I'm steaming right now and I should know better.

[passiveporcupine]

I'm seeing threads in both the Hill group and GDP about the closing of poll locations in Puerto Rico being because Sanders asked for it, and what a hardship it was going to be for Hillary. No links to back this up, of course.

No...He was complaining because the poll locations were cut a month before he even said anything about it (if closing polling places there hurts Hillary...who is favored...it only hurts Bernie more), as well as complaining about some other very sketchy things that happened in prison voting, etc. He did not get them closed, nor was he even aware of them being closed when that decision was made..

Stop believing everything you see when it comes from questionable sources but favors your bias...like stories coming from the leader of the DNC in Puerto Rico, (who just happened, BTW, to advertise to Puerto Rican's before the primary to vote Hillary, not Bernie, and that is not supposed to happen), and places like The Hill.

[reformist2]

1. I believed it for all of 10 seconds. Then I learned it was yet *another* DNC smear job. Sick.

I am so done with them. They all need to be swept out of office, starting with DWS.

[apcalc]

11. Not the DNC. The report came from MSNBC.

[TwilightZone]

17. It's not the DNC. It's Puerto Rico's Democratic Party.

Per @tonydokoupil, Puerto Rico's Democratic Party is blaming Sanders's campaign for long lines & confusion today:

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/739610752470921216

[passiveporcupine]

30. and who is this tony guy?

He did not provide a link to this either.

And from what I read it was the elections committee decision, not the DNC, or Hillary or Bernie.

[msongs]

2. every bernie win should be investigated for fraud. after all according to his crowd there is a lot

of it about these days.

[upaloopa]

3. You mean stop believing that Bernie is anything buy a saint. Sorry that train left the station long

ago. It left when his campaign broke into Hillary voter files then sued the DNC.

[Android3.14]

12. Just thought I'd leave my sig here.

Seemed like a good place.

[amborin]

40. Bernie and the campaign never did that; more HRC smears

[Ned_Devine]

4. We're in hostile territory on this board and it's more apparent every day

[amborin]

42. anything is acceptable, as long as the corrupt

neo-liberal NeoCon lying one is nominated

[onecaliberal]

50. ^^^That^^^

[Scootaloo]

5. But party unity!

[DebDoo]

6. Another "lie now, cover up/apologize after the damage is done".

[amborin]

43. ^^this^^

[joshcryer]

7. Why would the PR chairwoman lie?

[joshcryer]

34. Lisa Ortiz.

May the witch hunt commence. Points if she supports Clinton.

I hope there's a paper trail.

[passiveporcupine]

21. Do you even have a link to this?

I sure haven't found one yet. So how do you know who said what?

[joshcryer]

29. Saw on Twitter:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Flora_Lola_NYC/status/739620196109963264/photo/1

I'm on mobile or I'd find the original source (transcribe it and search).

[passiveporcupine]

32. a twitter post with no link to prove it

Pfffft

[joshcryer]

36. ???

[joshcryer]

58. Relevance?

The Sanders campaign isn't denying it.

[apcalc]

8. The report came from MSNBC.

[bravenak]

9. Everybody else is always lying

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. Actually the Hill ran that story yesterday

about people not getting certified

Myself, I have some notes to take, the lie is already implanted. I feel like I am wasting my time even voting at this point, I owe it to the workers, so I will... but seriously, we are in a fucking oligarchy.

[Hydra]

19. Vote so you can show other people it makes no difference

That's what I do, and had so many people not gotten out there and made noise this campaign season, we would have thought Hillary was what everyone wanted.

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. Well that is the atittude at 18 in Mexico City

[Hydra]

14. It was another Brock coordination

Feel free to steam- it's disgusting to watch straight propaganda being catapulted. But that's what Team Hill does, and why we don't want them in the WH.

[TwilightZone]

15. Questionable sources, like the Puerto Rico Democratic Party?

"Per @tonydokoupil, Puerto Rico's Democratic Party is blaming Sanders's campaign for long lines & confusion today:"

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/739610752470921216

[mmonk]

26. So what you are saying is that Bernie Sanders controls

the Democratic Party in Puerto Rico?

[choie]

65. if the Dem Party in Puerto Rico screwed up..

of course they'd want to deflect the blame onto Bernie. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

[pmorlan1]

16. I am too

I'm not going to post anything more about this subject tonight because I'm afraid of what I might say.

[Garrett78]

18. Regardless of why polls were closed...

...it hurts Clinton more. Just as long lines in urban areas hurts Clinton more.

Polls get closed for economic reasons. There simply aren't enough people or funds to have open as many polls as places would like to have open.

The candidate who does better in high population areas (whether it's in Puerto Rico or Phoenix or New York City or wherever) will be hurt more by closures. The suggestions prior to today that Clinton is helped by such closures is completely illogical.

[LoverOfLiberty]

23. Don't you dare

try to confuse us with reality. We like living in our bubble that tells us that if Sanders didn't win it was because someone somewhere cheated.

[Garrett78]

38. Sorry, but I'm addicted to reality.

No matter how much nonsense I read on this site (and I've read a lot over the last few months), I just can't kick the reality-based thinking habit.

[grossproffit]

41. +1 Very funny.

[TDale313]

20. So over this shit.

[Doctor Jack]

22. I have another explanation

[GulfCoast66]

24. OMG

Flipping out because your team is being accused of election 'irregularities'?

See how it feels? Bernie supporters ( not saying you) have been doing it every time he loses. Including PR!

[passiveporcupine]

39. absolutely no evidence he even talked to their elections committee a month ago.

None...zilch. It's on the words of one guy on titter with no proof offered.

[GulfCoast66]

46. I do not think he(meaning the campaign) cheated

Just like there is no evidence Hillary has. How many ethics complaints has Bernie filed? But with every win she had there are the whiners saying she cheated.

It is just humorous seeing the shoe on the other foot.

[passiveporcupine]

48. I get it, but in the other cases there was evidence of fraud often recorded and investigated.

And trying to disenfranchise voting is anathema to Bernie. I just can't see this happening.

YMMV

[GulfCoast66]

49. Recorded and investigated?

And the result of those records and investigations?'

If you give up the fraud argument then there is no logical reason to deny that Hillary will be the nominee.

When our President endorses her next week what will the Bernie supporters do?

[MinnesotaRob]

62. Or exposed and covered up, cc Chicago Board of Elections

[GulfCoast66]

63. So

Our President is in on the fix? Because he has knowledge of pretty whatever he wants. And will endorse her next week.

[Cheese Sandwich]

27. They are outright liars.

Hillary has run a dirty lying cheating campaign from day one.

[bigtree]

28. what the hell is your own source?

...so quick to denounce the word of people on the ground in PR.

We're supposed to believe the word of someone here making post after post running Hillary down, instead?

[Tarc]

31. So you complain of stories with no links (even though there are)

with a threads that contains...no links?

[Cheese Sandwich]

33. Their coordinated talking points are pure lies that only a complete idiot would believe.

Bernie Sanders is in no position of authority to make the Puerto Rico Democratic Party do anything.

On the other hand it is totally believable that they might just make some shit up to smear him, or to distract from some other scandal.

Don't let the internet liars and bullies get you down.

[brewens]

35. "It's being reported" has always worked on the half-wits. It's how FOX "News" operates.

So now that it's out there and "being reported" that's a good as a reliable source and itself news. Next step. Repeat over and over, the stupider they are, the more it works.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. The quote is from Liza Ortiz, National Committeewoman of the Democratic Party of Puerto Rico:

Per @tonydokoupil, Puerto Rico's Democratic Party is blaming Sanders's campaign for long lines & confusion today:







https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/739610752470921216

[Gothmog]

44. Thank you for posting some facts on this thread

[passiveporcupine]

47. This decision was made by the elections committee,

not the democratic party. I don't trust anything coming from the democratic party or MSNBC journalist, both in the tank for Hillary.

Give me a link to an unbiased source quoting the elections committee backing this up. Why would they close that many polling places, knowing the hardship it would cause, based on the request of the supposed 'loser' in the race?

Give me a break!

[passiveporcupine]

45. OK, just found out who this guy is

Tony does not work for the elections committee, who made that decision, but he does work for MSNBC, who is in the tank for Hillary, along with the democratic party committee woman Liza Ortiz whom he claims to be quoting.

Anyone surprised? I didn't think so.

[tandem5]

51. So you're upset by unsubstantiated claims that reflect poorly on the candidate that you support?

[passiveporcupine]

54. Give me one good reason why I should believe anything coming from the DNC or party

remember what Debbie said about the Nevada caucus...Bernie is responsible for the violence. You know...the chair throwing?

Give me a break.

[MinnesotaRob]

52. This is a swiftboating...

Deflect criticism of your own misdeeds by accusing your opponent of doing the same. Even as shady as our election system is, the idea that anybody could believe for a second that a candidate in an election could simply ask for the closing of 75% of the polls and they would comply, without even notifying the other candidates, is just beyond comprehension. It makes absolutely no sense, none at all. It doesn't make sense that Bernie would even ask for this, it makes even less sense that they would comply.

What does make sense is that this will now tarnish the real reports of suppression and fraud in PR as well as upcoming primaries. It will conveniently dominate the news tomorrow which happens to be the day before a huge primary that is slipping through Hillary's fingers. HRC doesn't care about the PR delegates specifically, but she does care about Cali, and she does care about taking the wind out of Bernie's sails before Tuesday, the timing is not a coincidence. This makes sense, definitely much more sense than the smear which, as is being reported, is completely illogical. There are no coincidences in politics.

[Lars39]

53. Totally agree!

[passiveporcupine]

56. You hit it!

Absolutely!

thanks

[merrily]

55. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280204748

[passiveporcupine]

59. Yes, I know you are right Merrily

I have most definitely not been laughing enough lately.

[Sheepshank]

64. Keep looking, there are indeed links and quotes provided

But while you are looking around, please answer me this....
....just how big is the prison population in PR?
....of the prison population, how many are voting?
....How many of the voting prison population are BS supporters?
....How many would have been Hillary supporters?
....And finally, does the prison population vote generally in line with the rest of the population or are they more likely to vote en Masse for Bernie?

Brittle, sad, manufactured poutrage.