2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf you lie about me and others concerning our motivations
which are genuine and from the heart because we want to improve the lives and experiences of everyone in this country, your chances of winning my vote should your candidate win are slim to none. To lie about the very essence of someone and their heart is an assault on their soul. I wish you all a great evening.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)MFM008
(19,803 posts)you would consider voting for HRC ? Probably not. As far as accusations ,im accused of taking money from David Brock.
So we have our crosses to bear.
Kentonio
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GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)it has eroded the credibility of REAL Hillary supporters.
http://usuncut.com/politics/clinton-super-pac-busted/
SpareribSP
(325 posts)But just reflecting on it, it's not even like that. The David Brock attack is because you have a candidate who blatantly propagandizes, and they deliberately muddied the waters themselves in a way that's not okay and needs to be pushed back against. You're just simply wrong here.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)The biggest and most frequent lie by far is that that is not true.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)then you are supporting the wrong candidate. The differences could not be more stark.
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)ideals are all old, well established liberal Democrat ideals. Nothing new at all. During a period of transition from conservative ascendance to liberal, Bernie is really different only in that he (very unrealistically) promises to be able to do more of what Hillary intends faster than she believes we can accomplish.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)But where you are incorrect is that Hillary and Bernie are fighting for the same things.
She's not going to take on Wall Street, which is our biggest problem. She's not going to try to overturn Citizen's United. She's a warhawk. She's not going to try for single-payer health care.
Hillary is Third Way/DLC. Bill Clinton embraced the DLC way of turning to corporate funding for the party and that is a fundamental difference between Bernie and Hillary. As you said, "Bernie's ideals are all old, well established liberal Democrat ideals". Unfortunately, Hillary's ideals are Third Way/DLC ideals and far from the "old, well established liberal Democrat ideals". Her stances are moderate Republican stances. Just like Obama, and he admitted that, he called himself a "moderate Republican". You simply cannot be fighting for the same things when one is beholden to the very entity the other is fighting against.
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What he said...
qdouble
(891 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I honestly don't care who you guys vote for in the general election.
Vote for a ham sandwich if you want to.
I don't care.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)And for this not to make it to convention. I smell terror yet again, and the arguments are laughable. We're all sexists again, and don't appreciate how Hillary is exactly what we are looking for.
Tarc
(10,472 posts)The Bernie or Busters are an insignificant minority. The bulk of the Sanders voters across the country will vote D in the fall.
It's a hard pill to swallow, but you just aren't the core/base of the party that you think you are.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)bigtree
(85,971 posts)...just love these posts which suppose Sanders support is virtuous and all others trying to keep all of that down.
Every Clinton voter carries their own hopes and reams for the future into the voting booth. The opposition to them has been full of lies and insult: "low-information voter, establishment, Brock, etc."
Your camp is a victim of less support. That's it. There are enough hurt feeling in this election to go around. Don't suppose all the vitriol and invective is directed just at you.