Jun 2016	#69
Here's where he has not been consistent	radical noodle	Jun 2016	#142
Maybe so, but I'd need to look at what Bernie said exactly.	aikoaiko	Jun 2016	#144
So 400+ superdelegates announcing their preference for Hillary before the primaries = bad.	Lord Magus	Jun 2016	#212
I think an argument can be made that in neither case is the will of the people the main issue.	aikoaiko	Jun 2016	#214
It's the campaign contributions stupid...	Whimsey	Jun 2016	#170
Very hard to give that up	bravenak	Jun 2016	#174
I don't know if that is true. Bernie has a pretty sweet life in Burlington.	aikoaiko	Jun 2016	#215
Blind stubbornness is not praiseworthy.	Lord Magus	Jun 2016	#209
Bernie IS the establishment when it serves his purpose	Haveadream	Jun 2016	#105
Excellent post. Thanks. Nt	seabeyond	Jun 2016	#106
Thanks, seabeyond!	Haveadream	Jun 2016	#110
Walking away with this thread!	brer cat	Jun 2016	#124
Well said. nt	sufrommich	Jun 2016	#18
It feels like all of it is coming out right now. Sick!	bravenak	Jun 2016	#30
The woman who won more delegates and votes should relent to a male in 2nd place	Yavin4	Jun 2016	#22
It sure is blatant	bravenak	Jun 2016	#27
The woman	TeddyR	Jun 2016	#32
Yes. Nt	seabeyond	Jun 2016	#35
This.	Starry Messenger	Jun 2016	#36
Yes! Absolutely!	skylucy	Jun 2016	#137
Yup!	Maven	Jun 2016	#158
+1	uponit7771	Jun 2016	#195
One tiny little word of qualification in all this:	guillaumeb	Jun 2016	#25
And I am not saying all of it is sexist	bravenak	Jun 2016	#28
Point. You are sure to draw point that it is SOME. then.... "But to equate all criticism of HRC as"	seabeyond	Jun 2016	#50
K&R nt	ProudProgressiveNow	Jun 2016	#26
What a stupid fucking thread.	BlueStater	Jun 2016	#42
Best thread on du	bravenak	Jun 2016	#49
Yes! Great thread!	skylucy	Jun 2016	#138
Too corrupt	leftinportland	Jun 2016	#48
Show me some criminal charges or you are just saying stuff that sounds bad to you for attention	bravenak	Jun 2016	#51
I'm the last one around here that needs attention...	leftinportland	Jun 2016	#96
Cant tell	bravenak	Jun 2016	#99
She'd be the first woman and Sanders would be the first Jewish guy	Peachhead22	Jun 2016	#59
Well. She will reach her mark by Tuesday and we can move on	bravenak	Jun 2016	#62
Agree that for many, the sexism cannot be ignored, at the same time you have to admit	AuntPatsy	Jun 2016	#61
I don't think anybody is going to please everybody	bravenak	Jun 2016	#63
I agree completely	mcar	Jun 2016	#64
This is almost over!!	bravenak	Jun 2016	#65
The issue is her conservatism on key issues, not her gender.	Ken Burch	Jun 2016	#66
That is not what this thread is about	bravenak	Jun 2016	#67
I'd be interested to see some examples	TeddyR	Jun 2016	#72
Go look for them if you are feeling a desire to see such	bravenak	Jun 2016	#73
So you have none?	TeddyR	Jun 2016	#81
I don't run a link farm or ranch or orchard, even	bravenak	Jun 2016	#84
Very fitting	TeddyR	Jun 2016	#86
Umm hmm	bravenak	Jun 2016	#87
Indeed	mcar	Jun 2016	#122
Seriously	bravenak	Jun 2016	#123
There you go ruining a perfectly good rant with facts....	truebrit71	Jun 2016	#136
Hear, hear!!!!	Beacool	Jun 2016	#74
I resent being called sexist	TheFarseer	Jun 2016	#85
Who wrote your name in this op? Not me.	bravenak	Jun 2016	#94
If you're not talking about Bernie voters	TheFarseer	Jun 2016	#117
The only Thatcher thing I saw came from a Hillary supporter's twitter feed.	Warren DeMontague	Jun 2016	#91
I saw it here and it was hidden	bravenak	Jun 2016	#100
....	Cali_Democrat	Jun 2016	#104
I guess you win, congratulations.	Warren DeMontague	Jun 2016	#111
How is comparing a woman that wants to be POTUS to other woman that have been head of state sexist?	azurnoir	Jun 2016	#203
It IS the right time, and she IS NOT the right woman. And frankly...	cherokeeprogressive	Jun 2016	#92
I don't care if you don't care	bravenak	Jun 2016	#93
Thank you, brave! It is very obvious now that Sanders' feels extremely comfortable in	R B Garr	Jun 2016	#97
Perfect!!!! You said what I feel.	bravenak	Jun 2016	#101
"Moral preening"!	NastyRiffraff	Jun 2016	#108
"Get used to imperfect women being able to do the same exact things as imperfect men."	Il_Coniglietto	Jun 2016	#98
Kinda obvious what is going on here...	bravenak	Jun 2016	#109
Isn't it?	Il_Coniglietto	Jun 2016	#112
I am so glad we can pass the torch from him to her	bravenak	Jun 2016	#113
Yes!! My other favorite mental image is	Il_Coniglietto	Jun 2016	#114
I want a tshirt please	bravenak	Jun 2016	#115
+1	uponit7771	Jun 2016	#196
Post removed	Post removed	Jun 2016	#118
Jury results.	Agnosticsherbet	Jun 2016	#119
Good hide	bravenak	Jun 2016	#120
Yes it was.	Agnosticsherbet	Jun 2016	#121
A very good hide indeed	still_one	Jun 2016	#150
Excellent Hide.. 7-Zip! They have nothing without their disingenuous personal attacks.	Cha	Jun 2016	#159
Total bullshit. I lived through Thatcher and about the only meaningful difference...	truebrit71	Jun 2016	#125
bravenak---THANK YOU!!!!! YES! I speak as another woman who is sick of the double standard!	skylucy	Jun 2016	#126
No prob!!!! This is getting annoying!!	bravenak	Jun 2016	#129
You left out too dishonest, too crooked and too many ties to the Banksters. n/t	brewens	Jun 2016	#127
Nope!!!! Thanks anywayz.	bravenak	Jun 2016	#130
I see how prevalent your sexism is...	k8conant	Jun 2016	#139
None of us Clinton supporters chose our candidate based on sex, either.	PeaceNikki	Jun 2016	#146
Thank you	bravenak	Jun 2016	#147
Your post is quite possibly the most humorous thing I've ever read on this site.	jack_krass	Jun 2016	#171
I think you'd have to be crazy to support Bernie over Hillary if you're a woman and	BreakfastClub	Jun 2016	#160
I understand what you're saying, but I don't agree	k8conant	Jun 2016	#184
I read a lot of adjectives and descriptors	Tragl1	Jun 2016	#148
Well, I'm talkin about these other people	bravenak	Jun 2016	#151
Fair point	Tragl1	Jun 2016	#153
Watch Trump quit the race when he slips down to 35 percent	bravenak	Jun 2016	#154
Honestly	Tragl1	Jun 2016	#155
I think you might be right about that	bravenak	Jun 2016	#157
Too hawkish? Too conservative? Too corrupt? Too Nixonian?	Bad Thoughts	Jun 2016	#149
I was talkin about sexism, not whatever strawman you wanna tear up	bravenak	Jun 2016	#152
You seem to want to attribute any opposition to her to sexism	k8conant	Jun 2016	#185
No. Some of it is rightwing nonsense	bravenak	Jun 2016	#188
None of those labels seem particularly TRUE either. -nt-	Lord Magus	Jun 2016	#222
They are all debatable	Bad Thoughts	Jun 2016	#225
Thank you for this, bravenak.. Hillary is too strong and too smart for all of them. She rises	Cha	Jun 2016	#161
And we rise together	bravenak	Jun 2016	#162
FFS, most these "sexist" hillary haters LOVE Warren? You deny she is a woman? Nt	Logical	Jun 2016	#164
They save the nasty stuff for Hillary	bravenak	Jun 2016	#165
It is not sexist, it is her. Not a great dem. Warren is! Nt	Logical	Jun 2016	#166
I think both are	bravenak	Jun 2016	#167
Yes, they all claim to just LOVE the woman who doesn't have the ambition	pnwmom	Jun 2016	#168
Warren is a real liberal! Hillary is not. All she is is better than trump. Nt	Logical	Jun 2016	#169
bravenak, thank you, thank you, thank you.	pnwmom	Jun 2016	#172
You're welcome...	bravenak	Jun 2016	#173
This is exactly what is happening with the new Ghostbusters trailer as well.	MinnesotaRob	Jun 2016	#175
I disagree	bravenak	Jun 2016	#177
John Stuart Mill	Whimsey	Jun 2016	#176
I need to re read it	bravenak	Jun 2016	#178
Go back and read chapter 3	Whimsey	Jun 2016	#181
Uh huh. Just like claims that the mob helped elect JFK were anti-Catholic. Identical, really, except	merrily	Jun 2016	#180
Huh? What's your point?	Whimsey	Jun 2016	#182
My point is that claims of fraud are not sexist. And JFK never played a victim card when	merrily	Jun 2016	#183
Claims of fraud are also not TRUE.	Lord Magus	Jun 2016	#211
Claims of fraud or fraudulent claims?	Whimsey	Jun 2016	#226
What part of "anti-Catholic" did you misread as "sexist?"	merrily	Jun 2016	#227
I was being purposely obtuse	Whimsey	Jun 2016	#229
Gee, almost every reply I've been getting from Hillary supporters lately flattens a straw man I neve	merrily	Jun 2016	#230
I wonder what Freud would say	Whimsey	Jun 2016	#231
um, o.k.	merrily	Jun 2016	#232
+1, "Get used to imperfect women being able to do the same exact things as imperfect men"	uponit7771	Jun 2016	#186
They better learn to cope	bravenak	Jun 2016	#194
Its going to take a while, all the "other" people running things is going to drive em even battier	uponit7771	Jun 2016	#199
Can't it simply be that Hillary is just too moderate for some of us?	BigBoss26	Jun 2016	#187
I never said all opposition is sexism	bravenak	Jun 2016	#190
You kind of are though. You gave a laundry list of real criticisms and dismissed them all as sexism.	BigBoss26	Jun 2016	#201
K & R	SunSeeker	Jun 2016	#197
Thank you Bravenak!!!!!	all american girl	Jun 2016	#198
Yes. "Get used to imperfect women being able to do the same exact things as imperfect men...	ancianita	Jun 2016	#200
"She is going to be Candidate Hillary running against Donald Trump whether you think ..."	Scuba	Jun 2016	#204
You will have to learn coping skills	bravenak	Jun 2016	#205
I'm not in your way, and as I've posted here many times, I'll hold my nose real tight in November ..	Scuba	Jun 2016	#206
No. The op does NOT say it is only sexism	bravenak	Jun 2016	#207
No, of course not.	Scuba	Jun 2016	#208
Comparing her to Margaret Thatcher = Sexist?	lumberjack_jeff	Jun 2016	#224
Comparing her to Thatcher is completely sexist	realmirage	Jun 2016	#233
No, I don't. nt	lumberjack_jeff	Jun 2016	#234
"Perfect" was never a concern.	Orsino	Jun 2016	#235
This part was a mic drop	bravenak	Jun 2016	#236
I do think Hillary Clinton became a contender in spite of every cultural barrier...	Orsino	Jun 2016	#237
There is a difference between a PERSON that is thought to be crooked and too right leaning. Just	Seeinghope	Jun 2016	#238

Response to bravenak (Original post)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:22 PM

CrowCityDem (2,348 posts)

No, it doesn't look sexist at all. Uh uh. Nope. Nothing to see here...

1. I'm sick of Bernie's arrogance demanding new rules for himself.

3. Me too. Damn. Something new every damn day.

11. Democracy isn't fair!

54. I guess that must be Bernie's position since he's the one arguing against democracy.

76. Good one.

202. "superdelegate coup"...

210. So it's a "coup" for about half the superdelegates to announce their endorsements early?

134. Hillary would never do such a thing

189. +1, then saying the same system the long shot black guy won with in 08 is "rigged" for his ass

5. You are the only one think about that

6. No jillian, I know this is way out there, but discussing women is not discussing genitals

8. I don't base my vote for a candidate based on what body parts they have. I don't base my friends,

9. Nor do Clinton supporters.

10. You reduced Clinton to a body part. YOU. You reduce her supporters to body parts and voting

132. Yes! Why is it that the Sanders campaign thinks that the first woman to ever become the presumptive

156. and yet you comment this is sexism. Hard to believe Harry.

13. Neither do we. You're welcome.

20. You sure do seem to base your arguments on it though.

213. So much negativity from Sanders supporters

4. From start to finish, Clinton has been in the lead. Any man would be called successful. The bar just

7. Crystal damn clear

116. Well put, sea!

133. So true.

163. Sanders is not man enough

179. Yep

191. +1

219. +10000000000

228. From before the start, really, by 355 supers.

12. Sorry. For me she is too right wing, it has nothing to do with gender.

16. That is fine you do not vote for her because of issues. We are talking about the obvious sexism

29. There is no sexism

33. No excuse. Clinton is kicking ass, perserving, is the fuckin WINNER. To call out the bullshit

37. You ignored the point

45. People have been pretty damn articulate explaining the sexism to you.

68. Ah! Epiphany!

71. Simple. A few words, a few sentence. After Tuesday, it is Clinton's nomination.

75. That wasn't my question

79. So, we redirect the whole conversation of this Op to what YOU want to talk about? No.

83. Very informative

80. Some others are still waiting also.........

128. Thank you !! Yes! I agree! HILLARY 2016!

34. Bull

40. So you think a person

88. She is NOT under investigation by the FBI.

43. Yes. America loves women like Hillary Clinton–as long as they’re not asking for a promotion

135. So true.

140. Rather strange article excerpt...

141. Strange how?

143. Strange because I don't think it's true...

145. Concern: duly noted.

192. The establishment usually has a hard time recognizing oppression of marginalized people

23. I just alerted a post that called her a hag

14. Hillary broke govt rules & lied about it. That's just bad behavior regardless...

19. She has the vote. She won. She gets the nomination. Sanders behavior is atrocious.

24. She won

31. Great

38. Yes it is

41. Hey Brave, how many times have you heard racism is CURED because Obama was elected? Ever? Nt

55. I heard the cure was for us to stfu about it.

57. Lmfao. Ya. And that. Nt

39. The racist argument. There is no racism, Obama became president. Brilliant. A true progressive.

46. How does that justify lying and breaking rules?

47. It says the cries of fraud are bullshit

53. She hasn't admitted shit. She got called out by the Inspector General and is still lying about it.

58. I watched her say she'd do it differently. See? Admitted a fault. Unlike some people

78. Good luck with that...

217. And the inspector general said she did NOT break any laws.

220. Clinton email server broke government rules, watchdog finds

221. "Rules" are not "laws".

223. As an employee of the government are you suppose to follow rules or break them?

52. We have caught Sanders lying, breaking the rules and possibly laws. I expect your consistency.

90. She broke no rules.

107. Apparently you missed the memo:

131. Please don't confuse them with facts...

193. Hillary breaking rules is a plus for her, she needs to break some more

216. She didn't. Period.

218. LOL. You keep telling youself that...

15. How easy it is. Don't like what someone says, claim sexism to avoid discussion

44. Nothing is easy about racism and sexism